Salt Spring Island Archives
| Accession Number | |||
| Date | October 2020 | ||
| Media | digital recording | Audio | mp3 √ |
| duration | 88 & 14 min. |
442A_Ken-Sampson_First-Nations_Fernwood-Area_Oct-2020.mp3, 442B_Ken-Sampson_First-Nations_Fernwood-Area_Oct-2020.mp3
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Part One
Part Two
Part One
Unknown Speaker 0:03
It's October 2 2020. I'm going to be going for a walk with Ken Sampson in the Fernwood area at his old farm
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he's just gonna pick me up in his truck
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boy this is a pretty slick looking truck can very nice. I've got my recorder going. Oh yeah, we can catch all your words of wisdom morning. Oh, see what you can do. It's a beautiful morning. It is.
Unknown Speaker 1:02
We'll go down to that farm road that ends up in there. Okay, and then I'm not walking through the wet grass. Oh,
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so all this long here from the dock all the way down. Going to the right of the dock was all the Samson property
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years and years ago. That was first settlement. How
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far did the frontage go down the road here?
Unknown Speaker 1:25
Right to where the grass ends. You'll be able to see when we get down. Okay. All right.
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Was it this big when you were a kid? Had it already been divided up that it
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was divided? All that ends their road here
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that road right there. We're gonna see that fire hydrant that was there. Oh,
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okay. That's a good marker for me. All right. I'll make a note of that. That little turnover on the right hand side. Okay, good to know. So Can Can I have your permission now that we started Can I have your permission to record our talk today? Okay, thank
Unknown Speaker 2:25
you so we're just gonna head up this little side road off of Fernwood road. So is this an official driveway at some time?
Unknown Speaker 2:39
While people have bought it, they punch this in. Okay. And that runs right up through to Sampson road.
Unknown Speaker 2:46
Oh, that's nice. Right. So how big is the acreage that's left now here? Used to be
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660 61 Harold sold it and then it was divided. Cut down again.
Unknown Speaker 3:03
And was Harold your brother? Right. Okay. So, just for the sake of the history, let's start at the beginning. So your grandfather you can explain?
Unknown Speaker 3:15
Yeah. Grandfather settled here in 1859. And what was his name? Henry. Henry Sampson. He came up from Kent on the Norman Morrison. Okay. And when they got here, when he came here, I think they stopped. Walkers hook and then they had to walk the beach along to here. And
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had they already predetermined that this was going to be where they would settle. Oh, yeah.
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I kind of think he was over a little bit earlier not to check it out. Get set up for where he wants to settle.
Unknown Speaker 4:01
Do you have the impression when he came? You said they got off at Walker hook. So would there have been a few of them? Oh, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 4:07
I'm not sure what the names the other ones were but look it up I guess. Yeah.
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And was he married at that time? Or
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did he later married out here?
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Do you have any idea how he met Lucy? Is that that was your god
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trait? Yeah, well, he was working up and down the coast. I guess somewhere along roadie matter
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she was practically neighbor because where was it? Was it Lucy pizza? Yeah. Now
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so and they had 11 Children 1313 or missing
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14. One. We're going to see the 14th up here was a grave site right
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and And now we get this state was this the 13th So there was this was the family that was mostly girls
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great loving girls. The rest of the boys
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and then in your generation it flipped, right? Not amazing.
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Boys. Two girls
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No wonder your family reunions are so
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huge right
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so all this must be really familiar territory to you right?
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So all around through here
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so Henry had the property any idea how big the property was when Henry and Lucy had it went right from
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the war right through to the top road. Right then cut across to the lake. Oh, in the neighborhood of 300 acres.
Unknown Speaker 5:53
And how much did they clear in their time? Just this field here on our right
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right then the next one up top here
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would it taken a number of years here all that space
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what do you think this would have been heavily treed with for a long time?
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Could you tell by the old stumps used to be around here
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does it feel familiar when you walk here now?
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It's a little heavier bush here that used to be the undergrowth right here. This was all through here. Okay,
Unknown Speaker 6:38
let me just get a picture that was that first okay so this thing think this would have been the first field that was clear
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I think one we're heading up to would be I believe because that's where the house was
Unknown Speaker 7:09
get some good photos of you today. Oh good luck. I give it a shot or two
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so this is the second field that was cleared here that we see that's closer to the water
Unknown Speaker 7:26
Yeah, yeah, that's where the the gate is down over there where the sawdust pile is right.
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So they've been doing a bit of logging Do you think
Unknown Speaker 7:36
no, they they hold some logs in Oh Milgrom up
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now what about this water this way here?
Unknown Speaker 7:45
This is new. Because this is always wet in through here. I guess you're taking advantage of the water.
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So they've dug a bit of a pond or something
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so Henry and Lucy had it and then did it did the property pass directly from them to your father Chester's
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except for this 60 acre spot Harold had done because he was the only boy born or the only one born when my grandfather passed away. Oh, I see. Then Dad had the rest.
Unknown Speaker 8:26
So your your father was born after I got the look that up. Chester. Okay. Oh, I see.
Unknown Speaker 8:33
Yeah, he was the youngest right of Henry's boys. Okay.
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So the two boys ended up with the property. Nope.
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The other one was killed up in Port Alberni in an accident logging so just Chester
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sad for the family to lose that boy right of course I've got a bit of an incline here about words right.
Unknown Speaker 9:02
But they've done a lot of curry here since they put the road in
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anywhere there lots of trails and things back through here when you were kid. Yeah, it
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was sort of like this. But this was all cleared at one time. Oh, was that yep to about here. So
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we're half about halfway up this road right back road was all cleared in here.
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Now why would you have cleared in among the bushes but it wasn't clear for like to
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join in with the field. Okay. And then just grew up again like this.
Unknown Speaker 9:40
But there was always trees but it was the underbrush was cleared out away
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from it. The whole ground, please, no.
Unknown Speaker 9:48
Oh my gosh. So this is all easily second growth, right.
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So these trees would be 100 years old. No. 18 Add oh
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yeah the ones over here the big cedars up here would be this second group here yes
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that's what I meant the second growth Oh of course second
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big leaf maples in here to
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right mix and some maple cedar
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is this older older Beautiful
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isn't it nice so that it exists as it is is it an ALR piece Do you know
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yes I believe
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you're gonna need that after school and after this hike
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snack a little bit of it already was a good good
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second breakfast oh my gosh that is a huge cedar right get a picture that can you just stay there Kim no Cougar snow
Unknown Speaker 11:33
with this very phone through your hair. Recently Oh no. When a long time ago when this road was first put in. And look all over the face of that phone. The deer run behind the tree covered over. Oh, I guess a cougar nailed them here. Oh,
Unknown Speaker 11:53
I see. I remember you telling us that story. And then why would they? Why would they just cover up the Cougar so nothing will find it? Oh, so they come back later. Right? Oh, interesting. Can you state maybe step back a little bit at the Cougar tree it's dark in here. Hang on a second
Unknown Speaker 12:19
that's better. Get in a bit closer you could pull my camera and get you
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well could have we could have a camera face on. Thanks can put that around my neck
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so you think that tree is at least 100 years old.
Unknown Speaker 12:51
Single feature but it died a few years back when a lot of the trees are dying.
Unknown Speaker 12:59
Well, they still aren't they Yeah, drought. Yes. And this one looks pretty healthy though. Must have sucked everything that we've had to give. One of the lucky ones. Yeah. And
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it's three, three or four prongs to it
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and then in behind the scenes the dead one.
Unknown Speaker 13:19
Yes. Yeah, it's very sad all over the island. You see a lot of dead cedar.
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Now would you remember this tree is a boy? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because it was kind of a trail through here.
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Can see actually a little bit? Would that be a bit of a deer trail? Yeah, maybe? Yeah.
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Who used it last, I guess are still using it.
Unknown Speaker 13:42
So just so I get it straight again. So originally, it was 600 acres about no. Oh, 300 300. Sorry, see already don't have it straight. 300 acres and when you were a child, it was how big?
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It was just up as far as North North End Road.
Unknown Speaker 13:59
Okay, so that bid had been carved off. Right. Okay. So how many acres do you think
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would been 100 left? Okay, because Harold about 60. And then 40 was divided the rest of the kids
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so you still had a good you know? 100 acres for how many kids?
Unknown Speaker 14:22
There you'd have an acre each field of the grave. Well,
Unknown Speaker 14:29
let's go see the grave. Okay. You're here
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to explain to me just again. So because we started from this part whose grave This is and what that was about
Unknown Speaker 14:38
one of them Henry Luce, these boys. The middle boy. Oh, really? The three boys. Henry was the little guy. I'll let you go first. Okay, It's
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clear that you
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know bit overgrown here to the to the current owners know about the grave
Unknown Speaker 15:12
oh yeah yeah well that's good when they were looking at the place they took I walked all the way around with them and took them over here and show them Oh,
Unknown Speaker 15:21
that's good I'm glad I must feel good for you to know that your ancestors are being taken care of
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old Greek windfall
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Oh are we gonna have to leap over logs
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no this deer trail here's yeah
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spider webs That's why I told you to go first
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there's a fence line up there so
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one back of Malizia
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oh I see okay we're that far over right
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wow that's a big theaters come down there right
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talk about dead dry cedars. Hey,
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that was an old one.
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Oh, yeah, it was hollow in the middle. Oh, I
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see. Okay,
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so there's two twin cedars left
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and then this big big guy that would have made a sudden the night came pretty close Yeah, I bet it did. Oh, I see. I didn't realize we're right at the grave let me help you I'll put this stuff down
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just clean up this grave site
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Albert Henry may 1874 to February 1875 He wouldn't very old canal
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with a loss to the family. Oh yeah.
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Now how far would this graveside have been from the hope? The time
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when we leave here will go that way and I can show you where the house was.
Unknown Speaker 18:43
Okay. So not too far away. No.
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That's nice. So the family would have come
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here. Right. regularly to visit their brother
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and son. Hello Elbert handling
Unknown Speaker 19:01
did they go did it go? Did he go by Albert or? We call them Henry.
Unknown Speaker 19:04
I think it might have been They probably went by Henry or Albert and okay because that was his dad's name Henry. He would have been either the first boy or the second boy or my dad was born after that. The US Henry in his name.
Unknown Speaker 19:27
Oh, did they write oh they put it back Can
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we William Henry?
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A namesake and then another namesake? Right.
Unknown Speaker 19:43
Well, there wasn't much here when I started looking for it. Is that right? Just a few of the rocks. They have changed underneath here. But from here to here. Then I started adding more rocks just to I keep it
Unknown Speaker 20:02
so these rocks to the to the right of the stone are from you right yeah but this more mound of the grave is original Do you mind if I take a photo of it go ahead Thank you get my stuff out of the way move your camera over to
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just get a shot to just put a couple of rocks in place again I'll get a shot of you with it
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so this would be your great uncle
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great so right I got that right right
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oh great yeah uncle
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let me step back just a little bit closer
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yeah that's good they're just look up at me here that's good thank you let's get a shot of the gravesite
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so when did you do the stone
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this painting
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yeah
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oh quite a few years ago now my lesson for it I found the stone that I wanted to paint on
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from here so
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oh it was right here this stone yeah
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you were the one to do this
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this big stone growing in between the trees
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no sort of other members of the family come out here had they had come out here in the past?
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Been a wild
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good says feel comfortable
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with the Hall of Fame member it Oh, yes. Good. So was it like tall and hollow? You could walk right into it
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or No, we're just the whole I think raccoons. Oh, okay. Wow.
Unknown Speaker 25:22
So how long ago do you think that came down? That's new to you. Is
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it? Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah. That makes sense.
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It was good. There used to be a deer trail
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you can take a picture of this rock. Okay. I've got your camera in my arm
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Do you have any idea of who would have had the property next door at the time? It doesn't look it up. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 26:29
Because Wescott was the last one. I remember. Wescott. Yeah. They had the farm house and they sold that part. And they had a house here.
Unknown Speaker 26:40
Frank there's a Westcott road down there. Right. So, actually, just from here, maybe you could tell me did. Did this have any inspiration for you in terms of putting markers underneath the dock at all? Or?
Unknown Speaker 27:02
Yeah, I started. When my first brother passed away. Then his daughter did the firt put his name on Albert.
Unknown Speaker 27:11
Under the dock. Right. And whose idea was it to do that underneath the dock? I
Unknown Speaker 27:16
guess they had it. Because he came down to spread his ashes or whatever we were doing right
Unknown Speaker 27:23
and sorry, which brother? Was it?
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third oldest, okay.
Unknown Speaker 27:29
Yeah. And his daughter had the idea. So his is the first was the first marker under there. Right.
Unknown Speaker 27:35
Then after that, I started I carried on
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and how many markers are there down there now? Do you think
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and did you have your proper plates made for them or something? Did you I mean, you
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know, just painted on the wall. They are just
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painted on the rock. Right? Somebody at one point it asked about maybe having? Yeah, plates? Is that something you'd like to have done?
Unknown Speaker 28:02
Probably. Yeah. Well, I go down every twice a year and clean it.
Unknown Speaker 28:08
Yeah. Do you twice a year.
Unknown Speaker 28:14
Pretty over done earlier on in the year. Looks pretty good. Next time I go down as just before Remembrance Day. cleaned it up?
Unknown Speaker 28:29
I wonder we will have to talk maybe but whether you'd like to see that that done if we could you know name? plaques? Yeah, that wouldn't be a good idea. We could raise some funds or something and have them. I don't know. How do you? Can you drill into the rock then? Oh, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 28:43
Can I have the material?
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And cement it? And
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or they haven't studied the names under under the dock. Are they all direct relatives of your family? Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 28:56
they're all my brothers and sisters. Two sisters and the rest of brothers. Okay. There's only two boys left. Myself and Charlie Charlie.
Unknown Speaker 29:09
was Charlie doing good. He's way right now, because he had some health issues, but he's feeling a bit better. Yeah, he's
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keen to do that. Okay. Good. I'm glad I'm pretty good. Good. Boy went up to the Oman. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 29:26
Get that up again. That's an interesting shape rock.
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There we go. Yeah,
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so it looks very tidy. I get a shot right on top. You hold on to that again. I can send you some of these if you like.
Unknown Speaker 29:55
You want your camera? Yeah, I'll take a picture but I have one picture of it. All right. Let me get out of the way with your recorder yep
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change too much
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me get a picture of you just standing there Kim
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no less than a year Hey right
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yeah and in boy children were really important oh yeah Weren't they too right so
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just my dead company knew we're breaking this ground they were using oxen to pull stumps and everything plowing and all that and when he was younger they decide you're going to run away and just take off dogs Yeah, he's dead take the plow Oh to stop the
Unknown Speaker 31:40
Yeah, you needed the powerful beasts and powerful Manta
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for people but imagine trees have been like this all over the place
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hard to imagine how they engineered that sort of feat to bring down something like that and then to get the roots out
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right there's next one coming down
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which one here yeah crack
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breaking off in here
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yeah
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quite the grove of cedars in here though. There must be there must be or have been a fair water source here with
Unknown Speaker 32:32
greening down the hill from up above. Okay, you just missed the open field here now there's a lot of water coming down that road we walked up and got washed partly washed out there one time
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and before with so many more trees and undergrowth and stuff you wouldn't have seen it quite as you do now know
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so we're gonna head back up towards the field to see where the house was
Unknown Speaker 33:28
was it did you mention something too about a witness tree remember talking about that or somebody else mentioning that up here or somewhere on the around the north end here
Unknown Speaker 33:47
I don't know.
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It's a bit clearer here can to go around.
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A lot of it's growing in here and over
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here, right along this line, right.
Unknown Speaker 34:54
You just point to that again, so I can see where the field would have been. Yeah, All right near the maple tree okay
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all those animals that goats and pigs oh yeah
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kids out there are these those their children that has the farm,
Unknown Speaker 35:25
I guess oh maybe it could be Claire and they said they were coming out at 10 Okay, walk over in all right say hi. Yeah where we are what we're doing all right
Unknown Speaker 35:44
I've got good shoes on for wet feet How about you again so this is the original field though that would have been
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this is the only degrees my grandfather planted the
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ones around the edges here they're crossed that way
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can you just I can get a shot to your right there can just gonna go across so hang on a sec. Yeah, no, that's to stay right there. Just gonna get to shoot as across the whole thing
Unknown Speaker 36:32
Okay, that's good
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news trees here. I think that's all a lie. Like, my grandmother would have planted them right in behind. That's your log hope.
Unknown Speaker 36:49
So about where the truck is, for instance, up the hill a little bit up the hill from the truck. Okay. Is there anything left at marks where it was? Or
Unknown Speaker 36:59
there was a bunch of stones from the fireplace that no they're not that route in here was one of the green gesture yellow plum trees coming up again, but it just got choked out
Unknown Speaker 37:19
by the blackberries. Yeah, but looks like they've cleared out these blackberries, haven't they? Yeah.
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Gonna have a look at
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tree here
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from trees here. See they're all disappearing. So I'm going to try and get take a walk around windy and get a map of them marked one so they know. Right? That's a good idea. Because then eventually they'd be gone and nobody know what they were. No. A lot of them I don't know that. Apple trees here. That's pear tree. There used to be big cherry tree right at the top end of those nettles there.
Unknown Speaker 38:24
Okay, just to the left of the truck, right? Yeah. Would you mind standing over there on the road and I'll get a tree with these trees Yeah, I was looking for a little starter tree but I don't see anything just go over about 10 feet that way and
Unknown Speaker 38:54
did you like when you lived here or later on? You were making juice out of the apples. Right
Unknown Speaker 39:08
well, it's still producing isn't it? Oh, yeah. Whatever their 60 year old aptitude what kind of apples do you think those are? Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 39:17
apples to apples. Yeah, there's not too many. I know the names of the apples but it's one to two apples. Three apple trees. I know that bottom pairs that vicar pair and then when this site is a big pair. Wonder pair.
Unknown Speaker 39:44
So this little grove I'm looking at of at least what are there maybe eight trees out there
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seven anyway. So
Unknown Speaker 39:54
several pear trees at the very least Yeah, that sounds like a woman's voice up they're
Unknown Speaker 40:12
gonna run us down. Go home for radar a lot of people up here are having their own choice. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 40:27
I think we want to build up here for some reason. Well it's beautiful spot
Unknown Speaker 40:38
on your black friends John every year that truck Yeah, whose was it? Bridget, one of the owners bought off Harold. Okay. Are you doing Hi?
Unknown Speaker 40:51
Yeah, it looks like it would have seen a few BlackBerry brambles
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when it would have been getting off road tracks. Now I see this is flattened, but some of these rocks here probably from
Unknown Speaker 41:13
and then after that, I just thought was fun. There was a great big barn here. And storage shed there. Then another one here. Sorry, shed.
Unknown Speaker 41:28
Do we have that on a map somewhere?
Unknown Speaker 41:30
No. I probably want to do is I'd like to mark all the trees and name the ones that I know. Yeah, I want to do that one page. Next page. I want to add the buildings so they can remember. Nice. So if it's okay, and then I'll give you the copy. Would you find another one?
Unknown Speaker 41:57
Hi, I'm Chris. I assume you all know Ken. Yeah.
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I think last time I
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went down the hill.
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And watch out for read
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some of the teachers from Fernwood Elementary and we are walking them through because they're going to be bringing their classrooms here. Oh,
Unknown Speaker 42:17
did you call it I'm Chris Marshall from the archives of Historical Society. Somebody did contact us to ask about to ask it what Charlie hadn't talked to you about that yet. But, but I I was gonna pitch you as backup.
Unknown Speaker 42:33
I'm Megan. Hi, Megan Bridget, we teach the Beauteous classroom at
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Fernwood. Okay, what does it mean? Sure
Unknown Speaker 42:41
classrooms, right. And then there are two other teachers in the program. Alison Bain, who teaches the older class and Claire Yakubu ski and she teaches the soundings which is the key one.
Unknown Speaker 42:52
Okay. I don't know why they named Claire's. It's so familiar. But I have the
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email so to meet with Allison can a couple of years ago in her classroom,
Unknown Speaker 43:01
it Fernwood. Right, when we think we did some drumming for the your class. And
Unknown Speaker 43:07
so that was the cedars class. That's the eldest of the nature based classes. Right. And she said that it was it was a really amazing experience having you in and it's such a strange time. I don't know if you're at all interested in in having involvement under the present circumstances. I wonder if there's any way we could meet safely at this. Okay, I have exactly outside here. Would you feel safe with children? Oh, yeah. Outside.
Unknown Speaker 43:39
Math. Yeah. But next two weeks, I'm going to be busy. And doing double time on everything. And then I'm gone for a couple of weeks or till the end of October,
Unknown Speaker 43:56
I will pass your number on to them. And then you guys can just chat. All right.
Unknown Speaker 44:00
That's no problem. Because I was supposed to do that walk down with the kids to Fernwood. And I waited and I never heard any more
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force base up there and and maybe you can show them
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three things that you know, around here in the
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land. I think they would just be so interested to know that and it would, it would make it that much more. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Interesting.
Unknown Speaker 44:32
One more time. Well, we, we it doesn't need to be right away. Yeah. No, but yeah, Stan, you're really one of the nice things like
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you'll want whether
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that's the only thing Yeah, no, nobody wants sure the kids are used to around muck
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around can
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might. You might be more comfortable if it's
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time for you, but two kids are thinking of
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we have the kids because their parents haven't enrolled them. In a nature program, right you have rain pants and a raincoat. Oh, yeah. Megan has no such thing as bad weather. No.
Unknown Speaker 45:07
Just west coast clothing. West Coast weather
Unknown Speaker 45:10
and me. Are you able you could drive right up here? Maybe can?
Unknown Speaker 45:15
Yeah, yeah. Probably they'd want to start up by the school come down through. That would be perfect. We were going to come down to Furman on a good day and check out the dock and things like that. That could be
Unknown Speaker 45:31
a part of that. We watched the weather forecast.
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November December. Yeah,
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right. Yeah. Sometimes you do see a window of likely. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 45:45
Yeah, I'll see what like when I get back from my holiday. Then redoing I gotta rewire for a camper and one coming in one going out. Where are you going up to lack the hash.
Unknown Speaker 46:00
Oh, nice. It's so lovely out there. Oh, yeah. My mother lives up in Cornell. Oh, yeah. But she's my birth mother. And I haven't known her all my life. So I'm only only been up a couple of times. But
Unknown Speaker 46:12
it's lovely territory. A day like this would be perfect up there. Yeah. Changing scores country, right. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 46:19
Have you got relatives up there canner? Hunting or what do you do?
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A nephew and a niece? No. Okay, because my brother lived 104 He worked here for years is the hydro.
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Hydro or? No? Oh, another. So many brothers. Brothers.
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I had 11 Brothers. 10. brothers, two sisters, two sisters
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and 11. Brother
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10. Brother. Sorry, 10. Brother. Yeah.
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Yeah, before you come with Ken, if you're interested, you might want to get you know, we can give you some back history to Ken's family, the family tree. So helpful. And some photos you probably have some stuff about
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Charles Kahn's book. And I know that the Samson family are definitely in the book, but not too.
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If you go to the Archives website, you'll be able to see there's a write up on the Samsung family and we do have other information as well. But it's very and the First Nations elements of course, too. So it's a nice tie in for the kids when
Unknown Speaker 47:22
you're standing right where the old house used to be. The original Henry Sampson was somebody who's rock here. I think you're from the fireplace.
Unknown Speaker 47:37
I'm Chris, by the way, sorry. Ellis Ellis. Hi. Nice to meet you. Also, thank you very much for for having us. Or let us record this history of cam we have it a jury snatches, but it's always different when you're on the land. You know, those place based kind of memories are so important and
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yeah, we just cleaned up the site.
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The grave? Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, we visited for a long have. You found lots of treasures. Yeah. I found that your old grain mill. Oh, yeah. Right.
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I wouldn't doubt it. Because these be after the house when there was that kind of a storage shed here. But for the horses. Everything fit in there
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are a couple of couple test polls for phones. Oh, yeah. They're the spring a little bit the one that we looked at, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I
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bet you still wet this person. But this is a good, good spot, because that's where all the water drains. Yeah. Yeah.
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Whose car did you say this?
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Was our endurance. He owned it. I guess you bought off him, didn't you? Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, he had all this, like 60 acres here. And then he had nominations over the mountain area. donated for reserve. He's he's passed away a few years back. I haven't heard or seen him his wife lately. Maybe I'll speak to her. I think she's still overweight rock.
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Who's that? Ingrid Sinisa
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in Bridson? Yeah. Okay.
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Tell me okay. Well, we better keep walking but looking forward to a couple of apple varieties and yeah,
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I'm gonna, I'm gonna have marked and named the ones that I know.
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You get some of those little copper tags, you know that you can hang on at stake. And we'll map it
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to Yeah, it's been a bit of a journey just clearing this area. Yeah. Different metal
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sort of thing. Right. And you said you found a grinding stone
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Yeah, I was actually playing to screen this for Oh, yes. And stuff. So I'll probably find everything. Yeah, down. One day we were taking a test bone and I must have been where they dumped the batteries because I imagined back in the old days, there was no garbage dump. But I found all like, where they dumped the batteries. I was like, wow, yeah, I should show you them actually.
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Yeah. I don't remember seeing anything around there. Because it was always wet there hardly went through there. Yeah.
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Right in the wet spot
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the truck dogs out there for a while because it was what they
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what other sorts of treasures have you found in here? Ellis grinding stone and miscellaneous X heavy
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metal equipment.
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We did a lot of metals.
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A little bit but mostly she
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was getting get rid of these rocks because it's really hard to mow and bow. Yeah. Yeah, probably. Right.
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It's a nice idea. What you might find. She may be a house rock. The old chimney that might be kind of nice. Building.
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I can remember just a pile of rock there from the chimney. My dad pulled it down. hooks are starting to get pretty weak and the kids playing. Okay. Didn't like the kids run. They're gone with horses.
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Just leaving the chimney? Yeah.
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All right. Well, we should probably
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keep going. So thanks. out there. Yeah, I think one. Good day to walk through and try and get Harold planted that walnut tree there.
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Harold.
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My brother. Just was his place at one time.
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Think we're right when you take the old cherry tree down? No, no, I guess it came down by itself. It was a great big one. And it slowly died. Stayed there for years. I think that's probably a seedling from it.
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Well, sounds like they're lucky that you're on the property. Yeah. Pretty.
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Making good. Taking good stewardship of
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goats are helping to keep walking.
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What was your name again? I'm Bridget Bridget.
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Hi Bridget. Chris. Okay. And so in your with the nature program?
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Yeah. Megan and I share. She's just coming back from that leave. Okay.
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Megan bridge. Okay. I'll just, I don't know the name that name did ring a bell with me. But I'm sure. Okay. I'm sorry. It start was spelt with a K. Yes. That's why it's not ringing a bell with me. Okay, you're right there with
Unknown Speaker 52:56
a K. And I'm trying to get the pieces together to make a grant application through Saltzman foundation for the can't remember the name of it, but it's the youth. The youth grant? Yes. Right. And at first, our interest was all in indigenous sites and working with Chris are now and doing kind of a mapping project not not dissimilar to one that was done at Saltspring. Elementary with Catherine Byers ELS class. Yeah. But but just everything has just been walking through the land and hearing about the Samson's connection to this land. And we've just become really interested in looking at maybe a broader scope more of, you know, early, like, yes, indigenous settlers, because that's indigenous people on the land here. It's not disconnected from it all. But we were thinking we'd like it to be a broader lens, more of a multicultural lens. But I also in our discussions I'm it's sort of, it's getting too wide. And I'm wondering how we're going to narrow it in a way that we can accomplish what we want to do. And also trying to write a good grant working with Shannon Callen who's advising us of what's already in the works and how sometimes if you're able to work in concert with other projects that are already going you can make a more favorable application. So yeah, we've just got a lot on our minds right now.
Unknown Speaker 54:32
But um, well, you might just keep in mind that we are in phase two of a indigenous interpretation panels grant that we're going to be putting a large piece of signage down here we're working directly with Panella cat nation, as well as we're working in Ganges with several other nations because Ganges is overlapping territory. So there may be ways that you could involve the kids in Here with Panella cut, and I would just my own maybe opinion would be to this is, you know, unceded territory, Connecticut nation, this was their area and to really honor that and what and to pass it on to the kids. It's a really important message. I
Unknown Speaker 55:18
did mention to them because it was on Shirt Day on Wednesday. Yeah. That the residential school that the indigenous people from the South Island went to was on. Yeah. So they, they sort of have a reference
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point. Yeah. And you know, so when we do the unveiling, that we have Connecticut come here we go there. I don't know, just a visual for kids that really cements that, you know, is that going to happen, or the signage probably won't go into at least the spring. We're heading over to Connecticut, next week for some other meetings. And it's all about as you probably know about building relationships first, and you don't just launch in and put at the end, the words are to come from them. So it's it's all directed by my first nations, but it's just a real good basis in Canada courses is inelegant heritage, so you can tie it in that way to the assumption
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that it was counted. And Ellis who just corrected me, so
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that's yeah, it is part of the historic couch and tribes, but nations rather so. But they are the pinnacle tribe. Yeah, anyway, it was really nice to meet you. And yeah, if you can all
Unknown Speaker 56:31
Chris, what's your last name? Marshall, Chris Marshall.
Unknown Speaker 56:34
Yeah, you can find me Chris at Saltspring archives, where you can find me probably through Claire, because then her Kerry's been answering her I have worked co-managers to the archives. Okay. So um, but yeah, we're happy to keep in touch. And I hope we're hoping to have a formal kind of unveiling and it'd be nice if at least some kids were present. You'd really
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love to be Oh, my goodness.
Unknown Speaker 56:57
I sort of picture that corner and think how do we manage that? People but the visitors face? Yeah, with the trout, you know, not with this traffic. But you know, it's a three way kind of thing. So anyway, that's just maybe we'll maybe we'll collaborate with the Fernwood cafe or something.
Unknown Speaker 57:12
Can I make a connection here and correct me if my connections wrong? The work that you do is sometimes shared at the theater on Tuesdays. Is that you? Is that your organization? No. Okay, well, that's
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theater on to
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the there's, it must be a historical Oh,
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I'm sorry. Yeah, that's us. You mean? I mean, that once a month? The talks?
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Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, it hasn't happened
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for a while. Well, we just had one at Rucker Park. This week, on Wednesday.
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Okay, so that is the same, yes. Okay. So that's awesome.
Unknown Speaker 57:44
We would love to have the kids come to something, one of those that seemed appropriate ever, like we had Ken there a couple of years ago, talking about the family, etc. And I, you know, I don't know, it depends on the age of the kids, etc. But you know, it'd be nice to have this good, but there's always a problem with transport, etc. Particularly different. Yeah, I can understand the barriers.
Unknown Speaker 58:04
We can talk about public school buses transport. Yeah. At the moment.
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But even then, if there was some really keen, I don't know what what age the group goes up to the year with, but yeah, and you know, we need to talk to the high school to some keen kids that their parents could bring them to one or two talks that
Unknown Speaker 58:22
you know, my husband just had to take the kids that actually a social studies teacher at the high school. Oh, I see ship program. Oh, really interested in our
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in the local. Okay, here as well. Oh,
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I'd love to connect. Be happy to
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have. Yeah, he may not be teaching. He doesn't always teach social studies and the online shift stuff this year,
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so it's like individually? Yeah. This year is a program. It's a weird year. But he I'm sure. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 58:50
this year, so different for everyone. But what about Could I maybe just text one of you guys just because that's easier way to connect? And then you can email me maybe after? So can I put somebody's name?
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Or for sure.
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Where were you looking for?
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roelens? No, no. Well,
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I can connect with one of you. And then. So what's the number? It's
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250-221-1591. And my name is Megan Kerr. Megan, okay. I'm just gonna say Hi, Megan. Yeah, send me a text and I will connect you with all of our email.
Unknown Speaker 59:31
That's good. And that any you know, that's worth saying when you write your grant. That's always worth we've just written a grant for ours. Fingers crossed. That that there is that collaboration that you know, you might have an opportunity to have the kids, you know, connect with some of the Panella could elders here and
Unknown Speaker 59:49
that is that's just adding another layer to how we're going to mean it's gotten more and more exciting. But I know perhaps it's gotten less realistic about the scope is maybe less realistic for what we're actually going to be able to do. And I, the sense we get is having a finished product, something that might actually be usable. Yeah. You know, in the case of the owl class, they published a map that actually is usable with the stories and names, the names and stuff. So we would like to, I think if when we're making this proposal, we're able to have in our site, a finished, tangible product that is going to be regarded with more favor. So it's a new, it's a new jury. Is that the term that they use? They use? It's
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Oh, it's yes. Yeah, definitely. It's a whole new grant opportunity for sure.
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But the kids on the jury Oh, yes, that's true. Yeah. Great turnaround. Oh, that's good. Wow. So at least they wouldn't be the ones that took the application from the old class a few years ago.
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Wouldn't it be nice if a group of kids from here were invited by Connecticut to go to their school and a group of Connecticut kids could come love that? No, I don't. I mean, we can't talk anything in terms of that. I'm just thinking, you know, what, you know, the residential steps are still busy. I've
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had that in my heart for so many years. I used to teach but not with Panella kid I used to teach at Clay Womack tribal school on North Saanich. West nice road, not to Brentwood. Yeah, I know. And when I left, it's been over 10 years. Since I've taught there. I guess, 14 years ago. I really had that in my mind's eye that somehow I'd like to make that cultural connection when I was teaching there. Jan. Slay cough was teaching music at Fernwood. Okay. And the cultural teacher, and Jan got in communication. And we did a cultural exchange, but it was so ridiculously token, you know, it was late, and it was made worse by us missing the ferry and the busing situation. And it was just like, basically, we touched down, sang a song, sang a song said goodbye, you know, it was so disappointing,
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but your hearts were in the right place. And that's what counts, you know, also
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to do it in a way that is super respectful and not making an exhibit out of their culture. Exactly. Yeah. So that is what has been in in my thoughts, you know, how do you do it in a way that it's just creating interest on both sides? And nobody is like, an exhibit? Yeah, no, well,
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I think that day will come. It's just, you know, very small steps in terms of building those kinds of relationships and honoring them. So what you're doing is, is very admirable. I think that's really great. Hopefully, we'll connect over this one way or another. But I'm sorry, I've interrupted your or we've interrupted your visit here on a day like this. No, I know. I'm going to take photos of some of these rocks. So you can say these are probably some of the original rocks from the fireplace. All the kids
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can loves the kids too. So it'd be great. It was really,
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it was a couple of years ago. It really makes sense. Okay,
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I don't and for you guys, your job.
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A lot of hand washing, treading water, just trying to, you know, finish anything because you've got to get, you know, 20 minutes, you know, 10 on either side of whatever you
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do. Yeah, I guess it really eats into the day to day, isn't it?
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She does Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Wednesday, I just had the worst day and she said, Oh, maybe it's the kids and the transition between teachers and like, no resolve. Me, I just never felt that I know to accomplish anything of any worth. Yeah,
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that's gotta be it's just such a hard vocation to be in right now. I would think just juggling juggling everything ships,
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we have to really invest in the relationships and safety of course, and just and everything after that is kind of gravy. You know, it's really with numeracy and literacy. And our other our goal is to spend every afternoon outside integrating our science and our social studies, right and get our, our reading, writing. You know, word work spelling type stuff in numeracy all done in the morning and then Good afternoon is outside with integrated studies as much as we can right? I did hear that it's Alinea year
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oh gosh yeah.
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That lens another factor oh here comes you're probably looking for you these guys. Okay nice to chat with you. Okay.
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Meghan can get back to me
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yeah you to take care of sort of held you up Alison Claire so you think these stones right here might have been part of the old fireplace? Oh yeah, yeah.
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What about this piece of machinery? Is that just leftover
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from leftover it was gonna be a hay wagon but it never got that far.
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No but it would that be from Harold's time not from Henry's time. Yeah, Harold. Okay. Well still what age would that be that piece of equipment could be
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the wheels very old
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1940s
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Yeah, I think it would be neat for you to have one of those stones for me your family's fireplace so with that so the fireplace would have been around here right house
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right but we're just getting
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where the where maybe where the heat is there a little bit more hey yeah
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can
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have an old lamp Thank
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you hold that for me
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not working anymore no
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you're holding up like a light like you're holding a light fixture they're looking at me that's great that's an e o TC or a
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kerosene Yeah Wait Wait
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let's be copper or something though. Do you think to be charged like
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that? It's beautiful
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yeah
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lucky horseshoes Oh, that would be nice.
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Can that's a big horse you think? Yeah. Wow
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these aren't what are these old springs or something? Yeah, look at the old axe head. We'll take a picture of these couple things and then
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I've been there for a few days.
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Yeah, I'll say been some time what would that spring be off to Kenya Thank you
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cedar in the forest. Oh, yeah. That's been there for a long time.
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Down All right. So what do you guys do like a seven year or what? How did it work? We didn't follow that folks. But every so often, you know, one year you'd be there another year and be down there
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for the animals right?
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Yeah.
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Was it two main fields then?
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Yeah, this one and that one down below. Okay, so
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Oh, it's up here and then what would be in the other one? Like when you had the okay.
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Yeah, it's in pretty rough shape. I was gonna try and get it set up and paint it. Oh yeah, it was to champion. Yeah, fragile. Where's it just over there? There
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we can have a look at it before we leave. Okay. And there's also a car whose car that was mangled what is that? I oh wow, it looks like a spring I know Okay, let's bring on the old bottle over there. That's a beauty
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing this place.
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Oh, I bet imagine what you're gonna find. Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna give that to Ken I think that's from his grant. Maybe granddad. Time knows. Five. Yeah.
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Five cross somewhere of my big medium media.
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You will that for me for a minute
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at the big horse, yeah. Thank you very much for your help. I know. You'll put I can put it in my pocket. Yeah it's just a recording same group so I can catch bender. Oh, yeah. Oh,
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yeah
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What were you used to sift it? Oh, so you're just like
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a screener? Yeah. A ring. Yeah, so these rocks are from the field you guys rock? Yeah.
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Actually, I didn't know that was that many rocks in here the only time
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like this just right in here the mountains with like blackberry and stuff growing over it and then they turn it all up. They're like all garbage extract
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good for ya. Better them than you right.
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The only thing is then takes a while
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for all of their pick. That one
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bottom field Yeah. Another rock pile. Yeah.
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Yeah, we found you your old teapot right? We still have that car.
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I kind of think I got rid of that. I
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got a big teapot this big. Big Brown Betty kinda Oh
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yeah. I guess they needed in those days Okay, we're gonna
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follow you can see to
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see if it's still working any plans
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Yeah, I don't know if it's I don't think over work.
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Thank you for this for can
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you guys see you later hi
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really
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good that tree wrapping itself around the apple tree
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there. Oh, yeah.
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I don't know if it's a seedling or
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a good eating apples. there early. Yeah. Yeah. Here's the only palm trees that came up just by themselves. They weren't planted. Okay, there we used to be a hedge along here like that. Right? They disappeared and then quite a few years later Oh, yeah. appeared here. Oh, good on
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nature. Yeah. Ah
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this is the old road into the property
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bottom field Okay another rock pile there
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wonder if they're producing you think you'd see some sign of plums on them don't see much yeah maybe these the yellow plums Purple Purple okay tell you and let you go first oh yeah no way you're catching those grabs yeah all right let's
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get past my place just felt like somebody threw a big veil in my face I was really into yeah
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this time of year they look at that and ask him oh yeah wow that is a prolific and asked us to be a bigger one and we have that like really? Oh yeah smokes Wow go really kicking. Yeah yeah
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I think I'll take the spider webs thank you wow
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well that's where ants belong in the woods
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so this is we're walking down the old trail to this other field, right? Yeah, we used to haul hay
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before the limbs renewing Oh yeah,
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there's more big theater here.
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Yeah that's pretty good.
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guy right there. Right good.
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Yeah
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okay so this is from your dad's time this cedar. Oh yeah. Now would he have built something like this or you buy it right Oh, I
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see it's about the metal I'm just getting closer now
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oh my gosh. Crazy
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to balance so far gone
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to get some more light in here
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that was in better shape and it could have been salvaged from patients in the mirror Yeah, the museum would appreciate that
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maybe even some pieces from it do you think interesting intricate bits on it oh
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yeah it's a rough did now. She really came down here okay into there and in that we'll had the groove maintenance Wall fell in there. Oh, can you just point to that again? Just get ready. Thank you. Oops, was in the box up here trickle down to they're down to here and then fell into the groove made by Jess. And there was changed drags long behind its cover. And is this the whole running gear up here? You should have adjusted the fee to get a shot of that.
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Your hand on there again?
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More or less? lifted up? Right? lifted off the ground
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she had it I don't know if you weren't even just uncovering it. Yeah, see all the bits and pieces of it.
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uncovered and put up on block? Yeah
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better shape, and you're gonna jam the end of my driveway inside the fence who painted up?
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Oh, even unpainted. It's beautiful. It has its own relic beauty, doesn't it? Right
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I love old relic things like that
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Well, should we continue on back that way to go back are this way do you think?
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Well the way we came up okay, he'll be full of West grass. Okay, so this is
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the field this is the road
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down to the lower field that would have been cleared secondly as
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well oh okay nobody wants him. Okay. takes any machinery
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now would Henry have put that well in?
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Oh yeah. I'd love to well Dugan was placed hard to find good and water
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would they have which dwells in those days? Find it Yeah.
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My dad could whip Yeah.
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What about in your generation? Are there any good witches? Which
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once in a while yeah. Because when we were up there I showed him where it was some water and he said the still wet up
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so it sounds as though the new owners are looking for new water sources as well. Yeah.
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Yeah. But I don't it wouldn't go up there and you'd have to cure some trees. They didn't like concrete. No.
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So how big do you know how big is this piece of property now? This piece we're on? Yeah, the piece that they have all this 40 acres
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20 acres was cut off the top Yeah. Where that clearing is up there
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what do we do is your horse shoe? I thought you had it.
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I did too. Let me go back to where we were taking photos you hold on to that okay
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that's your horse you know you have it
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find it
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Oh Good
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to meet ya very old ancient the top probably all horse medicine or something
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you get one more picture of you with this horse you up was that your first year
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by the way
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I went horse cart
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No way. I might lose it again. You're gonna come in. Is
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it close enough? Just Just hold it up. Kevin just Yeah, a little bit closer to you. Okay, thinking that that would be your granddad's horse shoe. Your dad's horse shoe.
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Chester's.
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Probably rode on that
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you would have written on that horse. Yeah. That must be cost. Pretty neat.
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Give me some other before we get stuck if you'd let me give it to you. I'd be so honored. I'd like give me the horse.
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I don't think you'd be in such good shape as the horseshoe.
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I will hang it right side up in my house. Yeah.
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bring you good luck.
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Oh, well, I know it. Well.
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Yeah, I found a few around here. And I took some of the work and sandblasting containers.
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Okay. Oh, they're beautiful.
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Little tool the old guy was holding on to Yeah.
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Well, that was a lucky meeting with the teachers in a way. Right, because they had been trying to get in touch with us about Charlie, which I was going to talk to you about?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah, the years ago, they talked about that. And I never heard from him.
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I guess maybe administration change over? Well, maybe. Yeah. One thing leads to another. I'm just going to have a look. Carrie couldn't make it today because she's working at the foundation. But she had a couple of questions. She wanted me to ask you so. Yeah,
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funny. Number for that big old cedar tree. Big and bushy. Little dead talk. And holy, you just died. use drugs.
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Yeah, it's a real sign. Isn't it? The secret even some of the first data for Balsam there? Okay.
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Yeah, a lot of them died. Yeah, we
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had a couple of die to. What are these apples here? Let's look like nice maybe winter apples. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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That's one piece to picking me. Apple juice. A little shade on the dark side, but okay.
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Those are nice looking apples.
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Yeah, well, maybe they got wood. They have some closer to their house. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, those are great. You can
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feel them. They're waxy. Yeah. Winter. Right.
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So would that be a king or something? Do you think? No, no.
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There's oops, you should have that one.
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says why now? That fell out of my hand.
Part Two
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Recording again. Okay it's a duck second recording with Ken because I stopped the other one by accident that's okay we're just heading back down the road from the from the original Sampson farm homestead
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Are you a fossil Hunter?
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Oh, when I see him
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you know when you see him right. Okay Carrie wanted to know about the names under the dark and we talked about that, but oh yeah. What do you know that you did your grandfather died before you were born? Your yeah Harold was the
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only one born when my grandfather.
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Okay. Did any did any of the stories about his time as the police constable come down? Are they curious wondering about the jail. Do you know any stories about that? We know of course that you've your family had the handcuff
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didn't hear too many stories about FTP? Monkey?
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I guess. Yeah. Because he was I think it was referred to as a constable right? Yeah. I always loved the story you told about your mother's throwing the with the handcuffs or your grandmother?
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Mother? Oh, yes. Yeah. Well, that would have been under that. Sherry, she used to be there. Okay. So storage shed beside so that you might find your key up there.
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That'd be something. Does he know the story tell the story. So we have on the tape here. What happened? You got kids roll out playing
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terrible bill Albert. My four oldest brothers. When they were smaller. He slept around under the cherry tree and all over the place. And my grandfather's cups house. They started be fun to play policemen and lock them on one of my brother's youngest brother. At that time, on his ankle. process of playing around there. They lost the key. They they looked and looked like for hours, they finally went down and got mom. She came up and they were looking and she just happened to see part of the key sticking out from under one of the cherry leafs. Oh, unmarked Ernie, close the cuffs and throw the key away.
Unknown Speaker 2:34
That's pretty clever. Right off the bat. So yeah, if you're Have you told the new owners of the property about that key? Well, that story?
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I think they were at the central hall that day. Oh,
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they came to the top. Nice. I'd forgotten maybe that they were there? Yeah. Well, it must have been quite quite the place to grow up with all your sisters and
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you couldn't beat it. And
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we talked a little bit before. You know, when we were at your house talking to you about any, any visits and stuff by your Panella cut relatives, and or just the comings and goings of First Nations up the coast. And so you had just limited interaction that sounds like
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oh yeah, these two combined, Dad had cheap and stopping by Wolof and so he got Duncan, you got one of the knitters over there. And he made or she made a sweater for mum and a sweater for dad out of their own cheap. So they had to always have something.
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What happened to the sweater is Do you know?
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I got mums, but it's slowly deteriorating. I don't know why that most of it's good. But where are the green? Was it just sort of crumpled?
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Maybe what maybe what it was died with? I think so. Yeah, we should maybe get a photo of that sometime. Oh, yeah. Should be nice to have in your collection. Just a photo of it. Right. Okay, and what when? And when you were a kid? Do you remember? Did you did you know about your first nation heritage? Was it talked about or? Oh, yeah. Was it South about in a celebrated way?
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No, but just you know, mentioned and we knew we're our grandmother came from
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and when these people came and when First Nations inelegant, I guess came in to buy wool and stuff. Was it? Was it known that these were relatives of yours coming?
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I'm not sure.
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Are you not sure if they were relatives, maybe even right.
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These two would come up here and pick it up for them and they'd leave us some fish and by the Mulan way they go
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And you wouldn't know they were coming. They would just know.
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Yeah. appear at the door. You didn't have
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your cell phone then? No, you're not so you know communicative as you are now. Right?
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It is probably in that truck.
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Well, you had it on you today. And that was good. Yeah.
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Well, I was ringing. Did you phone me?
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I did phone you and then I was up at Channel ridge. And then I lost my lost connection with you. Yeah. Just seeing what else
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did you feel in those days that there was? Did you feel any sense of racism going on then?
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No. No. We went to school and played with all kids. It was another day.
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And there was a fair array of different cultures at that time at the school. If you're in there have been the Japanese would have been here. Some of the Starks the whims maybe
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would run through the woods, kids. Which ones
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with a B, Bob. No
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younger than him. Okay, Teddy, who's no longer with us? Yeah. And he had two sisters, Betty and another one, an older one. But they would ride on the bus. They've hop on and off when they got home.
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I guess there wasn't so much visiting around after you know, weekends and stuff. You wouldn't go over to other kids places as much as you do now. Too far away. Yeah. Too far away. And you had your own built in. Right. And it's here in your family, right? Different times, right. What do you miss most about those days? Do you think?
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Oh boy. Just the fun that we had, you know, you can do things and have fun. In trouble.
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That sort of sense of freedom,
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right? Invented your own entertainment. You want to spend the day on the beach or the hiking over the mountain or whatever it happens to be.
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Did you pretty much always do that with your siblings or did you ever go off by yourself?
Unknown Speaker 7:30
No. Mostly with some friends down. North B Trojans. One fellow is in migration and the other one was Charlie Z. Four was used to hang around. do different things trouble.
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Do you remember their names? Doug and George?
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What was their last name
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green. Green off
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the green off family that still bandless around? Oh, yeah. Okay. Ben for you enough. They had the they were in the grocery store down at mullets at one point, right. That's great, right. Ben's? What's it called? Ben's lucky doll. Right.
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And that was their brother. Doug and George's brother. Okay, so that one that's here. No, Ben, He's the nephew. Oh, I
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see. I didn't realize the greenhouse went back that long.
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Oh, yeah. He started in Doug's start. He read one with the chem one from Galliano. And he lived on North Beach. So they walked a friend wouldn't catch a bus because every school
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were you all in that consolidated school at that point. So in grade one you were that's where you were?
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Grade One through 12.
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Your siblings, so would they have gone to the Fernwood school?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because they would be that much older. Right.
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And then the school looked up there. No, I think Paul went to it. Before he went down again. Geez. Right. Paul's your son right.
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Now, just remind me of Paul and Christie. Do you have any other children?
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Kim? Kim? I don't know. Well, she's one that has the house over there. No. Okay.
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So what road is she on?
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On Fernwood? But she lives in Michigan. In Michigan, okay. But she kept her house here. Oh, yeah. Well, they bought it off.
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Right. Right. Well, that's nice that that's still in the family. Right. That's
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the only reason it went.
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Yeah. Yeah. But at least it's saved that way. And it's so nice that these people that are on this
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current property Oh, yeah. There are so many fighting, right. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 9:45
That's lovely. And they they really seem to care about the history and write. Do you find this as a new thing, everybody being like, Oh, tell us your story and does it or does it or is that been sort of a thing all along? Are
Unknown Speaker 9:59
you Yeah at times that comes up you know people get interested and they want to find out more history of the island what we're doing here we are at
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another playground the ocean yeah
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call me like that
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you find some good treasures Well Charlie found those anchors but I guess that was later in his life right yeah those well I can walk back from here is that all right okay yeah we have all those beautiful pictures of all the Samsung kids out on their logs out on the beach right
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yeah it was their their playground
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yeah pretty nice great childhood you had
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you had to you'd love it again
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grass I don't need grass
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Yeah, I don't know what I brought with me. Too bad for that stuck to me
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well that was really great. Ken thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us.
Unknown Speaker 11:43
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I hope you got something out of it. Super
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special I mean, you know just to be there with us amazing
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to see the grave
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and to know that those people will take care of it. I think that's a special and honoring. That'll happen
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missed this part of the island.
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I couldn't be here quite once in a while. Check it out. Try doing if any Treasury float in it hasn't happened.
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So you go down to the beach and have a little look around
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went down on Hudson point one time after a big storm and there was hope. Then there was half full of gravel. So I emptied it out and dragged it way up on shore. Up high. And then walking on my phone the Moto four took the motor up to the house and iPhone. RCMP nation won't looked at it. Took all the details and said Well, you got a place to store it necessarily. I can store it. And about a year later I got a letter D O T saying I owned a boat. Really? Yeah.
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How'd you get all the gravel on that boat? I had to tip it up. Well that was a fortune. Yeah,
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I used it for years on the lake fishing.
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Okay on St. Mary's story. How long ago was that?
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20 years or more because I was retired.
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So beachcombing pays off then
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I used that both free and when I retired they gave me a gift certificate to a sports shop so I went and got to pick up an electric motor. Okay for my retirement perfect and it worked out but
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so you got yourself the boat fish
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lots of your motor
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Thank you can really appreciate it so much. We'll get all these transcribed someday and you'll be able to read your words. Oh, great. You go. I didn't mean to say that. But thank you very, very much.
