Salt Spring Island Sound Archives Project
Recorded at Bob and Dorothy Dodd's home at the end of Sharp Road, Ganges by Ruth Sandwell.
Robert Erskin b. 1919
Caroline Dorothy b. 1919
Dora Lassie Jennie Leakroft b.1913
|Accession Number||Interviewer||Ruth Sandwell|
|Date||August 8, 1990||Location||Home of Bob and Dorothy Dodds|
|Media||tape cassette||Audio CD||mp3|
Unknown Speaker 0:00
Today is Wednesday August the eighth 1990 and today I'm talking to Bob and Dorothy dots and Bob's sister Lassie dots at Bob and Dorothy's home on sharp road. My name is Ruth Sandwell.
Unknown Speaker 0:19
G what we'll start with is I think with you, Dorothy.
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Dorothy, become the Dorothy. My name is John Dorsey.
Unknown Speaker 0:33
Okay, so your family has been here the longest so
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yeah. When it started, it started. That's when he came. When did you
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your grandfather? Was it your
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grandfather? Yeah. And what was his name was? I see Yeah. Oh, Michael giants. Just forget about it. Yeah. Michael dies. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 0:55
So what do you have any idea what year that was?
Unknown Speaker 0:58
Was around 1860s. But I'm not exactly sure the date. The early 1860 Did he come with his wife? No, no, it was here first and email his wife later. Not too long, as far as I know. But through a friend and what was her name? Mary. Mary, Mary Ann like she was an Indian princess. Oh, yeah. cheeps a hail Moser blotter. Oh, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:32
So I guess this is the jobs and then it. Bob acre many acres and families here. You're the same.
Unknown Speaker 1:38
That's right. Mr. Zuckerman is my dad's sister. Okay. Okay. I'll make sure my got that. Got that. And then he had another sister Mary Brenton, too. So. And we all sort of grew up together in the valley down there. Whereabouts down Burger King Valley, because that's where my grandfather came. He preempted it was 150 acres. And that's where he settled it gave the increments their farm and he had his own farm and gave my dad his farm.
Unknown Speaker 2:08
So did you Was your dad born on the same place where he grew like? Did Did he? Was he born in the same place where he grew up? Right? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 2:17
Go for it. Yes.
Unknown Speaker 2:21
Okay, so that was your, okay, I'm trying to get this straight. So that was your mother's family. The jives So John's was on my dad's family. Okay, okay. I've got that straight. Yeah. Okay. So where your dad was then born on the island? That's right.
Unknown Speaker 2:43
And grew up in the valley. And he farmed down there. And he stayed with his mother and down until he got married. And then he got his own place. Where was that? Why didn't next door there was a gift from his dad.
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How many acres Did you
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know how many acres dad had a baa baa curls down there on the end in the belly?
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So what kind of farming? Did he did? He did he
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mixed farming. Yeah, he had animals, pigs, cows, chickens. And what kind of cows study of Holsteins and jerseys? Mostly?
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How many about to the hands? Oh, wow, we
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didn't have some any toward the end. But you know, when I was growing up, we had about six, I guess. And they had a lot more than that to start with. But you know, the farming never did pay, you have to help do something on the side to make enough money to farm. Like now.
Unknown Speaker 3:49
Yeah. So what did he What did he do? As well as the farmer you
Unknown Speaker 3:54
work on the road and anything he log or you know, it would be with the horse and so on. So whatever he could, you know, make a little extra money because farmed in vain off others. He had five daughters. So yeah,
Unknown Speaker 4:09
what were first of all, I don't think we heard your dad's name. Well, he's
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Mike Gize, too, but he will call Mike Gize. June okay. Yeah. Okay.
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And do you know when he was born,
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dad was born? No, I haven't got the year but he was born. I know. He's born in January. So he died in 1967 77. Yeah, about 75 or so I guess. Somewhere around there. So he goes back
Unknown Speaker 4:38
a long, long way to Yeah. So you kept did you keep sheep back in those days too? And
Unknown Speaker 4:44
no, he tried. He got that 200 acres up there by heparins on Fulford Hill, and he got fence but there was jealousy there. And every time he got the fence up, they'd burn it down. So he finally gave it up would burn it down. Well Well, it's, you know, I'm not saying Oh, you don't want to
Unknown Speaker 5:06
get people on the island, right?
Unknown Speaker 5:08
Yeah. Yeah, so we didn't go in, but I gave up on the sheep farming.
Unknown Speaker 5:17
So you kept pigs. Yeah, we
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had pigs and cows and chickens and because, you know, we had to work out but my grandfather was a carpenter that he had to. He didn't he had a clear plan to start with. Because there wasn't work. Yeah. And and that's why he got that land in the valley because it was tall, tall cedars over 100 feet high. And he wanted to, he made shingles and sold them in Victoria, like the Indians would vary them across to Victoria and sell them as well as their botter. And whatever else they had. Did he have a mill? And now he just, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 6:01
Lots of lots of work. Sorry. That was your grandfather. That
Unknown Speaker 6:05
was a senior Mike Johnson. Yeah, yeah. But my dad, he wasn't, he would do carpentry work, but he didn't do that to earn a living. He just did what you know, Canadian jack of all trades, so that whatever he could
Unknown Speaker 6:19
get, so what kind of logging did he do?
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That was what horse logging it would be? You know, just the horses would bring the logs down. So
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he would would he do it himself? Or did it for someone else? No. Do you take the logs off after Lanter?
Unknown Speaker 6:35
Yeah, the 200 acres bring it down to itself.
Unknown Speaker 6:39
Who would you sell it to?
Unknown Speaker 6:41
I don't really know who is on whoever was going wherever the milk people went Mills they buy them you know? Yeah. So any take it down and put them in the water and then you know, get it boomed and stuff. Take it out. Yeah. I don't think he had that much. I don't know. I don't know how they put him in somebody else's boom or whatever. Yeah, I don't
Unknown Speaker 7:02
think a lot of people doing that. Yeah, they're here and there. Yeah. Yeah.
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did you grow fruit down there too?
Unknown Speaker 7:13
Yeah, well, we had some fruit replacement didn't grow very well. It was sort of wet there. You know, it's an old I guess a bog you'd call it our Marsh or whatever. So cedars really cool though. Yeah. And one time these that church he came back and that was on fire. That's when he started to clear the land and go farming. So yeah, lost alive for cedars. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 7:40
So what else woody farm like I guess muddy take off
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hay and oh, yeah, lots of hay and that'd be barley and oats for his animals. And we always had a great pick up vegetable garden.
Unknown Speaker 7:53
Would you dare do that? Or would your mom or
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dad do the heavy work mom and do the hoeing and reduction help? The waiting? We all help?
Unknown Speaker 8:03
Yeah. So you'd five five girl. That's right.
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What were their names?
Unknown Speaker 8:07
Oh, there's start my oldest sister Bell. She's in the valley. And Sister Phyllis. She's over Callwood and surely Langford. Are they married? Oh, yes.
Unknown Speaker 8:18
Do you want it? Can you tell me what their their names are now?
Unknown Speaker 8:21
Phil says Mrs. Rasul Allah Rasul. And surely is Mrs. Chris Reese at Lankford. Dana is Mrs. Sanderson Ralph Sanditon in Vancouver, North Vancouver. Annabelle Giles is down there. She was an RN, she's single. And she still lives in mom and dad's place. The tour is now she has an awesome two acres. And we've just sold the the 40 acres that went with the house so a separate house and two acres are taken out and sold the restaurant.
Unknown Speaker 8:54
Just recently, yeah. Yeah.
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So you didn't have too much fruit down there. So
Unknown Speaker 9:01
no to know, we didn't go in for fruit with the vegetables. Did you just like grow as much as you could eat? Or did you sell any? Oh, we had mostly for ourselves? Yeah, you could sell some but we didn't usually resolve deals. We had big field potatoes. Really?
Unknown Speaker 9:16
How many acres of potatoes.
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You know, Dorothy Harris's place but three acres? Three. Yeah. So what are the kinds of vegetables would you grow there? Oh my God. Everything carrots
Unknown Speaker 9:29
turnips. Yeah. Serious. You couldn't go to a store and buy what
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you can for the winter and you know, put them in a roadhouse and so on and keep right payments we sold.
Unknown Speaker 9:43
Right so the preserving Did you pretty well?
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Oh yeah. We'd have to preserve everything. All the fruit we could get out. And the vegetables, meat, everything. What would you do
Unknown Speaker 9:54
with the meat? Can it Yeah. So you'd have the I guess you had you've sorted the
Unknown Speaker 10:01
salt yet. What? What else did we do with it? We had bacon. Actually, we didn't smoke it, but maybe, you know, and we had fish too. And
Unknown Speaker 10:13
you have to did someone else smoke it for you? Or? Well, my
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grandmother had a smokehouse over there, but we never had one. Yeah. So
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yeah, you did mention that
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my dad would put the potatoes out in the field and cover them with straw and dirt. It would be ventilated and then we'd use them during the winter and or sell them on the prices are better. And
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so what's our whole did you dig out a hole?
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Slightly? Yeah, it would have to be dry and so on.
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And just cover it up with straw didn't have a real fall for it or
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sometimes Yeah. Mostly. Yeah.
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And they'd keep pretty well. Oh, yeah. Like eat really well.
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We had lovely because there was jams mostly we grew up. Yeah, really? Well. It's good. Good farming.
Unknown Speaker 11:06
Excellent. Well, it looks so rich down there though. It
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is that whole valley. Yes. Yeah, it's just beautiful. So
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and so with the the pigs and chickens those were just for your own use. You didn't know
Unknown Speaker 11:19
we sold the pigs? Yeah, we we butcher them and sell them in Victoria. Yeah. Yeah, we sell the cows too sometimes and sell the calves and how would you
Unknown Speaker 11:31
get them over there? Did you sell to a wholesaler or just
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walk me out sometimes a buyer would come around or because we take them in to I don't know how we got demand freight I guess.
Unknown Speaker 11:45
Before the game you used to get quality last? Yeah. Yeah.
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Take it over on that and his launch. But
Unknown Speaker 11:56
yeah, mostly I remember the ferry so yeah. Where did you go to school? I went to school in the Valley for school. Yeah, we're going down. Yeah. Going school. Yeah. So it was just a one room school and eighth grades and we were like a family. There's only about seven or there's more than that at some times. But
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do you remember any of the people you went to school with? Oh, sure. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 12:28
Like, while they married? No. change their names right. You know, who was wearing curly and Oh, Laureen wakelam can eat and Leslie Mall? He's still on out. Yeah. So more girls and boys. Oh, yeah. Always. Every year there were Oh yeah, not too many boys. I guess it must have been pretty well, Karen says the girls there's two girls and two boys Sarah, Agnes and Margaret and Johnny and Billy.
Unknown Speaker 12:55
I guess there weren't too many new families coming onto the island. Now
Unknown Speaker 12:58
No. Seem to be once in a while there'd be somebody would come and then they go. But mostly the farmers they you know, right now. Right.
Unknown Speaker 13:11
Do you remember any of your teachers?
Unknown Speaker 13:12
Yeah, I remember Miss Moses and who else? Mr. Bradley. And I can't think of them right offhand. As being so first one. Alex Smith and different ones.
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So did you enjoy your school days? Yeah.
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We used to do play softball we get ready we'd have a sport state Ganges with all the other schools also all get together compete with each other well usually against Ganges rest of us with how to compete against Ghana
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but we enjoyed the recess at noon hour more than the school
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so how far how far was it from from where you live to where you went to school?
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quarter of a mile or half a mile? Yeah, so we want to know when we came home school we had to take turns going up the hill to get the cars would be another half a mile or so. And a lot of walking the other Bell and I take turns getting a separate one we're gonna get the cows the other one get the southern Yeah, caring about and same thing in the morning and up the milk costs are what school so you'd have
Unknown Speaker 14:31
to get up pretty early. Yeah. Yeah. We're many cars around
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either just perfect sidecar. Waldstein said wait for us because we'd always had these chores to do. Yeah, we enjoyed it.
Unknown Speaker 14:45
Yeah. Did the kids bicycle set?
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Yeah, some debt. Yeah. Mostly we want yeah, all of us.
Unknown Speaker 14:54
On the farm. Did you Did your dad use a tractor?
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Oh, we had all seven horses. Oh, Did he Did he always did he ever change over to tractor? No, but we didn't have a car later on? Yeah. What year about would you've gotten a car? Oh, it was in the 30s. Middle 30s I guess because he worked for the forestry later and he had to drive a truck. Get around.
Unknown Speaker 15:20
What did he do for the forestry? He became
Unknown Speaker 15:23
assistant forest manager. And he also was the lookout, Ranger. Yeah, Ranger assistant Ranger. He acted Ranger too, but I don't know whether he ever was officially arranger. It might I mean, I thought he was. Yeah, he might have me. And then he was to look out. Max Musgraves might not Bruce. That was years and years. Go out in the summertime and and stay up there. And they come back on the weekends, just for the long evenings and go back up.
Unknown Speaker 15:55
Well, yeah. What do you have to pack up his own food? And oh, yeah, yeah. It was tough. Yeah. And lonely.
Unknown Speaker 16:03
Hey, didn't get anybody to substitute form anything I got. I did good. have days off. And then I got so I guess you didn't see too much of him during that know, we grew up and my sister and I and Keaton company, but we still only up there. We didn't stay very long. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 16:18
So did your mom run things back down on?
Unknown Speaker 16:22
Yeah. Well, he'd be back to you know, once a week at least once a week once or twice a week.
Unknown Speaker 16:27
Did you have Did you have anyone else to help you on the farm? Like did you help people or
Unknown Speaker 16:32
we did have a foster boy there for a while. And I was quite young, but he didn't stay too long. So
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So did you use to do all the work like say at hangtime? Did you hire anyone then? Oh, yeah,
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they'd help the neighbors would help each other.
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Did they get paid? Or did they just trade off trade off?
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Yeah. And that also thrashing they don't help each other.
Unknown Speaker 16:58
Did you have did everybody buy their own equipment for the sale? Sale ended? You
Unknown Speaker 17:05
know, I don't remember baling but you know, for the barley in the outside have to thrash it out. So it was already around 20 go around to all the neighbors and all the neighbors would fall with it. Thrasher. And so get it over
Unknown Speaker 17:22
30s There wasn't any money, period. Yeah. Well, I don't think we ever had to withdraw between our fingers. Yeah, so you didn't have the money to buy that? You just made do with like, yeah, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 17:34
Wow. Yeah. So was was Lloyd Reynolds, the only person on the island who had that? I think so.
Unknown Speaker 17:39
Yeah. I don't know. But the other part of the island were Fulford See, in those days, there weren't cars. And he didn't really know what's going on the rest of the Yeah, we knew what's going on at
Unknown Speaker 17:51
corporate but not That's it not up at the end. Yeah, no, it's just too far. What was the road? Like? There?
Unknown Speaker 17:56
wasn't too bad. No. Gravel? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 18:02
But to go to forfeit, and so you didn't.
Unknown Speaker 18:06
Oh, it didn't take very long to forfeit because that's only about three miles. No, no, I mean, from here. Oh, from here. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 18:13
Well, you didn't know the other end of the island.
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I guess you get together once in a while for school things and
Unknown Speaker 18:21
what do you mean? Oh, call? Yeah. Later on. Yeah. Yeah. And they put on concerts don't fall for it for us and, and my grandparents lived up in the north end. So but once or twice a year? Go up there. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All Dates. I think my dad leave us up there. And then it comes out and gets toward the end of the week or something like that. So
Unknown Speaker 18:42
it was difficult. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I didn't really understand how the two different parts of the island were so so different. Now. It's just you know, you get in the car and you drive. Yeah, everybody's mentioned how it's so it's really different. A different world, different people, different friends and
Unknown Speaker 18:59
my sister and I, we batched again, Jesus went in high school, there weren't too many going to school and do homeschool. And we go home on the weekends. Where did you stay? And we had a little shack down there. Right where the where the clinic is? A clinic right there. Right near to the school. And we try and get arrived down right give us a ride sometimes but usually when early so we just walk. How long did that take you? A long time. It's a long walk.
Unknown Speaker 19:37
So we're gonna ride up at the Creamery truck on Monday. So that was a How
Unknown Speaker 19:43
did you when you have the cows on your farm? Did you take the milk with the cream to the creamery? Was it picked up?
Unknown Speaker 19:48
Yeah, it was picked up. Yeah, that was pocket money. Um, you don't remember how much it was? There too much that we go into every month. But in those days money was worth a lot more.
Unknown Speaker 19:59
Yeah. So they would pay you money, they wouldn't pay you in butter or anything. No, we'd get our
Unknown Speaker 20:04
butter but there was always money over. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 20:11
Now what I should do is ask
Unknown Speaker 20:14
Bob and Lassie about theirs and then we can talk about when you were married. Okay, so we'll start with you guys now and and we'll start in the same way. Why don't you tell me about when your family first came to the island?
Unknown Speaker 20:29
Well 95 dad's dad was teaching at the Central School, I think it was. Where did he come from? Oh, he came from England. He'd been Cambridge. And he's a graduate. Yes, he's very good. And he went to he came out and then he stopped farming. And he got a job working for me remember the difference? Because and old Gibbons went way for some reason Left Dead in charge. And he had to change them. And they used to have to fill the key. He had contract to supply one of the pieces in Victoria with work. So they tend word that the bad cop was up and then dad used to drive this team horses down with the word and then when they weren't when he wasn't busy, and when it was when he got busy. Clearly big fields. I think it's known for the state has done already. Yes. This is Yes, outside Duncan.
Unknown Speaker 21:40
It's you know why he came to British Columbia. Do you? Have you heard about it? Or did he know people here?
Unknown Speaker 21:45
My grandfather dogs had a friend and Mr. McAfee this name now. He was a businessman. And then England was when he said you couldn't you couldn't make money in England, and he was always a sort of. He likes to do things, you know, and I think he will respect to crap for it. So he came he came out to Canada and he was in Victoria for a while and got these jobs and he worked for Caulfield, who had 70 Halston. But did he do? He used to have Oh, everything on the news tech, not these Holsteins by hand? Like morning, he was another person or the service. He was working for Mr. Cofield. And he Yeah, he can't enjoy the farm.
Unknown Speaker 22:51
Life. Had he done anything of that sort. When he was in England, it was just a complete change for Amazona definitely taught school.
Unknown Speaker 22:59
He decided that he needed to make more money and things and he got a job. He was teaching at the Michaels school, yes, Collegiate School in Victoria for a while. And then when Nikki when they got married, they came over to Saltspring. He got the job at the North Sofia school.
Unknown Speaker 23:19
What was his wife's name? Your mom's?
Unknown Speaker 23:24
And she Yeah, Grandpa became out in 1890. Something was the gold rush, because and then he taught them that Milby. This is your mother's father. Yes. And they had the six cows and mother had complete charge to them. She used to knock them and clean stables and help my grandmother with housework.
Unknown Speaker 23:52
Were they from England to her portfolio? Originally? Yes.
Unknown Speaker 23:57
Uncle Ted and Uncle Brooke, Uncle Ted was a surveyor and Uncle Dick. They were out first in Korea. And grandfather came up to see them so on and then he, I suppose he heard about the standard millbay But anyway, that was fine. It really,
Unknown Speaker 24:17
it ended up Yes.
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Oh, damn, it does.
Unknown Speaker 24:22
Yeah. Well, it was a curse. Did you have to pay tax on that?
Unknown Speaker 24:25
Yeah, yeah. Wilkinson road is named after your uncle's
Unknown Speaker 24:29
uncle. Yes. Wilkinson road is named after they got a bright idea. They thought they could make a lot of money. There were a lot of horses or cows and things in those days. They thought they got these animals you know, when they were destroyed to see and had them out there and turn them into privatize them. But of course, didn't work out that way because Oh, Good idea. Uncle Ted, he was one of the something to do with the survey. And he was one of the referees, I think when there used to be any rounds over lines, thinks use a very good survey.
Unknown Speaker 25:23
A survey data. Part of it, I guess.
Unknown Speaker 25:26
Yeah. And by the way, I don't know this. Yeah. This is interesting, that tropical valley that he found up on the north end of Vancouver Island. Now, I've got another line on that Gary cat was talking to an island. I don't know. I can't think of his name. He said that he knows that place. And he wants to get a hold of us and have a talk about and have a look at it. It's a tropical Valley. Someone asked me where? I don't know. Yes, but Vancouver rounds a vast Island if you'd love to fly by flown over many times in the forest, like we have to go through all the sacred pieces. And you go for hours flying and flying. And as far as you can see, it's a nice place. beautiful valley.
Unknown Speaker 26:11
Volcano you can pray over.
Unknown Speaker 26:15
You know, I I'd love to get up there and see what
Unknown Speaker 26:21
Africa used to tell us about this. And that will warm springs and I believe
Unknown Speaker 26:29
it's called the West Coast. That's hot. I've been in Bullitt Virginia, and I think
Unknown Speaker 26:35
the fish boats and things used to go in there too.
Unknown Speaker 26:41
So do he worked serving with
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obeying all over all over British Columbia? Well,
Unknown Speaker 26:47
most of Vancouver Island you see was undeveloped and needed surgery.
Unknown Speaker 26:53
So you How did your parents meet?
Unknown Speaker 26:57
Oh, well, mother was a friend of the cornfields and dad was working for the cornfield. And when mother used to take grandfather's horses up to get them showed up at Duncan, which was where they used to get them shot. She used to stop in the coop etc. And that's where we met. And then later on, that came down and he was working with Uncle Brooke them getting the wood.
Unknown Speaker 27:25
What wood for firewood?
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Well, I suppose to be I don't know some kind of
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church and then they
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do remember it. Do you know what year they got married to remember?
Unknown Speaker 27:49
When they came to the island, they got married and they came looked on. Your mother came over. And
Unknown Speaker 27:55
they dad taught Central School and at first they stated Mrs. Stephens boarding house for a while both of them together. Oh, yes. And then they managed to we that was up there. Mary goes. And then Mr. Ernest cropped. And he had a sheep shed right across the road from the school. So they record that from him. And mother was very good at fixing things up. And so it was then and they had it very, very comfortable. And that Mother said it was the nicest thing because they had come over and the kids used to come over and they they had a lovely time and then some dumb clock went and said to order in Scotland it was disgraceful. Renting a sheep shed. And so he told me the story they do move. Oh, no. And mother dead broke the cross.
Unknown Speaker 28:49
Can you tell me where that school was exactly? Like say in relation to the central hall? Was it next?
Unknown Speaker 28:56
Houses just north of the of the hall? Yep. Right. Right in the same place. Okay. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 29:05
So they were across the street from that. It was just
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right Daisy. And it was very nice. And they had a piece down syllabus for awhile. They rented and they rented where Dr. Andrus is the year had that rented for a while and they bought the base of Mary's lake.
Unknown Speaker 29:24
And we're on St. Mary's Lake is a
Unknown Speaker 29:27
well thought what a house is now what
Unknown Speaker 29:29
is on the north end. You know, that piece makes up the north end. We had on that piece. 22 acres. The end last year 12 mother dead book 10.
Unknown Speaker 29:41
Yes, well, five owners thought he got the upper piece he thought and as long as Lauren the baseline came right through to see halfway and didn't miss. He thought he came down to the lake. And Mr. Mahaffey, I think he went and he saw that this five acres below that Mr. Sampson drum, we got down as far as the baseline, you see. So he got hold of it. And they built house and so forth and so on. I think Mahaffey did that. Well, then dad bought that and misters it was Sampson sold him the other five acres. So we had 10 acres,
Unknown Speaker 30:24
mostly still teaching,
Unknown Speaker 30:26
teaching the taught up on Thetis the divine taught up in the cranberry
Unknown Speaker 30:34
and the divine.
Unknown Speaker 30:36
Yeah, and the kids, the some of his pupils years and years and years they did, they did sort of a reunion thing, which is very nicely took him to separate the cabinet.
Unknown Speaker 30:56
We weren't quite as mobile as this lower Echelon down at Burger King, you know, I call it burger in its forefoot. I can mount more than once, Dad last year, and I was put on the field sides
Unknown Speaker 31:33
we cleared tackle 51234. But the two two children know Bill, but they left earlier because time to damn hard. And they I guess they realized too that they're eating one thing or another. So they try to get jobs outside and build he went back east harvesting time and I guess he he liked it back there. The people on the prairie mobile friendly that's a friendly and down here or anywhere? Oh, they're so friendly. They've talked to a rattlesnake. Those people up there. How could you not? But anyhow, they left and then of course it just means last year. We used to pick them up last night down the ground. wrassling Skookum I pitched against her and so helped me she'd run around. Zach rose in the forest. She'd run around, pitching all day, up onto the wagon, and she'd run around. Fun Bob killed me. But I ran around to that guy. Every once in a while if you stick a pitchfork, she'd stick the tines into the ground. She's sticking a little bit too much. We take the whole down, take up your pitch side by up to two ends with a copy to work. And she goes a little bit to find the ground pitch for Calibri
Unknown Speaker 32:59
terrible now it's a serious matter. But oh yeah,
Unknown Speaker 33:02
that's what I disliked. Oh, I couldn't stand it after you put after you've got you've been hanging all day right on the lake. We have Lake frontage, beautiful lake and we're just drowning in sweat and everything. That damn horse you had to go and rub him down and get him fed before you went to the lake. Yes. And in the morning. You had to get up and feed that damn horse before you got breakfast
Unknown Speaker 33:32
when mother used to bring yourself a little cup of tea and a piece of bread jam, you know in the field in the afternoon we were working outside and everything homemade bread. Yes. Homemade Bread, homemade jam, gorgeous stuff. And all Tom always had his little piece of bread and jam his little couple of sips of tea out.
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We will he was a valuable asset.
Unknown Speaker 34:00
You didn't have practices elsewhere. You didn't have practice.
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You had the one? The one horse then? Yes, we
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had one. Or did we have to have one?
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We had a light heavyweight? That was fun. I had big. I think we had to we had you they have what they called like heavyweights. And they were they be like pickup truck. You could do a lot of work with them. And you didn't try to break them because that was too heavy for them. But they could do an awful lot of foot work. And you could drive them and if they hadn't been working we were allowed to ride them. You know? Because you ever go to
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so you all the time your dad was teaching and you also were working on the land 10 digit fruit.
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Yes, that was something that the early settlers used to do when they came in the Can you see because because the fruit and there was quite nice orchard on the piece. Not a job one, but it has
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and they always plan King apples and grabbing students and they go really well on the court. So delicious.
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And we had the golden, they kept the wonderful keepers. And then they had two huge walnut trees. And we had a jar jam windstorm. It was really terrific. And it blew the water tree over. The one I think was okay. But the big one went over. And dad was absolutely heartbroken over it. And you know, it's sort of uprooted, you see. And we were asked out this was just before Christmas, this happened. We were asked out to New Year's for somebody to lunch or something. And when we came back, Mr. Johnny wins and was just Martin and Sampson and Benjamin would come over. And Mr. Johnny winds had a stamp on it. And they raised this tree up and John winds had a lot of the lines and cables and they fastened it securely. Well, you know dad was very touched to think they do this for now they would think he wouldn't take
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Yeah, but the blessing kept on produce
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because the seeds bloom the uprooted. Oh,
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so they just packed it back in. Yes.
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And they got it back in and then there's the shoulders all up the piece cables until its roots Got down again. And the this hot pan is fairly close to the surface and that means the trees don't go down all that deep. And so they don't have that authority. And they did that.
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blew the roof off the chimney down
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on the roof did you have
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the chimney went down because it broke off inside? Lastly, that dumb Jackass went up there with blown like how long? It was it was Tony No. We heard a crash and that dumb Jackass went up into the attic. It was the old face and just went up in the attic. There's a crack in the chimney. I know and obviously they have to deal with Yeah.
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You see and they were pretty subdued down.
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So we went up look see we just got up there and blew off. Broke the rafters and everything. We didn't get heard of anything. But I'm telling you so to chime in and come down who steps on important
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steps to install did a lot of damage. There was an awful lot that. Really? Yeah. We thought it was quite exciting. You're watching the big waves coming up to date and everything. And then the trees started coming down the great big trees way over and then all of a sudden you realize there was an awful lot of power loose.
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You didn't have no you didn't. You didn't have weather forecast. You didn't have radios. And I don't know when we got the first radio.
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Oh, I don't know. About 1938
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Did you ever have electricity on that place?
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That was after we were married? Yes.
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What about plumbing
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so did you get Did you in that house when you were a child? You didn't even get the cold water didn't come in to you?
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We put the cold water in no I can easily remember it but I just for him not too far before we made a pitch to spark pump we put in scholary for mother that was most beautiful. Yeah, well I bet it was. Water. Yeah, we used to carry the water. Yeah. Oh yeah. We
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love the good old hair washing on the scrub bar. And then when and now it can then work in me wanted to get her washing machine so I think as far as that room
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she took pride in her washing and she took great pride in her canning and all the steps she put up you know,
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so you'd preserve you preserve everything to like
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did you keep any chickens or pigs?
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chickens, pigs, cows goats? No didn't have goats.
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Goats at first I think mother and dad got cows because we had the cream It was more profitable.
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How your mother raised you to be very thankful for what you did and all that.
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Oh, yeah, that was something your parents? Well, our parents didn't those days, they make quite little to do about things you did you know now that's pretty good. You know, that's very nice. And I used to Mother You we used to get our flour in 100 pound sacks, and nothing stick the hassle sacks. I used to watch them and do and help them I used to make her kickoff. And when anybody has come now coffee, tea, coffee, pure, austere. And when we were reading all this wonderful job, and you talk, take pride in what you did.
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Or you thought that you are a big part of the wheel. They made sure that you felt that you were part of the wheel.
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What else would you do around the house? Did you do I mean around here? Did you do hoeing? weeding?
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Picking stones? Did you have
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good bread? Yes, I was taught me things like that, that we had that we were taught to take pride in what we did. And we were also taught that it was important that what we did was important, and we felt you know, we didn't get along without us. And I don't believe we could it sounds to me to feel that way. Absolutely. And I think that's what some of them are short of these days, you know, is something to feel important about
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something else, too. They taught us I can always remember dad, especially on my left, son, he said, I've taught you principles. And he said I demand that you stand by those principles. Regardless, unless they can prove to you to your satisfaction that you're wrong. Then he said, bow down. Please, unless that's up to you stand by your principles. And that's something they're not teaching you
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as things went along.
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But then in all fairness to you know, we saw a parents that have a lot more than the kids do now. Is working is a pet peeve of mine, and my mom's working
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because your mom worked pretty hard. No, no, no. Yes. No, but they were there.
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That's right. But I think that that was something easier for the kids and there were things for you to do. I mean, there was so much work. I mean, we had responsibilities.
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That's right. You always you get your butt kicked.
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What that's right.
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I had to keep this later now. I had to keep the woodshed full of wood by the farm and you got sweet sweet yeah but it taught you responsibilities
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and you barely can build used to have to see that mother had enough water in the house. But
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remember now I can build a No
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Where did you get your water? Did you take it?
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You had a spring it was a spring spring
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very interesting when we had BZ about five six times yeah and we had a cooler in the house we didn't have fridges or anything like that we had a big cooler in there with Windows mesh over them you know come at the bottom go up the top door into the house yeah took all of them honey out of there and put them in the in the cooler and everything else go offense hot inside the veils when the guy was over this door just you and I know just you and I just you and I just found but anyhow and you have honey excluded. Goes right on throws the honey out. Can you say for combs he says do not make the next year had all started nice go. Oh, let's have a cup of tea. Yeah, sure. I can remember hearing this furious buzzing you know, and you're always a little bit worried when you got bees that were swarming. So I can remember saying the last year to this day. It's so stupid hard to remember that you know. Here's something and we went outside and look around and you hear these little these little found a hole in the mesh and made me that every damn pound out of that stupid thing back into the
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Why they didn't have collisions? I don't know. They're just different like that. 1000s of them. Oh, no. I sat down and I cried and everything else and yet you've got to take your hat off to them.
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No. So I had to go out and do it all over the windows 10
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They used to have God bees because when you were doing the Hey, just blow the hive. That would be single To
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sit down hard, oh,
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they've been really hard stimulus danger comes in the
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you know, the big run,
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they haven't got in there hi. And they stuck to death. See, and then they couldn't get dealt. Because there's so they covered it with smell.
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I mean, that's that's thinking. They think together you know? Yeah. I want to ask you just a little bit more about about your house and back when you were a child. So are you quite a bit older than then Bob? No, fine. I'm the baby. Okay.
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Well, five years finally.
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Yeah. So where did you go to school?
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Oh, the North End school. They weren't all that fussy over schooling. And because they had been a teacher, he could teach me quite a bit to then teaching. I went out I was under him up at Theatreland. But he, we had Miss Gardner and I had Miss curl and I had Miss Adams.
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This is here
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in school, yes. And they were very good. Discipline was quite strict. Miss Gardner. You didn't get ROI. Well, wasn't Miss Gardner, your dad's pupil. Educator. Oh, I can't remember that because
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she was up there and
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Charlie Gardner's daughter, they had a piece up in the crowd and she was she may have been because that part of the crowd
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you imagine walking up there is a shortcut. But he stayed up there during the week. He just went up there on that Monday morning. Like, where would he stay? Mr. godness.
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John, where Mr. Goss John Rogers had a piece up
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there and then your dad went to teach it Thetis Did you
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Oh, that was quite a bit later in the quarter Thetis for a while and then the doctors told him that he should be doing active work. And that's dead growth.
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So what did he do? Did he come back and work on the farm?
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He worked at he worked on the road you got a certain amount that you're wrong crap come through and rock crushing to us? Yes, he worked on the rock crusher used to crack rock with the big steak hammer and push the rock up with a barrel the bunkers bow roads are terrific with the craft rock
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and so when you went when did you finish school? Did you go to the high school and Ganges No,
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I never went to school that taught me at home mother and dad taught me at home but we only went to your miss because
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you went by box
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box correspondence forms or something?
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Dad taught us a lot to see and I never really liked school was always nice
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when I had to get up in the heartbeat and get out
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work you know so did you dad have so you did the correspondence courses? Or did you just more or less
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yes and then dad that was pretty good
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teacher and just because your little pets Oh didn't work
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there now. If anything when we will complete them mostly and he would be more severe with us then he wouldn't be with the rest of them you see because of course he must be favorite
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where we've seen a string refer
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and as one of the people stoled me afterwards years afterwards he said Mr. Dobbs taught you think this view also taught you you know your lessons and things being said he taught to think as well.
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And also, you know, not that I'm overly religious I have my ideas and everything else I tried to be he didn't have Sunday school he didn't teach religion but by I think he's more example. His attitude towards it and things like that. When you came out of there you are quite I'm not saying you're religious nut or anything like that. But you had a fundamental or basic understanding of religion and things like this, you know? And I think this is where we're gonna stray today. Well, I'll
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talk to you a little more. The books and the readers and things hadn't really
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used it up. Oh, yes.
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And you've said the Lord's prayer every morning.
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No setback like I have known St. Louis Burke was disrespectful. His actions and I think this is a trouble today. I think that is that he wouldn't last five minutes. He wouldn't even because you got cane. You know, there's bad maths. And this is good. I think you knew that could happen. You aren't little perfect. But here
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was very important. That the example and the attitude towards all these things. Now that taught me something that a lot of people don't seem to have. And I've been quite surprised when you went through when he was going somewhere. And if he went along with him as you went along. Now you see that lovely flower there. Now that is a weed, and it's a very beautiful thing. And he keeps showing you these beautiful things as you went along. And I found when I was going hiking in everything, I would be looking for all these beautiful things. Because you see I don't have to do neck with dad.
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But all in all, there's a hell of a happy life. We didn't know anything, did you? But I think maybe we had more than what we thought we had to.
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Yeah. Oh, we did.
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Did you so after so you didn't go to school but as you got older you like teenagers and older you stayed stayed with your parents. Were you two brothers. Two brothers
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went off to work.
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delivering papers for the colonists they very good people to work for. What was it called miles I think on the old bicycle. And there's nothing wrong with that you did fine. The only trouble was the collecting because quite often, you had to click once a month you're supposed to you see and you go down way down to somewhere to collect Oh, I haven't got the change. Damn one. Oh, I can't be bothered they can you come back. And you will talk the Congress man told you when he came up now you must remember, you are the sort of the front end man up here. And you got to give a good impression. Everything you see you must, you know, be polite. See the papers are on time and all the rest of it. So you did. But it was very nice. And when Christmas time came around now they tell you there's no Christmas spirit. Well, that's a bunch of baloney. When any other time if you mate with paper in the eye and prayed was perhaps be late coming in with paper or something. Somebody standing there, glowering when you turned up there today, aren't you and so you so you've got so that when you came up, you be racking up the island freight was so late today, I'm so upset. Well, when Christmas time came around, you couldn't do anything wrong. No, and you find the boss would you consider yourself to accept 25 cents instead. And they were so nice for Christmas Day. And since Christmas time was over. They cracked the whip and told me the same thing he said it to be late with their freight, go wrong with a freight that he used to deliver the papers coming up from forefoot and throw them up. But he said you do anything wrong with their papers. And he said they're down on you like everything. And I found that but it was very good training. Wonderful discipline.
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So how long did you work for them during that?
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Seven years I think then I got measles. And I had to pay somebody to do it for me. And then I decided to give it up because I could get I was working part time at the hospital the CBO wouldn't things and the old hospital and cleaning and such. And so I could put in a few more hours there. And so I gave up the papers. So that was the old lady mentor. You were ready. The old lady Michelle. Yes. When did you start
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working there? Oh, can you know?
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and earning four Ladies, yes,
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it was up the old hospital and then we moved to new hospital.
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You were mentioning Bob that there wasn't fair, you know that you didn't really like money wasn't a really important part of the economy here. Did that change after the depression? Like after the war? We think,
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Oh, well, yes, yes. Once the depression was over, of course it loosened up, but I don't think money was that valuable even then.
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Yeah. Why? Money became
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I would venture to suggest maybe it's because I'm getting older now and more senile or cynical noise. But I think money has become too much but God no, I think so. It's often nice to have both ways. You can
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have money you see.
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When we got married, we had what 20 bucks on
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When did you get married?
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In the 40s 60 years
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ago? 50 years ago?
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50 years next year? Yeah. 50 years. How did you meet?
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Oh, can I know this guy? Mrs. Jones. That's Dorothy Mommy used to babysit bill or somebody everyone smile I guess so. She knew us all. He knew most of the people anyhow. But anyhow, I was working logging up on most games and I came down to just black soap and it was a boring rant. And I was in a car. I went I was staying out fourth and in the bunkhouse and says I went around St Paul's church down there. Is this back home back in the sweater and she was in predominated rap. And I knew her just vaguely knew who she was like I didn t turn around pick her up because she'll get pneumonia turned around. And the dumb Jackass starts arguing with me that she doesn't go to take right to strangers it's all for God's sake I said your mother babysat me and died from the night they get in I'm tired and cold and wet Mary so anyhow I took her home now and all the rest of the game we read and Mr. Guides and they well would you give them back with separate Bobby They always come piping oh thanks very much so I went back got changed and came back up to the house and here the greens were stinking house and I was always taught you down on eat what's put in front of you otherwise I wouldn't have eaten them you know and they're so nice. And this guy she had conniving you see you guys are conniving don't get me me walked up the nicest apple pie you get whipped cream fresh whipped cream you know on tava
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was also a very very nice and very very attractive.
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Oh yeah, sir.
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Only my cooking
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so where did you guys live when you first got married
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we weren't there very long
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right. And two days after the week after we got married. We got married and Sunday night I came down.
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Summertime and then by before Christmas. They you know they were calling the man up.
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No, no but where I went to Park Bailey from there. I got fired. I told the boss we had three trucks and you never knew which I'll track you again. And then go over nine o'clock you got another feeling all right. So I dumped the download off off the roadway and Nathan that did it. And of course unfortunately my nerves are shot to hell am I was mad because I'd be better you come to the boss. All three of us have been begging to leave us alone just put us in one truck and leave us that I don't care what but anyhow, no, no, you got to be worth So anyhow, unfortunately, I met the boss just after I had my nose all shut down at dollar mark. But I didn't get fired. random drop down to the bathroom. Took my time. Right around. Yep. So I've never been fired. But damn, this is about a week after you're married and here and my responsibility is to my wife and everything else. So enough to qualicum Park ability. He was no logging would you work for a rabid dog and they hate each other's guts. Oh, rabid dog. Something something something out there. Talk rough in those days. Yeah, what happened? Oh, and that's what I told him. Is pick up number 87 In the morning you're on. Oh, I gotta kiss it. Except you said that moment. Okay, but anyhow, so then, but no, I was going to tell you we got married. I came down and got the job up there and came down, picked it up Sunday morning. It came in on Saturday night, picked those up Sunday morning, went down to Victoria got married down there, roared up to the parks where I would work at five o'clock next morning. No know that guy there
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that the country is at war, then they're calling the man up. Yeah.
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So did you? Did you? Yeah, I got called up. And I went over, I went down to see the recruiting office guy that died on whether it was no, no. Oh, yes. Yeah, they're looking for me, sir. Because I was young and crazy. And everything off my feet. If I go into the army identity overnight, I'm sure because I was I had nice recommendations on my boss's ability to drive and also my cat. But it didn't say anything on the papers about service car, so don't go to hell. But anyhow, then got caught up and I went overseas, and while I was here for a while, and then I went overseas and came back.
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stayed until Bobby was born, didn't you? Because Doris wanted you with him? At that time? I think it was something like that. Then you went overseas, and you were in England. And you were in Holland? Prior?
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I think so. Did so you obviously stay Where were you that I
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was my mother and dad and when he was around? He did go overseas for a while. Vancouver went over there and as up at Verdun when he took his training. And I didn't go to Prince Rupert or the US or the Queen Charlotte out. So I stayed thrust on my mom and dad.
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Well, you just you're helping them out on their place still. Yeah, well, we
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had the we had our oldest son and daughter two. What are their names? Bobby And Marie. And Marie was a baby when dad left for England and she was walking when you came back.
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And then Donna, Valerie Dubois wouldn't have it any of them. Love more dependable citizens.
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So where did you live when you came back? Finally after you moved here? No, you
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were in that criminal case?