Arvid-Charlie.mp3

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24.04.2023

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fake names and in person names are

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very important that

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give you the history

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but those that know the history

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or low wage called

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a certain knee like

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cannot be so the point north and south

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it's called

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because

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the beach used to be just white with shells

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so it's actually seen white ground

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and that was a very important place because

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many different communities come here to

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to quash cramps, steam

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steam that comes open a whole chain of work that has to be done

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through the punish stage

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like everybody went down or the family went there and

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stronger younger men would go digging

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for my great grandfather this gene that's my name is Jean and carry his name

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he'd be up on a beach with his wife was

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so old,

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like younger men would be out digging

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the older folks would be organizing the preparation

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so mum, or my mom's job by 1925

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was to go and get rocks

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for the steam pit

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somebody else would be digging the steam pit preparing it

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that'd be certain rocks. It couldn't be sandstone type of a rock those explode when you heat it up

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so just the harder rocks preferably black rocks or Blue Rocks the harder ones they don't absorb the water in there and they don't explode when needed

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but also whether we're getting

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certain kinds of seaweed

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certain kinds of leaves

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could be here could be Boston could be maple or burns to pin down in case to the family would be like

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seizing

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that particular food with it's no different than a season you have today.

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So that the picture is done

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and also some boards or the logs button can be used

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you fix your condensing your word and then on top you put some

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on top about where do you put the the pause and you're going to sit joke's on that

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the players read up

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the rocks will get to read hard or even wait

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then afterwards just write

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you covered with her cover the hot rocks with seaweed

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and

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green balls of whatever your choice of

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bows is.

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Maple Leafs, cedar whatever.

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And then in my mum was down there was the resect but that before they could be seen to get to cover that with the new cams.

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From the camera no more seaweed

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and more cover whether it be cedar bark or sex or canvas.

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Before resolved is

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the scheme for sticking into time

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when you

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take it all out,

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and then everybody can put your hand into

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Crower dipolar clams out of the shells.

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And then somebody's already gone. To get

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this brown wood sticks. Anyone's sharpened cleaned up. So you poke the clams on a certain way. doesn't fall apart if you don't do it right and it's gonna fall apart.

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They're

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what we call a somewhat endless kind of stringy things.

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In the claims

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that the muscle that's another part of it, fingers crossed a certain ways to hold a candle

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and then

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then you roast them over, kind of roasted over the fire

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town turn

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this nice thing down

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there's lots of preparations out to the bottom that can be fixed on top. But of course you rebuild your fire by then

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then

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then when he's done

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he'll pull them off the sticks

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and then the

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some of the marker sticks, Mr. Lieberman.

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And then you layer on top a bunch of leaves, maybe some sacks or something over it. And then you step on them

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to squeeze the juice out of it.

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And then

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when you've got rid of a lot of the juice in you,

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it's not artistic then you take it off and you're threaded through if he's in

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Cedarburg strange

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then you can somewhat kind of smoke

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some of them didn't understand

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whatever you do Yeah, you have to try to get the moisture

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it's a long process nowadays for what I'm told and I'll get

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into one my life

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today you do the same thing by putting it in the oven leaving it can open

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you said that look up

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look up the way I noticed

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so buckle is awake. So definitely a globalized P

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from buckle

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up

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I'm fine back to my old system here it's got underline which it doesn't have

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I think it was right here what I see Yeah, that's it. Yeah. So you said that people go from all over to with only certain families use that area? Or how was it done in the old days? Like could anyone go there

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we didn't see anyone that's

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it gets me see anyone within a family

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and that can be from different communities. But not just to anybody like

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you know the North people couldn't come in right

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you know, but on

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so anybody within

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a certain community would go to the Civic communities when

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do you know offhand which communities would have gone to coaching for one keeper for another and others Okay.

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And you know, they've been going here for 1000s of years so they've been I've been to the site of their knee the old scheme now they go way down below the Tidemark entrance

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not too long ago some of the posters still there

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I guess late 40s early 50s posters together from the longhouses earlier

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I don't know how much later after that there was to learn with parts have you been there at that time? Well

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going so we come to the place name

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put flakes

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which is a place of salt

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you close

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Okay, let me start

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Can

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we just put an HW in front of it to get

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please have solved

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now

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some put that as a specific spot at the spring our springs

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and some YouTube for the whole island so

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there's any

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Thanks for the whole island.

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For me, I couldn't say exactly where it is. I don't know where the springs Salt Springs.

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I'm told it's more than more than just one spot. Yeah, there's about 14 of them up here. All but all in inside the island. Where that name

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so you've heard of other names for Saltspring. Yeah, like for example

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what other people name the island.

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I have to wait for another time that one okay

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so

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does that name conjure up anything just besides the plates and salt story because

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I don't have any. But I'm certainly run by the freeholders we have left. Yeah.

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Okay.

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Now I'm one of the whole commitment treaty group maps. They had St. Mary's Lake. Identified as Cliff long huts. Yeah.

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Questions. Yeah, because I heard different names for that. So What name have you heard for?

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St. Mary's?

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I can't remember at this time.

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And

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so my question is that Nick, really salty? No shade isn't? No.

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Not at all. It's a big

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shadow bank.

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In Salt Springs in north of it.

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And of course, Walker's hook has the name.

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So hate mud.

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And would that be would that be used by different people or I mean, I know the pelicans have quite a connection to this place. Yeah.

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Whose does that one? That's from one of your old the whole Camino treaty group maps. Yeah, sure. Hey.

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The way I'd really go on is

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yeah

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yeah. So I'm going to follow up on that because

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some of our translators are very young

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and don't speak green there they're they're coming out fast

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so

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I need to follow up on it

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she had

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she had one

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month

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yeah man

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to make sure

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and of course that's when you talked about it maybe you could tell us a bit more about Stop stop would you tell a bit

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stuck

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stuck

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stuck

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stuck for too long harbor

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a bit of a no no that used to be a lot of

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ducks going there

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used to be very good pace to get ducks

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earlier we used to put up

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next with the ducks

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then later on it was such a good place for Shugden

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when he said you can try and go unnoticed can line up

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two or three news come in

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and then

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the ducks would be all a question then at some point I'm gonna have to play out

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the lead net

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and I'm also told at a certain time is that the start or the how'd it be going

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to come to the shallow

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I'm going to point them towards told they're normally a deep fish, deep water fish but at certain times you do come to the shallow

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you can spear them

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and like I said there was another another climbing plates who I guess yeah.

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That wasn't the only spot for ducks. There was a whole Ganges Aereos screech that's Ganges. And

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then getting to the next place name is we have this one.

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This is well known to the Saanich. They actually named this place Walter Bay, who's a big sandspit here and they call it C house. But this is the spelling that I got from one a year now.

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Chiapas

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and they said well the Spanish people you're talking to said it meant something to plates to be cautious there's something to do with caution and they related it to two different things one exposed weather like winds prevailing winds from its way and also the fact that it was exposed if somebody came around this corner here they'd see it right away and you wouldn't see them coming

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I just wonder if you recall any couch and I known as a shell shocked

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it's very similar to that

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does that name conjure up any not for me at this time

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and then you went wherever any names for better speech or any the places around that you sign

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knowing not for me

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sort of a big gap in here

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then of course we have this one that you talked about

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an ancestor of yours drowned their snow

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that's Nam

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Could you tell us briefly about that story again? Just not

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you might find it in some maps as a beaver point

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and

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the half a million translation from for beaver point is spokes and

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even knows

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I know that just Nam from my family history

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County recently going back to before five generations

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I had a

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great great granddad Romney greets like a drunk river there she was getting

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she didn't notice remnants she slipped and filling drunk and

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the other story that's within our families

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we always went there

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and some of them were permanent

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buildings over there

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The reason why that was a favorite spot was because of the good water that used to be there and probably still use their spring water.

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And

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so one of the things will we were waiting for was type

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which is your sector guild trek.

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And I'm guessing around March is early spring

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and how did they have this? So with a harpoon

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need Wait, they're be there long before it came up. But eventually they

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they come to the surface. Just kind of quote there.

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And then you know, somebody's watching. You got an whodunnit?

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Why didn't we catch it?

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We used to have a bad render the fat but also the skin was used for some people

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we were

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another story within met families and we just passed him down to undermine you

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know,

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the not too distant past

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years 100 years

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through siblings were helping a canoe

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and a girl came up with a squat squat. Under those sudden, sudden wind

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usually in spring to add happens. Sudden Squall came up.

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They weren't able to get to shrine game and

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so

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those stories

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and their family and

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it backs up the NEMA replace fitting with all the stories that go with that case.

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So no anyway.

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Talking about these stories confer

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I'm gonna name a place

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and so when you when you mentioned your family this is your family from cook solid

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now that come come

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so these two gentlemen they die or they drowned a sister

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yeah they died off this place yeah

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when we were talking to the Saanich elders they mentioned you know Russell Island Yeah little island at the entrance here and they gave us this name for it and it's this is in the sandwich of course plumber plumber

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I wonder sent me and they they weren't quite sure of the translation but it had something to do with bone

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like climax

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I'm not sure about the seat slash

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what sound that is

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if it had something to do with bones or the body

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to the same

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story I just gave you

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they were able to find

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the girl

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right away or you know within a certain length of time but

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while my Ron Ron

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gave on one of the bones later on

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that following year or something two years and the beach

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but they never found the other one

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of these two segments and

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I don't want to say one but

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I have to follow up on

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you know the names of these two the two individuals are not up to top my head but I do have them written down

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okay now we're in

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in Fulford harbour proper and could you talk maybe a bit of a fulfilled harbor Indian name and

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then maybe we could discuss this this photograph here and the

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you know the story is about ownership and to get into that

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next

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Fulford.

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Connect Connecticut

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harbor

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Now, earlier I told you

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the government of the day back in the 1800s allotted some certain areas to certain individuals sorry Indian communities

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cultures to or like for them to come and make a deal or a treaty with

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with the Guardians.

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But at that time there's our pitch to make treaties with other communities north of couching and south of college

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and in doing so, they allotted some of the

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common areas, common areas been many people used many communities use those areas.

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Fulford is definitely one of those areas

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main island

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particularly the active bed area

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production area, which is the north

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east end of strength

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but as far as it goes

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we had a great presence over there

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there's definitely been a lot of power in between who should own

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who should own that corporate hybrid reserve.

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found out what I'm told

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one of the last people there which does direct charity

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who was married to

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somebody no it wasn't so it's one of those

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are elders melhores near La last, like pacing

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in the couple that were

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apparently murdered or disappeared, that's another couple another thing

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Okay, yeah, could you

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I couldn't tell.

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I couldn't go much further than that. I'd be just speculating and guessing Okay, we'd have to gain from the answers. Yeah.

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Good

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for Neverland How about

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how would you translate that name

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there's no

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there's many different ways of saying it the most common one is that dropped bottom yeah

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I know net nets

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there that that word is definitely referring to a bottom

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thing another example is

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people be who complete the same same ending the different packaging ending

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the outer cover top to bottom or deep bottom

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refers to

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the base of the bay why would that the bottom in there? No, no. No. Yeah, who knows

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that nuts

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okay, I guess we'll talk about

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the name from our swan. Dwayne sweat flame

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that just happens at Guam is very close to

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Dwayne in spelling and in sound in a way. But Twomey is

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from another country.

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Not sure if it's German,

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Irish maybe. Whatever it is, it's not from here. But our word for this to an

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end from what I'm told it's something to do with species

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Some say it's the whole station. Say hello

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to

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some seats the whole Southeast part of that mountain.

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Some say a couple along the beach

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seems like older versions means that the whole south facing slope of Mount

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hos a new sewing

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came across an old story has been published a few times

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about this man. So hey, listen.

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If you're in association with the mountain there

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I can only give a very brief one another one.

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You may or may not have an S in front of it read

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some juicy Hello

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only give a very short version

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of it.

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There is a whole bunch of brothers

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stand up and be one of them.

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And one of the brothers does something to cause him to get bind.

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So for whatever reason, they dropped him up a pair. He was from what I'm told from summerlands

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issue comes from

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don't know if he or somebody worked on him to get his eyes back. But when he got his eyes back when he opened his eyes

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flashed thunder, like lightning. Yeah.

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So

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and he used that to

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I guess to threaten people.

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Okay, I had to bring him food. They eventually

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got to bring them

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like the daughters,

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too to my wife to

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the geezer. So people don't

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or to say to him down, yeah.

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So he's a Canadian,

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certain kind of wealth during lives.

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So, for them to be

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the heir to kill them somehow, and somehow they pan out

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They They

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heated up a seal

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the fat the whole seal and then Korea speaks and says to

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you got to check up on that but that will be the short version of that story. Wow and there is descendants

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from that story that are here today

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there's many names

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associated with that and they had been used

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some families don't want to be known and I can expect that I can repeat those names right brothers

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this all took place on so he joined us last night latter part of it took place at

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the beginning part of it

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starts with

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had been brewing for a while this this kind of problem between brothers

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but it's kind of come through a hit hit hit peak Iraq that repo between two and 3.0 Yeah so reef marketing yeah that's kind of where it started

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those are name for that rock because I have a name here Yeah. Sent out option Oh yeah.

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Which is your big toe

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the name for rock?

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The W

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in its raw water what is the English name for that rock? I think it's picky. Okay

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that means big toe yeah

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I used to get you so within

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co2

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that the squealing that's there

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there's two kinds yeah there there were both air to time

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he

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in squeegee

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what's the difference?

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Think we're Nikolic the radar

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taking the radar crypto but they're the big ones

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the squeaky and small some called Wait Are we nurturance

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there's a rock there Musgrave rocket here's another plates name we got

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something to do with excrement and the head

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lady

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WhatsApp

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okay be allowed to birds before takeoff and ducks and not to see

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he birds so they used to be just hundreds of maybe 1000s So that drop was putting extra weight with extra net weight

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and

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there's another place along here I'm not sure exactly where it is if they don't know that part of the island but he cut what you like Little Drummer place or something called like them. That's it

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and there's some discrepancy in which one it is so I want to comment on it much. Yeah, because that seems to be the case. I mean I found different accounts and and you're not sure where it was? Yeah, but what does that name suggests anything why would they call it that? Okay, well what would be either could be an abortion

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or drum

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up or drumming you are welcome

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so Kiko lots of little Yeah, yeah.

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Little drumming please. So why why

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Why do you think they would name that name there

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suggest anything one of the one of the ones that heard now whether it relates to this one or not I don't know. But there's a little drama fish

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yeah

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only certain people here

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now I don't know what release to that is particularly diamond or not. That's interesting. So that is sort of like a spiritual entity real actual fish that makes a sound that's a good question is action or is it

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spiritual

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and then we

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we talked about this last time a bit you said that there were a lot of different places named this name. Do the fender Cave of the Thunderbird

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wha c'est la yeah

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yeah, there's quite a few different places that would that name

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but still kind of

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we talked about restricting reach so I can't really pinpoint where the

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clarity but the audience I see because they're very they're obviously very special. Yeah.

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What would be the name for a sacred place? Like I've heard the name Yeah.

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Be just the word sacred

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when you put some words before after

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going to a place or an action or something that I picked okay.

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So, that designation might be applied to sites like this, I mean the Thunderbird must have been a yes or yes

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also that word in a little bit different tone could be used to

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something you don't do or something you have to do

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Britons

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do certain things that one has to do and become more

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so that

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you got to do some hair so it could be an action you might have to do

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or it could be a brace

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so depending on what words you use it or phrase

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can kind of change the meaning

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of sacred yeah

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and

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you

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maybe if you if you'd like you can tell us again about flat clock what's the practice

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yeah

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questions is being Deacon not natural

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where certain individuals

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made their ending they were dead

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and gotten something like across the country or somewhere in their chest

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to make like they were dead and maybe like the guts ran and under some

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legal I've seen this in watching for a long time the guy had to keep reading this debris. Who knows how long all day today?

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Can you be kept? absolutely still, that ego will come in to

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eat him up? Come investigate first.

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Can you be kept up to this day? Oh, he'd be able to catch that at Eagle

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maybe moved vention. Anyway, that eagle would suck away, fly away.

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That's right question

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is in your next choice.

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Quiz fly quest like flyway plays some net effect.

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So if you're moved to twitched and the eagle has gone

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away In

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addition, short version? Yeah. And what would be the significance? I mean, if the bird didn't fly away, what would happen?

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Well, you cut the bird or you cut it vanish and for some mycorrhiza

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bigger accomplishment to have this from an eagle without killing an eagle.

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We definitely have some work to do to get the whole bird but still, it's a big feat.

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case you know how many people are going to catch a lever with their bare hands

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you mentioned this was the golden eagle yes that Golden Eagle

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but you know definitely other others were adults will come in they can bargain

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the Patriots was the gold Lena

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of course that's overlooking this place

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clock home

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welcome just like straight below which is

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better going back

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that's another area where there's

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quite a few different families in there.

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But one of the last ones to leave was

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while he asked Dad

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while he I believe she married that jives as a young girl

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so her dad owns some of that land there.

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And

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from what we're told the government promised to buy land from

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her father never did compensating for the land.

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As we know

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it was which other families

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so her dad was from Kentucky

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the Ben George

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great granddad

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any idea that the other families might have been used? Lachlan. No, not offhand.

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I'd have to try and trace it back because iccj used to talk about it. She was one born in

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1883.

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She used to talk about a grand gloom Bay and she talked about cliquish and the trips up there.

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And also look out towards I think you might cognate for pointing

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towards the power line from

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Nickleby.

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Napoleon goes across

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with a lookout point.

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Watch for invaders. Right. So there should be some Megan's up there in February, she said was flat up. I've never been there. But she said it's flat up they're not top of the hill, they're like

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a quarter or a third of the way up the mountain.

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Level look.

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So what would be the how are these lookouts operate? How would they work in practice?

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You think somebody was there all the time?

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that others would be watching and I guess he would make some sort of signal. Yeah. And not counted runners. Who was who people well known between runners and now one of our fellow

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brothers his was one of the great runners.

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And

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could you give us the Indian name for a

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mountain Axel and then just a brief

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description of the story

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we'll meet at some.

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Yeah, some see make the gym some see make it some different has been M or N

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I'm gonna have to go back the eldest and see which one is most comes up the most the M or the n

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that means bent over via bent over

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place

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this very slight difference

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the end would make him do an action of what that thing done by a mountain in this case, it could bend over

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and the N word.

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It's been done actually has been done.

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can be either very Yeah.

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So I need to get to the bottom

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of the way. Okay.

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Yeah, that's cool.

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top my

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top my Tama

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exact location I couldn't pinpoint

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more

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and the only difference is one shenana con the other one hasn't

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so that made a difference meaning or no no

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reverse link one my case taught them

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that one time often the key IDs now look one. That's that one.

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Top mark would be more of like the name of the place

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they can both be used for a place because I wonder because I've seen different maps.

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One description I read says refer to the water because water is really warm. They're warm is the warmest water in the island. Really?

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Yeah, and then I've seen the name given to the mountain there. Yeah. So maybe one of those might refer to the mountain more specific

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this could be me I'm getting this could be the water that could be the place Yeah. Okay. Well, let's toggle water

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and sometimes he you heard me say tuck them from a

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like tea

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sometimes there's very little difference between keep grand culture

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and some

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some words are just like at tatelman comma

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one could be coupon could be college, which kind of makes sense because you're moving up here towards the Hebrew people. And we have another base

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honeymoon

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honeymoon be lost with that.

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Oh, yeah, there's a mountain over there.

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Yeah, really. Another one is cleanup Some Witches Greenpoint

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fixing up some is

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a good marble be it to be just after you.

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Were going up the river interculturally now you're encouraging Nick. You keep going up his shoreline and and all of a sudden there's gonna be a big kind of Stobi not a shabby. That's, that's picking up some.

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But there's also an eclipse in that particular path.

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So in this case, it's in a campground

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so

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how would you explain their relationship with a abuser? The same people? Yes. Origin good used by the community? Yeah, which was a village in the village site in college and river delta.

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So you remember any other names for for Boothbay? Like I've come across this name different maps and other sources like flat line and lawn salon?

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Yeah, because of all the different names coming up I'm hesitant to say No Yeah, because these are who knows where they came from?

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One of the names was similar to

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snowing eights which is

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which means harbor the very land that's

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very close to that sun on its name.

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Some of the elders call which pay for that one because of the way yeah that name what does that mean me I would name somebody was going in or something inside by the end is how it

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was but

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you've heard that for booth canal it's interesting.

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Now what was the other one for Pender?

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I have another similar one is

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snow

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and snow ologies.

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Where they develop development days and they're under problem with the bones, Excel and poet points. Oh, yeah. That's one of the names for

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all that thought.

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Snow weather

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is one of the names for

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what's called Snow wallet.

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This one hasn't been approved by all the elders. But I do note from my family okay

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some patients have

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several names depending on which family or community Blanca

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is my family snow

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again and refers to the

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I guess the indentation underlined sinew is Sydney which inside the state something where can you book this house? So that Bay becomes inside of

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the island.

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So it's kind of what it refers to by that

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sinew

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snow Let's send out when ah and so on. It's a very descriptive name for a specific kind of geographical feature here we go like canal you go in there and

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keeps going

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and there's even a similar name for I believe Montague Harbour

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Yeah, good if a similar kind of sensor you're going in now some No. Again there's two or three different ways of seeing that one. And I believe it's depending where the Cooper

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couching Saanich

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will be different

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so you say there's a

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distinct difference between the couch and dialect and the keeper island just didn't sound or is it in words are the words are similar the sound in is little different yeah yeah

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it's almost gone

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and there's a few that know

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that go one of the keeper phrases ease and

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he chose to feel

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Are you fine? Are you okay?

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gouging you'd say

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you don't see that last part of

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they

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my uncle partial or near a senior

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living couch and telling me about 10

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Then he went to his grandparents place and stayed in Cuba for a number of years.

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Before he came back to college and

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when he got home we went to see his grandpa and he said you chose here

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and the No grandpa said in English I guess that's okay.

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You are part of Cooper like in college and here we see George

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that's how he found out that it was

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the owl was cute.

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And he shared quite a few

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words with me that are Cupra?

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Now, do you recall any names from the Soviet theory? That didn't seem I haven't found anything I'd say between birth canal and study point. I mean Yeah, have you written down but I

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definitely think the magpie I don't have in my head

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and also I know there's some some rock paintings up there Lynnville DocPoint that should be an Indian

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hello hello how

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are the name for the the actual the figures are read them paintings are on one of the rocks. They're very faded now.

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But they're just north of the the ferry dock.

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Better that that could be some of his stuff. Yeah, phenom would make those would they be the only individuals who do that sort of thing like to do I mean, read paintings aren't very common here. No, they're not.

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Gonna come

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from what I've heard is not only SNAM that do that.

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So who then I couldn't really say

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because I don't know. You know why they would do something like that. They're

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just lots of possibilities. But again, if I buy good going

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Good, I'm guessing Yeah. You don't want to hear it from me. I'll just Yeah, I understand the audio there's Yeah, for sure.

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That covers all the places I think.

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Maybe

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we talked last time about the Ganges canoes. Good. You gave us this name.

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To describe this.

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Yeah, feature

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the word fits

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would be a verb,

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to be used as a verb. But

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it's also used as a noun, which describes the portage our pullover place between genius and Cooper before they get out.

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You got Darren, the Tigers out. And you had to pull your cream and that's that's the action that's the group of pushing, pulling, pushing pulling.

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But see which noun for that particular place

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between theaters.

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So what would you have when you put this sh in front of it?

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The SH usually is an action

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so in this case, Shuttleworth the action is Fitz

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Shuttleworth is the action unit

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that is where the SH before the second sh makes the place. Okay.

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And you said they use the Salomon settler money reminders here, Paul's

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the vendor in a season. If you have receptors running,

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you could be a pause and make it much easier. And there are certain polls were prepared. One family says

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I believe these polls are very good for that. And that the states that bring their samples are very slippery to begin with.

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But definitely any boy that you could deal with or that feeling guilty for any point will do

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a straight

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call the canoe which is the snow off

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now

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let's dig into filtering.

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You have any specific questions? The only thing that you remember when we talked to the Saanich group was he called that little island by Isabel point. So you are wondering why Yeah, they call it like Totland. Or they give it the it's a little rock here.

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The bullet point rock, and they gave it this this thing?

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Software, but he said it was salt and salt. And we were wondering why it faltered. But it makes

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me wonder maybe maybe they did mix it up with somewhere else. I couldn't

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I do have a name for that. But I don't have in my head

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or a name for that. And the quick that's where we have to really

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is a very important place you can come to

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see your dreams and there's the water, there's camping. It'd be minimums there. There is a huge mountain and a longhouse site actually rectangular depression. Something very interestingly found just a few weeks ago, way up in here, it's about 300 meters up a shell mount. It's about four feet deep by about 100 feet long. 300 meters up in the woods. Like you wonder why would be so far from the store. I mean, I'll think a little of labor to take all those plans up there.

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Yes, I think in fact, there's also Springwater here, this side of the creek.

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Wow, I'd love to know her name.

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Are there any other names? We haven't covered? Come to our fan. I have a whole bunch of names but I need to run them by the elders because I only didn't have like one elder one family.

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Yeah. And two, out.

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Two or more elders have too

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much what are opposites? It needs to others have capacity before it can let it out. Oh, that's sort of the protocol. Yeah.

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one of the very important is DHL.

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wherever another island is clear as much

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as a creek over here. Yes. So these two creeks have the same name. But I have to get okay. They released those two.

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That is it. Like I believe the Saltspring name for that a second Creek. Second that one? I think so. I've never heard him. And I have some information for you. I don't know if you may know already. But we went there was a talk last week at historical society by a son of an early settler who lives up here to laundries needs to buy these out sheet and they bought actually a lot of couch and people bought Wolfram 32. Yes. And he said that there's petroglyphs on that second creek that are visible from the water. Have you guys identified another? Yeah. No,

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not we didn't put a map. But it's also the same over here or used to be. I believe it's been moved away. Yeah, it has been moved. But it's now down in a little park there.

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So these two are

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part of the same month. Oh.

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And with this, Patrick must be back halogen people from what I'm told. Now, you probably hear a different percentage.

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We have the reason as to why.

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But the purpose of it was

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Could you share that with us? No, I can't at this time.

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So we should probably keep it secret to this Petrova. Yeah, yeah. I was wondering about that myself, because I didn't know about this until this guy told me. He also said there was one up here that's buried because I need some woman because of the trouble.

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know if you know that story, but a logger found the one in Fulford it was down at the point of land and up there and he was there was a rock was interfering with his log boons. One day at a really low tide, he pulled it up, and there was this face on the rock. And then he moved it to his property, and the government made and take it back. And then this woman heard about it over here. And she knew that there was a lock on her property she buried. So now it's buried, to try and find out where.

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So

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those were very sacred

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rocks.

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So

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the way my family talks about it, because of what they considered desecration to that rock, they turned it over. So I don't know what he's turned over when a guy pulled it out. But our story is that because of what is happening, because of what somebody was doing, rock when an extract contains was supposed to be done there. We went there with some guys and turn it over. So treatment patient down when he moved it

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was

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know, is there an Indian name to describe that kind of

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rock? Like a carved rock? Yeah, I can't remember. Yeah. Because I don't know, I just in the old in the couch and dictionary

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had this name to describe writing, and I've heard this. People use that to describe some of these images. They don't make a distinction between the writing we're doing here. And you know, the images that they use to do so right now. That 100

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of you're talking over already.

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This one's still on. Okay.

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If you're talking,

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I'm writing down what you're saying. To your story. Okay, great. Yeah.

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So can you use that name to describe pictures?

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No, there's a certain word for it. But anything that's

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written is Sofia.

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So

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if you don't own an angry Chai, you could say that Rakesh here for your story is Sophia now i

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It's written

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Can you write this

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up he'll he'll written, nobody had the story that's written or

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that rock has got something written on it

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that Rob says something written

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or designed.

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And that color comes from the same word.

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But with which to the building? Yeah.

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Yeah, that story I've heard I mean, there were designs on those buildings.

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So it seemed like there were several so one of them being between

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like Eastern the highway by Super bridge

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on this side of the river

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to where the lagoon says in an area was hello

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and

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engaging sold that page.

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So they need to stay there for a while, but eventually they just stayed at

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their company in place at the prison day.

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Its history. He's talked about my mother in law was from

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Chateau she relayed the story of her family that's weighing out from college and

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the people from hell out they must have gone over to salt and uncertain oh yeah

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you know, there were no boundaries

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and

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you'll always hear lived in his house. No, you're not gonna have a boundary over there. You know, you can pass that and she can come and say so this whole area was was our home. So it

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was encouraging that I wasn't what we know as coaching today. But they have to come from places, other rooms and other places

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where they went to do their harvest. Certainly some families preferred food from some other place no different from today. My son likes to go to Wendy's but my daughter likes to go to McDonald's

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my mom didn't like

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fish from like salmon rose creek or salmon or steak.

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My grandfather likes to fish from Richards Creek coal

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but my mom would eat fish from

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fish pedali which is the quick news out of what is now the lagoon which is having different from someone's Creek

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Yeah, I've heard the same like Auggie so that's it told me the same thing with clams Yeah, certain beaches unfelt thing that we're better known for certain types of clouds I can get the jack clams from here not from there it's good yeah

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some of my family

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after harvesting lots and lots and lots of sea urchins upon or to my family be very dry winter Sampson there's weather in the Gulf Islands meaning rectangle and

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they said that

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the urgence from the Gulf Islands was too salty

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because it because to reopen

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the country we're dilutes

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the water yeah, of course we do have a culture and

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culture which means you're

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in later on

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he would be a mid 50s

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You were cloud species and saucepan. Yeah. Okay. There's one particular

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it's kind of a larger be the clogs it was that big way but it's kind of slow. But there's a tiny little cabin in the inside the bay. Okay.

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The Urchins from there, Casey, Jake, and smelled like crap.

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But you go this way towards the narrow Partek very lame and they're all okay. But there he gets the water contaminated that just tasted and smelled like crap. The worst days England was really smelly. Yeah. Yeah. So I went there a few times potentially ruined back.

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We're thankful lucky

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African

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there be an Indian placing for the Kellogg park property area I haven't come across one I think this one might be from there that when we were talking earlier

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okay I mean

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seems like an important place or a significant place anyway

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so one of the elders

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What do you hear too close to there

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he doesn't notice something spiritual or do something underwater

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so we know

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that that he was camping and just taking on eight o'clock at night and here is his he didn't know what people are

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into Senator Wyden he didn't know where he's coming from

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our committee is doing it automates minimizing that soft soft drumming or something

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interesting

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so

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some continue to follow up with gloves

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yeah

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I'll give them the map where where he heard it

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yeah, they're that place

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gotten the boats

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as much as I can.

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Why

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okay

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this is artspring in part a crosshair and this is meant to be yeah

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somewhere near which point I don't know but somewhere but better point to the power line

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a flat rock

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I don't know if it's waters parted ways down

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is

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this electric cable

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so how would I do that cable I don't know. But it seems to be

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at least the size of

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somewhere there on the Vancouver Island side yeah

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just the usual rock any significance of this bar? Yeah.

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We can get into it tomorrow. Okay

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the Orca and how you spell the Indian

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webinar in the boat and kept my eyes open

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together when they close with each

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letter

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now

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it's an

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agricultural commodity and the elders would call it black fish. Yeah.

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Is how would you translate that in English literally? To give me an idea of the

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fruits of blackness. No.

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Can we do is that

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the whole

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the dorsal Yeah. Which part of it is out or just

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it's like you have an idea how the words work

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much and

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refers to the to the kind of the back

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now

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not sure of now would be

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Can I get into a condition? The condition will be around the condition

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or

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someone say

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much in some of the mess in front of it. Okay.

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Very few now

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going back in COVID machine with a long time ago, all the way

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which would be more talking about

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that condition at the back yeah

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yes, in some cases will refer to a condition

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that could cause

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some equity but in essence don't have to be hurt

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just because I just thought about it I've seen, like it was looking at, like a weird like Panella

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village name, and someone from Panella had a big spot and Ella has been

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here two stories

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from Kubrick.

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Spinoza produced the condition of being buried,

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and assayed.

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So one of the things we see that the condition is the house

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it's kind of buried in one side. So I think it could be an ego side, the house there and the hill. And over time,

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no, the ground is gonna reach downhill.

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Big build up now that side is kind of buried,

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spun out of the house.

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This will make it a condition condition very varied.

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The other one is

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a shoe tree.

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We know there's been limbs come down, such as the ground and eventually, over the years

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the boundaries became varied, probably even pick root entries. And the condition is that

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the branches are various but

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a hut

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refers to the side side of the house

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to say the three branches of a tree.

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That's interesting, because there's an origin story there, which you probably know about some of the first people of Cooper coming out from some logs on the beach cedar logs

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if there's a connection there

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at that logging

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Yeah.

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I'll just get some like older information than the most

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older

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older people yeah

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yeah, we're gonna be talking to him hopefully soon.

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So we do

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have to seven, I just want to ask are with the house, like we had, we were going to design a kind of a title page, picture buys. And we were wondering if we could get a logo from your band, like something that you identify? Could we use that and

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get permission? Yeah, I'll ask around.

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Because I know the different groups like say and how come you can 3d Group have you know, a couch and a certain symbol and an elephant and all the different and so we were just thinking it might be an interesting idea, like when we do our map of the island, the place names is to have some of these logos like you know, sort of in the rough area around the island. You know, get them just what we want to really do is just to educate people about the ancient history of the place.

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Just very quick information where I'm at

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I really believe we all need another different First Nations around here. The dragon as each other.

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What I'm leading to is

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Saanich claims like Fulford harbour

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they had a presence there.

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But we also had a presence out in the Gulf Islands or the James Island places. Okay.

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Souk had a presence in

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not bad scenarios, but that if you

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were the reservists named Luna

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and gave her on Oh, yeah. So she had a presence here. They had their permanent

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dwelling, or dwelling.

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Amo

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manga had a presence in

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Sedona

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On spot, not just a tiny spike

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but going to regen don't want to recognize that

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I see we should but in turn the number needs to recognize us in cases that

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Pepperidge lagoon we had a problem today

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I'm still working trying to get

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some of the oldest prescribed support.

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Here they hear me talk about

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sanitary in there but also called me back here and Saanich completely limestone all of that

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culture and it begins there

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near keep greater presence here in Santa

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Montego, many communities were there

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the reserve Park and beyond Me and Nick have one more area of main island, extra bass

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has many areas lined up alanda there is coaching, this is not an order. Maybe beach there should have mittens

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going in income parents point. The first place is Felix jacked base, college

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and then join his base in their

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safe begbies in their

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20s Be again, coaching the game and others proven autonomy once all alone in there, but the government of the day saw pitch to give it to

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the community's own net.

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Sell it? Yeah.

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Yeah, I think I mean, we were talking about this coming over. It's, you know, the Western impose governance system, which demands the sort of strict boundaries. And that's not the way it was now, in the old days. And I know that some my own family history in New Zealand, you know, it's family, and they would marry people from other families and then share the route, right.

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Am I correct in that? Like, so a man saved from keeper Island to marry a woman from Saanich? I mean, wouldn't they share the resource? Family? Yeah, yeah. And so, but today

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yeah. So when you when you have and even a lot of native people don't see that anymore. They forgotten.

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A lot of our names come from Annabella.

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Really, she? She shocked? Yeah, yeah. And risk presents both

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our names and a traverse leading to by name Charlie needs to be know the story. Tell where you're from or what you're what you're attached to. That's your test. Yeah. So a name could

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be associated with resources. Yeah. Places that you would go to get food. Chris Jean if you go back just a few years it's some commodity

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but for those that know. Wow. You must be rich. This team is connected to a witch talking about me. Connected to follow up watches samyama.

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Me and

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Jim connection

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that's so cool.

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Anyway, well, yeah.

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Very good. Thank you very much.

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