191_Yardley-Jonathan_Heritage.mp3

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11.03.2023

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Unknown Speaker 0:44
Couple of comments on what Duncan just said, yes, I've been on the island, actually 29 years, November the second last year. During that time, I've looked at many of the theories on Saltspring. One word here, I had something to do with these additions on this here, a little recess for Margaret Cummings piano, if you recall. What I want to talk about it's, I'm saying heritage of risk. And I think I think what that means is that we tend to view buildings as being disposable, that we can just get a new model next year and trade up. My feeling is that that is not a sustainable way to go. But one should be looking at buildings for the long term, to look to renovate who to debate them, to make them last a long, long time. And there's no reason why they shouldn't, even on a day like this when it's boring. And we have the materials we use here, which apps would which rocks, so the technique has to keep.

Unknown Speaker 2:00
Yeah, 10 years ago, I was at the same place today I gave a presentation to you call recordings called Change landscape, little buildings. And today, what I want to talk about is more changed to a lot of those disabilities. My concern is not necessarily the important architectural, or historic buildings, but rather the more mundane, ordinary buildings that are used by people all the time, not necessarily halls, or churches or schools, houses as well. I'd like to show a series of slides to begin with. To illustrate some of my concerns and some of my delights of the rich heritage that we do have on Salt Spring, I get to divide these slides into four groups. The first group will be my favorite buildings, and you'll see the eclectic range of ones you'll say, I don't like that, or I do like that. And you'll say, Well, why hasn't You said so? Well, when I got to 150 slides, it's too much. So that's the first thing I want to look at. It's just a glimpse of sorts. The second one is to look very briefly at some buildings that have gone I got some before and after photograph, which is interesting. Recall what was here. And thirdly, to look at some buildings which are at risk, ones that are unused, potentially, to be demolished. Have no use in the city. And thirdly, or fourthly, I should say to look at buildings that have been adapted, and reuse because I think that's what we have to do when we look at like this building is cinema. Five days a week. You guys it's for other things. We've added kitchens, washrooms, all those other things that weren't here. So after I've gone through the slides, I will then talk about perhaps more political thing of how to set up a heritage Advisory Commission. What do we do about building inventories? And how does the trust trust get involved in that? So I will show you some pictures

Unknown Speaker 4:19
if I make a comment, I get the wrong day. Bear with me. You're gonna probably know more about

Unknown Speaker 4:31
that because I myself and I will start to south and Michael overs this way. This is basically north. So we start at the bottom, which, you know, one of my favorite places is Rucker Park. And what I like about this place is actually is the way it is the buildings are set in the landscape. Here we have from right to left, and we record farmhouse that's the second building and Then we come across, excuse me, I press that I shouldn't have done that. So we've got the Henry Rockwell farm, which is this group of buildings here. We've got the Daniel Russell farm, which is this group of buildings here. And these are sort of sitting on the south side of the valley. On the other side of the valley is probably the best known building on Salzburg. Probably the Alfred Russel house 1907 Beautiful Gemma, the little building still, as we know, lived in and used. The picture is 1000 words I won't go on about this building, but I really liked this building. But the one I like thought of in a strange way, is sorry, I should talk about you've probably all been in this house and seen the beautiful cherry wood handrail to the stairs here. This is you know, cherry bark, which is peeled off and underneath is another bark, and this is varnished beautiful craftsmanship in this house. But outside the afrotropical house, is this little shed in the background. And I like this, this is one of my gems. It has double bullnose siding on it some nice six pane, sash windows, cedar shingles, and galvanized strip on the hips. Lovely little building reminds me very much of the next little building, which is this one, which is the milk house in the Henry Russell farm. This is going to be 12. This has taken a few years ago, so rather bad repair. Luckily, we were able through a BC parks do restoration of eight buildings in the park and this is one of them. And this is what it looks like today. So it's quite a transformation. I apologize, my slides. They're not the hardest slides, but they show the buildings. Behind this as who knows the forge this is the 1818 85 for Forge. So I moved to the Daniel ruckle farm the back there's this little building and I didn't know what it was until quite until we said last week we store the apples, some apple storage ship was a few years ago had no roof. All the siding gone around the sides, the windows are gone. So that has been restored and the door has been left. That's the way the door was we've just straightened it a bit. So it actually closes and refurbish the windows, we put some wooden gutters on here hair, and we use the original galvanized down pipes. Again, it's a little building, which I think is very pretty nice shape. Here's one that sort of was on its way down. This is the Peavine house. Probably many of you know data if you don't. Sure. You know, if you met him we do. David's lived here since about 76, something like that. And this was Bernie was getting into quite a poor state of repair with the logs here. The porch here. We look more detail at the other side beam twos here. And the condition of this and the question was how do you deal with this? How do you prepare this? It is possible if you do it once a time. And that's what we did. We took the locks out the broken ones one at a time and put new locks and this was sourced from the property from Rucker Park for logs. And then we put new chinking in and that's that call you saw before. And this is the outside one view the new porch put on and from the other side. This building has been changed over the years. These windows are not original day for this one. This came from the Bank of Montreal and Ganges going back a long time. So I'm going to move a little further from there. We're going to go a little further because I would say north but you have to know this one is well. The beaver pond school. I've been involved with this since about 78 When we did new foundations on the building and it became back into use as a preschool. What I like about this just the sort of things I'm not even going to go through the initials who they are. I think I got them all so you know When you're restoring a building have to be careful where you stop. And what you leave. Now somebody say, well, the siding is gone. We should take all the Saudis off and put new but no, it's okay. You can leave it. This is after the restoration we did in Sunday, Sunday nine, Andrew Stevens opened, reopen the building. And hand painted that many, many years ago. Next door to be, as we call it, The Little Red Schoolhouse is even upon community hall. From the 20s and 30s. Disability I want to talk about a little further on when I talk about use of buildings. But again, it's a it's a real landmark when you come down to see the school and see the whole where's this Morningside road? In fourth village? Used to be my understanding the correct correct is electricians appliance repair shop here. So tucked in behind the cedar tree, still, you know, you'd say with this building, if you can call it a building, would you say is this heritage? And I would say yes, because of the probably the cultural connections between the community and the people that use this. We're not talking about architecture or anything like that, that is irrelevant to this case. And again, I'll get I'll get to talk about how you define a heritage building what makes up the components of that. I said it was eclectic. So there was one little building I like this one. This was taken about 15 years ago, and it just been redone. We removed and painted new foundations under it. And that was taken same time. But if you took a photograph last Wednesday picked up a photograph last Friday, you'd see the shingles and shakes going here, the shingles so we can go back, we'll see what I mean. So this is the same area that's pointing out before, see how it goes from that. To that it's peeling off. It's that on the south side is getting a lot of exposure. With our buildings here, particularly in the west coast in the world, and we have to maintain we can't just build the building. And that's with any building modern world. This is the acumen bomb probably about 1865 Because they built their travels with making 65 Beautiful little bond with your very large log. Some of these logs are about 24 inch diameter. Very big compared with the Peavine which are about eight nine inch diameter. Big substantial building this little bill I don't even have the name of this one. Okay, one of my favorites

Unknown Speaker 13:10
it's all it hasn't it hasn't changed. And I love this little branding as well. This is all in the forefront Valley which a lot of people drive down and I also keep my head crane to one side looking at the buildings and looking at the road sometimes that's been redone this new siding is the neutral new roof This is jives houses to to left there were three this is one of them in removed I think about 10 years ago, a new roof was put on that one the next door that one was one which is in a worse condition. This is I was called to the owner when it was standing like that they'd have it raised up and the contract was disappear and said what do we do with that? Well we'd have to reach down on the ground on some good foundations and straighten it up and repair it and fix the inside so that's it afterwards. Then I think they sold it and then it got me painted different colors. So it was last week. Still minor but still doing a good job

Unknown Speaker 14:40
further, we've gone off the Ganges road and down to the going back to the Maxwell farm and this is the 1901 barnel Ribs hello it's yes it's a root cellar rather than a barn it is the back end of the wall. It's right up against the dirt, which you can see underneath the metal roof, which had been put on many years ago, the original cedar shingles underneath here. This is stone with brick corners, we don't see it in this photograph, but some lovely Windows remains of the 19 windows, three little ones, top three at the bottom, low, one side, the big one in the middle. But I'm fascinated by the one next door. The one with this battle roof, the bomb with the board and batten siding. And it's all plinth of brick and stone under the BCP parks are looking at both these buildings as we speak. I've looked at them for them. And then the process of doing some stabilization work to stop further rot on these two buildings, which I think is further down there is Mount Maxwell and there is a big bomb below it. We're going I call it a goin bomb. What do you call it probably hasn't made this lovely, big gamble roof, big space. But the part I like is the milking parlor along the side here with this great range, right way down there and the manure track. Circling around here, obviously you come out when you're more or less where I'm standing, I think. But it's it's lovely down here. This side along here this is in very poor shape. You see we've got it propped up on some two by sixes here. The original posts have gone, this foundation has gone along here undermine this call and this is right at the corner, this is gone. So I think what we're doing there is going to go and put a a temporary wall supporting the ceiling at this point down onto the concrete here just as a temporary way so it doesn't collapse. This is next door to this has been the little milk show when he took the milk before it was winter went off on the car. I like it. I tend to like it's not my favorite group of three bombs. This is a photograph taken a few years back because it now has a red metal roof. We can't even say I think taken care of this and there's new roof on here. Which is really good. What that does is it preserves the structure underneath. That's really important thing as you can see that was in quite a bad steak. This was all that inside, it's still nicely protected. That's the same bar. Again some nice lug work now a different kinds of Johnson corners than the other buildings we're looking at. So we come further north we're now in Ganges. Just a few little things here. I believe they'll turn our office and the Romans next to each other. That's this is the beautiful Ganges all these little buildings. This is the one on the corner of Rainbow Road. Dr. Jarman used to live here. And a pair for that now called coastal currents or something I think I love the porch with this shape and this shape here and the cutter hips here. Nice little bit mysterious, but I could come in so that those are the buildings I like. I like them all but these are some of my favorites. And then we're gonna look at some other things of buildings that have gone. Now, this is down in Brookfield park again, this is when you look I'll show you the next slide we will come back to this but this was the dairy and it was located right here. behind the fence. This is the heavy rock which by the way, museum. Any ideas about that? If you look at this photograph, you'll see this tree with this branch with their back century but there's this building here. I was employed engaged by BC parks to do a study of all the buildings in 79 and when I went there all maintenance was a pile of lumber on the ground here so that's been gone some time for Also another one there it was a root cellar and I'll come back to this drawing. That's what I saw was this pile of lumber here and this is the entrance you see the stone here, stone here and the doorway would be in here into the back these beams across them there's actually a pitch roof above it. So by deduction seeing what's on the side that's what I came up to work out what that building was like that since 79 It's changed from this. To this it's slowly disappearing. That is the same tree we saw before up here. And then that was last week. It's gone. There is a slight story that you can see this chart material in fact one of the contractors gets in here look at this one down Can you tell me about this 1920 about that and it

Unknown Speaker 21:11
actually disappeared twice burned down once the rebuild either during the Reconstruction or shortly after they blew

Unknown Speaker 21:23
up the tree that would be coming out of the tub. And here's the water to the Hepburn house which is back here. This was taken a few years ago because now you'll see on another slide actually is connection between the two which is currently so that's another one that's gone. This the bigger one is the Maxwell bomb just near that root cellar we were looking at I had a did a study for them for text data not texting the last text text data before the prince and his crew because they had joined the snowstorm in that ad for quite a big one last big one had this link to part of the bomb collapse and they were concerned about the stability of this bar. I looked at him it was possible to stabilize it wasn't beyond repair. This in reasonable shape you can see the only place it was actually sagging this right here is porn. But for safety reasons they did this they actually just demolished when this this corner here is sorry

Unknown Speaker 22:43
this corner is his school doors and ways through to the lower level this leads to from the other bar from the main bar. So that's basically what's left today that's inside you see it's char they face the rest of it. That's Max. It's part of a Maxwell farm. Growing stoneworks first of all

Unknown Speaker 23:25
this is in Ganges. It used to call it was used as the Ganges crests and the kidnapper in a few other things and it's now a parking lot taken out great shame because you will see underneath it was covered with stucco but underneath this beautiful channel siding underneath said see the boards underneath the black paper. Nice six panel door I think it's a great shame. It had used it as we know this one. Travelers rose the oldest building in the Gulf Islands and also taking 65 I have a little story about this one. This photograph was taken that was taken last week. I just want to see the difference. And when you when you stand back on the road you don't really see the difference from what it was about six years ago if if I was able to get in and take a photograph of this which I can't you wouldn't see what I'm looking at now because this lien to kitchen bathroom at the back to this point here has been demolished. There's a concrete foundation more or less where my black line is for another house Australia. There is a demolition permit in place on this building to the owner. I sort of contacted the building inspector found out permission to demolish and yes there's demolition. Um, which which brings me to that point about, you know, how does one protect this building, I think is, is extremely important because of this age, we will still embryos building in the Gulf Islands. And as you can see in this little photograph here, it's actually a long building covered with cedar shingles slug building up to the top of the first floor. You see the logs on the corner, big lumps. This is the same age as the barn, we looked at a little barn with the big locks. Again, people will look at buildings like this and say, well, they are. It's all a matter of, I think how you approach it and what you think about what that means. I think anything is repairable. It's just Are you prepared to do it? Apparently nipple brothers didn't do a rotation on this building. And apparently this is hearsay that the owners plan to move it and use it somewhere else. They're not talking about I find this very sad and unfortunate because it has the potential to go back to its original use. There is a bed and breakfast Travelers Rest. Here's your first one on the island. Here's another 150 years later. Number one, the Phillips cabin on Cushing Lake Road was built it was an open forest, open meadow and it's built. I took this last week. The windows are there behind the behind the plywood. Little old lock building about go ahead a date on it at night. There was a little story this one is about this sort of monster about Joe the dark

Unknown Speaker 27:01
1930 group from HMS acorn on the property here and they were telling cutting up firewood.

Unknown Speaker 27:12
The word fell and killed the dog. So they buried the dog. And this gallery is made of cheap wood. So that's why it's still there. And that was the last Friday. Just by the road. This is crucially like no right now.

Unknown Speaker 27:32
So there's those two buildings at risk, just a few. And I like to look at alterations, changes, additions and how you keep buildings being used. This is just a view of Ganges just for fun, because it shows changes and shows that most of these trees are gone, right? These villages that something hit or something here, it's gonna be here on weekends. But what it does show it shows the little koi area here, the commercial area, and it shows basically the residential area here. Saltspring own trading company. Final building, I think this to my mind slipped through the process. In so much as most of the heritage features of this building have gone, the windows will be replaced with aluminum. The siding has all been replaced. They kept the chimney they actually kept the chimney that replaced the roof. So that's what you get. But when you look at the difference that this it's it's different. It's not the same. No, they've tried to sort of replicate it to a certain extent. But there really isn't anything original that maybe some of the framing inside the wall, all these when all this lower areas New Orleans, this this addition is new. I don't have too many qualms about the addition because at least it's subservient to the main building. But there's no distinction between you know, this been different from that it's all the same color, all the same windows, everything that was on the design panel when this project came through, we actually turned it down. The trustees could not turn down the development. But having said that, at least the building is here and being used. Gracious about this. And another one of the most buildings, this is the warehouse which I think is a great read, no reuse of the building. It's basically warehouse building. They're keeping some warehousing on the second pool here and completing the low level of stores and shops and retail space. The main building itself here has again been much changed the windows that they were vertical wood sashes now aluminum siding originally was conventional channel siding. It's actually not asbestos cement shingles, which was a popular thing about 30 years fact the house that I live in has them on. And my quandary has to take them off because they're not original. They're staying at the mind. And there's no there's nothing wrong with that is protecting what's underneath the porches around this building, I would suggest again, a probably added on that them in the building work. This is interesting to remember what the can is to apply for that everything is the box now it's about this stuff that's reused for the modern building. The Governability now called the core and this is before the walls are redone, the roof was changed to a metal roof. windows replaced. This building was a difficult one because it had so many changes to it. We couldn't take it back to its original life. This was an open porch here. This wasn't close. This wasn't enclosed. But the other reason for this photograph is actually the building next door. Again, Maggie Ramsey and Jake Ward earn this sort of building, they have their health clinic in there. It's still got all the original boardings, original floors, original shingles on the outside, they've changed to a metal roof. It's quite an attractive. There's a lot to be gained us. And I think we should be kept as the other side of the Governability. What do we do about this one? Do you all know where this is? So you know, I sort of was quite pleased when I saw they painted the house up and they fixed the house. And I thought well, that's because they're going to keep it you know, sitting up on the hill here look really nice as you come from Ganges. But it's a sense of scale and massing, I think is sort of destroyed. No, it's destroyed this building. And the way it connects here, it's been sort of covered up. You know, if they'd left a gap from here to here, you know, this, this is their main building here, this, I think it's the swimming pool or something I'm not quite sure what it is, and will be the Fed left that open or a very lonely, it would have been better. And again, if one had a heritage Advisory Commission, one will be able to voice one's opinion about that. Moving around a little long, again, back to Ganges harbour, the chain of islands. And what I'm looking at is this property here Hastings house 30 acres of waterfront which I worked on, starting in 1980, doing renovations and new buildings. For the total crosses at that time, I just want to look at two buildings there very, very quickly to show you something before which is the bar and after it's just the bar this is replication because actually the intent was to use this building and to renovate it and use it have gone too far. So it's actually rebuild to the same profile let's get outside of Mr. Hastings house is just down the driveway on the left hand side. That's basically the same view as this. Go from that to that

Unknown Speaker 34:07
same maps a lot of TLC tender loving care has gone into this building over the years. This has taken about 10 years ago, since since that time, it's been rerouted and repainted and new foundations put into it. This next one will see the new roof slightly different colored roof this is the sort of it's an Smashville shingles made to look like wooden shingles. But one thing they've done here which is a difficult thing when you're trying to protect windows. The glare you get off this is a piece of plexiglass you can see where it stops there to protect the stained glass windows. It can be done and most are feeling if you put it in a separate frame so it looks like a frame on there. It might aesthetically work better than just a flat sheet material across the notice walking around the building photograph and I suddenly thought Oh, I saw it like that now that little landmark down south and as a member of the church some years ago, I made the suggestion we should actually remove the stonework which isn't stones an artificial stone we'll get back to the channel siding underneath. They didn't go over there it just it just doesn't work this structurally doesn't work the stonework. The other thing the windows replaced they took out the nice crown glass which is that wrapped glass and put in quarter inch plate glass in frames actually made a two by fours these are two by fours and it's all changes to mine mine somewhat the character of the lightness of Windows specifically very very light glazing bars it's not pretty that only be the pure sees that but at the back of the church there's another little feature that you're probably aware of is where there used to be a stained glass round window before they came from the butter church and culture over here and whether it's behind the plywood I had no idea I didn't get nothing I wouldn't say a restored building a renovated building in so much as all the windows these are all vinyl windows. Totally different from the original again, they look different they appear different I did a building in Victoria some years ago where we was 1980 1886 building and we had about 200 windows and We repair all single phase when there certainly were weather stripping and all that stuff and they were fine. This is sort of government building and their concern was should we have double glazing stuff no it's not necessary not in our climate. The bed is house showing a whole bunch of Lean twos additions and decks to it the main core is underneath here still preserved memory the audience recognizes this Duncan has just put in a Lincoln connection between the original happened house the watertight you can see the new shingles and a new metal roof again originally the roof with the cedar shingles metal roof is okay now you're keeping the water out my preference probably wouldn't be cedar shingles. There's been a new eyebrow dome and put on this side. Again this house if you look through the history has been changed many times so it's an organic thing they do change and it's done in character again the windows aren't that different the same the same proportions but they're not.

Unknown Speaker 38:16
They are identical they are wooden frame

Unknown Speaker 38:20
so then on the original well yes I can imagine Yeah. So we know this one there you go. Yeah, this is Ruby Alton's Isabella this is basically on by and not quite sure it's the islands Trust Fund

Unknown Speaker 38:52
administered by the banking services I did they wanted me to record on this building to indicate whether it had any heritage significance and I was able to write about three pages about this one building as to why it does have significance now took a little while when I finished with these little holes in Beaver point hole. It's had an addition here. We've got about 12 years ago this piece it's lower than the original. On the other scientists this porches new far side room, the kitchen on this side here. And that's just a little phosphate group. Where I should say every Wednesday evening tonight I've seen I think a little clock or Qantas business or promo coming up. We're doing a concert April the 19th of April the 20th. Down in church, Houston. So do come A bad photograph again, original Hall edition, and another edition. This is the toggle community hall this in addition to the IP, we did that last year. And this is where we are now in this whole here, different pain card, you change the color. This is the addition I have, I have one problem with the addition to disability. The first one is do volunteer thing you give me services free and on the attended the drawings and run the contractor rather than following this line of these round on to the roof went up at two feet, which is unnecessary, and it's bad. So think that's the end? Yes, it is going to have some lifecycle took.

Unknown Speaker 41:19
So my first question was how many buildings they didn't show? Good, good, good to learn about something is on.

Unknown Speaker 41:46
Okay, so from from those slides, you can see there is, you know, the rich legacy of heritage buildings on Saltspring. The question is, how are they protected? Under the official community plan here, there are provisions for protection of heritage and cultural features, which at this time only cover near village again, geez, this is more small area. In the community plan. I think it's part f which has a heritage conservation area, which lists nine buildings and a bunch of trees, the buildings, we've seen some of them including sauce behind the Trading Company, which you might need to resort

Unknown Speaker 42:25
to there's nothing left. But also in the community plan there are they indicate three things that they have the power to do.

Unknown Speaker 42:39
They have a suggesting that they could draw up an inventory of all heritage sites in Salzburg. That they could set up a heritage Advisory Commission to assess the trust and development of a building inventory and promotion, but overall, the heritage management plan. So you know, within the Navy, I've got copies of the relevant parts of both those documents right here, which actually spell out the legislation is there. It is only activated really with the pressure from the community and to the trustees and the trustees to do so those people will have to say yes, we need something to protect some of that stuff.

Unknown Speaker 43:37
thing I mentioned earlier, maybe I didn't mention about recent federal funding initiative called the Federal Historic Places Initiative. And this is a $30 million fund to assist local governments to set up inventories and branches of their buildings on a federal level based on federal requirements. Finally, what a building what what a heritage. So, there is some funding there which is such as the trust to instigate a inventories is a management

Unknown Speaker 44:37
another question, so, so, just on that, I think, you know, I think this group obviously, should be done by this group, I mean, we should get together. Another question which is asked as always, if your building becomes listed on inventory, or designated, what is the income pitches to the owner what they can do or not do. Very there's there's a number of levels if you just listed on the lemon tree, this is just the list this is only when it comes to a designated of which is 910 Optimism then restrictions as to what you can do. There's restrictions but there's also benefits and what you can get you can get there are tax benefits that you could get from being registered for the GST. I think you know, Saltspring whistle way behind lockdown communities and in their approach to heritage buildings. I think Victoria is probably one of the forerunners in the country of how they deal with their heritage buildings and I'm talking about commercial buildings. Individuals individual usually there's legislation for commercial in Victoria there's a program now again, which I'm involved with to some extent to begin with in the reuse of heritage buildings in the downtown area for housing on the upper levels you walk around Victoria look at all the nice shops you look at what it is it's forgiving of totally property tax over a five to 10 year period. After that period, the taxes come in but they come in at the highest level was the value of the buildings more expensive building the Victoria Heritage Foundation gives money to commercial properties up to the tune of $50,000 for the exterior and seismic upgrades they also give individual residential houses $5,000 towards exterior roofing foundation sites. So you know communities and municipalities down to trust do have the past given that they are legislated to kind of get it out so the other the other tax incentive is again it's mentioned in the in the community plan.

Unknown Speaker 47:43
As the financial benefits I think you're actually build the housing stock with the cultural association so I think I think what we should do as group is to try and move forward to setting up the heritage Advisory Commission and stepping out so that's all I have to say. Question

Unknown Speaker 48:24
Nine buildings

Unknown Speaker 48:36
fancy but that is the area of downtown. Shady downtown guarantees, conservation manholes, load training school saucepan and train company

Unknown Speaker 48:48
the cold calling

Unknown Speaker 48:51
Creamery, which is the bakery and the bakery. Tolson house which matches the old man's soul. The building of one thing, I believe is the one with the porch when it's done

Unknown Speaker 49:16
just now all those trees, oak trees and cenotaph in Centennial Park. Royal Oak trees, Salzburg Elementary School, mature trees, the trunk diameter greater than 21.5 and fruit trees are 50 years old. That's the starting point. So tree protection as well as

Unknown Speaker 49:55
the definition of heritage as it applies to that but is that A change from community

Unknown Speaker 50:04
I'll talk about this going back to you know when you get involved with doing a registry in Washington it's a little complicated but basically what I was looking for was the second

Unknown Speaker 50:31
the architecture, landscape

Unknown Speaker 50:34
style, design, shape for simple construction techniques, materials, workmanship, craftsmanship, artistic artists, architects and craftsmen. Environmental settings. So that's just starting age, person and then other historical phenomena and scientific guidance. That's another reason knowledge information unique over

Unknown Speaker 51:11
social cultural

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community tradition community editions memory or memorial symbolic educational nature sentimental nostalgic national spiritual place

Unknown Speaker 51:39
like comfortable building the world's

Unknown Speaker 51:46
definition of heritage building has moved to a new site it's still a heritage building a heritage building probably none of us most of us would not want to live in the building so how far changing still states a heritage heritage building and yet it's acceptable to taste

Unknown Speaker 52:18
it is subject definitely there isn't a black and white moving a building that's last resort much you're probably still extremely intrigued because no consumer has the original windows original signing original roof but we tend to look at Heritage up until now. The exterior interior just so your question about and so on the buildings there is all destroyed inside. It was so refinished in period Tech's the Alfred rucklehaus I would say that if one was definitely your designated insight, as well it's not it's not seen as trying to be a hardship for people to keep that

Unknown Speaker 53:21
89 to building 90 No one No

Unknown Speaker 53:32
Yeah, no, I think I think what I was trying to sort of explained with the attraction of builders if you've got a little bit of time, which you know to keep that so called heritage character, which is some of the examples Yes, that is often the case with I think in most most ethnic buildings, it's the experience that doesn't mean they will lose some features of the

Unknown Speaker 54:09
old courthouse which is on this one, I ran a slide oh yeah, that was a site building. It was in a very parking lot of the medical building or whatever it was then it was moved to the pharmacy as you build instability the second it's okay. Yeah.

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Okay, I went last in the summer to do a presentation to my heritage building and co ops to build a house built in 1959. There's in Victoria Saanich UNESCO heritage building

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it's not age something Jonathan you know I don't live any longer I don't like to say

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in addition to new calculations I just didn't want to show this. So you Yeah. Legal protection for the owner Yeah, it tends to be a voluntary thing to be designated. Although one

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volunteer will actually want

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you don't have to protect it maybe don't protect it

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you don't have to change I don't think what what its intent is to try and keep that heritage building. Even though it might have a metal roof on vinyl siding or whatever, underneath buildings. That's why I didn't have too much problem putting a new metal roof on the 30s and 40s. They put metal roofs anyway because the shingles Wait a second myself only thing I'm not a cure?

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Yeah, I wasn't aware of it didn't receive it. Amazed. Well, I think, you know, another building that surprised me actually, was the gun building the Korean, which actually see is the have to struggle to do that. And they were not, you know, they're not actually put inherited stuff back.

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Some years ago

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you couldn't really do a lot of character building. Unless you were incorporated. You can?

Unknown Speaker 57:48
I think you can. I think you can. Yeah, I think I'm gonna be honest, trust that

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was built good. Yes. You might think he certainly knows everything. Really difficult to do. So I just wondered,

Unknown Speaker 58:15
well, the way the community plan, you want to look at this and it's black and white that you can do all the things I've just said, Why don't you? Well, what that is, that's a slightly different thing. It's what's known as the heritage conservation area, where you take an area and group of buildings or streetscape? You could let say, take the whole that middle area a little bit we say that's the heritage conservation. So that's rather different from an inventory of individual buildings. So so but they say that this is this conservation areas, the expanded the buildings, and it can be altered and you can add to it there suggesting knowing all these things that are clearly wishes to then it can't be increased in scope.

Unknown Speaker 59:05
privatize know are those buildings protected?

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whole theme of privatization is extremely scary. What's happened with the with the provincial government devolving all their heritage properties, but for build for scale for us, carriers, Korea's gristmill funktioner. The concern is that up till now, there is a heritage branch which has been looking after the heritage aspect of those now the reason? Basically parks is slightly different than that, but certainly the management of the parks is now not done by BC parks. Yes, it isn't good. So I don't know what the answer is. That

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could be a perfect.

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Oh, I hope there isn't sure that it is who administers that clause. If there's nobody in government looking after it, maybe it has to be delegated to sauce behind heritage heritage commission

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research you have a long way

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to answer that. We went to the land title's office and Victoria downtown. And in an hour we saw and had our hands on every document the actual physical documents and the copy of the personal record I forget the jobs just don't office.

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Any other questions? You think there's any chance of getting the Salt Springs themselves on?

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The salt assaults, rapes, assaults

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that classifies it meets the criteria because yes,

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they're still there.

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Because it's still happening. It's off by

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a couple of the other questions? Okay.

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Thanks, Jonathan very much, showed us today that there's a fine line between good restoration and bad restoration. And also the fact that it's important that we preserve our heritage and that we have another meeting coming up where we have the person from the Heritage Association coming to talk to us as a different program. Our September meeting today I'd like to thank you very much on behalf of the software on the Historical Society and presented with a signed copy of Charles's book

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just before you

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go there's some leaflets and stuff here you can look at this membership forms