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Myths

Earl Claxton, 2005

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Date 2004
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Outline

    Language, culture, and tradition.
  • Speaker discusses a friend's battle with cancer, sharing memories of their past interactions.
  • Speakers discuss traditional knowledge and language, including the transformation of a human into a deer.
    Indigenous culture, deer, and island history.
  • Speaker 1 describes encounter with a mysterious figure in the woods, who is hunting for a deer named Enos.
  • Speaker 1 shares stories about mythical creatures, including midgets and fairies, and their potential connection to Winnats Island.
  • Saanich people respected nature and land by preserving deer habitats on various islands.
    Indigenous history and language in British Columbia.
  • Speaker 1 shares a story about a past event where northern tribes formed an alliance to defeat a common enemy.
  • Speaker 1 describes a group of people who were taken as slaves and managed to escape, with some dying in the process.
  • Speaker 1 discusses family history and language with a possible Hawaiian connection.
    Indigenous beliefs and burial grounds.
  • Speaker 1 shares stories about casted stones and territorial boundaries in the Khandala area.
  • Speaker 1 mentions a "Tama" canoe and a "high tide tender" in a conversation about community connections.
  • Uncle Phillips tapes reveal a monster in a canal, with a moral teaching and connection to a sandspit.
  • Speaker 1 describes a burial ground in a park where their loved ones are buried, and explains that the community has a belief that the spirits of the dead are present and not gone, but rather they are in their home and the living have a special time to remember and honor them.
  • Speaker 1 shares that they and their community have difficulties with the concept of heaven and hell, and instead believe in the presence of death spirits and the importance of respecting their burial grounds.
    Island history, burial grounds, and environmental impact.
  • Speaker 1 discusses an island with a mysterious past, including a burial ground for the "sandwich people."
  • The speaker reflects on their childhood experiences in the environment and how it has changed over time.
  • Speaker 1 discusses a "tumble tumble Island" and how it's different from other places, with a focus on the lack of discussion about it.
  • Speaker 1 and another person reminisce about a "duck net" in Mitchell Bay, with details about the location and the metal rings used to hold it up.
    Indigenous fishing traditions and beliefs.
  • Speaker 1 describes traditional Indigenous fishing practices in British Columbia, including the use of nets made from cedar bark and the importance of family collaboration.
  • Speaker 1 reflects on the past and present of a community, highlighting changes in population and the importance of a full moon in their traditional practices.
  • Speaker 1 discusses interconnectedness of events, calendars, and beliefs.
    Indigenous language and culture.
  • Speaker 1 discusses the meaning of "big house" in a language, with multiple examples and explanations.
  • Speaker 1 discusses the importance of understanding the language and names of chemotherapy treatments.
  • Louie Pelkey's father and uncle were whalers, earning respect from the whales they killed.
  • Elder shares knowledge on Pender Island, realizes how little they know about their own culture.

Speaker 1 0:00
If you're doing good I'm working with I don't know what their last name is Suzanne from the university. Linguistic. Yeah. Yeah, this was great. I'd love to get a copy of the free skewness yeah that you can learn how to speak. Yeah I guess you know, Wayne Suttles is pretty sick here. I didn't know that. Yeah. From we got Tom and I worked at Lommy. For what, three years. I just got back over here again. And Mercedes, she's linguistic, said that we're in a way that when he had six months, and that's that four months ago. Yeah. So he must be very sick. He's got cancer. Yeah. The 980 some odd. Yeah, I spoke to him on about quick email. Yeah, because I was talking about him. And I didn't know whether I had it right or not. So I phoned, we know. And Friday Harbor, and sorry, he sounded pretty good that this was last summer. Yeah. So he's not gone already. He'd be very sick today. Yeah. And they're gonna lock up his stuff. And there's going to be tied up for I don't know it can use. Yes. Yes, sir. Yeah, they're going to lock it up. And he can touch it for 10 years before they open it up. Yeah, yeah. So for you information. Oh, yeah. Yeah. CMV I just found them and it takes a split second, they had material for me, because like, you know, he talked to people in the 40s elders in the 40s people are born way back. Oh, yeah. I spoke to my grandfather Louis Pelkey Jani? clacks. And pictured here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's Louie Pelkey. He went to school and chamalla Louie Pelkey did? Well, I think it's an Oregon. Yeah. Yes. And I wonder how he must have traveled. They go over to chamalla to go to school over there. Yeah. But he was very good with his English. Back then. Yeah. And I remember him being done the beach over there at home. Speak into Wayne Tuttle. And Barbara lane. Barbara Lane said you were about 16 years old and, and I used to be playing on the beach when they're talking and getting everything taped up like that. Yeah. We just published a big dictionary on the Musqueam. Yeah. Yeah. Grammar. Yeah. I think I forget how long it took him the to work on Maddie. Yeah. And it took us three years to do the one for Lommy but that's all I'm saying this day, like so there's no exotic scenario. Well, actually, it's the same thing as this year. It's a grammar. Yes, stuff. Yeah. Well, it's much the same as a dictionary. Anyway. So see, we've got all the words that goes along with it says he hasn't even got it yet. And but I think there's enough there for a teacher to teach for one month. Once everything's put together. Yeah. Yeah. Then we go into the next unit. Perfect. Yeah. So getting back to the tradition of the tails, tails is the transformer God I guess if you want to call them and

Unknown Speaker 4:41
yeah. The fails is was in existence with us. We, we believe in that kind of a thing because actually, it really works together with the environment and nature I guess if you want to call it that, it

Speaker 1 5:13
it teaches respect for everything. Because it says there that the deer we always sort of like the relate that with Kwinana when that deer was changed from a human being into a deer and when fails, does he was such a character was very it was no good. So felt caught up to him his name was Smith and when they got him have took them and changed him into a deer. So he started jumping in us going into the bush and fell said you better come back. I'm not finished with you yet. So so he came back and then he took the head Smyers had a bow and arrow on his pack. And kale pulled out two of the arrows that he had and stuck them on his hind leg. That's why his hind legs are safe to do they can bend their hind legs this stuck the arrow was eaten in the back and they started going in the bush and then failed says I'm not finished with you yet. He's 11 Put your mutton in yet and that's why today that dear haven't gotten a Muslim as it is the gizzard. I think it's a gizzard Yeah, I think it's a gives it so and he also told my ESET the sands people will be hunting for him forever and that's it nice to be spending all your time hiding and running away. That way that today. So then we speak of the the fish, the deer, the deer is your our Innes, our grandchild. So you're going to hunt for the deer. You don't say I'm going hunting deer. I'm gonna look for your Enos. It's a relative. The salmon is also your relative. They're all relatives. They all evolved from being a human being. And there was something that I Oh, yeah, I know. What did you watch the news today? I have a great one for watching news. Anyway, they discovered these remains. of people that were I think one meter was there only a meter high. And they figured that they were in existence 1000s of years ago. I don't know how long ago. But we do have the story about the police tape. But these people that made the sea line, they made a cedar a sea line. And they blew into it. And the Cheyenne people in it started to go and they had a rope tied to the canoe and they went on and on and on and on

Unknown Speaker 9:03
until they got to this island and it was all little people in a clean state.

Speaker 1 9:11
And they were held captive there for a long time before they finally got back home over here. And I often wonder whether that story or that as I've seen relating it with that story. I think Well, I wonder if that had something to do with the stories that we have about midgets play Taylor mafia. Yeah

Speaker 1 9:44
like European people are calling fairies. Yeah, they have some called face and they Irish people to LepreCon LepreCon yet and around

Speaker 1 10:05
So that story of Ceman you said that that might be related to Winnats in some way, which is that was my is my. Yeah. I often related to ever know why the heck it is that I related with Kwinana John feels the same way about it when the first year was changed into lots of deer and Kwinana, which at that reserve there, lots of deer there. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Everybody hadn't even thought about building a cabin there someday but getting to NASA. Yeah. It is. It's a very nice spot. And yeah, if you ask John, John, John Elliott, he'll tell you the same thing that it seems like the first beer was created at 20. Yeah. Yeah. And not all the islands have deer on it. Pender had years to turn ahead their main island Galliano. Saltspring then you get to these other islands you don't have any and that that that fallow deer that was on Jamestown they're getting all over there. They're on Darcy island now they're on Sydney Island. Now forest Island other places it just swimming all across if you're just getting there you're gonna take over the whole thing. Yeah. But that was the Saanich way of respecting the nature and the land that we live in. Whether it be water trees, trees with a human being Yeah, they were the Giants. Hey, cousin. These are Celeste Quinn nsda is a Kwinana

Speaker 1 12:32
Yeah, maybe John could add a little bit more on that but dear because I was just saying that I would get the feeling that the first deer that was that came into being was a word for that much yeah yeah

Speaker 1 12:59
this is John Elliott and these late dad with the Valley were the oldest villages assigned to Bob hmm And he knows where the little kids park and children's Park is there Yeah, he said that he was a man needs to be there before long houses there were four depressions in the ground there just wondering if there's any knowledge there was there on the rocky Wiseman there Yeah, they must have been they would have had to been because they were the long houses where a lot of them were on islands because it was our main transportation see it because you people brought the roads and stuff and once they came in because our means of transportation whether it was by canoe going over here and going there is sort of became obsolete then. We came together just like with your late dad spoke about that split over there and Ganges that was the first Saanich home base first Yeah. Original Yeah. So you guys think that the that needs to be hard? Yeah. He's pretty good at it. Yeah. He's pretty good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, why would they call it making call? So CR CR is caution Yeah. And the T is he here it isn't the place to be cautious it's a place the the South East places a great place for the southeast wind to be barreling in there and also it's quite open for the the northern people there sometimes matter of fact I think there was some something happened there if I remember being talked about that there was quite a bit of a

Unknown Speaker 15:48
fight there are some ways around there yeah

Unknown Speaker 15:51
yeah

Speaker 1 15:57
yeah, yeah I think they were on their boats or some like canoes or whatever I don't I just heard this

Speaker 1 16:12
but the last one was over here at Maple bay that the northern people where they got ambushed

Unknown Speaker 16:18
yeah

Unknown Speaker 16:18
yeah

Speaker 1 16:24
that's when my grandfather your character was just kids then when that took place yeah yeah not long ago a year they got these ladies to get on this canoe and they paddled towards the bay and sure enough, they followed them in there I guess it was at Tama some ways around that I don't know exactly where it was at but they did follow them in their mind is a very good story because maple David deep Yeah, I guess it was maple the women that Detroit Yeah, yeah. So they follow them in and all the warriors on both sides. Yeah, they Yeah, I think Uncle Phillip was saying on his tape there that by the time the canoe their canoe hit the beaches they were all dead on it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I heard that it was a laugh. It was an unprecedented sort of tribal Alliance. Like the first time that all the nations here got together to defeat a common enemy. Everybody was suffering from these guys. They were mostly just calm down in Fort Victoria. Just passing through your territory. Yeah. A lot of people were taken as slaves up there but a lot of them managed to run away and and get back home to probably

Speaker 1 18:20
Yeah, married settlers burger oh some some electric

Speaker 1 18:34
Yeah. From the some some electric people here we're trying to find out yeah some means chip off or break off yeah, yeah. Some like if there's a straight down like that. I think it talks about the river there. And it fades up and down. Every now and then it's a little bit of Earth. Okay, yeah. Yeah. Big enough the edge some some alleged? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. alarm off the edge. Yeah. Very good. Yeah. Eight to one my aunt is from someone like Wilson's. And when my dad used to go up there to visit her sister. And we get over there and I couldn't figure out why they had a canoe tied to the porch. And why the heck of because a canoe tied to their porch. In the winter when the rains come and then is far from the snow. Everything went under. Then they have to use their canoe to get in and out yeah and their posts on their houses I guess I'd have six feet high here yeah raised up great Santa

Unknown Speaker 20:26
Barbara

Unknown Speaker 20:33
Boxing Club

Speaker 1 20:44
something that Holly had done the research. Yeah. Oh yeah

Speaker 1 20:56
yeah, I know Bob Aikman from over there but I also knew another bobby coming from Sook. I think that was his uncle. This Bob. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're related. That was his uncle. Yeah. He said that was his uncle. Yeah.

Speaker 1 21:18
They related to the relief. Yeah. The George family that he said his grandmother was from the George family. I guess I don't know. Yeah. calculators are wondering. We're trying to see her cousins or sisters with bards. great grandmother's. We're trying to find their new name know, other than what I got from Bob, and like I say, are not coming across on the ferry yesterday, and met a man from seashells. And he was part Hawaiian. He's might be related to you guys. Yeah, he's from seashell. And yeah. And I could be he told me which family it was. But mainly I was talking them by this. How they speak the same language. They're using color right now. I think. I think they're teaching could color under because their language is completely lost. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For quality. Yeah, that's what I told him. I said that when the fair of casted the stones up there, and Kathy had won the White Rock won the Klallam one to hear that extended the,

Unknown Speaker 22:59
the territory of this and Charlson dialect Could you tell me about that story? Where did he do this? Or

Speaker 1 23:07
he'd done it from playing Roberts. And he had slink and he put a Kuntala so there's always Khandala Yeah, you got that down there. And the the first one is slung it just blocked in with your nose wake rock today it's where they don't have a white rock there's no white rock there they're paint there's a rock border there now to paint it every year. And the next one he casted was always over here which is Mount Douglas now and he called them all calls

Unknown Speaker 23:49
here yeah

Speaker 1 23:55
Wait wait wait is rock await rock yeah yeah yeah yeah and the test one to see child they should be co2 Yeah. over to column if she'd be one over there the Chanel have a mountain that define the territory. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Cinch often how you doing good for you either were here before or what? What time's your lunch break. as well. So I have to go back into a class. Oh, right. Right now. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. We'll be ready to go when you come in. All right Rob I think if people yeah I'd love to hear if you're thinking yes we're just working on a project there's nations connection results so many different people document

Speaker 1 25:31
no connection yeah it's an old or there's a real ancient name that one yeah yeah really ancient name when they made that

Speaker 1 25:53
same thing was he asked she asked to know name to really tell by the way it sounds yet to know

Unknown Speaker 26:03
people and they don't know the name what it means yet comes from CR then is you and the T is he here it yeah anytime anytime you see a T on the end that usually indicates it's he hear it

Unknown Speaker 26:27
yeah see in 45 is yeah like like honest is to give a tip here it's okay yeah she had a cough and so she fought she fought see

Speaker 1 27:04
you have a canoe skip there 1000 People talk about taking their communities tunnel over this canoes to get to know they actually had a new canoes kid from Tama yeah high tide tender you know no oh the canal there Yeah, yeah. Well actually according to Uncle Phillips tapes when there are people used to go through Holly said it's called life better that's the interpretation of it and when they went through there this monster was living in that they would grab the canoe and then they're taken under and you find the the sands people find it just got so fed up with being pulled under there so they filled it in they filled it filled it all in and that solves the problem and then he says now look with the wait people are dragging it out again. Yeah, but the interpretation of that canal there is Holly sent last middle is was it means pen divided with device Pender and North pandas I will send ya correlation. Because that story, Alex and people have a story with a monster on South America. South Africa. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it would be it was stories like that that that probably relate to the stories that they're passed on. All had some kind of meaning to them. It wasn't just a story there was some other kind of meaning to it.

Unknown Speaker 29:24
Yeah, with the story Yeah, it's in there. It like what was I trying to think of now there is a

Speaker 1 29:40
the story has a moral teaching in there. And it also speaks of the place and because my late mother when we used to live out in Sydney spit I don't know whether you saw that place when was all due this sandspit always right to where the trees either. Did you see it like that? Anyway, we used to stay right at the end of the split where that kind of a pyramid thing is, we'd say there for weeks. And in the evening in the spring, it was time for my late sister and myself to go and get some fresh water over with the brickyard was way ahead of me. And my mother told me don't go up where there was trees or Clayman was the name of the Spirit. Paul samen is the name of where that those trees are. And she told us not to go up there and I asked her well how come we can go up there she's because it's a burial ground is dead people there so we never went near where the park is now the park is there. And it wasn't long ago that I think they dug up as cold as the kids were sliding now NAFTA is kind of a need dug up a skull and somebody mentioned it to me this it doesn't surprise me as if I were told that a long time ago that there was a very real place so nobody went near there

Speaker 1 31:34
Why don't you why well it goes back to the belief our beliefs we don't have a heaven and we don't have a hell but we have death spirits and the Spirit the spirits of our loved ones they don't go away they're here with us all the time. And that's their home and this is our home at that's a wee wee so then every so often you set aside a time to remember your loved ones and then you have a person that kind of a priest I guess you would say to come and call on your loved ones for the special gifts that you have for them and that will be taken and put into a fire and burnt so it's become the Spirit yeah that's the way we so we've always had real difficulties with Heaven and Hell yeah because that's the way we are so then if there is a burial ground in some ways we don't go near there out of respect for our loved ones we don't disturb them yeah yeah make sense? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So Island was one of the reserves for me question the main question is the name of that island

Unknown Speaker 33:31
yeah the main question oh yeah

Unknown Speaker 33:50
yeah

Unknown Speaker 34:01
the flat fee is okay. And flat T is that make with my follow up did you call it no yeah, that's awful. I've set where and lived. I asked my mother well, who was and she says that was my and

Speaker 1 34:35
she said when she moved over there, they never seen her again. So the structure that word what's the sculpt part or Equus? Equus has changed the age equals as your body is changed to an A Equus and comes from some bone bone bone remains of a body something like that. Any idea? What is the name that place? Probably it's probably a burial ground. Yeah, probably a burial ground here the same thing was that there was a barber shop that he used to go over there and get a haircut all the time. And he said his friend just bought that island over there and Friday, Roche harbor and it's called Pearl island. He said they just bought what a beautiful island. I said, Well, don't dig around too much over there I said he looked at me says why? That's the burial ground burial ground for the sandwich people. And the because we eat the meat out there, you know, the then lovely people came this way. That's when I met people. All sorts of we meet together, you know, there you see people from different places and you understand, understood the language and everything. And a lot of that people I guess, passed on while you were there and buried them there. Yeah. Thinking that this is the way it's gonna be forever. And things have changed, you know, the. And I had the opportunity to Tom was the one that invited me to the conference in Chilliwack, the environment conference over there. And I spoke about when I was just, or I don't know, 12 years old or something like that. We reef netted over and through there. And then we stayed happy Island. And, of course, when the end of the season came to tend to get paid. And I guess my late dad must have done quite well in the fishing. Because we went to Friday Harbor and he bought a outboard little three horse outboard, and they clamped it on the side of the canoe. And I thought that was one of the greatest things that could ever happen, you know, we just sit there took us four hours to paddle over there, it took us hour and a half to come back. And that's how much time we cut off. But what we didn't know is that we became part of the people that destroying this environment. Because the oil goes in the artboard lubricates everything and spits it out. And you know, when you go into things like that, that we don't even know, you know, that, that the way we were is still the best. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I believe, of all the animals is still the best. Yeah. interconnection. Yeah. Yeah. Do something here. Yeah. And then the grave. Places burial grounds, is exactly the same thing. We never spoke about it. We knew this there. Our parents spoke of it. They told us where it's at. And we never spoke of it. Unless somebody asked about it. We talk about it. They said well, what we did with somebody came over here and he said, Well, what did we do and tumble tumble Island. I said nobody spoke about it. You could almost tell what. When it was over in tumble Island. Nobody spoke about it. Nobody went there. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's the big difference between everything all the details. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're evolving into that sort of thing too. You know, we, we just we're getting to that. And when we talked about this map here, all the different things is done. What is the de Velious spoke about that duck net that used to be hung across there was actually one over in Sydney spit to duck net, the red and the end there. And that's the flyover that years ago in the evenings you know you could get a lot of duck. But there was at one and Michel de Nino or Michel bass just on this had a roach harbor. It comes with mosquito pasture. And it's right there, Mitchell babyface and now, John. And I guess it would be my late mother's cousin. first cousin. Her name was Meili. Part Hawaiian I guess I don't know. Yeah, yeah, nearly. And they lived in Mitchell Bay. So then Dave Elliott lived over there. Uncle Phillip spent a lot of time because there was his relatives there. My mother. And they barely spoke about that depth net. In Mitchell Baker. There's a split there and sandspit. But they're big fruit trees growing on it. And the ducks in the evening would fly in to be protected in the bay. That dark net. He says if you go over there to that place, those big dead metal rings have hanging on the tree. They've grown right into the tree now. You could still see it though. Wow. Yeah, the way they're strung up the net to hold it up for there to catch the ducks. Yeah. Go ahead. Use it probably any of those Santana sands. There was sand Spitz, Kevin makes? Yeah. Usually there was a dark net. If there was the trees, the trees were very handy for the TechNet because you you know you put a post that Hyde would just pull over, you know, the trees were just so then Mitchell Bay was ideal for that. Yes. Yeah. How long did that be? Depending on how far apart the trees Yeah, yeah. And then of course the network yet the trees were all the nets were all made out of the cedar, cedar bark, stuff like that. He spent days and days just weaving nets. You know, the, the reef net nets were were made and each family would give together if you belong to that fishing location. If you had hereditary rights, the captain of whether the owner of the country well make a net this big. You make a net this big. And then the each family would make that that net? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So then then the spring when the time that for the fishing their nets ready and they give it to, for the person to finish it off, and it's ready to be fished. And of course, when they outlawed that, back in the 30s card the millionaire had a trap. This was a trap. That one he had over b2b there. Yeah, that was a trap. It wasn't the fishing. And they left his open. And that's how he became a millionaire. Yeah. Do the same thing today, accusing me in particular all the fish. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, you look at it. When the treaty when Douglas signed the treaty with us in 1853 I think it is. We were 7000 strong. Here in Saanich. That's how they worded it 7000 strong.

Speaker 1 44:35
When the treaty was signed. Today, we barely tipped the scales at 3000. And we're accused, we could have cleaned it out then does we're 7000 we're only we're under 3000 today. Yes. Native people tested stainable Yeah, yeah. And it all everything had there was a trick with Tom was doing that everything had a period there was a time my mother always spoke about that if you'd look at

Unknown Speaker 45:18
the Ocean Spray we call cases especially in on Salt Spring know that islands like that

Speaker 1 45:26
when you look at it towards the middle in their full moon of June. This pie area is just in full blossom there you look at them, they're beautiful like that. The white flowers, it just look like ice hanging on there. You know, it is beautiful. My mother says when that was in full blossom, there is a full moon. And that's that moon over there. It was time to drop your anchor

Speaker 1 46:15
we got so then when that spy area is in full blossom, return we've dropped the anchors and put your clothes in for a week. Get ready for the famine when that spyware starts to go brown like the backhoe

Speaker 1 46:45
easily the fish is just that it's and then there were celebrations and to celebrate the coming of the kingdom of the sockeye. So everything stopped. Everything stopped. They celebrated the children were the only ones that could handle the first Sockeye because they were the only one that was innocent and without any. Any bad thoughts in their mind. All right. Yeah, they were the only ones who could handle the tough guy. And and that's interesting, that connection between the firing was planned and the cutting and fishing and that relates to what you were talking about earlier. The interconnection or Yeah, everything is connected. The moon, the moons are all coming. My mother still spoke of that calendar month as she left us a couple of years ago now. She spoke over the calendar that movies. Yeah. And what would that word be?

Speaker 1 48:10
Yeah, and that's, that's our moon therapy. I have that book. But yeah, good book. Yeah. All the activities in the same bar to get? Yeah. We don't have any more. Oh, really? Yeah, they're all gone. Yeah. Sorry for you. Mine. Yeah. I had one and we have a lawyer in town. And he wanted to look at it. I haven't gotten it back and I don't nobody can give it back or not. Build a photocopy. It was very good. Yeah. And we believe in counting by twos if you live in Diamond geneticists.

Speaker 1 49:10
Okay, we're divided. divided by two is the odd one more likely family went back and there's a lot of why would they divide things by two? I believe it has something to do with our belief

Speaker 1 49:33
just the things have to be Yeah, it's taboo to have an odd number. Interesting. Yeah. I wonder if that means it's because you can't share it or something. It could be I don't know. I just all I know is that even today that that odd number is never used up us So 246 or whatever not five or three like you're hiring masked dancers to go and dance for your memorial dance or whether you hire two dancers for dancers six dancers eight answers but not seven or no never do that

Speaker 1 50:32
I know what I'd like to get the chocolate name for house like the law as long as actually like see how like the big house that stood at that Kwinana what would you call it he told them check out the Pale Ale booth it covers a lot of cover a cave like cave for Thunderbird or a cave for it means sunlight what is

Unknown Speaker 51:24
junk means big

Speaker 1 51:34
recognize that. Yeah. But there's a lot of them that it talks about like key gives the sense of a contained dwelling or dwelling Dan Okay yeah

Unknown Speaker 52:02
Leyland in Pelican Yep. Yeah

Speaker 1 52:10
the all the both of them say big house. So I think you call it big houses. Third. There we

Speaker 1 52:25
go. Yeah. Right. Yeah. No, I got a loss to go on here. And you could go on all day. Days and days with this. Yeah. Yeah. Wayne is? I don't know. I haven't even gotten in touch with Mercedes. That a great man. Got long. Oh, yeah. Everyday even lock everything up. So why the analog stuff? I don't understand that. What is will it? Really? I don't know. I don't know why. Why are you doing? What are the I think a lot of the information that he has pick up and problem. And I think that's reason why he just said Let's sit down. Yeah. Yeah. Because he, you know, he recorded sort of the facts and people and yeah, it might be, you know, I know, in the days of Treaty Negotiations, you know, and trying to play territory. stuff was all poliana ammo in the port. Oh, yeah. The reason why he tied it up. So, by the time hopefully in 10 years, or whatever the case may be, it'll be over when they finally open up the books. But the mommies really rely on hidden information, which is good. He's got good information. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No doubt about that. You know, very thorough and very respectful to people. And he also I think he knew the language too. Oh, heck, he's like you when you're talking about the chemo. Yeah. Chemo because you need to know those names to talk to people like yourself knowledgeable people. You have to know that name. Yeah, that was Louie Pelkey. Father's name. And his name was out of a team of his son, Albert, my late uncle. His name was the moment it just passed. And that's the name of the real tall tree connection because Wayne You know, talk to a man and set it apart. Females had a place again, like a house there. Yeah. Yeah. And I think Elena was Pender Island. That was Fatima. Brother leaving you probably better known and known as included. They call them the nickname. Yeah. Just mentioned the brother this guy

Speaker 1 55:40
not not soon. Yeah. I also know we can now chin. Yeah, yeah, definitely brother Max and how did you said he also had a different color in equities is hereditary in the wound reef net location they're called. Yeah. Yeah so it's good for me when I get two different guys here. Yeah. Well, quickly and and Elena. Okay. I haven't read a period right. Okay, yeah. What females had the house again? And this other guy what for me? What? He's the guy with the brother. Yeah. He had to refuse a waiver or how to? Yeah, kill the whale. He killed the whale. Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. Because we don't often think of the sanics as being whalers. But yeah, and again, a lot of respect from that whale that he killed. Yeah. became the leader. Yeah. Wow, very highly respected yet. That story in here, I think there's you mentioned it in this. No, I don't think so. Might be a little bit. You know, he took that whales. No. Now. They wanted information on Pender. Because we were having a lot of problems with fate. And so my niece came over to me and said, Do you know anything about Pender Island? Yeah, quite a bit. So I gave him all that information. Yeah. And they didn't want it. No.

Unknown Speaker 57:35
That's why we settled Yeah, they didn't want it they went to another elder.

Speaker 1 57:42
Find out some more different things more compatible to yeah, here. We're not into that. information, information and then with the information, we get knowledge, you know, yeah, there's a big difference between you got to have knowledge and a lady young girl she was speaking on language in khaki, Ontario. And he came keep on could I talk to you in here? So we sat here and talked like, here. And she says, I'm the keynote speaker for the language conference in Ontario.

Unknown Speaker 58:26
And it's an all she said, Are you going to go and I said, No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 58:33
And we spoke and spoke about language and different things as well. You know, the funny thing about language and culture and who we are as it the more I learn about my people, the more I realize how little I know. He quoted that piece over there. I thought that was nice. Wow. So that's where you're going to reach the more you learn about it, the more you realize how little yet that feeling.

Unknown Speaker 59:20
Don't forget those words.