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Date | 19 February 2020 | ||
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Here we are. What is it Sunday superior?
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February 16.
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Sunday for verse 60.
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All right. Okay, Christine, here we are. This is Charlie. Hello, Charlie. Hello, Charlie. Jerry Lee and I here and we're gonna we're going to talk family tree stuff. So
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now you see why I got so many relations on Saltspring because my ends, almost ladies are my hands. Yeah,
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they will never hold it now. Do you remember who they married? No, I
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don't know. No, most Why don't you think I knew it? No.
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That's way older. Like this is your dad way down here. Yeah. So they were all way old or they were 1520 years older. And, and you remember I am?
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No, no, Lisa. Not grossly. Not Martha. Martha. Yes. She used to live in Victoria.
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I remember she married.
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know a guy by the name of night. That was night. Yeah, I remember Martha night. I remember her.
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And Albert, will you said his grave? Is it the old property? Yes. So it's just a sort of? It's marked as his grave? Yeah, you'll Thompson.
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Lydia. Yeah,
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I remember that. Yeah.
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Okay. Who she married to. Natalie thinking
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she married a now don't quote me on this. Okay. Certainly. Yes. She married a guy by the name of Rossman
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Rossmann
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did Jack
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because I know she was married to John Palau. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they split up. Yeah. So maybe you remember her as Rossmann. Maybe if that's true, then she probably married him after so I can look into that right Ross, Rossman, Rossman. And that name has popped up with a lot of matches for my money. Okay, and John, so John Palau, she married John Palau, whose dad's first cousin. Yeah,
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they I mean all those people my I've heard those names 100 times because of my folks. And they used to go visit them all the time. When I saw Brett they take care and liver not me. Think the babies can lil and George was older than me, but not me. Because I was a number Brian, I guess. Well,
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way to go. Charlie, you were a smart aleck. Were you? Yeah,
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I knew I think
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I have a letter from grandma Roland, to to mum. I think here on Saltspring. She talks about John and Lynn. That's what they call it. Yeah, yeah. And Lydia. Yeah. Well, that was lit. That would lead me Yeah. Sure. Remember, Charlotte. No, no, Charlotte is the one who married John Martin. Oh,
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yeah. Okay. Yeah, no, I don't remember
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that name. Yeah. Martin. They are the parents too. Charles, Henry. Martin. Henry Charles Martin. No. Rose in Chester.
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Chester. Yeah. Oh, I
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knew that. So Charlotte. The guys and guys she married are the parents to just around. Oh, Martin. Yeah.
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All right there. Yeah.
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I didn't know that. He was just getting a little stymied there. I
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know. That just arose. I spent a lot of my time over there with them. Okay,
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now, so if that was her son, and you are William Henry's son, then you're we were first cousins. Yes. That's why
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is there one called Rose? Charlotte, Martha.
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No, Rosalie. No. Rosalie way up here. Okay.
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That's probably the one that married into the Wood family.
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Yeah, that's
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good. Bobby Woodrose my first cousin.
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Well, that could be a family which would you see married? Oh, but now,
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Jim. I think. I think his name was Jimmy. I'm not too sure. Don't quote me.
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I don't know. I can write it down. And then I can check it. I know. There was a Jimmy would shoot it
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to 70.
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That might be right. But it probably wrong. probably wrong. Right. I don't know.
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I can check out the DC archives. Yeah, they've got a marriage certificate that will be in there.
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You're absolutely right. So a lot of these people like my brother, older, older brother, Edward and Harold and Bill were all born at home. And so you know, they might not be an errand operator, you know,
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was Harold and Bill, Bill
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harrowsmith. very oldest brother, that bill. So next one
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I see. Yeah, I'll have to get into that. Gee, I don't know how much more old older are
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they that you have lots lots. I think generation.
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Yeah. Nick. He was like 12 years older than me. And he was in the middle. So the rest of them are
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oh, so they were probably moved out and on
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their own definitely before you were born. Oh, sure. Oh, yeah. We've got uncles. Aunts and Uncles quite a bit older than when
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Ernie Oh, and Vic came back from overseas he said to my mom, who were all these little kids running around. She said goes to your brothers and sisters.
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Okay, so but tilde you remember to Matilda? Yeah. Do you remember who she married? No.
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Lily? No, don't know. Me. No. William.
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May newbiggin. That's where it's her new beginning. New vegan. Yeah. Wow.
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That's a handle. Yeah.
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Me and then William Henry was your dad and Charles
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as well as your uncle?
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Who remarried?
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He never he never got married.
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So your dad's name was Chester. Yeah. William Chester Henry. Oh, really?
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That's what Bill was named after. And here
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is my family. Oh, that's a picture and a half
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that everybody
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who's the two guys in the uniform on the outside?
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You know,
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Albert, and Bill No. Holberton and one of the guys Albert and that would be hernia. Yes. Why is already an Elvis? Yes. That's who that is as Ernie Albert and Ernie married twin sisters. They were called the Schofield girls from Gillean.
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Two brothers marry twin sisters. They have kids. Oh lots.
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nine kids 1-234-567-8910 1213 You never come?
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Oh heck yeah.
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It's my mom and dad right there.
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Yeah, see them? Can I see them? Okay, now what was your mom's name?
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Made me Elizabeth Oh Hutchison.
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Erica Hutchinson.
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When I finally looked at them, good, holy crap. Which ones you're right there.
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With the IRS.
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years I buck teeth years. Just like the ugly duckling and also that turned out to be a handsome looking guy.
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Okay, I remember your mom and dad. I can't see very well here. That's your dad. No, right. Oh, sitting there. Okay. This is your mom. She was quite small and yeah.
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So that's everybody. Wow. Who's this one here. Ernie.
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Ernie was in the Navy or is in the army. And Bill was in the army. Harold was in the army.
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What year was the second?
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was written on the back.
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How old are you in the picture? We don't who is your oldest brother Harold. Harold.
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It's that guy right there.
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Do you have a second name?
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Henry I think Henry
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was next in line Bill Bill
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has written really was right. Exactly.
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The a middling William Chester was right. We've just there Henry. How can we have three handles
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different clip on and got one first name John.
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It was after William.
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Just Albert, Albert Albert twice his middle name just
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No, no, I can't remember right now. Okay.
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And it was after Albert.
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the middle name or non
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earnest Chester Chester resisting
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that's, that's after news is nice you know what do you got the UN Herald William Albert Ernie, Stan
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Stanley and Lee who
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I think his middle name was Reynolds. I think I think I don't know.
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After Stanley
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as Vic and Cliff Vic's first head,
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Nick there and Clifford length no no.
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Download well. Who did I miss? You miss done very good hair. Harrell. Bill. Bill we're going welfare Ernie. Yeah, Stan. Oh, I miss George. George. George. Yeah baby lil
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who didn't miss me? I gotta Yeah, and
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I got both the girls Bruce, Bruce. Bruce.
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I'm Miss Bruce. Bruce go he goes right before IV
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Good job Jack.
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I haven't gone great. I've worked with him he's a great guy to work with.
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You hear me any their middle names Vic. No big and Cliff never admitted. Okay, Bruce.
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That's a guy whose name was routes. Rentals.
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So I'm not Stanley. No, I these middleman. Amelia. Amelia. Nice. Me.
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As in Earhart
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media, George
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Edward
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Charles was humanly go to
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Robert robear that's why click carry calls me Charlie Bob. Cans. Cans name is what is it been? Arthur
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and well I'm Amelia. Got an IV Amelia.
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Okay, her name is Adelaide.
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Was it Lily or Lillian? Lillian? Lillian. Oh, yeah, Adelaide. Yeah, that's good. You got mixed the middle names are also some pretty handsome names that are outward. So he this one was named after his uncle Albert who died Jana. Yeah, yeah. And
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that was named after my uncle Charlie.
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There's an uncle Albert in the Beatles song.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Was it about your uncle? The day?
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No. Okay. No big deal. Great. Ours, a nice guy. He's his whole family's like that. They're really nice. People find a loving, they just love to party. Hours overseas. He was a truck driver. All right. Let me tell you the whole story about when he's driving a truck that was full of dynamite and shells and all kinds of explosive stuff. And he was in Germany and they were getting bombed so bad and shot up so bad that he couldn't go anywhere that long. So he jumps out and he runs into this great big building. And he was watching his truck outside. And a shell come right through the windshield from a German plant and never blew smash in the cloud right in the front seat. At that very same time these guys got on and Albert was talking about the shell that went through the windshield his truck. And Vic said to him while I was over in Germany, when was that they counted it up. figuring it out it was exactly the same day. Exactly. Over was upstairs, downstairs. Amazing. Morning. What are you doing now?
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Have you ever noticed that David repeats himself a block?
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Can tenuously? I was calling today about the he found some coin that I can. Oh my God $140 And he repeated that to me five times. Oh my god. Okay, don't sweat it because I'm up for supper right now we're sitting here at the table having wine. All right. Okay, you
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He, he never swears. He said Fokker ever does never support
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your great grandparents? No, so your Dad Your grandparents were Henry and Lucy pizza. Both to know
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my my parents who was Henry had jester Henry Henry Colchester and Elizabeth. Yes. That was my parents.
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So the grandparents would have been Henry and Lucy.
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It was a one four through we got our seventh shoe from. Oh.
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Do you remember much about her? I didn't meet her. But they talked about her.
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My grandfather was married before that. And I can't remember his first wife's name. And she killed somebody she killed. I don't know. What
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I think I saw in the archives. I saw a marriage certificate to somebody else. Yeah, you see hide? No, Lucy pizza. Lucy?
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Yes. Lucy.
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Do you guys whether to tip the netiquette at all? Like where she lived? Oh,
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yeah. Oh, yeah. And my dad, my grandfather was a policeman here on Saltspring. And she she murdered his first hand. I think it was someone was lying by one of his. I don't really know can call it that. What was one of his girlfriends or something? Men? Sure. Anyway, she went to Slauson because it was a tribal but there she went and joined over them in the road across from Saltspring. Lawson. arrestor road back put in jail. Jail, but what did you see killed? I can't remember.
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So he was she was like his girlfriend at the time. And he's the police officer. Yeah. And she killed somebody and ran away.
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Yeah. Hey, she was actually his wife. Oh, how? First Wife,
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Beatrice enough energy kill. And why is he killed? You know, lives
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here? She could she knew that.
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I talked a little few times before she she passed and we never got into stories it was always the tree and how
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she does hydro lines going over the hill. I worked on those was the middle of July. So bloody hot up there. You sweat blood? You're done. Okay, back to this. Yeah.
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So your Did you ever know your grandparents? Were they still alive? I wouldn't think so. They're probably old. And it's just like, I was like, I'm at the end of the line today in in the kids. And so the older ones were so much older than me. They're long gone
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for my wedding when twins were six.
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Or you they the
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I was the ring bearer.
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Their little fancy dresses. Flowers of them here and this snack
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leaves me shoes. The hard soled shoes you see after them you were barefoot right when you're kids and then we had shoes for school. But if you've used anything at all it was I don't know you just throw something on your feet to keep you from running on the barnacles or something so shoes were not a big thing. My
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shoes had holes right in through both and I used to put carbon in there yeah last a little bit until I got wet and then going across with a dad planted the outfield cutting the oats and the stones up like that and then it's really sharp used to stick right through the holes in my shoes and make my feet bleed yeah
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check tells me that we thought we were poor but they Texas they were really poor
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I'm quite sure after growing up moved we thought about it we were the force family on Salisbury guaranteed wow that's why I left I was I left when I was just 17 to go away because that's what they need is another month of working on.
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17 Where did you go
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when I first left I went to Victoria and I got a job in a roundabout as a front end gas station jockey no gas jockey Yeah,
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the gas station there when I was first married
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you know that roundabout and I you said one time a little girl fault right of a car because the doors open going around the corner and I ran up and picked her up, stepped up into the The middle and there was a car right behind her and you can't see if anybody falls out because your
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ears turning the wrong way Sure.
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Just lucky our daughter was right there pumping gas it just left it right now when my older brother Stan got married we were all in the big city Georgia couldn't swim they never could Georgia zone Oh yeah. I made
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myself learn so what screw my kids but we
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were all in the hotel room. And George was having a bath George Kennan swimming he's a life jacket so we started throwing pillows and their overall follow up on the in the in the
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I could only swim in that pool with my instructor
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we had to go to bed at night well had wet
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well yeah, nice. Real nice. Round
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the boat kept going round and round round another somebody else from the wedding joined in and we had the whole thing plugged in the cops come and chases away hits in the city. I see exactly. Me unless Howard had an apartment in Montrose apartments that are on Blanchard. You know, watching some other some other street viewers. I'm just upfront. And we live there for a long time and that was a wild place. Holy crap. We never been on the we'd have to catch pigeons and eat him. Got a pigeon calm hook dragging him pick and clear. Oh, got somebody for that summer. Simple dry bread. Took the floorboards out unless his car went down to the parking Crusher. And then he was driving home sitting in kitchen news ducks and wringing the napkins from the back end of the sack in the backseat. A duck suffer Lee Lawson and then it was a nice little buck deer down there. They caught him yelling No actually. Oh man we should have that deer does not philosopher a couple of months. We went down over their knives and we're gonna pull it said through I'm gonna show and the cops roll the place somebody beat it through there. Chris
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was all there last hour? Oh,
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was it was surely his younger sister. Yes. Yeah. She used to sit right behind me in class and just fart and point at me. Sounds
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like surely. Then there was another one Kathy. She was arrested. She died very young. I started remember. She got into drugs pretty badly. So
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you never know what's gonna happen to people do you don't?
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So are we back on this again?
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I'm hoping. Well, it basically I think I think you're in the same boat as we weren't like we didn't know the old folks. But we did hear stories of bumps. We had lots of stories. We told about them. She lived on
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Cooper. Yes. My grandma. Yeah. She had brothers and sisters. Oh, yeah. She had family over there. But my dad he could not even speak English until he was like two Nasseri because he taught his mother all the time. And that's all she taught because Indian so what do you learn? My wife and I were living firmer than every go house and wooden stove. He get up in the morning and with a great big pot on the stove. And 100 pound bag of mush. And he used to cook mushy just reach in there with his hands and he had like five or six handfuls knees just reach and then throw it in an apartment count in India. And I can't remember any of those words. Just the math of the No No. Nothing like that. I can't remember one word of course. 100 years ago who cared?
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Yeah, yeah, you don't you know, you don't realize it might come back.
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You know, when we were kids. We never ever got paid for any of the work we did for those guys. Like I'd got help. Oh, probably you know, the donor for her jives? Oh, yes, I used to that I'm gonna help him do his hane and I never got paid for it because they're kind of haphazard based on numbers and whims. To the woods. I used to go to help old John lives. work all the time in his place and underneath the house. He had still say it was up on up on posts. And that's where he had all the spots underneath there. And I used to go down to help service but these are secret agencies. eaten and there was a worm and one day I tell you this meat chicken. Tell me again there's a worm on when there's big splits and Emma thumbless kind of digging it out and he seen me and he said what are you doing now boy you plan has caused you plan I'm gonna dock you one hour. So the end of the day oh bugger did knock me an hour he took 10 cents out of my wages. That's what he paid me 10 cents an hour.
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I had the privilege of seeing him come into town. He's buckboard wagon.
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Horses or horses. My dad used to really get mad at him because he wouldn't look after his horses Very good. He wouldn't feed them properly and he wouldn't brush him down and dad used to give them hell. They lived a walker hook. My dad when he come home with his horses, he dropped the groceries off of the house easy little box and then go take horses rushing down feed them given the oats for you know many come to the house and have supper and it's usually nine o'clock at night by that time he gets home from Ganges early to work. He used to get paid. What did
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you tell me about your dad gave those verses to me now.
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Yeah, to Wilbur Deacon.
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Or Bridgette and
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that was it. Yeah, my dad never drank but the day he sold his horses to Wilbur DECA he came home and he was so drunk You hardly walk Wilbert well yeah they took over again Geez to Maine and a barge good old horses I got pictures around me strong or someplace me driving us versus
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did he work them or did he just he worked out you
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know doing little guards and lots of times and Ganges if he was going to work in Ganges he get up at four o'clock Leave about five this horses go to Ganges plow somebody's garden come all the way home. Darker night by then. If we ever went down to visit the ROI in Wally McCallums we'd have to go the long weekend because it took us all day to get there. And we saved for one day now I'll do come home next three days weighed down by Isabella point there's you know,
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more or less it is yeah, right. Well
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yeah, actually, Jim McCallum after he died.
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Was he killed in a logging
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accident he was killed.
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And then you and Roy got into lots of trouble. But
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we're not going to right now. We're trying to do
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failing miserably
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Okay, do you have any questions? No. It always goes
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on book you got that book here with Saltspring one of the families of Saltspring or the farmers of Saltspring or something there I gave you know my dad our pictures in there and yeah, the family photo. I'm not too sure
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so now do you have you got any other hard questions?
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I had questions you have no answers. Oh
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little normal those people.
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And did she write it down?
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I don't really know. Jerry might know Yeah. So
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pass it on to one of her kids. Yeah.
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You know, because that's that's sort of where I'm at with this what I have in my head. Yeah, and if I don't if I don't write it down like this or get it on tape and stuff. The Next Generation Yeah. If I was hit by a bus tomorrow that gum and ask you a question you go. I think it was it was my grandpa. Yes, I've seen him. I've seen that luck before. And resenting Grandfather.
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Grandfather. Your grandfather was from England.
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She's accusing my mother suddenly my she came home chef
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Elizabeth Lizzie everybody called
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her tuber brothers and her father got Kill in the Sheffield mill where they make knives Sheffield steel. And they're so dangerous job. I guess nothing
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smoking steel when they
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I guess there's my wagons
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just your head Queenie and if you one of them was green. Did you know John Shepard? No. by that name has been brought up 100 times I know that name, but I didn't really
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know him. I think you lift up the north end of the aisle. Yes. He did someplace up there. He was. He married a triggy dragees. Married draggy. Yeah. And then divorced her and married Elizabeth Harris. Ah, okay. Now this this was my grandfather's sister. Oh, yeah.
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I've heard those names on there times that didn't really know that.
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Well, Jimmy. Jimmy Harris, who was her little brother lodged with them on one of the censuses that had them up there. And he married my grandmother Matilda.
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Oh, yeah. Okay. See that?
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Yeah, you had a Matilda. In your in the old folks. Your dad sister was Matilda. Yeah. He had a Rosalie and a Louisa also. And in our family line is a Rosalie and Louisa, was in the popular names of the of
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those of the same people. I don't know.
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You know, like there's that whole DNA thing I know Rocky's gotten into it. And I have and my brother Dave Lee, and when they get those results from their I don't know how to read it very well. But when they get those results, there is a definite connection between the Samson's through Rockies DNA, which is your same family. And, and us, and like the few marriages we have, isn't going to be like a DNA match. Not not back that far. So when we get into your grandparents era, they're about the ages of, of my grandfather, and even my great grandfather, William Malcolm,
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I wouldn't be surprised those people that you just mentioned, were my ads. Because in those days, there was hardly anybody never saw spring anyhow. So they kind of intermarriage with everybody.
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You did. You did. And that's why the in the Hawaiian community down there, we married into the First Nations boom, but then this couple, and then that couple their their next door neighbors, their kids would get married. Sure. And then down the road, those kids might, you know,
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my dad always said that we were related to the Romans. He always said that, but see that could be through his sisters. I know. It
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would be I think he wouldn't be more along connection along Lucy. And her brothers and sisters and her grandfather and his well down. Did he have family here? Or were they all back in England? Who's your grandfather? who married Lucy? Oh, sure. That's right. It was alone here. The rest of his family's back in England. No, yeah, he's
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here himself. Yeah.
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Well, and one brother What was the burden at Turner? That's right, you see, so they might even had a big family but there's only two of them here. There's tons
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of Samson's on Nanaimo and Duncan area and I used to think Wonder what my grandfather was doing anyway.
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Yeah, they didn't talk about that much. No, no, no, but you know then you see someone baptize me oh okay, so your your father Henry and his brother Charlie, we're here from England. But then the Lucy's family the Petersons there could have been an easily connected between one of her brothers sisters or brothers to like no, come on. Exactly. My faults definitely. Gotta be if the DNA stuff they're looking at matches then there is someone back in there. Oh, no, that one. Do you Dad always thought we related? Oh, yeah. Well, there's lots to be said. Like those. Those all folks. They, they didn't share a lot but they throw out comments like that. Oh, well, that's your uncle or that's your cousin or something.
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And my lovelies, we're related along these two through I guess lads, I don't really know that many is not even know them to start with that many hands.
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So Lucy had family or did you have a big family? I know your grandmother. Don't remember that. They were on Cooper. Yeah.
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I don't remember.
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I think I looked them up on the archives and I can I found a few names of pizzas from there. You Is that could be the gene pool where we we crossed because then they would be related to her to you. Yeah. And then to us
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what Samson woman that married Palau was his
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auntie. Yeah, probably
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one generation before us
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are great to the US it was well, no, he was our first cousin once removed generation.
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Yeah, stuff like that wouldn't surprise me one little bit because there's not that many people around.
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A lot of new marriages within within a community. That's one son married that one's daughter married that one round and
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my dad told me one time when he first asked my mom to marry him, he was so excited. He had a little pony in a really run so he got home after work and hopped on his pony rode all the way down to the McCallums to tell him about his wedding.
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That's a long way so long.
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I used to travel my dad on his wagon a lot because I was always quite a big kid and I was quite strong at all times. And he said take me with him and shearing sheep and working around stuff. He said tell me stories. He told me one time when him and his kid brother Charlie went down Oh, Walker hookans time in the Indians are coming across in sloths and then they were fighting in polar after fast throwing rocks down and shooting arrows at these guys and now come up. I can remember the Indians going from all those places like Maine and galley and stuff when I was a kid and they're going to Cooper Island to have a Potlatch and they went red by from Ladakh we could hear the drums from our place furloughed they're really loved
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Yeah, I was just remembering how they used to come to the little reserve right across from where we live and Fulford harbour Yeah, it's a tiny reserved there. And they did quite a few years
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in a row don't move anymore. No, they would come
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in there and their boats and canoes and tents and drum for a few days.
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Back I remember watching Goodbye for no more from there was a big long canoe with I don't know how many kids and the lady was sitting in the middle of a row. She'd wrote like a rowboat. And the old man was sitting in a factory and couldn't line that crazy Old Navy journey. But family was that Did you know no one was probably you know, I wouldn't be surprised if they're related to just go go out figure out a name. Aikens on Main Did you ever know anybody
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know that name? No. That's
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that's kind of or, or the jacks?
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Probably the that was they were from Maine.
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Yeah. Did you ever know about Jack Jack?
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Zack Decker. One
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of the kids was called Jack. That was his name, Jack Jack.
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Well, there's a census that I looked at. I think it was 1901. And our cousins, Jimmy and Charlie Harris are on Maine with their grandparents. And it says their name it looks more like it's handwriting we will work to it looks more like yuck yuck. But you know we've looked at look in that name doesn't come close to anything except Jack. Yeah, you know handwriting big to the Big J could have looked like a y. And the una would be easy to switch with a
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guy working on a ferry and his name is Jake way he couldn't be something like that. Yeah, yeah. Every column Jake what his real name was.
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Well, the Jackson on main island. How many of them were there?
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I really couldn't tell you.
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What was named Felix Jack. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. See if that might have been their family. Did you renew? No, a man named Purvis.
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Percy has his name first name is Percy. I can't No, I can't remember. I didn't know.
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It's mentioned in this on this page right here. Oh, yeah.
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What's his first name? Does it tell you though?
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It just says Mr. Purvis. And Mr. Condell Yeah, they were building our house.
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I remember all those names. Who
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was Mr. Purpose? Because some people used to refer to our grandfather as page as purpose. Oh, yeah.
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Couldn't be Oh
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wow I wish I could find that in my on my phone it's got all my aunts names I just thought about that written written down and their ears they're born and on and on and I can't find doesn't that tick you off? Yeah, me too
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anyways as I said people used to refer to our rapper as Pete Purvis. Yeah late
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so if they called him Purvis he must have had say it's been stayed some time with the family name purpose for them to call him that but we don't know that mention of yes, you remember to Mr. Purvis is the first time I found anybody really knew anything about purpose the only purpose I know was purpose leave everything over there and I did hear something that this purpose now had something to do with Mote store maybe before it was more or he was a partner with them when they started it and maybe that's why they call it purpose laying right down to you know where it is right beside maybe he was one of the founding guys of that
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game that makes me met the seizure real pain right where I'm sitting. I saw just before I came down here
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I looked in the back to see that there's no previous entered the P.
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Now who are you talking about? The Crockers No, you're talking about Andy somebody rather than is it Andy Crocker
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lives a lady Smith on his boat. Obviously I know yours. Um, is
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he related to you? Is he a friend?
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Oh, no, no. Yeah, friends. We work together. Me and Andy and Edmond. Everybody knows him and he's crazy.
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Who's Edmund?
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His brother spoke the native language. No, and I think I need us Yeah, I mean, Edwin he we used to have a lot of fun together. I was crazy. He is was a matter of fact when he passed away he said he wanted to be buried in the church at Central because my father was buried there that's where he's buried man I can't find that. How am I supposed to get something out that was off the floor do you know what this thing is it in the pictures no one saw all my answers names written down
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as an email or a message on written on a
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handwritten on a piece of paper and you took a picture of it no rocky took a picture of it on this thing so
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rocky must have sent it to you so would be an email from Rocky
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no is no Facebook
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no there is no idea
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there was one Rocky's dad Bruce Bruce all my brothers are nice guys. I had a great time working with Bruce I learned a lot from him when I first started working in the bush
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yeah
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what if I could do something else here
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to play a clip of Uncle Paul
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I can't find that
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okay, do this work this out here. I wish I could find that right now because it's really really important I wonder how I can do that.
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I have Rocky's email address I don't have his Facebook because I don't do Facebook I'm just dumb at it but I can eat I can email them and say rocky sent me that thing with Yes I Can
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Can you do that right now?
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If I can get if the internet says Justin SR that doesn't always doesn't always like me.
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Yeah, we do. I go to
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this one over I have to make sure I've got Rocky's addressing directly
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then that's shining in your eyes.
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I love it. I just can't see around. I'll be okay. I'm okay I'm okay. I'm okay Samsung wrong Samsung. Samsung.
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So you don't know anything about the service name?
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what else what else can we cover? What's the first thing you remember? How old are you? What's your first memory?
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My first remember
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I can't remember what my foot was too long ago
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I don't have very far back I think my first memory was about five in our standing in our our yard. You're playing on the swing set that built him and Doug Lasseter. Were hanging on the screen door and they called me over to make sure I was tall enough to reach them that was five five maybe even six in that age group.
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One of my problems well here's some more one look another pitcher Miss
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Oh, look at these ones. You got one right there. Nice suit. See all dressed up.
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Your pants in the middle there. We even put your uncle Lloyd you in a suit? No wait, yeah. Wait sure
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to go to school and show prions and remedies Yes.
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That was that was pretty standard the short pants with the jacket
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that smell nice George mess IV Wow.
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Look at that. Now I'm just that little
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over here. Yeah.
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Oh, you me Georgia. Nymi This is Georgia. Next hole was further that's you? Oh my my my Sure. We used to run run short pants and rubber
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boots. Oh, yeah. And bare feet. Yeah.
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I remember that. I remember
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the feeling of the clean road. And my bare feet was like really really smooth. There was
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places where it was smooth
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the cold like clay. Yeah, practically. flat on a flat flat flat flat. We could do the barnacles on the boundary. Yeah.
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I know how regular single back and forth ready to go school again. That school was pretty new when I started there. I actually I went to Fernwood school, but I was not going to school. I used to just go out there and play with the kids. And torment. I can remember one one Christmas signs up there. And Santa Claus gave me a gun. You go like this real fast and Lou wheel and me sparks come up. Water cancer was geared solely to that little gun. I used to chase around and he goes I need look around the corner. I shoot him I'm I got a little bigger. I was. Yeah. Steven. Steven origin he had a gun caps. Oh, yeah. Well, I had one of those later. Yeah, we were scared of him. I was talking to him. I was talking to Steven today.
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Yeah, he was here yesterday.
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He thought it was Sunday. Every time that Christian is in this email, she sent me to ask Charlie Zelly the story of how the key to the first jail handcuffs got lost. Oh, who said that? Chris Marshall.
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Oh, who is Ernie? I think I think you put Ernie, the handcuffs on Ernie. Your brother. Yeah. And then they lost the key or they couldn't get what's up underneath the big old cherry tree? I wasn't even born then. But I've heard this story and mum went and found the key. And then she hit it on him.
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Well, did they handcuff them to something or do they
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just put handcuffs together? Yeah. And after a while she let him loose. The handcuffs and all that stuff. It's in archives on Rainbow Road. Farmers Institute. Yeah, you guys got this?
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Oh, yeah, I've been that long.
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winded up, but talk about your family. At the central hall.
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Yeah. Ken did most of the talking. I want to help them out a little bit. I want him up there as long as he could make him suffer. I can't find that. There's a picture of us. We'll go home today. There's our family picture. Yeah, my dad's not there. Right now
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so Who were your neighbors?
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Why Scott's? Oh, yeah. Why Scott really left that.
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He also spoke with Uncle Paul Yep.
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Wow, years ago when my older brothers are overseas. And Maggie Wescott got an electricity and a phone because her like Well Frank West, but he was blind. And so and they just run the line in and they nailed to trees or anything they could and then they'd fallen in and then she'd run all across the field and yell at my mom. Lizzie telephone so my mum would have to run all the way back to the phone can you see me in there
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now I mean that's one of the features they will let me in because I sense your battle and see
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I think can I see victory I see Cliff I knew them I didn't know maybe you were taking the picture a
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couple of times he came down with this this way and remember clearly the best No wonder I couldn't find you.
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Your problem. I was probably in camps and
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so who else were your neighbors?
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Scott and Ellen basil curry. ABC we used to live Lebanon's nationals looked on the top of the hill and that was our closest and did you have any pictures of Justin Rose
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where's my parents that's my Mommy. Oh
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there a fine looking couple.
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one of Leon to see that Hi