Salt Spring Island Archives
| Accession Number | |||
| Date | 2018 | ||
| Media | digital recording | Audio | mp3 √ |
| duration | 96 & 6 min. |
403_Jackie-Hagan(Lumley)_2018_Pt1.mp3, 403_Jackie-Hagan(Lumley)_2018_Pt2.mp3
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12.02.2024
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Part One
Part Two
Part One
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hit record on this.
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How's the kids in the nominal? Good?
Speaker 1 0:06
Yeah, they're good online. He's really happy to hear that. She's got a little girl, third cousin or whatever she is now second cousin. Yeah. Okay,
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so let's see. Jackie, I'm here. I'm here. Jackie Hagen, Jackie hambre and Becky Hagen, I have Hagen So,
Unknown Speaker 0:29
but Jack your maiden name
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is Lumley. Right? So maybe just tell me I know we started talking a little bit before but tell me about your family. So where you were born and your parents and your brothers and your sisters rather? Oh, well, I
Unknown Speaker 0:46
was born in Salt, salt spring. Three girls that were born in Salt Spring when I read it was born in Sydney. And Glen was born in Victoria. And did both of those versus
Unknown Speaker 1:00
a school stay there but they came back to Salt Lake you were all a family and
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so yeah, they were just born there
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was my girlfriend doing it? Victoria?
Unknown Speaker 1:12
Sydney Gumma got a lovely spin Sydney. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 1:17
Yeah. So she was in Sydney and how did how did we come back to where? When you're on Saltspring.
Unknown Speaker 1:24
But so where did where did your Where did your mother's family originate from?
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The states did mama de
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comer to karma. And what was her name? Your mom, Curtin, dear Carpentier. And her first name was Rebecca, Rebecca. And she is born in the states and she had did she have brothers and sisters?
Unknown Speaker 1:47
Yeah, she had her sister lived out. Russell Allen and the anti lavalla.
Speaker 1 1:54
Presenting Lavon and actual blood sister. Yeah. How was she related? Because I can say
Unknown Speaker 2:00
mothers. Okay, say mothers fathers.
Speaker 1 2:05
So it was Auntie Lavon up older than grandma younger.
Unknown Speaker 2:09
Younger but I don't know how much younger I thought it was a couple of years but could have been more than that. So that's
Speaker 1 2:17
good. So we've got was no grandma had an older sister. Yeah, this Marguerite I never did. Dora. The one that called sis. I don't know could have been. And that's when the died. Right? Yeah. Okay. And then there's grandma. And then you're saying no. How is that? How is Uncle Sam related to
Unknown Speaker 2:36
his use of half a half brother. Okay, so
Speaker 1 2:41
we've got been, you've got carpenter and great grandma. Carpentier grandma's mom. She was with carpenter and had three kids to the two girls. Is that right? I don't know what you're good at. Cheap carp ship. Oh, yeah. Right. And then after that, then there was Auntie Levana you sir.
Unknown Speaker 3:03
Yeah, that's g was a Wilson. She was a Wilson same as same as Z. Uncle Sam went by by wilt. He went by Lordan. But it was actually a Wilson. Is that Wilson wi
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l s o n?
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Wi l a swim.
Speaker 1 3:22
Okay, so that
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didn't change his name. Lordan like lard and his dad.
Speaker 1 3:30
Okay, so Auntie Levana and Uncle Sam are brother and sister.
Unknown Speaker 3:37
Yes, yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1 3:39
so So, grandma's mom had one family with three kids, a boy and two girls. Nuts grandmas direct family. Yeah, but
Unknown Speaker 3:47
besides that, okay. And
Speaker 1 3:50
then. Then she had a second family with Wilson with anti Levana and Uncle Sam. Yeah, do Carpenter was the first one right? Yeah, I
Unknown Speaker 4:01
guess so. Yeah. So I can't remember that stuff. No, what
Speaker 1 4:06
are you talking about? Are the Mortal Kombat two so why did Uncle Sam go by
Unknown Speaker 4:11
Lordan because they didn't graze them. So they Wilson took off and then there was large number of quilts. Were walked in came in there
Speaker 1 4:26
somebody it's probably that guy working in his house down across the railway.
Unknown Speaker 4:30
But so just so I'm straight. So this is your your mom's
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family.
Unknown Speaker 4:37
And so her mom was she was she can ACA was she part first? Part, Hawaiian?
Unknown Speaker 4:46
Yeah. They said in that book that she was she was when they call but they call it an equity in that green book because they almost acted like she was full, full native, but I don't think she was she wasn't That's where the Hawaiian side came in her side.
Unknown Speaker 5:02
Okay, so she was she was maybe half half she was half Hawaiian and half, half American First Nations maybe Lummi Island or something because she was born in the San Juan so your
Unknown Speaker 5:15
mom? My mom? Yeah. Tacoma Tacoma, right?
Unknown Speaker 5:19
So there was another person that's maybe on your dad's side that was born in the San Juan's, but we'll get to that. So
Unknown Speaker 5:29
we're in San Juan's. No. Well,
Unknown Speaker 5:30
let's show you what it says on this archive site. You're the you're the one that's got to correct
Unknown Speaker 5:35
that if that's Yeah, but I mean, I don't know for sure.
Unknown Speaker 5:39
We'll we'll find we'll go to some different sources. But so just to complete about your mom so that's your mom was in Tacoma and then she went to a school it wasn't a residential school, I don't think Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 5:49
Was Was it a resident?
Unknown Speaker 5:53
Gotcha. Now it was it was a president job to U. S. H.
Unknown Speaker 5:58
Cushman school, and that was in Washington.
Speaker 1 6:02
It was in Washington work. Was that pure pure mom or where it was was I
Unknown Speaker 6:07
don't know if it's in pure I think it was in I don't think it was in Tacoma. No.
Unknown Speaker 6:13
This batteries are going I'm gonna put a battery you know, maybe it's okay. It's got AAA
Unknown Speaker 6:28
Okay, yeah, let's let's go.
Unknown Speaker 6:31
It's just not much power there. So down pol up, she went school. No, that's where she
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should appeal. Right mom,
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barn barn in Tacoma Tacoma.
Unknown Speaker 6:45
Okay, and where's Christmas school out? Do we know?
Unknown Speaker 6:47
I didn't know what I thought was in Bureau I don't know for sure.
Unknown Speaker 6:50
We can look it up. But did she spend a lot of time at that school? Well, she
Unknown Speaker 6:55
used to go back down of juicing up Canada here in the summertime and then go back down and they fall okay. And live there. And
Unknown Speaker 7:04
why would she come up to Salt Spring in the summertime was was this is when her her mum and dad were here now or her mom anyway was here. Isabel boy, okay. And so she would go back down to the state
Unknown Speaker 7:15
didn't come up here and work. My mom used to work she worked at the gym that big hotel in Victoria. The Empress Yeah, she were the Empress one year,
Unknown Speaker 7:24
right. What'd you do there?
Unknown Speaker 7:25
Well waitressing and stuff just were earning money for school. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 7:29
And then she go back to the school in we're gonna find her
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dad because Yeah, her dad Aaron Andy. Love it. You struggle together back and forth.
Unknown Speaker 7:41
And so they were you know, American basically by
Unknown Speaker 7:44
Yeah, definition. She had a good time getting old age pension because she had to prove that she was in Canada. That extra time proven. You know, just getting married to dad didn't make her Canadian No. Pension. Yeah, that's true. And that's that's so the gentleman when the old timers dumb down there. They had to swear that they knew her all these years. You know that? She was in Ghana?
Unknown Speaker 8:09
Do you know what year she was born your mom?
Unknown Speaker 8:13
Night do not update you not for 1904 Yeah, cuz that was 89. Oh, close. Yeah. Because the older woman? Nope. And I just
Unknown Speaker 8:26
got swapped around the other way round.
Unknown Speaker 8:30
So she was born down there. She would come up to Salt Spring in the summers. And they her mum was already living at Isabella point. Do you know where abouts is? I
Unknown Speaker 8:42
don't know when it was about point. I have no idea.
Unknown Speaker 8:49
And so how about on your dad's side? So
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let's say before they married? Where? Where did your dad's people come from? That's the two Hooni dolly
Unknown Speaker 9:00
to honey.
Unknown Speaker 9:00
And that's the that's the results. But the original two honey who came over he was with the Hudson's Bay Company
Unknown Speaker 9:08
Yeah. I don't think his name was down he then did they wanna? I forget I forget what it was. It's
Unknown Speaker 9:18
funny how those names changed a lot isn't it?
Speaker 1 9:20
Yeah, forget anglicized them. I should have brought my phone. I'm sorry. I should have brought my phone just looking at the Christian school
Unknown Speaker 9:29
pictures. Well, I've got them on here too. So this yucky free can't see this. But this is
Unknown Speaker 9:36
this is on here. We've got William Nirwana to Huni to honey. Yeah. And it has his born April 10 1826 on the Sandwich Islands. So at this point, not sure where this information came from. It might have come from Bill your cousin and it says they lived at Isabella Point Road It also says his wife was couching. And it spells her name here. I don't know how to pronounce it,
Unknown Speaker 10:05
to see
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to sell it to sell or share something to leech into lychee to lychee. Thanks. So, but we don't know for certain if she was couching
Unknown Speaker 10:14
and then certainly lived in garden, Isabel fine either. I didn't know that he lived as well. Because I didn't know I was youngest. Yeah, Bill younger than me. So I already know
Unknown Speaker 10:26
I don't know. That's That's just it. You make up these histories depending on what the stories you've been told. So but in any case, whether where they lived or not, you would know perhaps were to honey, he had kids with his wife, who was purportedly First Nations, and then the youngest of those was or close to the youngest was Joseph Edward Xad. Joseph Edward colony. Well, don't know what that is know who
Unknown Speaker 11:01
my dad was. That may have been Joe. Donnie. That'd be that'd be my grandmother's dad. Joe, Donnie. never loved me scrim alone was
Unknown Speaker 11:09
down. Yeah. So
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and what was your What was your grandmother's name?
Unknown Speaker 11:15
My grandmother, Mary, Mary.
Unknown Speaker 11:18
Okay, so that's a good way to trace the family tree back. Right.
Unknown Speaker 11:22
Yeah.
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So that's where so if the original
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Nirwana
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are these guys,
Unknown Speaker 11:30
he has several names. So he's Hawaiian. And he marries up perhaps couch and woman and then they have are married or not, and then they have Joe. And then Joe has married. Right. And Mary is your grandmother grandma on that street? Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 1 11:52
grew up was mom, right? Yeah. Yeah. So the one used to lay in bed watching her and dress Oh,
Unknown Speaker 11:56
yeah. I used to be there when the whole family together. Somebody had to sleep in grandma's bed because Jen Oh, they did on their own and and I used to struggle to to get that done said always work course. The first thing she got up in the morning she put this quarter up, man regular with all bones and everything. Oh, yeah. Because that was the fastball without without that she said that you would never be able to set up curl because she felt that that's what kept her together was that core? Is the heart rate.
Unknown Speaker 12:31
And she was really small, isn't she? Oh, she
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was little, little tiny lady.
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Mrs. Mary. Yeah.
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And did she live it as a bell point at the time then?
Unknown Speaker 12:41
She must have Yeah, that's when the word gets used. She's come in ERG is that Carrie is stepping as a geese use of Chase. They've very geese are very, very, they just they watch dogs. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Have you given their yard? Yeah. To carry a stick with you because the geese would take care of funny.
Unknown Speaker 13:02
So do you remember going down there when you were a child? To her? She
Unknown Speaker 13:06
was she was gone by then. Oh, she was she's Sydney by then. Yeah, okay.
Unknown Speaker 13:10
So when you have this memory of her when you guys all being together? Was that when she would be at your mum and dad's
Unknown Speaker 13:15
house? No. Why isn't he Oh, in Sydney
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and her her husband would be had passed away by then.
Unknown Speaker 13:25
I guess. Yeah, she would choose a guy grab a cap then. got dinner. It was Johnny Graham, but I knew
Unknown Speaker 13:33
Oh, okay. But that's not he wasn't the first I
Unknown Speaker 13:37
don't know the I don't know when he died. They Oh, all lovely. I don't know when he died. I have no idea. So then she was together with Captain Turner. Captain mangas your captain? I don't know. That was just his nickname cap turn. Yeah, okay.
Unknown Speaker 13:58
You can still remember him doing somersaults? Oh,
Unknown Speaker 14:01
yeah. Every time you come to visit us and someday we'd bring his great big watermelon. We just goes when did get watermelon then you know? And boy, we're sure happy to see him with this watermelon. Is that anytime we ever even tasted it was when he brought it? No, no. Not that we know of.
Unknown Speaker 14:23
Yeah, who knows? But
Unknown Speaker 14:24
where was he getting the watermelon from? Do you think
Unknown Speaker 14:27
maybe he's living in Sydney then? Okay, he is Baywatch. He used a watchman at the the RCF at RAF stations in Sydney. Yeah, he was they all day everyone really loved him. Oh, God did his funeral. They're all there. Oh, really?
Unknown Speaker 14:45
Yeah. Remember that? Yeah.
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Was that held in?
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Nine Saltspring.
Unknown Speaker 14:51
Oh, that's it. Oh, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 14:55
I know that's when they used to lay them they used to lay in. I don't know what they call it. Though he was in the he was in the casket laying in his front in their front room. They used to do that what they call lack of viewing, yes. But they, they do three days they used to be and they were at at the Diviners place it just right close to where the fairy came in.
Unknown Speaker 15:19
Oh, it's so fun. Yeah, we're so let's
Unknown Speaker 15:21
recap was born is buried in that English church yeah the one that's on the highway. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's bought us buried there.
Speaker 1 15:34
Pictures of his graveyard somewhere we were down there for something you were with me? Yeah, we can look it up.
Unknown Speaker 15:40
But so where did they live down there in Fulford? Er, this is the CAP. CAP cap.
Unknown Speaker 15:46
Yeah, they never really they they were they were living in Sydney then. Oh, Sydney
Unknown Speaker 15:53
memorial service over on Salisbury because that's
Unknown Speaker 15:55
where he was from. It's where he was great. I mean, they spent most of their life there.
Speaker 1 15:59
Okay, so do you know where he was originally from? No.
Unknown Speaker 16:06
But I know he left Dad, do you left that property? And that ended up selling that day. commun. Oh, so ticked off about that, because I will leave that behind those schools and Isabella point that properly that gap cabinet.
Unknown Speaker 16:23
Went to crap pacella to ACHEMA. I don't know. I have no idea.
Unknown Speaker 16:27
You were old enough that you were kind of miffed? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 16:30
Because I thought I'd like to read I'd like to have that property because it wasn't a big piece of property. But you know, we've been nice, but
Unknown Speaker 16:36
it was his Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 16:40
Not me something. And so just jump back to what you said a few minutes ago but somebody living on Russell island because I wasn't sure that connection who was living on Russell Island,
Unknown Speaker 16:49
the fishers. Oh, right. Which is used to live there.
Unknown Speaker 16:53
Now. Are you related to the fishers through the Douglas
Unknown Speaker 16:56
flew at the Nirvana was married to Fisher? Okay. It used to be Douglass and all of us be out there. Isabella point No. Russell Lima. Yeah. I don't know who's got who's got Reza lamb Allah. You know, I
Unknown Speaker 17:11
think it's in the park system, but they
Unknown Speaker 17:13
were gonna make it part of the wion heritage thing. It was at one point. Yeah, like, I think we've
Unknown Speaker 17:20
done that because the, the fishers and the Douglass, some of them do go over in the summertime and kind of do a caretaking thing. And people come and visit the island. And they give them a bit of the history because the house is Maria Mahoney had it still stands pretty much the way it was.
Unknown Speaker 17:35
Yeah. Well, I used to live there.
Speaker 1 17:38
So how did that actually look? Why was that Levana? There? Because
Unknown Speaker 17:42
she's she was part of the what's the word? Said? Douglas. Yeah, yeah. See, Fisher was part of the Douglas family. So that
Speaker 1 17:50
would have been the other side of great grandma Carpenter's marriage. Is that what you're saying? relationship or auntie Lavanya was born with that come from the male side default antivirus father?
Unknown Speaker 18:07
Bad the beam wouldn't been mother's side wouldn't be from grandma. No,
Speaker 1 18:10
Carpenter, we can probably look that was your grandmother's maiden name was to how many? Okay, so? Maybe maybe the maybe I'm lucky, because I'm trying to figure out how the fissures were related. There, but they're related to anti Leviathan, right?
Unknown Speaker 18:31
Yeah, they're not new to us. Yeah, because they are too minor. Yeah, but as far as Douglass's go deck, does that relate to us?
Speaker 1 18:41
Okay. That's where things get complicated because a lot of these a lot of these First Nation women would be left with their with their kids, their, like, their, their husbands would either or mates would either die or move on to something else. And then, you know, to survive, I guess they
Unknown Speaker 19:00
would Oh, man knows that. Welfare. Anything those days? No, yeah, I didn't have another guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1 19:09
they didn't have this sort of tribal society where they can go back, you know, to their, to their, their their tribe, basically. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 19:18
hell yeah. And at that time, First Nations were pretty decimated. Yes. happening. So we talked about your mom being done states and, you know, sort of what happened with her. What do you know about your dad where you know, where he grew up? And where did he go to school? And it's all Saltspring. Yeah. So he grew up in his development. Yeah. And just to be clear, again, his mom and dad were what were their names, just weekend.
Unknown Speaker 19:45
William was Jeremy. Islam was downy and his dad was lovely. William were a big game. Yeah. And he can make it and he was, you know, he was glad to see that the pitch Isn't that connector bases is white guy seven months is dark? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 20:06
Well, there's lots of that. You look at that Fulford church picture and you know, there's more people in
Unknown Speaker 20:13
the center. I wonder how he treated her, you know? Those days?
Unknown Speaker 20:17
Yeah. Well, you don't know you'd like to think with respect because there weren't a lot of women available. Yeah, a lot of these men too.
Speaker 1 20:24
I think well, I can, I can always remember granite kitchen talking about her mum. And Father. Because her dad was English and her mum was was first nations. This is Carl's grandmother.
Unknown Speaker 20:37
Right? And sorry, just the kitchens where they couch and you know, I don't know where
Speaker 1 20:42
you can we can keep track of. But I can remember her always saying that her dad never ate with the family. He or her? Oh, they got
Unknown Speaker 20:53
Oh, is that Ray, they always had the teacher boarding at their place teacher that taught schooler. Oh, yeah. And he always ate with him.
Speaker 1 21:02
And then and then the mother, the wife would eat with the kids. I
Unknown Speaker 21:06
don't know, wherever she ate, but she didn't. He never ate with the kids. Because
Unknown Speaker 21:10
he was too sort of special in the household. You
Unknown Speaker 21:15
know, English people never. They didn't eat with their kids. Even in England. They ate separately. I see. Didn't they?
Unknown Speaker 21:23
Yeah. So that sort of ruled the household that kind of colonial aspect. More than anything, first nations that have come into it. Yeah, they'd be very family based.
Unknown Speaker 21:34
Yeah, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 21:38
So okay, so your your, your dad was born in Isabella points, I'm guessing. Do you know who? Who was a midwife or anything?
Unknown Speaker 21:48
I don't know. I don't know. But I'm sure he was born there. Just
Unknown Speaker 21:53
thinking trying to think Bobby Coleman's grandma was a midwife. And she brought a lot of people in there. I don't know what you have to look at the ages and see how that relates to your age. They might have been contemporaries, almost age wise, but
Speaker 1 22:03
I think Bobby Cameron was closer to grandpa's age wasn't the mom, then then your age? Oh, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 22:09
Well, yeah. So I'm just saying that Bobby Friedman's grandmother was a midwife.
Speaker 1 22:13
Yeah, so maybe she delivers right.
Unknown Speaker 22:17
But so was the so was my grandmother was midwife do mushy?
Speaker 1 22:21
Which grandmother mom's mom's mom. Okay, so it
Unknown Speaker 22:25
tells you in that book, yeah. That she delivered a lot of babies
Unknown Speaker 22:29
down the side, right?
Unknown Speaker 22:31
No, my mom's mom's side, dear. Yeah,
Speaker 1 22:36
but carpet. Okay, but what was her what was your mom? What was your grandmother's maiden name?
Unknown Speaker 22:41
Got here?
Unknown Speaker 22:42
No, that was that was your grandmother. Not your mom. I
Unknown Speaker 22:44
don't know what her name name was. I don't know. But she was but that tells you that she was the she was the midwife.
Unknown Speaker 22:54
You're talking about the Tom couple. But are we talking about be Hamilton?
Unknown Speaker 22:58
Hamilton? Okay. All right.
Unknown Speaker 22:59
Well, we can we can
Unknown Speaker 23:01
do that. It's in that word that was gibberish to you. But they called they said to some kind of native I forget what it was.
Unknown Speaker 23:09
I forget now in other words, it said what nation she was maybe from Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 23:13
What kind of what founders what band she was from?
Unknown Speaker 23:17
Okay, well we'll look it up. So your dad was born it Isabella point by someone's hands. Yeah, it was Mother's and then where did he go to school? Is
Unknown Speaker 23:28
ballpoint that and where was the school? It is about I don't know. I just can't remember where was that it anybody from down there would know the Rollins would know where that where that where the school was there? Couldn't
Speaker 1 23:41
we visit that school one time Mom It seems to me we drove out to that little school. You went away
Unknown Speaker 23:48
I don't know. It's above it's above the height. The road that goes out is about it's a love it there. I don't know how to get that well. Bob ACHEMA wanted that because he had to run the sheep there.
Unknown Speaker 24:03
So that's the piece of property that that was sold to Barbican from the school. I remember driving out there years ago with my mom and you guys all we would use both Mike but I think it was more the home stamp kind of areas Yeah. And there was still a house there. I think
Unknown Speaker 24:21
it was really well I think I think it's still there it is. Yeah, they BZ be at that vz very bought Junker property out there because they wanted to put they were going to put their very, very dark in there. It's
Speaker 1 24:37
remember that they did that. Hey, yeah, remember when they did that?
Unknown Speaker 24:41
Yeah, they still have that. I wonder
Unknown Speaker 24:43
if they still I don't know. Because it's only a short distance over to Swartz Bay from there. Yeah. Well, they used to be able to they used to go to Victoria at that the Musa whistle and somebody would come over Isabel point pick them up by boat. They
Unknown Speaker 25:00
would whistle over to the other side. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 25:02
Don't feel close to them. Yeah, that's
Unknown Speaker 25:04
how close it is there. When you get out that point, I don't know what that point is called in the in
Unknown Speaker 25:11
the victorious Yeah, yeah. Well, I've heard about people going back and forth over there quite a bit. So it makes sense, but I never thought about whistling for a ride. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 25:18
Oh, yeah. Because they, you know, they're there. When they, when the guys come home from from blogging and stuff like that. There's no fun. No fun. Yeah, you're gonna get home somehow. And it was like quiet that they could they could haul it back and forth. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 25:36
that's true. So he went to school there. Do you know, do we know sort of what he would have gone to school until No, I don't know.
Speaker 1 25:44
Wasn't he one of the younger students there, though? Didn't. They had they had to enroll him too, in order to get enough students to get a teacher? Wasn't
Unknown Speaker 25:52
it? Something like that? I think yeah. I
Speaker 1 25:54
remember grandpa's saying something about that. Like he was four years old. You have seen him in pictures
Unknown Speaker 25:59
that
Speaker 1 26:00
he had, they had to enroll him. So they had enough students to have the government to send a teacher in or something.
Unknown Speaker 26:08
Isn't that right? Yeah. Something like that. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 26:12
So he went to school that was gone. Is that the only school he went to on? Saltspring? Do you think that's
Unknown Speaker 26:16
yeah. Oh, yeah. It
Unknown Speaker 26:18
didn't go down at the school. Did there wasn't there was no such thing as the high school going on? No, gosh,
Unknown Speaker 26:22
no, I don't think so. So he
Unknown Speaker 26:25
would have been this would have been maybe early 219 10s. Kind of that he was going to school early. Yeah. 1889 9999
Speaker 1 26:34
Okay. So it'd been early 1900 1910. And
Unknown Speaker 26:39
he loved what depending on how long you were, that didn't move to Ganges alive to get married. Yeah, he was always looked down. footway. So
Unknown Speaker 26:48
maybe let's get to where did how did you meet your mom. She
Unknown Speaker 26:52
was at Chick up to work her and her mom. Her mom was living note as well. Apparently. She was her mom was living at Xavier. She was she was midwife out that way to be family. Or not the beef. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 27:10
So they their properties might have been relatively close to each other then. Isabella point being small.
Unknown Speaker 27:15
She mean, I don't know. I have no idea.
Unknown Speaker 27:19
So the net down there when told Do you think they were when they first met?
Unknown Speaker 27:23
I don't know. I don't know what he was.
Unknown Speaker 27:27
She was 18 when she got married. But gee, she was 19 when when it one gene ID when? When really was
Unknown Speaker 27:33
born? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 27:36
So pretty early, and she would have been away at school for that and coming back in the summer. So. So when he was a few years older, and did they stay on? Saltspring when they first got married? Yeah. Yeah. Down in Isabella point. No,
Unknown Speaker 27:49
we're also up the Ganges. And is that that's what that is. There's been so mad at that because he played soccer. Forget Jesus. He used to be played soccer for perfect. And then he bet ran against all the guys who used to play with. Yeah. Was he a good soccer player? Yeah, he was really good. That really fast. Yeah. didn't
Speaker 1 28:12
mean it. That's how he lost his toe wasn't playing soccer. Yeah, because his toes spiked. And then last. And then he used to tell us where kids read chrome up to this toe off. That's why he doesn't even turn she wore dentures.
Unknown Speaker 28:30
The kids all convinced that she didn't
Unknown Speaker 28:35
know why would you don't your grandpa?
Unknown Speaker 28:36
So he did. He was involved in the
Unknown Speaker 28:39
community and Fulford before they decided, yeah. Why do you think they chose to live in Ganges instead of unfulfilled?
Unknown Speaker 28:44
Goodman, when they get away from out of Beaufort bunch?
Unknown Speaker 28:49
Yeah, they're just too much going on down there. And
Unknown Speaker 28:52
I don't know. I don't think she like the wrinkles to his thumb. They didn't get along too. Well.
Unknown Speaker 28:58
Yeah. Well, that's maybe a reason to change locales. And depending on maybe, maybe, I don't know, work wise or whatever. If there was opportunities wasn't
Unknown Speaker 29:07
always one way to work. What was he doing for work? I was logging and used to work on I used to work on the road when in the south, you know, when he wasn't logging? Yeah, I used to work on the road to pay for taxes. Oh, I used to be able to use bill to pay their taxes off that way. Was
Unknown Speaker 29:23
was Bobby Cummins. Dad kind of running the road crew then. Could have
Unknown Speaker 29:31
interesting. Yeah, they used to be able to pay the day off pay off the taxes by working on that.
Unknown Speaker 29:36
Was that right? Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 29:38
good system. Too bad. They
Unknown Speaker 29:39
would still do that.
Unknown Speaker 29:40
So he's working on the roads when he's there and then he would go away. Do
Unknown Speaker 29:44
you know where you go fishing and that
Unknown Speaker 29:46
fishing and logging? So where would you go
Unknown Speaker 29:48
when we mostly go fishing up north skin up to there?
Unknown Speaker 29:53
Did he have his own boat?
Unknown Speaker 29:55
The woods. I don't know if it's their own border. These are our fleet of boats. They used to what do you call where you call it, they'd be just kind of cooperative. That's what they call it. But there was quite a few. There's quite a few of them. Because they used to go fishing. And it's all all freedom boats. And that was one that was looked after at all. And so when they turned when they turn the money in, like when they drained the fish in here, they'd pay him cash. And one time mom brought us she used to go up as it were wherever she used to go. He she had to bring when I was a baby, she brought she had all the money on her and come up with the Malahat parent. He was one of the robin going on the melihat then, really, and she had old money all pendant and eat my baby clothes. Because they're all yours had. She had all the money from the fishermen. I'll pin the nice air.
Unknown Speaker 30:59
Your safety deposit box? Yeah. How do you feel about
Unknown Speaker 31:06
that? Thank God they didn't. Exactly.
Unknown Speaker 31:08
I should have never heard anything. Well, the robberies on the mound or they used to be loud.
Unknown Speaker 31:12
Apparently. They call it robbery when they call it probably highway robbery. Yeah. They say, Oh, yeah, there was quite a bit of it. Because, of course,
Speaker 1 31:21
that's where all the money would be coming from the government. Right. from Victoria up over the Malahat. All the way up down would be from the coal mining. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 31:30
Mining going on in Nanaimo then. Yeah.
Speaker 1 31:32
Was mining going on up in Cumberland at that time, too. Yeah. So your payroll would come up probably from Victoria up right.
Unknown Speaker 31:40
That's true. Yeah, the Chad L is money it almost like close. Maybe that's your magic. That's
Unknown Speaker 31:51
pretty clever.
Speaker 1 31:55
What I can always remember used to talk about when grandma and grandpa first got married and grandpa was working in a in a logging camp. And she went she went to the logging camp as a cook and she couldn't
Unknown Speaker 32:07
wear you know what? That was? cambios it was Camila? Yeah, that was that was covered logging her and she couldn't cook. She took the job of cooking. So daddy's have to get up really early and make it all the breakfast ready and all that stuff
Unknown Speaker 32:25
she kept on boarding school. Yeah, that's funny. Well, that's good. Your dad to pull double duty
Speaker 1 32:34
to know Oh, yeah. back he'll do it. Boil water. He couldn't she couldn't boil water. Talking about two of them didn't last
Unknown Speaker 32:43
too long at that, ya
Unknown Speaker 32:46
know, I don't get mad and you're going out there. Now what? What
Unknown Speaker 32:50
sort of year might not have been when did they get married? What year you said he was she was a barista
Unknown Speaker 32:56
was born. And she would read. Oh, well, 10 years old, just 10 years older than me. Children born
Speaker 1 33:04
in 1923. And I did pretty rewarding night in 1933. So she was born in 1923.
Unknown Speaker 33:11
So they were born. And she was an eight month old baby eight month baby.
Speaker 1 33:18
We never knew grandma and grandpa's anniversary. Until he died. Right?
Unknown Speaker 33:22
Yeah, because they wouldn't they wouldn't sound dumb because they have to get married. So those days they never admitted. Well,
Speaker 1 33:29
if actually Rita was born in 1923 and grandma was born in in at night, but oh she was born in 18 OR 19 or four right? Yeah, right. So she's
Unknown Speaker 33:45
probably Becky or what Anita will
Unknown Speaker 33:47
shoot for myself or mother
Unknown Speaker 33:52
because I probably you guys wouldn't pick it up because
Speaker 1 33:55
it goes out to the business as they pour over to the business
Unknown Speaker 33:59
so we just wait to get done. So
Unknown Speaker 34:01
so she was cooking out there maybe when she was did Are you saying she had read of them out there at the count at the cranberry?
Unknown Speaker 34:10
I don't think really was born
Unknown Speaker 34:12
now. So this is before she
Unknown Speaker 34:13
had children? Well, I
Speaker 1 34:14
mean if she was if she was if if Rente got read it was an eight month old baby or a month pregnancy they would shoot him pregnant with her.
Unknown Speaker 34:25
Yeah, she might have been pregnant what they're out there but not not born yet.
Unknown Speaker 34:31
So they were Hello they wrote it
Unknown Speaker 34:34
the out of the cranberry for probably just a summer or something then hey, Jackie.
Unknown Speaker 34:40
No, Jerry I have no idea. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 34:43
And and when did they was the name of the Ganges. Was that to the original property where you as always left what was the address on on Churchill road. But it was the same property always.
Unknown Speaker 34:56
has been Yeah, that's the only property ever had They're
Unknown Speaker 35:02
all find out the address because of course the house is still there isn't it? Yeah yeah. And do you know about what year they would have built that house?
Unknown Speaker 35:10
They moved in they moved it before we need to before when was born when would been five years after after back Juanita after we read to
Unknown Speaker 35:22
you guys are all five years apart? No
Unknown Speaker 35:24
no. Four years I guess four years after road money it went when Anita but Rita Edwin four years apart and Gwen and I were five years apart.
Unknown Speaker 35:35
Oh I see.
Unknown Speaker 35:37
So So all three of you grew up in that house all three guests
Unknown Speaker 35:43
they brought when needed they brought 20 They keep they they brought when home did that house and OpenCart built that house
Unknown Speaker 35:53
daddy he built a lot of the houses Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 35:58
what was his first name?
Unknown Speaker 36:00
I can't remember that looked up in court road but that was his name I forget
Unknown Speaker 36:07
and what was Churchill road like them who who lived on the road? Do you remember when you were a little girl
Unknown Speaker 36:11
Well, doilies were there they were
Unknown Speaker 36:15
they there do you think before your parents built there or were your parents there?
Unknown Speaker 36:19
I have no idea I don't know to confirm
Unknown Speaker 36:21
the dates. But in any case you probably the only two houses on the road Do you think or what Young's
Unknown Speaker 36:27
were there? Yeah, when Young's were down they had a house done at one of our barns is now two mountains might have been there too. I don't you are
Speaker 1 36:39
friends with was the one that Nelson's boys your age? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 36:44
But I mean they got a bit different between me and Rita 10 years or
Unknown Speaker 36:53
younger Nelson's were the people that stayed around for quite a while. They
Unknown Speaker 36:56
they built they built they read the house that barns were in and right I was over there. Right near your place right near the lovely house. Oh no, I'm down on the waterfront right next door dude. And I don't I don't know. I
Unknown Speaker 37:12
mean, the pathani house yeah,
Unknown Speaker 37:16
that's yeah, that's Youngsil Oh, so Okay. And then next
Speaker 1 37:19
door to BART. There was Barnes pantry and then no yeah, let's
Unknown Speaker 37:23
see that Barnes house was just the new house they built but that were the barns bought that oh wait those
Unknown Speaker 37:29
dropped well to grow them diagram later the room and what the
Unknown Speaker 37:33
devil was the name of that one that lived on that old guy? This bar this bar is right next door he
Speaker 1 37:41
invent. did he invent a torpedo or something?
Unknown Speaker 37:44
No, not him. That was that was the one that was that the? The old Hastings house.
Speaker 1 37:51
Oh, okay. Right right. Hastings he's the one on one floor. Yeah. He says was one that invented the term repeater and sold it to the Germans. Was it a
Unknown Speaker 38:00
repeater or something like that Southern green or something like that? Yeah, I don't know what it was now but he invented something like that and sold it to the Germans. And you know,
Unknown Speaker 38:09
you might not have been too popular that information at hand that's
Speaker 1 38:13
why they turned that's why some people actually ended up on Saltspring is to be is to get lost.
Unknown Speaker 38:19
Oh I see. integrated into the community. Yeah, well that's fine. Probably work yeah. How did how did how did you feel my my asking me how did that feel when you were younger? In terms of your mom and dad both being First Nations and Hawaiian? Did they speak about that at
Unknown Speaker 38:38
all? Or no that dad never would that never admitted it never met it and what they use deputy partisan and all these all these ladies when they're like, you're like Mrs. Toynbee and all that Mrs. Melton and Oliver at CAD deeper, I did my mom's place and I fell down and I cut my cut myself and I can run the nose and cry myself because that's not my opinion but with all these old
Unknown Speaker 39:14
English lady there
Unknown Speaker 39:23
so then obviously shared your heritage with you. You knew? Yeah. And what about would your mom talk about the Hawaiian side? A fair bit that
Unknown Speaker 39:34
much? Throw right around that involved with them? No,
Unknown Speaker 39:39
they weren't You're right. They weren't associated with them. So much, maybe just visitors once in a while.
Speaker 1 39:45
I don't I don't know if it was they were associated with it. Just I don't think Well back in those days they ever made it. They never made a big issue about it. You know? She could do the hula and play the She played the ukulele and could do the hula was no hi.
Unknown Speaker 40:03
Hi, my boy, you know I don't know. I don't think so. I never again remember doing that. Didn't Hi again. Guys I don't want to interrupt you
Unknown Speaker 40:15
guys know we're doing just fine we're on a roll here
Unknown Speaker 40:18
excuse a few minutes. Didn't you tell me at one point that your grandma Becky lonely kirpan tear had tried to teach you why have you tried to teach you the language or the or the dancing or something somebody don't have too much interest in it. No. Let's see.
Speaker 1 40:40
Oh grandma had grommet did have a real grass skirt. with it. It was like the real grass skirt and had the shells weaved into the waistband and she had a ukulele the Marie broke
Unknown Speaker 40:54
grass Kirko.
Unknown Speaker 41:00
So maybe the other question is where did the grass skirt come from?
Unknown Speaker 41:05
No, I didn't wonder if
Unknown Speaker 41:07
that was passed down at all.
Speaker 1 41:08
I don't know. See, I always thought somebody told me that after Levana could play the ukulele and knew the hula.
Unknown Speaker 41:18
Not that. I don't know.
Speaker 1 41:22
Where would that have come from? Because the wind was actually directly related to her through but I didn't realize she was sort of like, you know how we call each other Auntie right. But I didn't realize that she was actually grandma's house sister. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 41:43
You found that some today? Yeah. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 41:47
I think another another according to this. The images that you have from the Tony album, it seems by the descriptions there. We'll have to find out where the descriptions came from that you're also related to the love fortunes. Do you know what that connection is?
Unknown Speaker 42:05
Are they the partner? The mother is Downey Jr. His brother Joe Downey. Oh, okay. Okay, she's a Downey the Bernice Bernice what's her name?
Unknown Speaker 42:20
And so she married a
Unknown Speaker 42:21
cheap fortune. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 42:25
Because love fortunes are all checked but I think they're part of the sale nation which is out of you know, just outside of Sydney. They're just off the off the coast a bit towards Victoria. Everywhere
Unknown Speaker 42:38
is that the production is down. There's still parts in there and
Unknown Speaker 42:41
they're in Saanich area Yeah, Steve was the
Speaker 1 42:48
Steve was mums edge was that generation so you
Unknown Speaker 42:51
were cousins and
Unknown Speaker 42:52
No, no relation? No.
Unknown Speaker 42:56
Can you be be related and be no relation?
Unknown Speaker 42:59
No, I'll come to my wedding to give a really do they know
Speaker 1 43:03
to live fortune? Yeah. Because you said the fortunes. Steve the fortunes grandmother or something was it to how many
Unknown Speaker 43:11
Joe Joe Downey and it was either it was his I don't know. But the town is related but do dad
Unknown Speaker 43:21
so it's like a marriage? It's not your related by the inlaw side of it perhaps? No,
Speaker 1 43:27
because if if grandpa's if grandpa's mother was a townie and her dad and the fortune five was a brother and sister. Right.
Unknown Speaker 43:43
Beneath
Unknown Speaker 43:48
it was was that would have made Doherty Jota. Honey
Speaker 1 43:53
that would have made Yeah, in joda Honi was was related to grandpa right grandpa's mom and Joe. Tony were brother and sister. Correct. So grandpa's mom and Bernice. were sisters.
Unknown Speaker 44:09
Grandpa's mom. townies married
Speaker 1 44:13
to honey and Bernice, were they sisters? Not
Unknown Speaker 44:16
that I know. There's some relative but I don't think
Unknown Speaker 44:22
here's a picture. Now this is again, this is from the description. And we don't know who did these decisions. This is from Eva to how many Horsburgh this is her collection and it's on the archives. Yeah. So on this description of this picture, Jack I know you can't see this very well, but it's a picture of a man and a woman and a little child. And it says Joseph Henry to honey, and then in brackets. Manny.
Unknown Speaker 44:42
He was known by Manny Oh yeah. With daughter
Unknown Speaker 44:45
verniece So you had you had Bernice so you write your verniece Love fortune. So
Unknown Speaker 44:50
his daughter was Bernice love fortune.
Unknown Speaker 44:52
And they married my grandmother. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 44:56
And his grandson, Steven. The fortune is right you've got all the names so there's
Unknown Speaker 45:01
that that does treat Yeah. So there is a there's definitely a family connection. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 45:06
but I yeah there but I just
Speaker 1 45:08
can't see where it's too far back. You wouldn't mean you a second or third cousin to Steve to haunt Steve the fortune.
Unknown Speaker 45:15
Yeah, well, we're that I don't feel as related to Steve
Unknown Speaker 45:20
will trace it on well draw big get big, big. Yeah, you
Speaker 1 45:23
gotta go back. You got to trace it back to that. Because where it gets lost, of course, is when you've got the women marrying and taking married names. Yes, that's true. And you kind of lose the townie connection there. Right. Yeah, it can be tricky to trace it. And that's for sure. Yeah. Because then they also they never a lot of those marriages. If there were marriages were never registered anywhere. No.
Unknown Speaker 45:46
So your mom and dad You were saying something about their marriage? Did they get married much later? Your mom and dad back Jackie?
Unknown Speaker 45:53
Well, we got married when How Old Is
Unknown Speaker 45:56
it almost a year or something then is that right? No, no, no,
Speaker 1 45:59
she was eight months pregnant. Oh, when they got one? No, she was she was eight months she was an eight month pregnancy so she instead of being born nine months after the wedding, she was born eight I see. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 46:11
Right well in a lot of people in the States didn't get married anyway.
Speaker 1 46:17
Well, it makes you wonder to how many of the white men because it was never white women married very very rarely. How many of those white men had already been married and landed up on the islands or wherever and hooked up and supposedly married these these First Nation women?
Unknown Speaker 46:37
Oh, I think that happened from what I can understand quite a bit. Yeah, quite a bit.
Unknown Speaker 46:43
Okay, so your your mom and dad they built the house. Betancourt built the house for them and talked about who your neighbors were more or less and where did you first go to school? Maybe your sisters would have been different Where did your sisters go to school and where did you go to school
Unknown Speaker 46:58
or this girl in the new school again Jesus
Unknown Speaker 47:00
so all of you the new school existed even when Rita and Gwen went
Unknown Speaker 47:05
No Not them where they went up up up where the Catholic churches
Unknown Speaker 47:11
Oh, I can't drink road yeah up there. Okay, was there a separate
Unknown Speaker 47:14
there was all it was school that's where the that's where the idea was one to grade six or something like that. Okay. was up there
Unknown Speaker 47:21
was a public school. Yeah, private school, public school. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 47:25
So many different schools on the island. Well,
Speaker 1 47:28
what was the name of that little old lady that used to live up above grandma and grandpa on the hill up there? Remember she used to have those those pictures with the viewfinder things. The fellow that bought her house had the Great Dane that drove their Volkswagen BAM down Yeah, I forget the name Mrs. Hillier, Hillier
Unknown Speaker 47:46
sounds that sounds familiar. Yeah.
Speaker 1 47:50
That's her when we were little Karina we were always pet for trips up down Churchill road over to
Unknown Speaker 47:59
t rounds. There
Speaker 1 48:01
was a little bit house there was a little house on on on Churchill road. That was the 20s were here and there is that road that went down with a librarian used to live down there. I can't remember her name Hill hill back. Then there was another house right here and they can remember she had one of those Dutch doors in her
Unknown Speaker 48:20
What was her name, but I remember doing it on the road. Yeah. Just about ran on the road. She had a yellow do I forget what her name was?
Unknown Speaker 48:33
No, I remember when I was a kid that's jumping ahead of where we'll get we'll get back to this but we used to go clamming down in that Bay down there and in wheat sometimes on the other side of we're talking bizarre that whatever that
Unknown Speaker 48:43
Monday I was go there BlackBerry picking every summer. Yeah, the BlackBerry it's like gore on the ground. Oh
Unknown Speaker 48:54
yeah. Yeah. So
Unknown Speaker 48:56
knew to skip to that for a sec. Did you? Did you Did your mum. Maybe not so much your dad but did your mum cook things that would have been more native plants while
Unknown Speaker 49:07
generic cooked it on? She came home.
Unknown Speaker 49:13
She learned she learned from your dad. Yeah, we were talking last night a little bit about your dad and the seaweed and things. Oh, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 49:20
Dad was Dad was one that knew how to cook. And so on the main nettles. Yeah, we say we use picks thing and adults. Yeah. This time the year when they first came up.
Unknown Speaker 49:31
Yeah. So what were you taught about that? Do you remember much about that? No, we
Unknown Speaker 49:35
just dad used to be on his wheel. I said he used to work on the road to pay for his taxes. On the way home he used to fill his lunch bucket up but does the nails. Did he wear gloves? I don't know. Makes you wonder. I don't know if he did or not. But they were there was stinging nettles are good. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 49:53
it took them up like spinach. Yeah, you can dry them
Unknown Speaker 49:58
and I don't know I've been driving We used to have them you know we use them as a vegetable.
Speaker 1 50:03
Remember when we used to have Flaccus we called it slug us.
Unknown Speaker 50:08
I wish we had the yet and I wish we do but I don't know where it is be able to get it. What is it? Seaweed seaweed.
Unknown Speaker 50:14
Grown right down broad based seaweed.
Unknown Speaker 50:18
Grown right on the rock. Brian is it right flat? No it was
Unknown Speaker 50:23
crinkly was a month kind of God
Unknown Speaker 50:25
good wait slow low green and then we could only get it Isabel point. Oh, and just stopped getting it was various run there because there's too much. Too much waves it wouldn't work anymore. But
Speaker 1 50:41
that was I can remember Graeme used to we need to remember that drying out on rocks on the on the lawn? I don't remember that. But I do remember grommet drying up on her she had enough. clothes rack above the stove.
Unknown Speaker 50:55
Yeah, we used to have a Sunday.
Speaker 1 51:01
And then she used to they used to boil it and serve it with was a canned milk and bacon. My
Unknown Speaker 51:07
mum used to that. The way they she learned how to heat it was people from Alaska. And they had they always had no quarters. Right? We just did that bacon and onions. Yeah. Yeah. That was milk. It was so good. Let me is to have hers with milk because that's where the Alaskan
Unknown Speaker 51:28
and where would your mom have been? had met people from Alaska at school? Oh, America's Yeah, yeah. They
Unknown Speaker 51:36
used to come down to school. Well, that's
Unknown Speaker 51:38
an exchange of knowledge.
Unknown Speaker 51:39
Yeah, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 51:41
So you can't get that seaweed anymore. I noticed emails.
Unknown Speaker 51:45
I think you'd get the sea we I think you can get up around alert me around up there where there's not the traffic, not the sewage going into the water. Like
Unknown Speaker 51:55
the pollution. Sorry, but what what? What was the name of that? How do you spell that you
Speaker 1 52:00
think no idea. was like four or five ways. But that's that's what they used to call it right. Maslak
Unknown Speaker 52:07
sliced schnuck sort of names. Yeah, kind of.
Unknown Speaker 52:13
Sure. It's good, though. I used to like that stuff.
Speaker 1 52:16
You used to remember we used to eat it. You'd find the occasional little parry window. Yeah, great. But yeah, break your tooth on it.
Unknown Speaker 52:25
And get the wrinkles out of those. I love that because that's where it groans right on the rock. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 52:32
So you look right on the water down right across from Ganges. Yeah, Churchill there. Did you know deer days did you roll back and forth quite
Unknown Speaker 52:41
a bit all the time. There's joy or desperation we had. Was there a
Unknown Speaker 52:45
road behind the house though? Oh, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 52:47
There was Yeah. And Miss Mr. Toby used to have the garage over. And he used to pick up all the kids who used to try and get up on that road when he was on his way to get a ride he would never pass again on the road. I don't know how many people aren't can't make kids yet. And that doesn't that car.
Unknown Speaker 53:08
Could you hear is motor starting down the road there? You don't hightail it up to the to the top. Oh, you
Unknown Speaker 53:14
know what that movie? You know, he went around the same time all the time. Yeah. Yeah. He was a nice old guy. Is that right? Yeah. No,
Unknown Speaker 53:21
that would have been dicks grandfather. DIX
Unknown Speaker 53:23
dad. Yeah. So and he was actually the only one on the road that had a car. Is that
Unknown Speaker 53:30
right? Richard Toynbee he died relatively young, I think to Yes, 50s maybe yourself.
Unknown Speaker 53:38
In the 50s.
Speaker 1 53:39
He was she was a widow for so many, four and a half of her life
Unknown Speaker 53:42
Jesse Toynbee. She She very sad. She's I think the kids were pretty young when he died. But so you all the kids with the with the 20 boys being in that car too, as
Unknown Speaker 53:51
they went by I remember because that was I was one of the younger ones. Yeah. And
Speaker 1 53:55
Tom would be the younger ones, right? Tom told me Yeah, Tom and you were a
Unknown Speaker 53:59
similar age.
Unknown Speaker 54:00
He's six months younger than I am. So you're in the same grade within six months of each other? I get memories older or younger one or the other.
Speaker 1 54:08
Did he used to come and play with you guys a lot? Yeah, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 54:12
And Daddy Nelson. Yeah. And Pat Gribbs Oh,
Speaker 1 54:18
Pat crabs. Yeah. All right. Yeah. His dad was a trapper. Oh, yeah. Not around there. No, he was a trapper.
Unknown Speaker 54:29
He's the one that he was one that belt that long. I was that that all goes to the top of that hill. Was that up again? Is there that's like original log house that they used to build up in the interior. Didn't you
Unknown Speaker 54:43
guys live in that? Yeah. Well, I remember. I know the house I Yes. And I remember the fireplace. Oh, the cribs okay. That's interesting.
Unknown Speaker 54:51
Yeah, cribs. I wonder if he still owns that.
Unknown Speaker 54:55
I don't know he sold it to that. That guy. What's his Name remember they?
Speaker 1 55:02
Well, he sold it to the guy that oh god, what's his name that used to have the the same thing? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 55:12
used to sell running shoes and stuff like that there was that now remember, it'll come so she sold to him.
Unknown Speaker 55:18
Somebody in Ganges yeah
Unknown Speaker 55:22
used to hang out with with the art the New Zealander guys and all that he was friends with them too. And he was friends with her for a long time his name. So
Unknown Speaker 55:34
when he went to school Jackie could do Who were some of your classmates or some of your teachers. Do you remember?
Unknown Speaker 55:41
My first teacher, Mrs. Mormon, Mrs.
Unknown Speaker 55:43
Mormon? Mormon? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 55:46
They just think mothers used a lover for your supper and stuff with them. Now,
Unknown Speaker 55:55
and what about any of the girls or boys that you went to school with Tom maybe Toynbee, but you remember the other names? Yeah. And
Unknown Speaker 56:00
went with that. Oh, he was that the one that was a was a Dr. Ron was born. He was in the same class. But the devil was his name now. He was he was at that whenever they got salt brown reunions. Okay. That was that was his dad. Dr. Rush,
Unknown Speaker 56:21
rush.
Unknown Speaker 56:24
Not Bob rush.
Unknown Speaker 56:25
I don't know. But he was he was the doctor number one. But I was born. You
Speaker 1 56:32
imagine he was still alive. But one of the reasons? Yeah. The film that delivered
Unknown Speaker 56:37
he was he was like in his 90s then but that last week, and that that day is son was there. When
Unknown Speaker 56:44
do you think that reunion might have been? I don't know. 10 years ago or
Speaker 1 56:48
not? was just after we moved up here wasn't a month just after we moved off the island. Didn't you enjoy? Do they still
Unknown Speaker 56:55
have them down there? Well,
Unknown Speaker 56:57
they kind of curtailing them. But yeah, they haven't had one for quite some time. They
Unknown Speaker 57:01
gotta have some running. That's a big job. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 57:05
So you'll be doing it soon.
Unknown Speaker 57:08
So you went to school there? Did you go to school through grade 12? Or? No, no, we
Unknown Speaker 57:14
I moved up. We moved up there when I was in grade five or four. Something like that. We moved over there just to river to save them.
Unknown Speaker 57:25
And so what year my dad had been helped me do the math.
Speaker 1 57:31
I don't know you're born in 33. You probably started school in 43. To 43 Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 57:37
When was the world was more when he was Yeah. 4042 4045.
Unknown Speaker 57:40
Yeah. So during the war, yeah. Steve Austin, and why did you do that?
Unknown Speaker 57:48
Because that was working over there. And Mum was working Cannery and both in the cannery for employment.
Unknown Speaker 57:56
No, grandma was working the cannery. Graco was fisherman's name.
Unknown Speaker 57:59
No, he was he was working on gun the boots.
Speaker 1 58:02
But he wasn't he wasn't in the county. In
Unknown Speaker 58:05
the county. No.
Unknown Speaker 58:07
How long did you stay in? stevenston Oh, Dell
Unknown Speaker 58:11
was married. Okay,
Unknown Speaker 58:13
so you so you had your young life on Saltspring Sir, do your middle that were always
Unknown Speaker 58:18
back and forth? Like you know, they kept boats over there. Right. And
Unknown Speaker 58:23
how would you go back and forth Would you go by that
Unknown Speaker 58:25
that boat on a fishing boat? Yeah. And then they had the old lady roaches to go in there then. Right? Yeah, it was the millions to go from number two road or the Ganges at the leverage is still down here.
Unknown Speaker 58:41
Yeah, often for Alberni
Speaker 1 58:44
to Nova. Yeah, it's funny. So that was the little boat used to come in the service. Ganges to the mainland.
Unknown Speaker 58:51
Yeah, that boats followed you around them.
Unknown Speaker 58:53
Yeah, I used to I used to. I used to. on that boat. I used to bring Amory over with me. Oh, for heaven's Yeah, Maria was a baby that she was just young when she used to come over and stay with me and Saltspring so you go back and forth.
Unknown Speaker 59:10
I'd always backup just one sex. I thought I'd ask you about how was it with your family? This is when you would have been on Saltspring like in the depression years do you just feel Do you remember you've maybe we're be too young. I don't remember a time when anybody was lacking it. It seemed a little bit maybe on Saltspring like everybody fared pretty well because it was a pretty self sufficient Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 59:31
We then I don't think we did that badly. During the Depression.
Unknown Speaker 59:36
You would have had a garden and everything go Oh, yeah. And
Unknown Speaker 59:39
then dad used to hunt No, we never.
Speaker 1 59:43
You could fish you can do clam Yeah, oysters
Unknown Speaker 59:47
hunt. stayed after land just about
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no stinging nettles on the way home.
Unknown Speaker 59:53
What about how were you on the island and you can you would have been a child so I don't know. But or maybe you're Parents would have talked about this Do you remember the Japanese being interned? Yeah taken from the island were you on the island?
Unknown Speaker 1:00:07
Yeah when America was going everybody went down the wharf and zoom go CPR boat they'll Princess Mary used to come in there three times a week and make it was three times a week it came in right use the rail all our mail and read the end yeah
Speaker 1 1:00:21
you remember the marriage was there any families because Americana oh yeah
Unknown Speaker 1:00:26
yeah there was that oh love God more he really made a fortune on me he grabbed up all their property and all their stuff and he
Unknown Speaker 1:00:37
was the land agent for the for the government for their properties Yeah, they just for
Speaker 1 1:00:42
a lot of the Sylvia's Bay property came from within along the along the coast down there wasn't a lot about farmland there did that not belong to Japanese
Unknown Speaker 1:00:51
there's maps of all the where the entertainment properties were in there for sure some of them there and all shark road and up in the north up in the north end of Sunset drive area.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:01
What more did I write from that nabbed all that property? Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 1:01:07
anymore. It was all sold. I mean, it was a government dictated thing to to do not the government of the day was atrocious as we as we know now, but it was a it was sort of a fear base, but
Unknown Speaker 1:01:20
they're right within their rights. So because though they you know, when we went through the like, you know, we moved us over to steeped in that and that a lot of the nets and everything were started in the attic, those houses. Yeah. And they would be where we lived. We went through them up in that attic. There was shortwave radios and everything amongst the amongst the net up there.
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That right yeah,
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so they had they, they're getting in contact with somebody. That's
Unknown Speaker 1:01:49
interesting. That's interesting. That's hearsay, but still that's Yeah, who knows. But so they were all they were you would have been in an area going to going to CSUN you would have been an area that was suddenly devoid that the Japanese fishing fleet at that time was oh, yeah, very large, huge domine dominated the industry, which, you know, good for them. They're very productive people and hard workers, but suddenly they're all gone and all those all those. The fleet is there and perhaps maybe some of the jobs even the canneries and stuff. I'm project Yeah, but maybe that's why there was openings in industries.
Speaker 1 1:02:27
Yeah. Well, it makes you wonder what happened to all those fish boat.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:30
Oh, they were there at a great big slew up up up the Fraser River or were they Yeah, they were just hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them. And they probably
Unknown Speaker 1:02:38
sat there Ronnie.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:40
I don't know what happened to them. You could pick it up for pick one up for next to nothing. But there were next to nothing boats Do you know they were just they weren't very they weren't like the boats they have nowadays.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:55
But still, they did the job and there was fish to be caught. But I just wanted to see what you what you would remember. I know you would have been young but I just wondered if you remembered anything about that
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going on at the time or?
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So then you were so you look there and when did when did your family move back to Saltspring?
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After after yours born? Mum dad moved back there.
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Gary was born.
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Oh yeah. After you were born.
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Wow. 58
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So you as back to when you were when you got married? Jackie you got you. Did you meet you married? Larry Hagen. And did you met him and
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no pair? My mom and dad rep here.
Speaker 1 1:03:38
You met down in Porto Burnie know when?
Unknown Speaker 1:03:41
When mom and dad lived up here. I don't never met him here. I met him Victoria. So
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Steve Austin to Port Alberni.
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Yeah at
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some point for logging or no
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dabs on the tugboats down here. You work for got back is the head to toe towboats here and of course dad tried to bring her in union in
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here. Good old grandpa. Yeah. And
Unknown Speaker 1:04:08
a Shara didn't like that. And then the doctor told that they better get my mother here because this is they climbing up he was killing her. So that's yeah, I don't know. It's just too much rain and like the weather app is not all that wonderful.
Speaker 1 1:04:29
See? I really feel I really feel the difference up here with my arthritis.
Unknown Speaker 1:04:32
Again, this chair really listen to one of those chairs Yeah. Team members know I got I don't want that coffee. I know that.
Unknown Speaker 1:04:45
Yeah, let's make some tea and we'll move over. Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, good morning. Yeah.
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Hang on. Let me get this stuff out of the way.
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They're bringing up baby home. Yeah. Okay, I'll
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grab your cane for that day job already.
Speaker 1 1:05:03
I don't know that I'm sure they'll bring her up when they're here. Your mom was trying to clear away through here for a little rocky on your feet here. Yeah,
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I am. We have been sitting so long to Yeah, which seat you want one of these big companies? Anyone?
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Yeah, over here by the way do you want that
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meeting pad turn on your back. Oh no, no, no.
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I don't think at that help. I've never had it on there. No, you want to try? No thank you up to date. Very bad
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my ankles swell. My ankle is going to
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be uncomfortable. Yeah,
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I don't know. I could feel it today. Oh, servers
Speaker 1 1:05:52
falling. How do I feel better? Yeah, you want to put them up? Maybe for
Unknown Speaker 1:05:58
No, no, it's good. Like this.
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One can I make your cup of tea? No,
Unknown Speaker 1:06:04
I don't think so. Thanks. Guys, you got muffins. Err,
Speaker 1 1:06:09
muffin, muffin, muffin or banana. Banana
Unknown Speaker 1:06:16
Yeah, well, we're there's not you know, a lot left to go over but just to sort of get an idea just to the gift of time, so they came to Port Alberni your parents and then when the boat Do you think they move back down to saucepan? They obviously kept the house the whole time? Oh,
Unknown Speaker 1:06:31
yeah. They always had those. Yeah, it kept the house. They kept the whole house when the VA moved back I gotta think back though. You would already you already had we already have Jackie do Yeah, Becky you're born in 1958
Unknown Speaker 1:06:50
Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:06:52
My mom was grandpa really sick remember? He got really sick Yeah,
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I was born Oh,
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yeah. No his way after you're born. can never remember which guys go visit the hospital. No,
Speaker 1 1:07:06
no, no, no, I'm not talking about when you have water in the lungs. You got sick when he was younger? Oh, I don't know. Do you remember and I'm just trying to help you sort of remember that? Because you said he got sick this one time in his life and when the time you finish with that sickness he had started treating great gray hair and I thought like trying to figure out when was your car accident? Oh
Unknown Speaker 1:07:38
when I was born right yeah your your yeah your year old in or something? Six mentors.
Speaker 1 1:07:45
I don't know. I can't remember. So where was grandma grandpa living them? So they were back to four by 1958 Yeah, okay.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:56
They're back to salt room by that time.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:58
Yeah, so let's see me late 50s At least anyway you're you're about your your mom and your mom and dad we're back on Saltspring but you were Did you live there then or did you stay up here?
Unknown Speaker 1:08:12
I was up here you're up here view
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and Larry the kids are up here and so when you run Saltspring though as a girl we'll come back to that in a second. USL has been has a girl What was it like again? Geez, what do you remember what was in Ganges?
Unknown Speaker 1:08:29
Zero lights and all that was all there. mullets
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and
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Yavin or Gilbert I think you had the RAD the real estate then. Yeah,
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Gilbert had the real estate or Gavin.
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Gavin I can't remember.
Unknown Speaker 1:08:45
And was granny wallet still alive for she?
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I don't know. Didn't know. And
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it was was it
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who's the other than the wheelchair?
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That was Gilbert
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I used to love to go was to visit him and God just when they used to give me a little piece of paper I used to take downstairs and he they'd give me candy like that guy
Unknown Speaker 1:09:11
so a little piece of paper was like money sort of a little note or some candy because
Unknown Speaker 1:09:16
the news got put everything in a in that little jute needs to go up the office.
Unknown Speaker 1:09:20
Oh right in the store that's like a little air shoot for an order what what do you remember the store from the time was what was on the main floor upstairs or do you remember all
Unknown Speaker 1:09:32
the groceries on the main floor? And we used to have those ladders that used to go on their ladders to be able to go up to the top shelf
Unknown Speaker 1:09:40
right and upstairs where were the offices upstairs then or? Yeah, do
Unknown Speaker 1:09:49
a few laps with the guy in a wheelchair was right. But I think his office was to the front of the building then. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 1:09:59
Might have been because it was open kind of an open space at one point up there.
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You could look down yeah, the elevator was there. Okay,
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there was an elevator. Yeah. For him with his wheelchair. Yes.
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And so the groceries roll downstairs and are on the main floor. Was there a downstairs? Do you remember?
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That's bad news me later I
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think though, isn't it? Because if the groceries were on the main floor when you were little,
Unknown Speaker 1:10:25
I think it was okay.
Speaker 1 1:10:29
You talk a lot store. But in the old time one lucky lucky Ben's lucky. Yeah. Whatever was was in the basement, right? Yeah, your
Unknown Speaker 1:10:37
mom's just talking about that. But I think at first when she was a girl, the groceries were on the main floor. Yeah. And then when Ben's was there when I remember to was in the basement right Ben did that's
Speaker 1 1:10:47
really that's when when they had all of the I remember all the school stuff used to be a walk in the front door. And there used to be a whole wall of bookshelves of shelves in modes. And they had that they had that ladder that used to run down the side of most you remember that Chris? Yeah. And that's where school stuff would be. Oh, that does sound familiar. And then they had a little post office down just past
Unknown Speaker 1:11:10
just that was outside now.
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Yeah. Just outside of mods.
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Remember Yeah. So when you were a young girl What else was in Ganges? There was moments was there. There
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used to wait when that when that boat came in. They used to wait.
Unknown Speaker 1:11:33
Just wait the mail. All right. It started out right there.
Unknown Speaker 1:11:37
Little social time everybody had together and was there was say wizard was Turner store. When you garden?
Unknown Speaker 1:11:47
Yeah. Okay.
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What was your name? Nard? Yeah, nocturna.
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Norah Turner. Okay. I had heard that Turner store originally was where the Canac a place where you had the restaurant later. Do you remember
Unknown Speaker 1:12:00
that? Was there one time? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:12:02
Okay. You remember it being there, too? And what about what else would have been downtown when you were little?
Unknown Speaker 1:12:10
drugstore there someplace? Yeah. I can't remember
Unknown Speaker 1:12:15
where it's located. Now. I can't remember where it was.
Unknown Speaker 1:12:19
In the Toynbee garage. Do you remember where that happened? Yeah,
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but the died music game right in there. They hadn't filled that all in yet. I used to be part of the tide. High tide that used to be on the water.
Unknown Speaker 1:12:32
That right hey, what's up, man? Where
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the time is we're right.
Unknown Speaker 1:12:39
Tommy graduates?
Unknown Speaker 1:12:40
Oh, it was it sort of in behind where the old Bank of Montreal was? Yeah. Yeah. And what did the log cabin or you know, the bullet place that had been built the hotel which later became the ships in and now the salts bring in? Do you remember that?
Unknown Speaker 1:12:59
The airbag can't remember that. Been there during the war? I know when I got my tonsils out. I was I think it was about five years old. They made a scream from them. Because it means everything is criminal now and no. And yet ice cream made for me because I had my tonsils up. That was my thing.
Unknown Speaker 1:13:19
Something and they made it out of that little hotel. Did
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they? Yeah, they they do homemade ice cream. It's
Unknown Speaker 1:13:26
pretty special. Yeah. So the things you remember when you start thinking about? Well,
Unknown Speaker 1:13:31
that's great thing. You know, because you couldn't make it at home because they just didn't have the refrigeration at home. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:13:44
Did you have a fridge some sort of fridge in your house when you're
Unknown Speaker 1:13:48
not dead. They used to put stuff in buckets and put it down the well. And buckets down there like the butter and milk and stuff like that. It needs to keep really cold.
Unknown Speaker 1:14:01
down deep, deep ground refrigeration. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:14:08
So you must have seen I guess what I was sort of getting to is you must have seen quite a change from when you were a little girl growing up in Salt Spring to when you and Larry and the kids came back to live there.
Unknown Speaker 1:14:19
I don't know what kind of change it was. But there was a change.
Unknown Speaker 1:14:22
Maybe some of the land had started to be filled in by them a little bit. Oh, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:14:27
It was all filled in by then. But then we came back to that line behind band term is grayed out. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:14:33
That was filled in a bit. Not as much as 67. Yeah. Well, they
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filled in the Centennial Park part in 67.
Unknown Speaker 1:14:42
Yeah, the crossroad was filled in, filled in the behind dome is graduate building before that was a fire hall right. That's where the fire has been filled. Remember
Speaker 1 1:14:56
the white elephant. Remember Lane used to sit up there by that window. All the time Chris in the white elephant Cafe Yeah, the apartment upstairs to remember what was
Unknown Speaker 1:15:06
your name? Wakelin wages
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Phil's I don't remember I don't remember but
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at the table by that we've
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already pulled out all of them
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yeah she was doing there
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but wasn't at the White House at the became the Connecticut place came across the crest the crest Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 1:15:35
yeah so it was the Turner store and then maybe something else and then the white elephant and then the craft like the craft as in from the Ganges the HMS the hcms Ganges. That's why it was called the crest. Is that right Jack? I think so. I
Unknown Speaker 1:15:52
think that's what it was.
Unknown Speaker 1:15:55
I think that's where the word came from. It was like the crest and I think it might have been on their menus the picture of the the crest from the ship, I have to check what was it called the white elephant? Well, maybe the white elephant was the crest.
Speaker 1 1:16:08
Oh, that could be because it was in a diamond remember? Yes, I
Unknown Speaker 1:16:12
do you remember it being in a diamond shape. So then it went from being you know, the the actual white elephant to the being called the crest which was anyway now we're making this up, but we'll have to check. And then. So you had your kids and Larry and you had your kids by the time you're on the island and when we met you you were you were started to work at the what was it called? Then the love the log cabin? And then Nate was renamed as a ship's in I guess.
Unknown Speaker 1:16:39
Yeah, that's been I've been I've worked through that now. Yeah. When my dad
Unknown Speaker 1:16:43
owned it, but did you work at that restaurant before hand? Did you work? Where did you do any work? When when the kids were young? We did you work anywhere else
Unknown Speaker 1:16:51
on the island. Dr. Francis.
Unknown Speaker 1:16:53
Dr. Francis, okay. Did you work like the like a reception person for his office?
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I was that day.
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Oh, what did you do?
Unknown Speaker 1:17:03
There the average person stay there all night. And I was I was at I used to go I think I started work living o'clock at night at seven in the morning. So at the hospital,
Unknown Speaker 1:17:16
sort of or Where were your doctor friends? It was very wrong.
Unknown Speaker 1:17:22
Right the pit of Ganges L, right.
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Or the McManus property. Right. And yeah, I do remember that being a medical place
Unknown Speaker 1:17:36
Oh, they John was vice. I know. Okay. Oh, so
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you were there sort of like if somebody needed something in the middle of the night or bad
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to have someone there at midnight? Oh my God, I hope somebody just died tonight. On your watch
Speaker 1 1:17:55
worked there too. Yeah. Because I can remember going to the door there.
Unknown Speaker 1:18:01
So maybe you guys are nightshift. So
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you might work during the day and you work there at night. But you also had little kids at the time. Yeah. So that must have been a tough role. You would have had to be sleeping on that job a little bit. If you're coming home and then you got to look after your kids all day. Or your kids were just so perfect. There was little angels
Unknown Speaker 1:18:22
coaching and memorabilia for your Barbie dolls.
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Yeah.
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Oh that you spent your time doing crochet to stay awake sitting there at night
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and hoping that nobody done hopefully don't die don't die
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that's that's good. So you work there and then and then did you cook anywhere else? Because
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you went to work for Uber Oh good. I
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used to work there too used to be used to come over and it was all men in the zone. Okay, no women zone All
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right, The Undertaker that if you're on there
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and he used to come over and he used to help BAFTA people those old guys during the day. Oh goody. So right there's home yeah. And he's dead the only time is this old guy as the the so that he felt this old guy. The only thing that he was ever sorry for as they raped his daughter. And goodies I felt like bring him onto that bathwater. Someone that didn't bring them under the bathwater. He was so disgusted with his old guy
Unknown Speaker 1:19:34
Yeah, that would be a tough tough road but I didn't realize good he did that sort of stuff before he became an undertaker that he was
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undertaking same time. Oh, at the same time.
Unknown Speaker 1:19:45
There's a lot of things good he did he
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know he's sorry. Go ahead.
Unknown Speaker 1:19:51
You know cuz I mean, you know you couldn't live on. on that. I mean, everybody had to have it dropped. Right? to get by and yeah, because there wasn't you know there wasn't that much employment there
Unknown Speaker 1:20:07
no and at that point it might have been it might have been a bit more diversified and stuff and tougher to live you weren't I don't know where people still farming and fishing and that was still pretty
Unknown Speaker 1:20:19
exciting man. Yeah
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so Goody though just to get back in everybody call them a goodie but what's his name? Actually Goodman?
Unknown Speaker 1:20:28
I think so. Yeah. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:20:30
I remember him being around.
Unknown Speaker 1:20:35
Oh, yeah, he was he was the only Undertaker around there for years
Unknown Speaker 1:20:42
that bar Yeah. When needed was using that this morning. Was she on her legs? Did you was your was your mom and dad religious or one of the one of the churches there no mind
Unknown Speaker 1:20:56
United Church. United States.
Speaker 1 1:20:58
She was originally Catholic though Wasn't she? Didn't she have a falling out with the Catholic priest or something?
Unknown Speaker 1:21:06
No. She had a follow up with it. At school. She was a Catholic school. She went to down the states. Yeah. And Ge Ge what rank it is Dave Anderson. And Jubei butter on the radiator to dry and it's good to scorched it. And there's nothing wrapped their hands and lit it last year's you never forget that you win right against the Catholic Church.
Unknown Speaker 1:21:35
She lived the napkin on fire. No. Hanky Panky.
Unknown Speaker 1:21:43
Crisp beauty terrible. I'm just a bit of milk. Oh, they
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used to Oh, the Catholic nuns were just so mean some. They were they were mentally dominant. I'm sure their mental. No.
Unknown Speaker 1:21:57
Did she tell you any other stories?
Unknown Speaker 1:22:01
No generic to do much about it.
Unknown Speaker 1:22:05
Well, anyway, that was the end of her religious life. I'm guessing. So you guys knew lived in a number of different houses on Saltspring.
Unknown Speaker 1:22:17
Oh, God, Larry. Yeah, we moved all over the place in that faltering. Georgia we move in some ways.
Unknown Speaker 1:22:26
I have fond memories of lots of those homes. And you you worked at the chips in for a number of years. And you were good friends was Rita. Is that where you met Rita? Or did you know her? Eat it? Read it?
Unknown Speaker 1:22:39
Before then, yeah, we're just kind of how would you do it out there in that sun? She's gonna be burning. He
Unknown Speaker 1:22:46
or she are Jessica. She's okay. She's gonna let her in in a minute. On almond milk in your tea. Oh, that's okay.
Unknown Speaker 1:22:52
Sorry. I'll talk Shall I talk with regular? Nope.
Unknown Speaker 1:22:55
Sure. Maybe just a touch back if it doesn't look white, but. Okay, so what else? What else? What else? Have we missed? Anything? What do you think? We're almost up to date your kids grew up on Saltspring went to school on Saltspring. Your what year did your mom and dad pass away or your dad passed away? First, I think didn't know.
Unknown Speaker 1:23:19
Mombasa way bum was only 68 When she died. Oh, well. She she was really young.
Speaker 1 1:23:25
Yes, she passed away. The year Naomi was born the year you got Yeah, you're the chick a blast. I can't remember that. 1972 or 71. After
Unknown Speaker 1:23:37
my mom died? Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 1:23:38
yeah. They're very close together. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:23:41
And Halloween and grandma died in November. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:23:44
They their mum was buried around Armistice Day. And your mom was dead before that.
Unknown Speaker 1:23:52
Just yeah, October, November, early November. So they were really close. That's tough for you. Good friend and your mom at the same time. And then your dad lived on for a number of years by himself in the house.
Unknown Speaker 1:24:07
Yeah. Dad loved Joe. When did dad die?
Speaker 1 1:24:13
During the year that that? Chris he was born in 1984 1984.
Unknown Speaker 1:24:19
Yeah, that's good. You know, dozen years after your mom died then?
Unknown Speaker 1:24:27
Yeah. He was he was getting tired of living by them were neck fat back when he that
Unknown Speaker 1:24:38
she's glorying in her new granddaughter. How many grandchildren do you have now?
Unknown Speaker 1:24:43
No, I had nine I think great grandchildren.
Unknown Speaker 1:24:47
Nine great grandchildren
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are no, I
Unknown Speaker 1:24:51
don't know. Like what they've done is kids are great grandchildren. Right? Yeah. And, and Naomi's Yeah. Before the bar there, and Kara's there's two more they're
Unknown Speaker 1:25:06
six, and then Todd's got 278. So
Unknown Speaker 1:25:12
this is number nine. This little girl you just just born yesterday number nine, no, two days ago, two days ago. I
Unknown Speaker 1:25:21
think that's all a great grand job I've been
Unknown Speaker 1:25:24
going over. We
Unknown Speaker 1:25:26
should say what's the date today? This is April 2018. And it's April 26 26. So, anything else you'd like to add? Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 1:25:42
it's always great grandchildren. I'm sure that's all I have. So I'm a geek so many grandchildren Germanic have nine grandchildren do
Speaker 1 1:25:50
I think if you call it if you can't call it you've got nine grandkids right?
Unknown Speaker 1:25:55
Dammit going
Unknown Speaker 1:25:58
there's a discrepancy. Now under 10 How many grandchildren was Jack right
Speaker 1 1:26:03
shoulder Well there's two there's there's Gary's got two boys. I've got three girls that's five Jarrell needs got two girls seven and when you just got a boy or girl
Unknown Speaker 1:26:16
yeah, that I thought I had I thought I had the same around Greg Van Jones that great job for a while but
Unknown Speaker 1:26:24
they're starting out number each other. Yeah. And you're back here in Port Alberni. Now live and breathe. We did live for a bit. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 1:26:33
I loved good air. You know? Yeah. Back and forth. Junior adult. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:26:41
Did you ever have a desire to do justice on screen? No. You don't miss Saltspring? No,
Unknown Speaker 1:26:46
I wouldn't run live there downs. As much of the transportation will be terrible. You don't drive? Yeah. It'd be terrible if there. Yeah. Especially,
Unknown Speaker 1:26:56
you know, depending on your mobility and stuff can be tricky to get around. But there is a bus system, but it's it's such a change place from when you grew up. And yeah, but you know, the your house still stands. I was Betancourt's. They knew how to build good houses, didn't they? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:27:14
What did you know, I know the woman is there. Do she sometimes? Did you
Unknown Speaker 1:27:19
ever tell her Do you stole her yard sign? No, I
Unknown Speaker 1:27:22
wasn't going to put that on tape. I'm sorry.
Unknown Speaker 1:27:27
That's it those people that bought the house living there and they didn't know they're living in? Have you been in it? They moved
Unknown Speaker 1:27:34
from the state? I haven't been in it. Yeah, they're from the States. Well, one of the myths. I haven't been in it, but they've invited you guys to come and see it. So
Unknown Speaker 1:27:43
renovation?
Unknown Speaker 1:27:44
I don't know. I don't think too much. So next time we're there. We will go down if you want to Jackie. Visit the old house. And I know she'd be very thrilled to have
Unknown Speaker 1:27:53
one of those people. I told them down below that Jackie. And then what the devils are doing that.
Speaker 1 1:27:58
Well used to be a realtor. His realtor bought one his brother brought the other
Unknown Speaker 1:28:08
one.
Unknown Speaker 1:28:11
Oh, you're talking about you talking about our houses?
Unknown Speaker 1:28:13
No, not that. But I was worried where we lived. Oh, weird.
Speaker 1 1:28:17
The house you sold? Yeah. John. John. I can't remember. Because
Unknown Speaker 1:28:26
we'll just we'll just end on this. But when you when your mom and dad passed away or your dad, I guess the three of you daughters all inherited some of the land that they had on Churchill road. Is that No,
Unknown Speaker 1:28:39
no, just that. Yeah. It's famous.
Speaker 1 1:28:42
Glad to read it already had date already given her her land. would remember.
Unknown Speaker 1:28:49
To count that's where the grill guide count. Used to be down on the water. Right? Yeah. Yeah, just down from your mum and dad's on Churchill. Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:28:58
And that's a piece of property that that realtor bought. And from that, she read it. And then John something and then mum bill. It was the thing. I think so. Yeah, we're Thank you. Right? Yeah. And then mum built on the waterfront that she inherited. And she sold it to Woodward's brother, wasn't it? Yeah. And then Auntie Gwen inherited the house.
Unknown Speaker 1:29:27
And your auntie Gwen lived in the house. Actually,
Speaker 1 1:29:31
the boys inherited the house. Yeah, like what have tenants here? ganttic
Unknown Speaker 1:29:35
went live there for a long time, didn't she? She did. Yeah. She was there.
Speaker 1 1:29:40
From what was that? Like when they're when you bought the restaurant in? 79? Mo
Unknown Speaker 1:29:45
No. She wouldn't live there then.
Speaker 1 1:29:49
You should was very, not very long after we opened the restaurant. She moved there because you moved upstairs in the restaurant, remember? Yeah. That'd be in 1980.
Unknown Speaker 1:29:58
I don't know what year was because you went no, wait
Speaker 1 1:30:02
a minute you went you went to Europe in 1980. And anyone was there then? Because she was cooking at the restaurant?
Unknown Speaker 1:30:11
Yeah, I was I was. I went to Europe the year that they had
Unknown Speaker 1:30:18
blue eyes over there. You know, something that we didn't talk about
Unknown Speaker 1:30:23
is the connector place. Maybe can tell me just and with that, tell me how it came that you ended up running a restaurant there yourself. You were working at the chips in? And then I don't know what happened after that a number of years ago. Oh, you cooked at the school dorm, which was up the hill, which was the old hospital right? Where
Unknown Speaker 1:30:44
there was nectar from where I was born. I was born in that hospital. I didn't go very far. Did I? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:30:55
Oh, wow. You're you're looking after others right next door until
Speaker 1 1:30:58
I close the door and down. Yeah, actually, she worked there.
Unknown Speaker 1:31:02
What year would that have been? Do you know about? Geraldine
Speaker 1 1:31:05
was three I think when mom first started working there. And then that's when you you know, that's where were you living when we moved up?
Unknown Speaker 1:31:17
I was there I think I think there was your mom died. I think you were
Speaker 1 1:31:25
moved. Because that's where we moved from that house up behind the dorm. Okay, so we're at the log cabin. And then we that's where mom and grandma got together and then we went to moved up to behind the dorm. Okay. And Geraldine was in daycare, then she was going to mark Martius take care.
Unknown Speaker 1:31:46
And then how so? So you've finished at the dorm? The dorm closed down?
Unknown Speaker 1:31:52
They were they started bringing them over daily by boat.
Unknown Speaker 1:31:56
Do you want to kill it behind your no? No,
Unknown Speaker 1:31:58
I'm good. Good. Thank you. So they certainly bring
Unknown Speaker 1:32:01
them over by boat. So there's the end of that job for you. And then is that when you decided to open the restaurant?
Unknown Speaker 1:32:07
No. I moved away then. Went up to go went up to Parkville Oh,
Unknown Speaker 1:32:13
wait. Okay, so you're way off the island for a while with grant. And then you worked for a while and later on the cruise ships too. Right?
Speaker 1 1:32:22
She was okay, we'd come back but then that was still the restaurant. So how did that work? We went I can't remember now. Second. We went to we went to property. We came back and then in 1975 we were back on the on that's when Carl and I got married men number 1975 We were actually we were still in Parksville and we just moved when we got engaged we moved back down to Saltspring got married here at the mall got married at Fulford Hall. And you opened up the restaurant. I can't remember when working before that. We opened the rest Oh, you worked at it at the at the record? Hotel or host
Unknown Speaker 1:33:13
Oh yeah, I work quite well. Yeah,
Speaker 1 1:33:15
I worked. Audrey nine Andris Benson you yeah we had a harbor house and then that and then the Kanaka plates camera was called them was it called was it called the
Unknown Speaker 1:33:30
No it was it was causing called the crest? I don't know if it's that Sonya called it something was it yes that's
Unknown Speaker 1:33:37
right. Sonya and Dave Yeah
Speaker 1 1:33:39
kill or something like that. And then Tanya she turned 20 taught mom into into opening up their
Unknown Speaker 1:33:47
vows Tom he's pretty good. He's pretty good. Yeah, they still go selsun for the winter and they just got back a few weeks.
Speaker 1 1:33:54
So he Yeah, so you open that up? May 1979 I can't remember I do
Unknown Speaker 1:34:03
and you had you had to connect replace and is that when read I
Unknown Speaker 1:34:08
already have readers in
Unknown Speaker 1:34:09
Reader dot live cross at readers and I think that was sort of neat that you you're you went one restaurant and there's Rita and the other restaurant
Unknown Speaker 1:34:18
said that they terse by Sarah F after we used to close date is that tourists they're bringing coffee
Unknown Speaker 1:34:26
what tourist place was that? Just next door?
Unknown Speaker 1:34:29
That tourist tourist information.
Unknown Speaker 1:34:32
Please Yeah. These the hung there aren't as we
Unknown Speaker 1:34:39
get away from both your restaurants. A cup of coffee? Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:34:44
When you then you you sold the restaurant to Alfred in 1986. When I went into real estate, I got my real estate license.
Unknown Speaker 1:34:53
1986 You sold the restaurant and who bought it. Oh, Fred.
Unknown Speaker 1:34:57
I can't remember. I
Unknown Speaker 1:34:58
don't know last week. Okay, what did we sell on the end? Don't think so.
Speaker 1 1:35:06
And then then they then they moved. They took that building down and the restaurant moved over to where it was and became the
Unknown Speaker 1:35:16
oyster catcher. That's where it that's it was the connector when it moved to into that building that more towers and then it's become, and then it became the oyster catcher.
Unknown Speaker 1:35:25
And is it still there? Yep.
Unknown Speaker 1:35:27
The oyster catcher is still there.
Unknown Speaker 1:35:30
At least in 2018. Yeah, yeah. So a lot of a lot of a lot of life a lot of memories. And now you're back in Porto Burnie and most of the families up this way now, none of you no one's no relatives of yours on Saltspring. I
Speaker 1 1:35:43
don't think there is anymore. No part of the family has gone from the island.
Unknown Speaker 1:35:50
But a lot of places that have a lot of sentimentality to
Unknown Speaker 1:35:55
do bad because you know, because our family originated on that. And with that, that was born there and
Unknown Speaker 1:36:04
yeah, well, you live on I can tell you that you're going to live on in this interview. How's that?
Unknown Speaker 1:36:11
Interview for?
Unknown Speaker 1:36:13
For the Saltspring archives.
Unknown Speaker 1:36:15
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 1:36:16
Your mum your 85 route. We just turned 8585 Okay,
Unknown Speaker 1:36:21
well, that's good to have on the interview too. So I'm going to just stop this now and
Unknown Speaker 1:36:25
you have a keyboard and
Unknown Speaker 1:36:26
all that give your your voice of break.
Unknown Speaker 1:36:31
They got a very good voice I recorded you We
Unknown Speaker 1:36:33
talked for an hour and 36
Unknown Speaker 1:36:42
LR you bring that kid up. Oh, she's got stuck around.
Part Two
Speaker 1 0:03
So which which winds was used to come and what did he do for you guys?
Unknown Speaker 0:09
Just about the garden to the plowing
Speaker 1 0:11
through the come all the way down Churchill road and go plowing for different people may
Unknown Speaker 0:16
just become dark place that they okay so it came from way over dark road someplace and then yeah
Speaker 1 0:23
I think the winds were up on Stark road yeah and how did you get down there buddy we come into buggy
Unknown Speaker 0:30
well or the team was yeah How would you hear him all you ever hear all the stuff on the horse all the harnesses now
Unknown Speaker 0:43
yeah do you run down the road and meet him
Unknown Speaker 0:46
I knew he would come and tell him to leave early go down the road wait for him did he give you a ride on the back? Pick me up from home would you be I had to be really young like five or so about five Imagine walking down the road just to get right back on the horse wagon the wagon had the problem
Speaker 1 1:14
and we do the plowing himself he didn't have anybody with him now
Unknown Speaker 1:18
he's bound to happen and then he had the thing that he's dragged over that you said break break all the soil up
Unknown Speaker 1:26
but they call out I called it something unforgivable. But I remembered I'm so excited because Mr. whimsy is going to come and do our plowing well thing to look forward to a
Unknown Speaker 1:44
simpler time did you ever used to see them in town and stuff as well?
Unknown Speaker 1:51
I never talked to him is in town
Unknown Speaker 1:53
no
Unknown Speaker 1:55
no All right. So I'm poverty.
Speaker 1 1:59
Live about did you see any other early on in family? Did you see the Samson's and stuff out there at all large
Unknown Speaker 2:03
designs that dabs rendered Samson's debris a weakened Samson's were they down in Walker hook area the Samson's are where they were boasted they live Walker took their word for it further Yeah. That was said there there was a time remember that the one Vic and Vic lived in? No Dad his base DV divided their own robot property and they divided it all up and give it to the kids okay. They all had a piece of that property when they gave some property for the school
Speaker 1 2:45
I understand they might have Yeah, because I think all their kids needed to go to that school
Unknown Speaker 2:51
and then that screw other than I
Speaker 1 2:54
think the earlier generation maybe did that or something but
Unknown Speaker 2:59
are they used to have a school they wouldn't think of it for anyone Oh you think they wouldn't because they wouldn't be traveling and again Jesus wouldn't who doesn't know
Speaker 1 3:11
and your What did you say about your dad had something to do with the Samson so when they got married yeah
Unknown Speaker 3:18
he took them over they took him someplace on his boat but then when they went down there I mean did you get transportation around the islands and and Dad always had a boat so he would take people all over
Unknown Speaker 3:35
it's a nice service
Unknown Speaker 3:36
sort of a water taxi yeah but it maps it was real slow because all about turn pay fast. Cruising
Speaker 1 3:49
because he did he kept his boat for a long time didn't he? Your dad
Unknown Speaker 3:54
I get Yeah, but it'd be a waste the debate is to go over to Crafton to basketball games and over the Dalian I do dances and there's a tutor along the place and we you kids
Unknown Speaker 4:09
go to I
Unknown Speaker 4:10
don't think so. Well we're really your scope to choose to play basketball these type basketball games and then they had dances that after right Could you speak later on that on benches on the outside the hall? On the wall? Right Kathy's been laying down they're going to sleep?
Unknown Speaker 4:33
Did they did you go to dances down at Mount hall or
Unknown Speaker 4:35
anything to no we never did that like that. No. What about ourselves cream? Did you go in for food or Beauford? Yeah. Yeah. Because it used to be sports was the only thing they used to stick together with you know. I know they shouldn't like that because that was used to play, play soccer. Over then And when they got married they moved to Salt again Jesus so that change teams
Speaker 1 5:06
trader didn't have to change with him that's kind of neat to know that connection with the other families and the woods. I think you were friends with the woods to you, your family.
Unknown Speaker 5:19
The family must have been but I wasn't there was nobody my age and that well I guess it was Bobby was was Bobby which was Yeah. He was 10 years older than me. They were twins. Were because we had the same birthday. Yeah, same Yeah, I thought we always go out they were when he was 10 years older than me. He was black. It's gonna be
Unknown Speaker 5:48
nice twinship that's good. That's funny.
