Sampson-Family_Fernwood-Memories.mp3

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24.04.2023

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The Samsung family are the oldest family president on Salt Lake Land was first came on as part of the

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play a welcome song with others on the drums and then Ken is going to take us through the presentation so Paul we're ready

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to join in spirit runners

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will say Love Songs.

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Henry

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Henry came up to the British car travel up and down Vancouver Island working

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for himself

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Charlotte Connecticut Island which is falling off mother or wife

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This is Charlotte Croft many years ago cooking cat lady cat artisan foods Mary Mary right from her find a fair home a copper rattle

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This is the property on salt Greenwich. My grandfather's salon

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that runs from from the dock or Dr. St. Mary's lake

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out there

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this is the family trees companion boosting teams young girls and three boys but unfortunately this young fellow here you'll need and the youngest and more he was killed in an accident in Port Alberni alone 11 girls and a boy

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who later married but you can see on that one, this is part of the fun to adopt and right here this piece of property that Emery donated to school for all the kids

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under the old Fernwood dock logging there

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this is Lucy Anelka married they have 14 children that's Henry brother came up from orphan England in 1556 months to come around he worked up in Vancouver Island his wife

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Melaka these two actually met 100 years before I was born November of 1866

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all ran out and out here with a little jail as my grandfather was fluent in a few native languages so they made him comfortable in that box over there on the table it's a handcuff key for your jail and it was later moved into the backside of this component itself

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all again

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the time

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my mother came up when she might damage her sister had placed up here and two children and she lost her husband in an accident so my mom and her mother came to help her children and she never did go back

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to your friend's place let them voice to girl

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and that's my father and one of the sisters

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the old farm hog barn that they worked in the barn there and all the open fields which were broken by my dad

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I hand

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back one finger on his own teeth where are they? Take it to the hearts of the news on the farm, wandered over here

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my mother in the garden hope that Is the result for work

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told me dogs had worked for Marina Hagen

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like you're now your next

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mode of transportation waiting for the vote that the fear squad amendment verges in such

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a wide dark where the horses and trucks net down those shops

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a ramp going down to the bare metal shed by your vehicles

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one lady came down right across there does nobody know cards that nobody hurt

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mother has few older brothers you see the rocks that they're sitting on are now underneath the dock that is their new document up here that's the old dock boat that they're on they moved over that much

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was that Harold Allen Bill

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Bill Milburn small family

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kids business you

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guys day

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of the school again

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Brentwood school all the kids in attendance I guess from st Van

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Gogh picture from Fernwood my dad and then a bunch of

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other cars double exposure

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to the source of the military one refresher

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my sister and myself and these bolts from the old farm of the back of the grandfather planted and they're still very crude today

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this is half the family I guess hadn't started yet so boys myself

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from the mainland From loaded

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versus the bottom fields is a dead barn over there

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getting ready for harvest there's the bottom this another person they used often at first started upgrading to Harkness

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Good day

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One day you need a truck

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fish for change

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everyday seal the whole mind off the real importance of

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taking care of

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local taxi

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the lives of cousins from the mainland Laurie

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coming in after date of work I guess

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it hasn't changed much I don't think

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it's gonna just

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myself and no camera shy

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transportation

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be used after they finish the horses my brothers go back to work push us in the hill standing on the spokes to hold everybody jumped on and one didn't make it or both is late

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we didn't have to push it up take your pictures and have a scream.

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My mum and dad, chest your nose

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would have been her birthday tomorrow.

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Interview to Kellyanne Conway

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lottery

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burst birthday

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did she sneak

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in family reunions are just the start

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your rezone

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This is the young

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barn itself as a farm

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skill on your farm

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cedars

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few names they're passed on

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sisters that have gone

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there's the

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cemetery

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last one

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Oh

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course

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afford a fur coat

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What's up

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this airplane s in the spring

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let's leech up his horse oh oh it's like you're with his team And

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so and that

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was approved for and you guys are air and of course voice

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Oh an air elephant torch

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I was wondering if the 1860s And you said he worked

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with Henry was with the Hudson Bay Company. He was actually a carpenter. And he worked on the Baskin and Nanaimo. He worked on up and down your island, his brother King de Saltspring with him for a while. Kevin brother George, that he didn't he stayed for a while. And then he went on his way. And I don't think anybody knows where he went to where he ended up.

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So the earlier photos look like aerial photos over the farm that was taken by airplane.

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Yeah. Marshall chard needs to do that fly around. We got about two pictures of the different forms

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you name it. Horses and chickens, cows, sheep, pigs. Anything to feed the kids

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and cats and dogs? Yep.

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Share a memory.

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Come up here about us mainly about your mother. My name is Joyce.

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And I'm really granddaughter. And so of course, we used to go to the farm when I was quite young. And I can only remember back to when I was about seven. But each time we went to the farm what stuck in my head all these years because I only had seven children. Let's have this big Baltic time we drove it seemed to me Atlantis would be out there there was a snake all the way up to the main road. And athletes would be there with two galvanized square buckets on a bench and then two more and she would be washing Bluejeans so I can remember driving up that driveway and the snake fence was lined with Bluetooth all that never went out and I thought my God never complain complained about the old wringer washer. You remember that?

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Oh yeah, but no I had we had clothesline second we got modern.

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I can't remember the clothes. It was what struck me was hurt in these buckets washing and then rinsing and almost soaking wet. The genes went over the snakes. And so I never got over that. Nor is it. I think the part Jerry has never forgotten is the chickens hanging on the porch.

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Heading to the curb is always

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great to visit. Like he said there was always lots to eat. And it was fun.

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Hello I was just wondering, you didn't mention sort

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of Batesville? That's right.

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How did that sort of community fit in with your family's history there

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Jonathan banks that had just stored there and that's where a lot of the fruit trees came from on the Samson farm now from his story and then boat was right there bringing stuff in for a store so it worked out pretty good and I'm not sure what year they went from Bakersfield Fernwood can that started out with settlements Yeah. historical literature family joke oh yeah I guess I can see a big settlement wasn't much around there Then

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did you ever find any pictures of that old store come across them at all

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Oh yeah. Too bad yes

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right thanks bye

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i carries

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with it work history

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oh yeah work force

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tells about the handcuffs Oh right. Waiting back to one of my brothers the first four were born play around and they said playing with

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the younger one and

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playing around last time to get static structure dials 911 came up from under Bernie free the open

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black powder gun grandfather big pictures of

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think George might have for a while and then he could have gone with them anywhere

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They did both sign up at the farm

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well he does all the work for

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you okay, I'm gonna come rescue for a minute anyhow I can remember when we were kids, we gentlemen have feet in her hands and feet these chickens and whatever avviene they call us around come home from school at night the chicken was in the pot

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and now I brought a anchor while several arrowheads and some pictures that my sister anchor the I'll tell you how this has worked and make them like a teardrop with a hole in the top. They take a rope and quit on the rocker their canoes and a long rope on the front for the bow. They shut the canoes out as hard as they could pull it Thanks for calling the water man the ball road fasten it to the shore and then when you want it you just pull it back in again. That's why they're teardrop. And yeah a little bit the sisters and I don't know much about arrowheads, I know that if you see one coming up Okay, thank you very much

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with all that info on the anchor, he doesn't jump on the beat

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of your great grandma.

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Grandmother, my grandmother.

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Yeah. I have a friend here from around the area wondering if he was related. What's your last name? Pizza? Pizza. Pizza. Pizza

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Okay, well, yeah. He never mentioned anything about the negative side of the family. I guess traveling those days wasn't like today. Are you still in touch with this side today?

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Yeah, there's a few around we know but we don't seem

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obviously is why the history. The rear driver's side was mentioned family reunion, they never invited them. We had

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Millennium reunion telogen telogen center. And that was just chock a block. Because that's when I found more relatives from my dad's side, because he had leveled sisters and they just they're scattered and had their families but one one sister was to Lucy sister was living on Galliano. So she was quite handy for a midwife when Lucy was having babies. She'd come over and help.

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belt different. Send some Sen. Su M.

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reunion and you invited Ellen White and her son death white to the reunion to do a song and dance. And Ellen White is the mother of Doug White who was recently the chief in the ninth Oh yeah. They call it number one. Anyway, Ellen White is a prominent elder and used to work at the University and presently quite elderly in one of the care homes is no longer a lawyer but he does work a great deal with the city

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would probably been the Millennium reunion. Because there was people there. Yeah. Yeah. Let him here. And that When I met a bunch more relatives I was working at Crofton with a guy and I didn't even know that were black closely related until that reunion his his grandmother and his great grandmother and my grandmother were sisters or something

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marriage yeah

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grandma grandmother in her beautiful outfit

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interested if that was woven

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by the local people had to be like no blankets replaced

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indigenous weaving, right? That was married right? Yeah. Nice. She's gorgeous and beautiful pictures

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and it's probably more likely woven here or

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later on took over the sheets

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probably

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one thing I missed going back to Henry's parents were in Orpington. And he was he was a carpenter and I made a trip over there once I looked around and all the only thing I found was the school at my granddad went to tuck time finding that history around there. But George and Henry came out. They still had family back there, but I guess they want to track no internet. Facebook

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any of your family members go to residential

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school?

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No,

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no, my great great grand parents. St. Mary's

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could have been on grandmother's side but not on her dad's side

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I like your pictures of the deer on the car. I'm wondering if you think when you were a kid, was there less deer overpopulation on Saltspring because more people are hunting them today

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know

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it seems up and down you know there's I think there's less hunters today but more near dead on the road

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I think the numbers around the deer are somewhere around 7500 years ago there would be right around 1000 pet right now there's somewhere

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in the neighborhood of 6000 surveys somebody leaves here

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majority of them you stand up in my garden

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I just

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put it up is

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Coach Lee law

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firm with Wallace island

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right.

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Any other questions? Question for you on a theory of land when they got there. It was a treat right? Oh, how long ago take them to territory where you were showing pictures of the farmland?

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Well, my dad was helping his dad with oxygen Pulling stumps and that took quite a while to get that much land cleared

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because under the conditions of under the terms of when they purchased the land, they had to tear so many acres every year and also had to produce so much produce right for that bait company every year. So probably took about maybe 20 years or so.

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Oh, yeah. Because my dad was quite young when he was working before they got horses to use

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oxygen now of all the land that you showed us the preemption land up in the north end there are is your family the only one that still there are some divided so there's but most of it's been Trent transferred, changed over and broken up a bit. Yeah. So there were 200 acre blocks basically.

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From from the Fernwood to

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long narrow strip, I just wonder how many acres I thought they were blocked in two months. And that was all surveyed by Sir James Douglas to develop salt spray, so that the US Bay Company would be able to get produce for their court Victoria. And they had the coal mines in Nanaimo and at the Saanich Peninsula and sultry providing projects and that's why these people were able to get the land. They mentioned they worked about some big company so they had an inside track. They break that up sign the papers. Been here ever since 18 What do you say 59?

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Small ones around but I haven't had a good look at them to see if they are delicate.

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You mentioned marginal sharps picture collection while the Archives has that online. And if you're interested in looking at old Saltspring long sought 60s As the old I guess for me, but he touched people around and took pictures everywhere. And all these most of these pictures are online that deal with Ganges aterna Salt Spray obviously north and south in Dalian we just would go up in this plane and fly around and take pictures. I think we got how many frames 40,000

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Okay, and then what he also did is he took pictures of everybody in the community grab pictures, wedding pictures, but we can't sort of put those online yet because there's a limitation of of putting people online as it was a 50 years you have to wait right? Probably more. Yeah, something like that. 2020 all the explanations of salt spray we'll meet again and have that's online and the old trick was drawn line two, and they have a lot of pictures back and the old before the driftwood there was other small newspapers. So if you're a computer person, just go online Salisbury archives.com And it's all there and most of the pictures you saw here today come from that site. So it's a great resource for getting an idea of the family histories of Saltspring so there's no further questions right the link to the drift Yes.

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We used on the business and I went to high school here and my father

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never ever been able to find a dress

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the old building burned down.

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Well, we have most of the time. You just go on the soltrain Archives website and it opens up and you'll see collections and you click on the button for collections they opened up and it'd be alphabetically there's triplets click on.

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Course

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and this script is out

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and this was cut was charged and

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exposed it was right.

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When the settlement came,

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they have life of the Hudson Bay and they gave them the land or you have the buyer and the buyer who bought it, and guaranteed the fair and produce within so many years. But it was

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quite reasonable. I

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think it was reasonable. Somewhere in here, they just say they dug the hole for valley. That's why Bob's apartments down there and long and narrow, they were divided down by Vipers called preemption. You pay your fair you paid the price, you're guaranteed to produce the product. Basically, a lot of people did, they bought land, realize it wasn't impossible. But this is actually a story of success in one of the sales because most of the properties did not get developed. It just became too much work to clear all the property and do put it into production. So they just walk away from

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so how did you have some vague proposal

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wasn't actually the Hudson, it was actually well, it was the Hudson Bay Company control this whole area because of the training area. And they moved up from Vancouver, Washington, created for Victoria. And then were given by the Queen the right to the area. And so that was before British Columbia was established, and before called the Vancouver Island was established. So they were the law and order. The British Navy had a big base of the swim off, and they They protected the people. And so game status was named the governor. And he was responsible for the law and order and, and so he drew up these plans and he negotiated with some of the First Nations groups, the Douglas treaties. You'll hear about the Douglas treaties every now and again, we're treaties that were established a way back. And people use them as a model of the treaties at the time, but they have some flaws in them as well. But they are a treaties that were actually signed between First Nations groups and the Hudson's Bay Company for the use of the land. Native covenants they lived on the island. Yes, they were here on and off all the time. I don't know they had trouble traveling settlements in a way because they used to move back and forth between various areas like the groups from college and like go off to the Fraser River for six, four months. And they've settled here on their way and then back and forth and so on. So there was never settlement on the island or basically in the Ganges or you Bob Right. Was that sort of where the main settlements were? And then there's of course there's a section of land at the end of Fulford Harbor, which is the first nations that would be the imagine the Saanich fans Oh, sorry.

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Can you comment on the tradition of the Potlatch

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I can tell

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I don't think so. I haven't heard much about renewable

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you're not just talking about AC use my grandfather as a translator.

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Okay. So I know that's all I think thank you want to have a wrap up session.

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I'd like to thank everyone for coming out today. And Bob and his crew and the library, Franklin library and the archives.

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Okay

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we're going to have a farewell wrap up here with Paul. So I'll let him carry on

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thank everyone again for the clothes off with the ancestors on

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drums and at the end of the show, if anyone like come up and look at the collections on the table, you're You're welcome. I'll take it home

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thanks?

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