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Mr. & Mrs. Hendrickson

interviewed by Charles Kahn, 2009

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Date 2009
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Outline

    History of a house and its residents.
  • Willie Ross lived in Hong Kong and Japan, while Rancho rocks didn't even live there.
  • Dr. Sutherland retired to Victoria in 1930, with some residents paying $60/month for a special deal.
    A man's life and personality.
  • Speaker 1 mentions Erica and Spring, and Speaker 2 talks about Stan Critchley, a man who fixes things in the winter when he can't play golf.
  • Speaker 2 also mentions that Stan bought property for $200 and made a little Parker, but the details are unclear.
  • Speaker 2 mentions Dr. Rush, a doctor who was popular among the group and provided medical care at a low cost, even in the middle of the night.
  • Speaker 2's father had heart attacks and Dr. Rush would come to help, charging only $4.
  • Jesse Brown shares stories about his father's experiences as a veterinarian and his travels to China.
  • Reflecting on cultural differences in food preferences and acceptance.
    Chinese culture, history, and language.
  • Speaker 2 mentions that the restaurant's cook, Billy, was from China and had been working there for a long time.
  • Speaker 3 reveals that Billy cooked for up to 65 people during Christmas dinners.
  • Volunteers discuss local news and events, including a foot race and a translation mix-up involving fertilizer.
  • Speaker 1 remembers a woman named Mrs. Ed who ran a boarding house and hosted dances every Saturday night, while also working at the White House.
  • Speaker 2 recalls a man named Poppy who was a postmaster and an artist, and how he and Mrs. Ed used to play instruments together.
  • Ali was a big attraction at the dances, with many girls coming from summer homes and boys arriving by boat.
  • Scavenger hunts were a popular activity during the Tiki era, but the exact start date is unclear.
    Early 20th century entertainment in Queenstown, New Zealand.
  • Speaker 2 recounts a past event involving a crab race and fundraiser on the island.
  • Speakers discuss entertainment in working-class Queenstown, focusing on school dances and lack of harbor mentions.
  • In 1925, a grandfather wanted to open a beer parlor in Germany, but it was illegal until he was 21.
    Family history and genealogy.
  • Speaker 2 shares a photo of their sister from June, looking scared and skeptical.
  • Speaker 2 shares memories of their Irish family and cultural heritage.
  • Speaker 2 shares stories about their family history and personal experiences in Ireland.
    Family history and social dynamics in a small town.
  • Speakers discuss family history, including splitting up and lumber camps.
  • Ernest Harris was a prominent figure in the community, known for his tall stature and odd behavior.
  • The Drummond Park in Houston was started by a man named Warhol, who was a member of the gang that controlled the area.
  • Jim Anderson, a black man, lived on Saltspring Island and had friends in both the north and south ends. He was known for inviting neighbors to use his property for picnics free of charge.
    Harbor House history and archeological findings.
  • In 1964, Harbor House Hotel was built on the site of a former graveyard, with remains found during construction.
  • Speaker 3 mentions finding shells and bones while digging on an archeological site, with Speaker 1 adding that they found bodies buried in the ground.
  • Speaker 2 shares information about the history of the area, including the presence of indigenous people and the discovery of artifacts in trees.
  • Reverend Wilson and Mr. Bullock had a conflict of interest due to their differing lifestyles and beliefs.
    Family history and agriculture in Canada.
  • Speaker 2 describes their grandfather as strict but kind, with a passion for agriculture and a large family.
  • Tony's family history and genealogy are discussed, including his great-grandmother's involvement in the upbringing of her grandchildren.
  • Lady from England adapts board to help, inspiring others (1:10:35)
  • Speaker 1 shares stories of their family's history on Saltspring Island, including their grandmother's photo missing after the war.
    Family history and personalities.
  • Speaker 1 and 3 discuss their families' involvement in a farm and hotel, with Speaker 1 mentioning their father and mother, and Speaker 3 mentioning their mother teaching 20 agents.
  • In 1941, Ernest was born in Canadian, Maryland.
  • Speaker 1 mentions a person named Jessie who transcribed tapes from a project, and Speaker 2 confirms that Jessie was from Ontario and transcribed tapes for a grant.
  • Speaker 1 mentions Tom Crapo and Jeanne Brown, who have contributed to the project, and Speaker 3 mentions Mary Davidson and Jeanne Brown as well.
  • Speaker 1 and Speaker 3 discuss the potential use of the project as a textbook for schools, with Speaker 1 expressing optimism about its potential market.
    A wealthy man's parties and charitable efforts.
  • Speaker 2 shares stories about their grandfather's wealth and how he built his house with $2,000.
  • Speaker 2 recounts their parents' experiences at social events in the 1920s, including a dinner party with Mr. Books and his wife.
  • Speaker 2 reminisces about Goodie's parties, saying there were never more than 8 guests at a time.
  • Speaker 2 mentions Mrs. Palmer, who hosted parties with Goodie before he passed away.
  • Mr. Ross, a retired gentleman, lived in Harbor House for six years and played golf and billiards with the other residents.

Unknown Speaker 0:19
Welcome to off the triple

Unknown Speaker 0:25
Ranjan to the lake the examples

Speaker 1 0:42
Willie Ross was the one who lives in Hong Kong and

Speaker 2 0:49
Japan most of his life and it gets completely different

Speaker 1 0:55
Rancho rocks he didn't even live there he just came in and bought what what for years without

Unknown Speaker 1:04
going to war again thank you that became a little later a

Unknown Speaker 1:17
little later but they all overlap

Speaker 2 1:24
Ashley Madison about five years ago same time sprinklers restaurants or cider glass I used to wear my little niece she looked at him one day she said Look Why don't you call your pet he had a good test and he ran a lecture

Speaker 1 1:59
so this was different B with the with they're still there at that time

Unknown Speaker 2:09
Mr Ross right.

Speaker 1 2:14
Today we're inside the house but they were still camping this summer for us

Unknown Speaker 2:19
until onto the walls and they don't have

Unknown Speaker 2:24
any the cabling survived survivors

Unknown Speaker 2:27
were put up during the war.

Unknown Speaker 2:28
Yeah

Speaker 1 2:32
a lot of cabins on the island I need all these other other tourist facilities.

Speaker 2 2:41
While the first round was Dr. Sutherland she said she can say she used to be the doctor on it but she liked it Kabam and somebody put that clip up Kevin up and then it led to you know putting up if another cabinet was out in about 42 I think

Unknown Speaker 3:08
I have a reference here to

Speaker 1 3:15
the 1918 She came here she she stayed until 1930 Who is this? Dr. Sutherland

Speaker 2 3:28
Doctor Yeah, I remember when she retired she went to Victoria. She wanted to come up and say one summer listen also

Speaker 1 3:35
it was after the after she lived here.

Unknown Speaker 3:40
She went to Victoria

Speaker 1 3:47
so you think that was in 1942? Or 1942?

Speaker 2 3:58
Were you here when dad died? Yes.

Unknown Speaker 4:06
We were living in a day at the time

Speaker 1 4:18
so these people who stayed there for a long period of time, did they get a special special deal for the home?

Speaker 2 4:25
Oh yes. Yeah, I think never get Mr. Ross paid $60 A month because he had one of the best rooms in my house.

Unknown Speaker 4:35
But honestly the 12 that included that included meals.

Speaker 2 4:43
Take $40 a month. When you think of it though just over $1 a day. All around food and yeah.

Unknown Speaker 4:53
That was

Speaker 2 4:55
all teachers we have that remember good again. They paid about $30 because they only got paid about $50 a month

Speaker 1 5:05
so who was the was the fellow you mentioned Erica? Spring for? Spring for you they're about the same time.

Speaker 2 5:13
What did he start? When he came off and on

Speaker 2 5:23
wants to come in, in the 20s for those who have stayed, then he went up to the interior and he was a carpenter. And then came back. He stayed off on you know,

Unknown Speaker 5:35
here's a world

Unknown Speaker 5:37
report on the first one,

Speaker 1 5:39
and I guess a lot of your guests must have been repeaters every year with a very quiet in the

Unknown Speaker 5:47
winter. Yes, I think so. But you know, we got we have schoolteacher people like that.

Speaker 1 5:54
You probably have better business than the people who run resorts have no place to sit now. I think they're there. There's nothing I'm doing in the in the wintertime.

Speaker 2 6:07
I was surprised that I'm putting on all these bedrooms because at night I don't see late suddenly that part of the house.

Speaker 1 6:14
They might be they might be anticipating some convention business. At some point. They weren't Weren't they talking about building a convention center with some it's a logical place. I mean, we think that yeah, I'd love to come for a retreat their business people.

Speaker 2 6:34
But then they haven't got anything in the way of entertainment. I mean, Harish and Lisa got the indoor swimming pool and I gotta have something to

Speaker 1 6:46
Chris Chris, some of these companies. They want people to work so they don't they're not too keen about entertainment now. I remember when I used to work for publishing companies, they often had their sales conferences at places like you know, places like this. It was very pleasant but bloated they were working hard because there's nothing else to do. I might get some tennis courts out there but I never got a chance to you know, busy working but have sessions in the evening and you start writing in the morning and then have questions in the evening. The whole day was gone and so it seems very nice when you thought about it you know you went out to my place but when you thought about it afterwards and more so with any of these people like this Stan Critchley he seems to be the most interesting of a

Speaker 2 7:37
lot of who I was reading because he I don't know what can you describe said appreciate this very short unedited guys and he's fixing things and in the winter when he couldn't play golf he used your arm and fix chairs and clocks and everything else

Unknown Speaker 7:58
is also great for

Speaker 2 8:01
now and then the summer he did he could do all driving and fishing and and then he bought some property gunner for tax money for about $200 or something and then he made a little Parker when Mr. Ross was say Mr. Ross named Stanley Park he made benches and he had well rested on better showed

Speaker 2 8:38
we're just past the I call it the 30s But what does she not marry in this process

Speaker 1 8:52
okay. What about this building that you mentioned on the tape?

Unknown Speaker 9:01
Picture? Oh

Unknown Speaker 9:08
I have a proper photo. Colorful all right.

Unknown Speaker 9:22
But he was certainly a dominant figure in the hotel.

Unknown Speaker 9:27
So he began working who wrote this

Unknown Speaker 9:31
up I wrote the original Tony Richards rewrote the reunions. I think he followed it up because

Unknown Speaker 9:44
he said the same set

Speaker 1 9:49
the same picture. And that's definitely one picture cut off here.

Speaker 2 9:56
But when he came over the reunion about I don't know which one was about 10 years ago. He was the most popular person man everybody wants to see Billy you know, this kind of character because

Unknown Speaker 10:08
it like he had quite a strong personality. Oh, he

Speaker 2 10:13
did he Doctor us was another one when he came back to the one of the reunions. He was on with a doctor on their own for quite a few years and probably Russia as far as their game they all lined up to see him now I couldn't I didn't get to see him because I there wasn't understand. The first time He came to see a mother, she used to suffer from terrible headaches. And so dad brought him into the room and and he gave one look at mother and he said you should look sick to me this is correct. Because we all know that still because you know for a doctor they say your Charlotte tip to me. It was polished Yes, he was his birthday. I don't know what to do right. Now, up by now. Everybody liked I mean, I'm not saying he was also good to my father when he was ill, because dad would have these heart attacks in the middle of the night. And Dr. Rush would come down at four o'clock in the morning. Just company and devote myself who didn't know what to do. And he only charged $4 A business in the middle of the night you know, and he was a great CCF her dad was conservative. They used to argue politics, but only wherever handy taupe. Daddy wants to argue politics has been

Speaker 1 11:57
just he must have he must have gotten along with good enough. I agree lifting to go. He sounded like he's a beefy operator that will very much I know talking to to Malcolm bond. And I think Malcolm bond must be very arch conservative. Because he didn't seem to think too much of a socialist. Didn't seem to think too much of socialist. Socialist.

Speaker 2 12:32
Oh no, I don't think they always didn't have a chip on my shoulder

Speaker 2 12:46
I'm Jesse Brown. I guess you know, it's one of Mr. Burke. Yeah.

Speaker 1 12:50
We're actually I was supposed to get get together with Malcolm and talk about his father but he's gonna He's going off to China. Yeah, he has some sort of been there. He did that before. He was there for four months I think with with his family. And he went to different places. And it's something to do with his veterinary practice. And he's been invited to go back for a six week period. Not quite sure exactly what he's doing if he's teaching people or must be teaching doing some kind of

Speaker 2 13:27
work published a book as you probably know, yeah. And then a little game ran on his own. And then he used to work at Harbor house. Just five a day with a vegetable garden. He was named after that he used to sell vegetables we used to ever have a wonderful guy who sells but by the end of August Wallace Jesse would come around until his rescue

Speaker 1 14:03
there the feeling did he give you when he cooked at Harbor had a city ever cook any Chinese food

Speaker 2 14:14
Chinese piling we'd have at the end of the season we had a Chinese stock party or I think that's what called a steak house that's really held it

Speaker 1 14:24
to the people people didn't really like the things like Chinese food

Unknown Speaker 14:29
or didn't have any Chinese returning to the Chinese only

Speaker 1 14:33
need to say they didn't like the that style of cooking.

Unknown Speaker 14:37
I don't think so. Reflecting Murphy English people want their

Unknown Speaker 14:47
feet are much bigger variety of

Unknown Speaker 14:50
they like to work because we've become a multicultural changing sheep See how long it all was. And she was terrible examples of things that the Red Guards are down to a nightmare time is

Unknown Speaker 15:08
actually not quite as extreme as look.

Unknown Speaker 15:13
This is this is a delightful book to me, but she's just detail about the food that she believes.

Speaker 1 15:24
Interesting because we would go to restaurants there, and the food would be would be sitting outside in cages because they really liked their food fresh. So you'd have you'd have little hedgehogs. You'd have rabid chickens, you know, if that's what you ordered, then they went out open the cage took the animal and took it in the back and that's what you ate. I wouldn't like that they apparently

Unknown Speaker 16:00
to clean air. Oh, really? She saw this rat on

Unknown Speaker 16:10
the barbecue grasses. Very popular. Barbecue grab from COVID

Speaker 1 16:17
and Cobra, COBRA COBRA, and I haven't I didn't come across that in Thailand. Most of the things that most of the things I found were seafood. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 16:27
This was up in the northern part of Thailand. Oh, yeah. We've had several couples in the country, up the hill country as they went on these tracks that go up in the mountains and they stand a little village gas, keep on the dirt floors, and all that sort of thing.

Unknown Speaker 16:48
But by things for pleasure.

Unknown Speaker 16:53
I like my company. But my family works in Hong Kong. About four or five years ago he was going to marry a Chinese girl lathered up in Hong Kong and you're gonna get married and so the children came up to Christmas with regards to talking about we haven't been at a restaurant about Chinese food and the Chinese girl she said the Chinese people already horrible, nobody anything

Speaker 1 17:34
Well, it's true. I know they will eat anything. So when he when he felt he accepted when he felt he accepted by people? Oh, yes. He was

Speaker 2 17:46
supposed to give us here was only two on one on the Chinese on the hour. I don't know why he stayed all those years. But I guess we were his family because his wife one children, China and

Unknown Speaker 18:02
ever bring them over.

Unknown Speaker 18:06
She died big press boy, Peter. And he went to high school down here.

Unknown Speaker 18:17
But I think it was a lot of problems and 40 new legislation came came up in Canada In Canada. A lot of the Chinese debate was

Speaker 2 18:32
Canadian citizen and it was Dan McIntosh said you don't have to get it for them to get so he could get laundry I was I had quite a time have

Unknown Speaker 18:48
a wonderful sense of humor. You'd have to have.

Unknown Speaker 18:54
So he must have he must have worked there a long time ago.

Unknown Speaker 18:58
I think he came in about 25 Six here any

Speaker 1 19:04
tips here that he he came to Canada in 1920 and began working as a cook

Unknown Speaker 19:14
and then came to the

Unknown Speaker 19:16
How did you find him out of the hotel

Speaker 2 19:21
was over in Vancouver and he was going to interview with a Chinese agency and Billy just said I can do the job. Don't worry or whatever, you know, just didn't so save as a wonderful cook. I get hammered. So Graham picked him out

Speaker 1 19:46
what was he was he was he planning to hire a Chinese couple was it just happened to be that way. I mean, were you looking for where the Chinese

Speaker 2 19:56
go? Yes, he was it was in Vancouver and he interviewed because I think he was the first Chinese cook we ever had was that one before?

Unknown Speaker 20:09
How many how many people wouldn't have cooked for

Unknown Speaker 20:13
whoa, whoa

Unknown Speaker 20:17
4550 Yoga tennis Thomas is really when we have a big crowd

Unknown Speaker 20:26
during the war Yes. Nepalese people from that day would come over with about 280 people

Unknown Speaker 20:34
I think so yeah it was

Unknown Speaker 20:37
the Christmas dinners how many people come to a Christmas dinner

Unknown Speaker 20:40
6570

Unknown Speaker 20:42
He would cook for 65 of the people went to a Christmas dinner

Speaker 2 20:46
and then we always had the veterans down there again until the father in law the older veterans and then we kept it up during the law and they just come from the other errands the veterans

Unknown Speaker 21:01
do these huge meals canal them? Yes.

Speaker 1 21:04
Volunteers. I should take some notes off

Unknown Speaker 21:09
the run about billing Oh yeah.

Unknown Speaker 21:12
But actually one

Speaker 2 21:14
I think it's funny anyway, but I turned to the Chinese on the other one used to be sell vegetables but he also did our vegetable garden verse in the early part of the mall. Anyway you said to me were ordered supplies so I didn't know what he meant put lace and cover next time and say could you give me that foot racy stuff you put on baby carriages meaning green grinning, fresher throat anyway, I was getting into already worrying about this foot race. So I voted this foot by was going down into March do the shopping put on the lids put price through she went to the paneled upstairs and asked for it amazeballs now they didn't know what it was they sent it down to the feature. Anyway, never heard of it down there. Anyway we find the ability to translate it was fertilizer. But ducks my sister huge. We did drop a little badly does for price and federal over here. Where did you want to help everybody?

Speaker 1 22:37
I think I took some notes from it. Oh, I think it's okay. I wish I placed in some of these things when they came up because

Unknown Speaker 22:47
we could always go back.

Speaker 1 22:49
I'll be doing live looking at old driftwood. Especially when I get to the more modern

Speaker 2 22:58
chap that we like. young chap that was Thompson. You wrote about the tennis courts and Graham

Unknown Speaker 23:11
Graham is really likable listening. Yeah, he's very likable guy.

Unknown Speaker 23:16
He was very easy.

Speaker 1 23:21
You Some mornings I have either Mr. Hank, who was Mr. Hate. Hey, yeah,

Speaker 2 23:25
he played a played in the orchestra. Okay. I think he played the saxophone. And his wife played the piano. Now normally ours though, we call cops.

Speaker 1 23:38
Now that's one of the sister islands. So they own the cast Castle Island needs to come over from their

Speaker 2 23:47
own boat. And I went to school with a kid. You should bring them out of school. But then also you can play some of the houses

Speaker 1 23:57
now his his. His wife played piano. Do you remember what her name was?

Unknown Speaker 24:05
It was there. I know.

Unknown Speaker 24:09
And then there was a Mrs. Ed that she also

Speaker 2 24:12
plays. She was laid on the pulpit in one time. Okay, so that's the White House.

Speaker 1 24:20
That was his name. He was known as Poppy.

Speaker 2 24:25
He's an artist. He became the postmaster up here. They moved over here. So the route up here and he was the postmaster for years.

Unknown Speaker 24:33
And she had she had a boarding house or something.

Unknown Speaker 24:38
They call it the White House.

Unknown Speaker 24:41
But she used to come to her house to entertain.

Unknown Speaker 24:45
Saturday nights we had dances every Saturday night.

Speaker 1 24:48
And it was at the same time that that she was also running the White House so she she'd leave her place and come to work. You're asking for

Speaker 2 25:03
too long what women have moved to Ganges they're around a tea room

Speaker 1 25:11
so what did she also playing instruments? Did she also play in the event

Speaker 2 25:15
even played the parallel she or she played the piano has replayed the sector. So

Unknown Speaker 25:21
this is what you said Bill hate played

Speaker 2 25:26
separate time. I think the reasons were first Illuma hate

Unknown Speaker 25:36
and you think her husband played the saxophone to it? I know it is. So when would that have been in the 30? Yes. What kind of music What kind of music that they play?

Unknown Speaker 25:55
Jazz. Popular Music

Unknown Speaker 25:57
swing

Speaker 2 26:04
people Saturday nights get to Vancouver Yacht Club. Different boats from America. They all businesses out here on Saturday night. It was really quite something. But we haven't closed at 12 So then they use the old potty and what we call the psychos. Alright,

Unknown Speaker 26:23
why did why did you have to close the 12?

Unknown Speaker 26:31
Summarize as a pirate as we get down.

Speaker 1 26:35
And it was it was it the same every night? It wasn't any change like Friday night would be the same as Monday night. Yeah, I still have to close it.

Unknown Speaker 26:44
Well as opposed to dancing.

Speaker 1 26:47
Yeah. I think you said on the tape that you didn't charge very much.

Unknown Speaker 26:55
How much 25 I think you said on the tape that in a heartbeat covers the cost of the band. I know

Unknown Speaker 27:01
it didn't pay I

Unknown Speaker 27:06
guess I had to close the toilet. Because the Sunday

Speaker 2 27:14
didn't have the stomach trowel and I know she had a special license.

Speaker 1 27:17
So if you had that if you have were able to have a dance on a Wednesday night say it would have been different than when the toilet Yeah.

Speaker 2 27:27
The big attraction was Ali. You know he had a lot of girls that can stay in the summer. And then the boys would come by boat. Yeah.

Speaker 1 27:35
Many many people would come to these dances. Oh

Unknown Speaker 27:39
it's hard to say 100 AB

Speaker 1 27:50
were there any pictures? Did you ever see pictures of people taking pictures? I guess Jackie bond is taking Jessie bond used to take a lot of pictures in the photograph

Unknown Speaker 28:05
I know the one he took the hotel down

Speaker 1 28:12
but when people take pictures of your dances no no. You don't have many pictures from that period of time again

Unknown Speaker 28:24
well, there's lots of photographs and albums and

Unknown Speaker 28:33
we didn't take any indoor pictures

Speaker 1 28:37
Did you did you did you feel that there was any competition for the Agra was like for example with the full per diem any competition is no

Speaker 2 28:44
no not I think the biggest was when they had the log cabin. Changes game so many times were listed Bullock had a filter one of those boys. Yes. It

Speaker 1 28:55
was a typo. Yes. Yeah. So that was competition.

Speaker 2 29:00
For me, I was only really trying to get in. But then you're in a wallet. You know, everyone we're all for

Unknown Speaker 29:19
which were the second so it was quite busy during the war.

Speaker 2 29:26
Very busy. People couldn't get gas and Mary would come in from Vancouver. And people would get off because they had no reservations. It was awful. John, you could tell that you used to drive them around the island. We had no bed and breakfast sound but some of them sort of

Speaker 1 29:58
you also mentioned in the Tiki mentioned the scavenger hunts they were they were a big thing and that was that just connected with the tennis tournament or did you have a

Unknown Speaker 30:08
separate from what we did have a join a tambourine

Speaker 1 30:14
but but you also had had it in entertainment other times as well Did Did everybody get involved in a very popular where they were yeah

Unknown Speaker 30:25
well

Unknown Speaker 30:26
people often

Speaker 1 30:34
when did you when did you first start having them do you remember when did you first start having scavenger hunts

Unknown Speaker 30:40
I think what's going well

Unknown Speaker 30:51
I don't know what happened during the war but

Speaker 2 30:54
it happened before the crab race on the military was

Unknown Speaker 31:00
really quite what it was that

Speaker 2 31:04
way they each team had a crab and there may shoot them on have some crabs did go from one end where it doesn't remove encouragement but

Unknown Speaker 31:15
everybody does and the day that I

Unknown Speaker 31:26
was there

Speaker 1 31:30
did you have to you have to have a liquor license in those days to serve

Unknown Speaker 31:34
liquor won't just

Unknown Speaker 31:38
give you a hotel to

Speaker 2 31:40
use when it comes to the in the early days they use 370 restaurants and that would do just for the hotel itself

Speaker 1 31:49
then you're talking about the the ones that this has played out and the ones that he just played? No,

Speaker 2 31:56
no this was just typically we didn't have I don't know who play the piano I think somewhere right because he loved the ball there or whatever I guess. But it was really just the house so that was half the funding I don't need to draw myself so that would be quite a long time

Unknown Speaker 32:17
to have your ducks lined up gramophone is a social fundraiser why not?

Unknown Speaker 32:28
Do without it being in the 20s

Speaker 2 32:31
Yes because I was only about 10 years old right at 30

Unknown Speaker 32:41
and they were just for the guests

Speaker 2 32:43
but they make come up and amazing costumes and

Speaker 2 32:56
those days and all the gas usage arrange the tone on some fancy dad so that's how they could rally as we as we go. We had to help do the entertaining people were getting more sophisticated

Speaker 1 33:14
so I guess in terms of entertainment on the island, harbour has really provided quite a lot on social

Speaker 2 33:23
media news to have their meetings their their ID everything was a powerhouse really only from telephone calls gave everything free and we never charged for anything.

Speaker 1 33:43
Did you did you? Did you get a quick cross section of people like did you get say the fathers and people working at malls? Or was it more of a more of an upper upper class Queenstown.

Unknown Speaker 34:01
New St. John adds a little bit of the

Unknown Speaker 34:04
fence about what's going on with each and every anybody who was a veteran garden faces

Speaker 2 34:15
I guess it was more of a pirate dancers. I'm thinking that was a little bit more printed I grew up my 21st birthday. And everybody you know more.

Speaker 1 34:29
They know some of the when I listened to tapes, talking about entertainment in the early times. They often talk about the schools you know and dances at the school. These are these are these are working class people. They don't they're nobody's none of them mentioned going to the harbor out of style.

Unknown Speaker 34:48
You'll notice that when you read the Charlie holes, little description of the data will help Canadians

Unknown Speaker 34:58
yeah

Unknown Speaker 35:04
These answers will be held with them I hope everybody's

Unknown Speaker 35:13
private

Unknown Speaker 35:21
dance was open for anyone we all like people who come in with their phone

Speaker 2 35:28
instantly charged with the fancy restaurant in China hotel

Unknown Speaker 35:38
but you'd have when people came in out of the vehicle everybody wouldn't be restricted when you get there

Speaker 2 35:48
and that was just me late 20s I guess

Unknown Speaker 35:53
so it's pretty early to know I guess

Unknown Speaker 35:59
it became 21

Speaker 2 36:09
They came in 21 when we didn't have a big pile of them 1921 on a sandy 21 And

Speaker 1 36:21
when Germany was born in 1904, so that would be 1925

Unknown Speaker 36:30
My grandfather wanted to run the beer parlor so they couldn't open it up until

Speaker 1 36:42
I mean even when I'm when I was a kid with the majority but now now it's different all over the place. Usually at night he

Unknown Speaker 36:57
said the nature of the bed and go on to the bathroom.

Unknown Speaker 37:04
Here now it was more fun. Yeah, it was very important. Wasn't

Unknown Speaker 37:10
as rough I guess. No,

Unknown Speaker 37:11
no, we didn't have that sort of rowdy. It certainly did you find sometimes

Unknown Speaker 37:21
that the beer parlor attract a cross section of people

Speaker 2 37:27
and was there any family you know you knew everybody's always calling from? Yeah. So

Unknown Speaker 37:31
you used to spend time and to be a part of the to

Unknown Speaker 37:39
the actual

Speaker 1 37:42
deal was there any entertainment in the beer? No, no, it

Unknown Speaker 37:47
couldn't even say our food.

Unknown Speaker 37:49
We couldn't

Speaker 2 37:54
I remember when I first moved to it didn't use to cope with some of that and I made it over in the morning. I think it was 11 o'clock that went on to Lebanon at night with no coding for supper. Oh boy. Then they brought him close for now I think from six days or 210

Speaker 1 38:20
What does it look like in fact to be a part of a big bar

Unknown Speaker 38:24
while you have some photos don't you remember one picture of you know an older girl

Unknown Speaker 38:33
I don't know why it is

Speaker 1 38:36
I should look at some of these things before are you going to loan meetings I've been planning we're going to lend me these

Speaker 2 38:43
put them out you know don't look at them as sort of a scrappy startup but quite interesting things you got lost because you didn't take what you want but this is this is my sister during June when a dirty more scary pretty

Speaker 2 39:20
skeptical they do is that some of them are stated have a mother's standard house for two years. And then she made a fancy army out her wedding and all the wedding receptions used to be an emotional

Unknown Speaker 39:47
who who is nice also be people who

Speaker 2 39:50
already have the middle one is my sister that the eldest sister, and the one on the right is a cousin

Speaker 2 40:17
This is one of the whole family shutdown has taken the state mountable

Unknown Speaker 40:35
just back to the work

Unknown Speaker 40:35
yeah I think he's gonna have an A three

Unknown Speaker 40:42
oh I think you're right yeah

Unknown Speaker 40:49
which which one are you in this picture

Unknown Speaker 40:52
all right sailors and marines let's be honest with myself we all began with the right

Unknown Speaker 41:07
why did they why did they do that

Speaker 2 41:08
on the other side of our shame and dads when there are no as a family name growing I guess sounds harsh I managed to need it's finished but I think by that time I think people started suggesting names you know Donovan and my others probably didn't like the name Donovan because school is becoming donkey and Patrick can be known as Pepe killer simple pouty piggy

Unknown Speaker 41:43
Do you see how much do you see him much

Speaker 2 41:46
he's the only one left yes the call because

Unknown Speaker 41:55
if he comes to visit if he comes to visit

Speaker 2 42:00
with John and I said Christmas with him you always come from a memory stay because he joined out from the lead the John's father who's in charge of a Dunkin coffee company so perhaps we should challenge to the supreme everyone

Speaker 1 42:29
so the crosses are an Irish family would you would you think that they were much different from an Englishman

Speaker 2 42:43
until known can't have any Irish and more Northern Irish I didn't have an Irish accent

Unknown Speaker 42:53
so this wouldn't be a picture on

Unknown Speaker 42:55
the company I lived with from a dad for two years so he's taken during a wall

Speaker 2 43:18
that's my dad that's an Irish relation as mother the eldest boy at strong silence and

Unknown Speaker 43:36
I think before the tennis court the multiple pitches

Unknown Speaker 43:48
I got Yeah, that's the one with tennis court

Unknown Speaker 43:55
it sounds awkward. Sounds awful. I'd say yeah,

Unknown Speaker 43:59
it is. When it's windy.

Unknown Speaker 44:05
We just moved to a new house

Speaker 2 44:08
in November November. My sister for a long time because she was ill and she helped me. Morris house up the road on the renovating

Unknown Speaker 44:23
so you've just moved here in November.

Unknown Speaker 44:26
Oh really?

Unknown Speaker 44:29
This house was put here in November. How are you liking it? Very

Speaker 2 44:36
much. Good. Well, my two nephews they put up the building and I can live here as long as I live. It's my property. Yeah. And I have a trailer up as I say the last 20 years with my sister.

Unknown Speaker 44:58
When did your sister die?

Unknown Speaker 45:04
Two years ago between October

Speaker 2 45:13
male was brother died the same year he died in March and she does not tell us oh really

Unknown Speaker 45:25
did you find any interesting pictures

Unknown Speaker 45:28
just so it gives you an idea of going through these about the carefree attitude

Speaker 2 45:43
finding what could be an Uncle What is his mother's old home was the golf club

Unknown Speaker 45:49
right Brian's great

Speaker 2 45:53
amazing this is all taken apart from

Unknown Speaker 45:58
the name harbor has also comes from comes from

Speaker 2 46:06
my grandfather's home was called moat which was really the family

Speaker 1 46:14
what kind of what kind of what were the Croft ins involved in in Ireland what kind of business

Unknown Speaker 46:27
in politics

Unknown Speaker 46:35
this was in Northern Ireland

Unknown Speaker 46:39
which will go away I think the presidency and the bonds are related by marriage and the bond

Unknown Speaker 46:49
mom and the moms broke my heart

Unknown Speaker 47:03
But dad was a wonderful mixture of people he had a good sense that he'll he didn't drink himself but he used to

Speaker 1 47:17
do within were there with their son with their other brother?

Speaker 2 47:50
Pensioners $5 A month this might be able to have a runny

Speaker 1 47:59
nose. You also ran some lumber camp. When did you start doing that? You know, about what what year?

Unknown Speaker 48:10
I would say around 20 or something. When I control when

Speaker 1 48:16
I come across references to actually there might be I think there's some material in the material that the that your group prepared. I don't know who did the lumbering section. I think it was I think Bob rush that he did some work on the windbreak. So accumulate. He probably has information on winning because I gather she was quite successful with her lumber camps. When he was quite successful, Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 48:52
She made her money logging, I guess. It was a while ago, we was having one of those child's father. Then he died as he married had happened. And he was also allowed to, okay.

Speaker 1 49:08
Didn't didn't they split up or something else, didn't they? Didn't they split up, didn't? You? Laughter didn't? Yes. Yeah. Because I know in the reminiscence that that that Chuck Charlie Horrell wrote, he talks about his parents splitting up when he was very young. And then there's a lot of references to Charlie Hall walking around barefoot or something. The

Speaker 2 49:32
guy with a very high level one time work because the lady that works for us they used to, I think, one of them it was going to be close to me to suck Anyway, next thing she knew the Roma truck, taking, you know, asking if we could have a meet that'd be 100

Speaker 1 49:59
today Did you know the the halls were they were they people in the newest way before the war or before that could you say that that platoon that regiment brought people together before that way How did you know them? Well right

Speaker 2 50:19
right we didn't make socially with a Muslim I mean everybody knew each other but the label is kept their own you know

Unknown Speaker 50:35
the each each sort of group capitalism the large black population still around I think

Unknown Speaker 50:48
we're not the old

Speaker 1 50:51
timers but the people like the Harrison's and the Andersons. Did you get it? Oh, yes. But no now, thinking back. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We walked around while

Speaker 2 51:05
the animals had very good voices. They have some brothers and they used to sing them the crop of some ox.

Speaker 1 51:14
Where did they end up going? The children? They moved off the arms I guess. Yes.

Speaker 2 51:20
The last one has a big problem but some very sleek. I think he left the two blue cash and which was his nephew, I think.

Speaker 1 51:27
Also the Andersons were related to the Harrison. The Andersons in the Harrisons were related

Speaker 2 51:34
in family with all UCS, I'm getting my hold up. I think they were Yes. But they were the were brothers, I think.

Speaker 1 51:46
Harrison's there was an Ernest Harris and I keep coming across his name. Did you know him?

Speaker 2 51:53
Well, I remember. I mean, I was quite young. I think he might be the one that had the big problem. And he wasn't married. He left it to his nephew. I think Lukash and he's still on.

Speaker 1 52:08
So you wouldn't have seen people like that socially, but you would have seen them have

Speaker 2 52:12
a seven or I remember him. He was very tall. But he went a little bit odd. I mean, he

Unknown Speaker 52:22
had a pot got on the pool, but he's, I think they call it what do they call it now?

Speaker 1 52:28
Are you talking? I know what you're talking about. The one right at the Drummond Park. Drummond Drummond Park.

Speaker 2 52:35
Yes. That was started in the Houston Warhol ism gang. He's down to this place. started this park was a long walk.

Speaker 1 52:51
I think there was an article while I gave you back. About two he owned that 90. Yes. Okay. That must have been awfully close to be Hamilton's trying to sort that out. And somebody had said that was called Drummond park, but the Germans weren't wasn't even their land apparently. Was Anderson's language. No, I

Unknown Speaker 53:17
don't know that. From

Speaker 1 53:23
maybe I kept it or. Versus the winner. Yeah. Jim Anderson. When you're thinking, yeah. Jim Anderson, barefoot black man who lived along in development road just south of grand Gulch. In the 1950s. Jim was a Beachcomber and as he searched for interesting clients, he actually swept the beach at the big rock below his property. He made a park of the land and invited people to use it for picnics free of charge. Every evening your neighbors were treated.

Unknown Speaker 54:02
I'm a farmer, or I know

Speaker 1 54:07
that every evening the neighbors were treated to the last post to otter path war veterans. And every morning he found that resume at dawn. Jim Anderson lived in several locations on Saltspring Island and had friends in both north and south and they may be Islanders who still remember him as a kindly man and friends. Well. It's interesting because most of the black people were in the north end. But there are a couple of years

Speaker 2 54:33
he lived he lived up. I don't know I have an idea. He lived out more like where the stop family live. Start. That might be wrong. But he used to work before

Unknown Speaker 54:46
he walked in to take into a bit of time.

Speaker 2 54:48
So that's what always fascinated me. There's neither one of you know, for when I was having this class, which was unusual nowadays. I think it was one of the first Well possibly heavier

Speaker 1 55:04
people used to do the same thing at Walker enough to go for picnics.

Speaker 2 55:07
Yes well I don't know the call was didn't like people that own the land and like you going on the property owner didn't know people did because he loves fitness quite a way from wherever house was. Yeah. So they never like people going on the landing No. Trip to buy side and sell side. Oh, I think it was two brothers.

Speaker 1 55:31
A friend of mine. You know Wayne Taylor. When Taylor he grew up on the island, or inherit Taylor Taylor. He runs the sea otter kayaking. He's also He teaches at Ganges school. He told me that there were quite a few weddings on the Caldwell on Walker hook. That used to be a popular place for weddings. But I guess you'd have to have been a friend of the Caldwell to arrange that

Speaker 2 56:06
I think the first time I heard about it Yeah. Oh, so anyways, Hampshire didn't have a house or you know their own private home. Yeah.

Speaker 1 56:13
Maybe Maybe he was thinking more a family family wedding. So I had a few questions about about harbor house. We were wondering, you remember the exact year closed down? Was it 1962 64

Unknown Speaker 56:32
or 164? Okay, so you're worthy

Unknown Speaker 56:34
because the skirts first name was the jack Gert who voted on the

Unknown Speaker 56:46
regulation

Unknown Speaker 56:49
of a house that he bought it became known as harbor House Hotel brackets 1964

Unknown Speaker 56:57
What was bracket 64?

Unknown Speaker 56:58
Harbor House Hotel brackets 1964 All right, to show that

Speaker 1 57:07
okay. And I also noticed that in that article that you wrote, you wrote for the historical society you mentioned that when they put in the tennis courts that have been in the 20s when when you put in the tennis courts regarding the 1920s

Unknown Speaker 57:29
I should mention the first court went in about

Speaker 1 57:32
you found a lot of a lot of bones there was a

Speaker 2 57:38
maple tree that they you know about that John is our profile and haven't been asked for a baffle was taken on within the yeah the

Speaker 1 57:51
but the the was you think you mentioned that it was a graveyard you thought it was a great it was

Unknown Speaker 58:02
practice of the Indians have a certain year not forgotten just with a chase. But there's that dead in the in the middle of itself. Because it was spared my uncle Derek was clearing the way that you know that they pay for the tennis drop that he came upon that he's well he's had 15 Skeletons.

Speaker 1 58:25
Now they also they also found quite a few and when Beth Hill was doing her, because that was another sort of the same area. Yeah, was it just a trick show? But it started the same. You think it could have been the same village?

Unknown Speaker 58:45
What I was told when I was working on this archeological dig for Simon Fraser exactly what I was told by one of the ideology says what to do as a business school sweetheart all the shells and everything from tends to pile up and pile up and then they move to another area the same thing will happen. So you can see as you dig down into the business, the various levels of the family members during certain periods or when they have put bodies well that was the original way of very low debt that may have led to above ground couldn't call the burials but

Unknown Speaker 59:40
we believe that that was supposed to be the burial ground

Speaker 1 59:44
and there's another there's another island called very allowance around voltage drop there. You know when you go towards Musgrave there's there's an island called Barry allow in there which was supposed to be

Unknown Speaker 59:57
just directly opposite our place where we Oh my god this is a small island called idle hollow yeah

Speaker 1 1:00:05
very people there too and I understand they found something on Walter Bay on that I read somewhere that they found some things in trees there you know the canoes the casket they put put body oil

Speaker 2 1:00:29
down your body or better Schroeder yeah that's where the sailing club well that's where they used to come and count the Indians because the records and bonuses you know got friendly with the Indian American it was good idea to be friendly with

Unknown Speaker 1:00:49
the shoulders store that was kosher

Speaker 1 1:00:58
so so the tennis courts with a big man in the middle area where the tennis courts were I guess if you were if you're going to make tennis courts here today you probably have a problem with a big nightmare and what do they like I guess there's so many maidens that they the archaeological people wouldn't wouldn't be too upset

Unknown Speaker 1:01:20
Well, the sun president do a dig on the tennis court

Unknown Speaker 1:01:29
and what did they find anything interesting

Unknown Speaker 1:01:31
well the usual stuff

Speaker 1 1:01:39
when they find implementing things they take them away off the island or just they did that with the with what they found

Speaker 2 1:01:50
or damaged said when he was working on the weekend because you know coming close these covering bones and Mrs. Castle as fertile federalized.

Speaker 1 1:02:04
I was interested in some of the personalities at Harbor they've done some of the personalities like I listened to

Unknown Speaker 1:02:13
I guess you've heard a lot about Mr. Bullock I've

Speaker 1 1:02:17
recruited with Mr. Bullock I was hesitating about mentioning Mr. Bullock because John seem to clinic

Speaker 2 1:02:33
really I don't see anybody seeing that there's been lots of others I just came across beautiful I used to come to harbor house every Sunday

Unknown Speaker 1:02:43
How old would he have been there?

Speaker 2 1:02:45
Were to me it was always an old man but I think in his 60s 70s are on the other side of the original how the house

Unknown Speaker 1:02:56
on the other side

Speaker 2 1:02:57
just did the bank. Oh I think as for for my granddad Well, again, it was discovered

Speaker 1 1:03:12
that's a very it's a lovely picture. Yeah, somebody somebody told me that he wasn't on great terms with with Reverend Wilson. Do you know anything about that? I think it was. Tony. Well, the

Unknown Speaker 1:03:28
reason is, is that the relationship between that I never heard that. Because first of all, the Reverend welcome is very Evangelical, very puritanical. Whereas Mr. Bullock have a very free lifestyle. enjoy drinking.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:49
Get Lucky didn't believe in drinking getting.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:55
Too bright you neither upcoming

Unknown Speaker 1:03:58
leading up to it was very difficult to the referee both had a conflict of interest. He had his puritanical ideas about how people should behave. But also at the same time he needed money for his parents provided that conflict of interest because of his lifestyle, but at the same time he had the money which he gave to the church. So

Unknown Speaker 1:04:20
it's kind of a compromise.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:26
It's about a survival. And when it comes to survival, you got to make compromises just the conditions.

Speaker 1 1:04:34
But it's strange that he wouldn't he wouldn't. He wouldn't have agreed to to christen your sister. Because of that. Her name. Diane, Oh, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:47
I forgot about that.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:50
So the road to come on who Krishna somebody I understand some military Victoria.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:57
But that does that cause any family problems? I

Unknown Speaker 1:04:59
don't Thanks You

Speaker 2 1:05:08
know I didn't really I don't think was your great while but keeping the family together on the island, you know they will have a big family anyway. And then when he went to California it seems they all went down in total and stayed there was rented houses roast him, so he's very strict and all that but he was also very kind

Unknown Speaker 1:05:37
anybody speak to the above and beyond, but he wasn't kind of generous

Speaker 2 1:05:45
was a great mother and dad. And he spoke very kindly down here and he said he really was they tell him and his habits everything

Speaker 1 1:05:58
seems to be a kind of a renaissance man painted and he chose to

Speaker 2 1:06:04
take up agriculture when he first came to Canada without I think he went to university by haste. And then he said he had the call for a church. So he really was he did a rock about agriculture.

Speaker 1 1:06:18
Did he go to the University of Guelph, I think because any then he was in Ontario for quite a while I think was after Sioux Sainte Marie Did Did your mother ever ever speak about about about what it was like being being his his daughter and he was

Speaker 2 1:06:39
very strict and I know that you know, they have services about three times a day and that sort of thing. Or maybe sharing a little bit but I know he pres anyway

Unknown Speaker 1:06:53
did he did he spend much time with no he's

Speaker 2 1:06:56
away a lot. Yeah. But I think you have the soil as well. Yeah. Because

Unknown Speaker 1:07:06
that's what I wondered. Yeah, I read about it and he was he was he

Speaker 2 1:07:11
was 11 children may have have a nanny or whatever they call them nowadays. And the government's and all that sort of thing

Unknown Speaker 1:07:21
What was your What was your grandmother like?

Speaker 2 1:07:23
She was very sweet nice gentle woman. Yeah. Tony

Speaker 1 1:07:32
any better to talk to Tony nor well

Speaker 2 1:07:36
nobody got the information he had information on I never heard really Oh really? She Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:49
I checked the authority that I came up with so that was comes from the Oxford Dictionary and just some examples this guy just about this Reverend Spooner who came up with the transpose syllables from one word to another and get mixed up yeah

Unknown Speaker 1:08:25
I get a clean fella say my dear clean here. He said, My credit game. Again, we're clean.

Unknown Speaker 1:08:36
It's sort of almost like malapropisms.

Speaker 1 1:08:44
So she was Was she completely overshadowed by him? Well,

Speaker 2 1:08:49
I only saw him a nursing home. Imagine see. Yes. I should imagine she was his word when she asked her father's

Speaker 1 1:08:59
name on anything but she must have been she must have been very much involved in the upbringing of the children. Oh, yeah. Wasn't there? No. Would they have had to? Would they have had servants?

Speaker 2 1:09:11
And they came to the Iran yes to God I didn't know what's really so much about the Wilson family like if you have got the ailment

Speaker 1 1:09:26
I've got a copy of that. Oh, yeah. I will I I just started reading it. And I got I've also got here I got his parish and home. You know, the little magazine that he put I've got one there. Yeah, that's the that's the promotional thing he wrote on Saltspring a lot of good information. Once he once I get to that period. There's a lot of there's a lot of information available thanks to him.

Speaker 2 1:10:06
When they came to the car, I think they had a couple of girls or somebody brought it to work outside. That's all it was. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:10:17
What about your own family? With it did with their servants in your own family? civil servants? Did you have any servants in your in your own? Well, we

Speaker 2 1:10:27
had a hotel. Before that. No, I used to have what they call median what they call themselves. Lady helps that came out from England. And they've adapted for that board to help. So that's what mother had when he was a chap by the name of Cartwright and he wrote a book late summer on silver. You ever read it? No. I heard about it. You mentioned stammered. Dad and uncle Lou had to go to Sydney to get adopted. It wasn't a doctor on the island. You remember? He was five years I think. And then he left he said he liked so much. Just the farm life and mother might say a charming person. made everybody feel welcome. And he didn't leave he left the rest of his life.

Speaker 1 1:11:30
This is this card right? Yeah, yeah. Do you remember his first?

Unknown Speaker 1:11:35
I think I don't know show where he was. It was Michael. You say he wrote he wrote a book? Yeah. Late summer. Late summer

Unknown Speaker 1:11:46
Why did he come here? I don't know

Speaker 2 1:11:48
really why he came here but he just take a lot of those English you know, came out and was

Unknown Speaker 1:11:54
he just traveling around?

Unknown Speaker 1:11:55
I guess so.

Speaker 1 1:11:58
This thing I ran into a book in in Vancouver that somebody had written again, somebody from England who who was traveling around any any section of the book as opposed to Saltspring and it's it's not that useful but it's interesting to see his perspective you know in one place this was in the early 1900s And he talks about walking from Ganges to full fruit and I think

Unknown Speaker 1:12:32
my uncle's he's a dancer

Speaker 1 1:12:34
but what interested me were the key he said it was a boring walk but I think it's I think anything on this island is even creating a profound founded

Unknown Speaker 1:12:54
on a farm that we had with my father and mother it gives you sort of an idea what my life we had

Unknown Speaker 1:13:08
pictures of

Unknown Speaker 1:13:18
anybody want any more tea?

Unknown Speaker 1:13:20
I have a little more if I can help myself no

Unknown Speaker 1:13:24
no I'm just wanting to

Unknown Speaker 1:13:26
Oh I thought Oh, I thought you had it ready

Speaker 2 1:13:27
ready buddy just got cold okay

Unknown Speaker 1:13:38
let's hear my father grandmother

Unknown Speaker 1:13:56
picture missing yeah

Unknown Speaker 1:14:09
that's another good shot 39 out toward nobody very happy

Unknown Speaker 1:14:31
with you can see, we went from a very simple problem to plug into the wall. These photos are part of the display I then put on somebody I did a presentation was it was a joint thing. Called the colonel, Soldier and citizen. inserted my father because he became quite an error on on Saltspring because of the war

Speaker 1 1:15:09
did you so this was run as a as a producing farm producing 4 million pounds at this and at the same time there was also the Hotel The hotel was also functional

Unknown Speaker 1:15:23
oh yeah sure yeah because my mother she was teaching 20 agents flitcroft Yeah so right now we're sitting on property that didn't belong originally belong to originally belong to credit cards all of this land

Unknown Speaker 1:15:50
considering you have a problem with your hand you're doing awfully well

Unknown Speaker 1:16:00
thank you very much so this is the fun unit

Unknown Speaker 1:16:13
and all of

Speaker 1 1:16:17
this is basically just your your your father and mother and your yourself and also by so so the round here this property here

Unknown Speaker 1:16:39
from here on out right to vote to

Unknown Speaker 1:16:43
add office, and at that point, the hotel wouldn't belong to retro and when did he die?

Unknown Speaker 1:16:56
1941 4242

Speaker 1 1:17:02
You got to have that on your on your I didn't get it you know what year he was born?

Unknown Speaker 1:17:16
No, I know what he gave out. He was How old was he when he was 16 when he came up? And he arrived at 99 Was it

Speaker 2 1:17:33
few years after, they might have listened family rather than 94. So the dad came in 96

Unknown Speaker 1:17:39
So he was born in 1880

Unknown Speaker 1:17:45
I have different dates here. But I wondered about

Unknown Speaker 1:17:57
I had thought coming in 99

Unknown Speaker 1:18:02
we had a reunion last year. 96. So with 96.

Speaker 1 1:18:11
And what about Frank Frank 98 with Frank Crawford

Unknown Speaker 1:18:19
was his younger brother. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:18:20
What year did he come? You know? I have no idea was it after? Yes. I have 19 here

Unknown Speaker 1:18:29
and and what what's your was he the first one to come?

Speaker 2 1:18:36
No doubt I was the first one to comment on the other boat has come out of a navy.

Unknown Speaker 1:18:42
You know what, what's your thinking?

Unknown Speaker 1:18:45
No, I don't but it was similar out to I think I would say around about 90 or something. 89 you know 9099 98

Unknown Speaker 1:19:02
Frank and Ernest didn't come at the same time

Unknown Speaker 1:19:09
I think Frank came first

Speaker 1 1:19:30
he was 16 when he came, so yeah, so we're thinking he might have been born in a Canadian. I have your I have your mother. Your mother's date. 1878 To 54

Unknown Speaker 1:19:53
gotten that you get that from Towson. Bob Thompson. I

Speaker 1 1:19:55
might have Yeah. Quite a bit of information from from that So one of the things I was interested in finding out something more about were the people, the personalities who came to her house, like there seems to be a number of names that you mentioned, when you talk to you talk to somebody named Ruth Sandwell. Seven years ago.

Speaker 2 1:20:20
She Americans know. She was from Ontario, actually, the person who would have been to yoga, and that's why I asked her, because I wasn't sure. But I just, you know, she was the first time I met her phone, and could she come to? And I don't think she stayed on the hour, right? Oh, did she

Unknown Speaker 1:20:38
not really only didn't buy property here

Unknown Speaker 1:20:41
renting at the time that that she came to

Unknown Speaker 1:20:45
the about some of the old Bullock property.

Speaker 2 1:20:48
And she was in what we call the terminus. They were old timers there when she came to see you all myself. That's very close to the property.

Speaker 1 1:21:01
That's where I think they bought eventually. But they didn't keep it very long. Two or three years, maybe. And I think I think it's part of the land that's being developed. Right now. I think it's part of the land is now being Oh, yes.

Speaker 2 1:21:16
Yeah. How long did what happened here? Because that's how I saw I never did hear the tapes. I don't think Oh, that's too

Speaker 1 1:21:25
bad. I could have brought you where you want to hear. If you like I can make your copy.

Unknown Speaker 1:21:33
Available in the archives there in the archives. You can

Speaker 1 1:21:35
just borrow it, and then you can if you'd like. But uh, yeah, I just listened to it. Actually. I had some, this is what she did. She, she listed the information. She she summarized it. She did this for all these things. We had a grant to do this project. And she really did a good job. She was just here last week, actually, I had lunch with with her Mary Davidson and Sumali. And she was she she's still finishing her PhD thesis. I think she's been doing it since the time she was here pretty well. But she she wrote this kind of detailed analysis of every tape that she made. And she did quite a lot of tape. It was interesting. She was very she really enjoyed Charlie Horrell. I'm sure Yeah, because she she commented on that. And she said she thought to take she didn't again, Jessie had to take. And she's done quite a lot of time together. And she said that she thought those were the back ones. I only I haven't really listened to them yet. I've gotten the phone. I'm trying to do this as I as I get to the period, which I'm writing. And believe it or not, and I'm actually not here yet. I'm on chapter on that right now. So I just listened to Tom Crapo. Did you go to that limit. But that was before he actually started writing the book. And I think that a lot of the information he subsequently got, I think some of the information he had at that point wasn't, wasn't quite, quite accurate. Jeanne Brown has also done a lot of work on that. I have I have something on hers on Mariah Maha, which is kind of interesting. Mary Davidson introduced me to Jean, I found

Unknown Speaker 1:23:51
her very interesting. She spoke to us, at the first meeting of the Board test this project, going down a project

Speaker 1 1:24:01
where she's agreed to look over the manuscript and make suggestions and

Unknown Speaker 1:24:06
protect that really impressive thing about what you're doing is that you've decided on your own. That's exactly what the aim is for your book. Yeah. So I don't know how many meetings we went to. Very David. So then the whole crowd about what we should be doing, what's the purpose of a bunch of research and because I thought it should be used as a textbook for schools. Go on? Well,

Speaker 1 1:24:32
if it's done well, it could still be a textbook for the schools. I mean, there'll be used that way. I mean, that's certainly a possible a possible market for it. My my approach is I come from a publishing background so I I have some idea of how books are put together. I think I'm very lucky to have come in on this project. At a point when people are so tired that they don't want to play about it. Right. I noticed the root fan. Well, I've been involved. I saw some paperwork that Tom Wright showed me a letter. And I think she was she got involved just at the wrong time. People were still arguing about this or whatever. People were arguing that the AP I, but if you want to listen to it, I can make you a copy. Or I've actually made copies of a few things for people because they said, Well, I never heard that tape. So I thought, well, I can make you a tape. Copy that kind of interesting. It doesn't take very long, you just put it on one of those machines to take to talk. Yeah, I'm gonna have a whole chapter on it.

Speaker 2 1:25:46
Because one silly story was I used to come every Sunday for lunch. And after and she'd sent him a little city room and had a chair especially No problemo so we could get out of it. Because it can take a long time he will get out so fast. And they were a little girl saying in the house and she looked around she said did God make you and he said yes. And she said well why didn't he put some of that policy back here on him because he was just the most embarrassing and then she said what's on your nose? And she said What's it for? This time we you know, I think a mother got a hold on hush your reaction female when he really wanted the right kind man he liked I think well, I've ever

Unknown Speaker 1:26:44
been to a couple of children's parties that he put on when I was about 20 children big dining table and under every plate was $1 bill so well that that was early 30s was ever built up to this huge lunch we're gonna play hide and go seek it is big, spooky old house. So he was very tired.

Unknown Speaker 1:27:19
Why do you think he never got mad?

Speaker 2 1:27:21
And that's why I'm starting to examine this. He had a brother peddling him in February and he was able to have 18 inch waist and all of a woman that he admired I guess ever loved him and his brother married her so he came out here

Unknown Speaker 1:27:43
where did this money come from?

Unknown Speaker 1:27:47
No, I don't know how they made the

Unknown Speaker 1:27:51
money to come from the family though.

Speaker 2 1:27:55
Because those days nobody has any money. He she was just a few people. Yeah. Think we started this rich because he nobody else

Unknown Speaker 1:28:07
will comparatively very rich. He built

Speaker 2 1:28:10
his house with $2,000 I don't know how many bedrooms were about seven even 20 bedrooms. Quite a mansion generally because you can't prepare them a date to the days. Well,

Speaker 1 1:28:22
so did you did you go to any of those legendary parties or were there before your time? Yes.

Speaker 2 1:28:29
My mother and dad went to what they call a mix parties. And they go stuffing he insisted on a black tie. white tie whatever. Ago more than a couple came out from England you were asking about health minister Mr. Speed and they were saying at the Stephens boarding house and they said people want to buy apartments offering so Grandpa has ever Why don't y'all got a southern log that cropped and my dog doesn't they have a farm and you can go down and stay with them and help them farming so they did they shaved for about three years. So that was some of the help with your mom and dad had when these people were dragged out of the room and born but anyway, they they were invited to a dinner party Mr. Books and I got to know allow long tails or whatever they want evening dresses and went up on my wagon. I guess they only had a buddy of them. So I took other people with them. So inanimate was supposed to this wonderful dinner. After dinner I used to go to the drawing instead of coffee used to say to stick in a bit of sherry or whatever. But then he then he had boys in uniform and it was every time he went he had the awkward voice. But they didn't have they didn't wear uniforms. He taught them how to cook he certainly knew how to cook myself from because we read either it says hello even from you know I don't always get the giggles and everything else all night we arrived I know it was in June I know it's my cousin's the world growing myself and my eldest and anyway he never said the door and he told us he had an upper and lower vegetable that greeted us with I'd like you to come down and see my bar from my bottom and he said I got big red radishes coming out well that was enough to say I never didn't see his god we I think I stood on the running mode it was one of those older cars but he did to see the minor slapping the older sisters through much better of eight private I got this hopeless bride was another one that giggle with my cousin but he didn't seem to mind at all he

Unknown Speaker 1:31:05
was very good that he had a good sense of humor to do you laugh a lot as well.

Unknown Speaker 1:31:15
C'est la vie themselves no

Unknown Speaker 1:31:16
just last period

Speaker 2 1:31:17
Yes I think so. He was he seemed like a happy person. I think so he enjoyed his meals and he enjoyed the farm and all the boys that he was very very good to them in them all lambda or something I think he was happy as he could be really

Unknown Speaker 1:31:42
wasn't many people didn't have it his party

Speaker 2 1:31:46
Well, I think in the old days you'd have 30 or 40 that many but they you know was less

Speaker 1 1:31:55
because we know why would change. You don't listen to the good goodies tape. Yeah, goody goody said that his his parties were very much exaggerated. And he said they were never when he was there. There were never more than I think he said about eight eight guests at a time

Speaker 2 1:32:14
there was never any doubt Yes, but he before goodie there was a Mrs. Palmer and they did those were the days when they I don't think goody goody goody ever wore uniform No, I don't know I'm not I don't think he would anyways. No I didn't know I think many days he when he first came out the public good each day there was a lot there. Maybe 10 or 12 I know when he had Mr. Palmer had the boys in uniform and things were done a little differently

Speaker 1 1:33:02
in terms of the people at your at Harbor house, on your tape you mentioned you mentioned Mr. Ross. You remember Mr. Ross? I

Speaker 2 1:33:12
said he was very nice gentleman who might say you know Hong Kong most of his life and we're tired. You come home has for the winter and how much for the summer. Okay, good game of golf and billiards shoes.

Unknown Speaker 1:33:28
We spent the whole winter here really? And so he was retired in

Unknown Speaker 1:33:36
the house about six years

Speaker 1 1:33:41
and it might have been a little younger Were there many people who lived full time

Speaker 2 1:33:47
for quite a few not winters very but they had to travel to San Fran had to stay overnight because of the ferry service.

Speaker 1 1:33:56
What I was thinking of this Mr. Ross he stayed the whole winter Oh yeah,

Speaker 2 1:34:01
we do. We did. Kind of thinking critically and people are teachers. And then we used to get the telephone lamb and electric light boys as we call it from Nanaimo.

Unknown Speaker 1:34:17
So Western Chris Lee they're about the same time as

Speaker 2 1:34:23
different in a run was a gentleman with a Robert Taylor knows as you know, there's very short leash that way but Mr. Ross really and they got along fine because they both played golf.

Unknown Speaker 1:34:43
Dan was was supposed to take people fishing and

Unknown Speaker 1:34:52
catch salmon didn't