374_Usha-Rautenbach_John-Craven-Jones_Early-SSI-Schools_2012.mp3

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17.02.2024

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Outline

Education and teachers in a small town.
• Speaker 1 discusses John Craven Jones, a man who faced barriers in a community where Henry Robinson, a neighbor, expressed concerns about his religion.
• Speaker 2 mentions John Craven Jones, who was dismissed from his school despite being an important figure in the education system.
• Speaker 2 suggests dividing the story into chapters based on dimensions like the teachers or John Craven Jones, with each chapter focusing on a different aspect of the story.
• Mr. Cook, a strict disciplinarian, reconstructed troubled schools with his effective teaching methods.

Oral history and community in the Gulf Islands.
• Speaker 2 mentions the importance of oral history and the Gulf Islands school district, while Speaker 1 provides details on the consolidation of school districts in the area.
• Speaker 2 discusses John Craven Johnson, a black educator who left the island after 10 years and went on to have a family of educators in the state, but was lost to history.
• Speaker 3 mentions that while the island is well-known geographically, its history is not as well-known, and they express interest in learning more about Johnson's story.

One-room school teachers in British Columbia.
• Speaker 1 mentions a missing woman named Evelyn who was last seen with a teacher named John Craven Jones.
• Speaker 2 discusses the regulations for female teachers in British Columbia, including the prohibition on kissing cousins and the requirement for a chaperone in a car with a man.

• Cook was sent from school to school, with fond memories of Mr.
Dodds and Mrs. Furnace.
• Speaker 3 reflects on the impact of a former teacher, John Craven Jones, on their community.

Community, geography, and family occupation in 19th century British Columbia.
• Speaker 1 reads a letter from a 16-year-old girl who is the president of a pig club on Saltspring island, discussing transportation challenges for their pigs.
• Speaker 2 discusses the importance of family and occupation in the black community, while Speaker 1 shares personal anecdotes about the history of the school.
• Speaker 1 discusses the multicultural aspect of the community, including the intermarriage of different ethnic groups and the influence of religion on family occupation and location.
• Speaker 3 shares anecdotes about the early days of the Roman Catholic Church in the area and how it interacted with the local Indian population.

Homeschooling and private schools in British Columbia.
• Speaker 1 discusses homeschooling and private schools on Saltspring Island, highlighting differences in educational beliefs between England and Canada.
• Mrs. Holly, a dedicated teacher, inspired her students to excel in French and received top prizes in Canada.

School history and community building.
• Mrs. Abbott shares stories of the school's history, including a play called "1890" and a student named Rosie Connolly who ran away.
• Plans are made for a school photo project, including categories and subtitle options.
• Early settler schools in Canada featured diverse student populations, including First Nations, Black, Scottish, Japanese, and Chinese children.

Daily life in a historical village.
• Ruth told stories of women's work in the Inner Harbor, including selling eggs and making socks for bachelors.
• Speaker 1 shows off their collection of vintage school supplies, including writing implements, school desks, and chores such as feeding animals.
• Speaker 2 is impressed by the attention to detail in the models and the demonstration of daily life in the past.
• Speaker 1 discusses inaccuracies in a historical document, including incorrect dates and spellings, and the importance of accuracy in historical research.
• Speaker 2 mentions the possibility of using pictures or audio to intersperse with the text in a chapter about a historical figure, and the potential for a lunch guest to arrive during the meeting.

Speaker 1 0:00
As they put barriers in the way of, of John Craven Jones that were almost insurmountable to him, because he had to come into the room on the room is going to breeze through them. And then there's some information there because then everyone seems to relate.

Speaker 1 0:41
Not the only message that I know, that wasn't supporting him is from Henry Robinson, who I respect so deeply that it does concern me. But I also think, well, he was a neighbor.

Unknown Speaker 0:54
What did he say? What did he say? What did he say?

Speaker 1 0:56
He said, We need a better teacher than the one we've got. And

Unknown Speaker 0:59
was Henry Robinson black as well.

Speaker 1 1:02
He was he was but he was the one who wasn't? No, no, no. He was from he was from Bermuda. So he was not the same community of people. He was married to a white woman, a white, Roman Catholic, Irish woman. And he, he maintained his his religion, which was very non Roman Catholic, what the Methodists were, they were called before that, even and they both maintained their religions all the way through them marriage, which was a fine one, they had plenty of kids. They stayed together, I'm fascinated by this white Roman Catholic. Margaret, what she? What was she thinking? What did she see? And she's older than him by considerable number of years. But I do all these things with my head, and they're not relevant to this one room scope for the further real emphasis. So maybe we have to leave out John Craven. No, but no. Let

Speaker 2 2:03
me tell you. The structure of this structure is we have our central purpose. And then they want us to have what they call storylines which they in their in this thing that I did online, they make the analogy between the storylines and chapters of a book. Of course, John Craven Jones is a chapter in in and of himself, and he says the

Unknown Speaker 2:22
storyline is what matters to them. Yes,

Speaker 2 2:25
yes. So what the education meant to to the to the, you know, to Kevin, yeah, to the bottom, you know, certainly

Speaker 1 2:32
you see, there was a law in the States against the black kids, even learning anything. We've got Sylvia Stark recording that now she learned, because she would accompany her mother who looked after the children, and they were being taught how to read and write. And so they start learning to read and write without being taught because she was there. Yeah, I know. That happens. Yes, of course. So it's against the law. And that was why John Craven Jones father, his schools were burnt to the ground over and over again, three times

Speaker 2 3:02
instead and the stuff I did have from the stuff that I read, you were the only person who said that John Craven Jones was dismissed, I think is how you put it. It wasn't mentioned in Charles con, it wasn't mentioned by evil in white, who wrote something for the dismissed. Yeah, you put the D was dismissed in 78. A

Unknown Speaker 3:20
bit of stuff, you know, in the archives in Victoria. Yeah, I'd be interested in whether that's true, or real archives, but it's the Department of Education stuff, which, by the library, Victoria was

Unknown Speaker 3:38
in that binder, sort

Unknown Speaker 3:40
of courtyard, so.

Unknown Speaker 3:45
It came from the school district, they've handed the

Unknown Speaker 3:48
library up here and has

Unknown Speaker 3:52
been part of it with UCS as one

Speaker 1 3:59
of the Gulf Island schools, that's the one that is so inaccurate, it needs to be No, it's in the front of that, that is so inaccurate. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 4:13
But, but,

Speaker 1 4:14
but what's in this larger, you know, I haven't got the original document a nice day all day or take it home.

Speaker 2 4:23
I just, I think I need Yeah, so the other thing I'd like us to do is to decide what the chapters will be the story, okay. They want at least they least they want at least one or two. So I think we can do a lot more than that. And at first I was thinking enough sending this to Frank I thought oh, well wait, you know, we've got seven or eight schools. We could do one for each and I thought no, that's boring. Let's do it through dimensions like the teachers or John Craven, John's I think he deserves a chapter to himself. I'm in love with him and he's

Speaker 1 4:52
worth education meant to him. Education meant to the community. Yeah, he starts that out. Now, another chapter Yeah, is definitely the fact that we had long lasting teachers and how they stay Yes. Which also mentions what the state was for everybody else, which was very short lived teachers that Paul beaver points up there from for a considerable time. And what we have there is very specific men, and we've got memories of what he was like. So he held discipline, by being a very strict man, he never beat anybody because she never disobeyed Him. And that's Florence. Hepburn also, she was a strong disciplinarian, or authoritarian stance, as it were. Who was that? So? cook, cook. And he's always called Mr. Cook with lots of AWS is called, I can't remember what which school was he he went to all the schools that are suffering. So when they had a teacher that couldn't, couldn't keep discipline, that person would leave and Mr. Cook would go in and reconstitute that school, get the kids behaving well. And then another school would be in trouble. So he would move from there, but the kids now knew how to behave so another teacher came in with the benefit of Mr. Cook having sort of gotten them together and excited to they obviously liked learning under Mr. Cook. Yeah, there's all sorts of dreadful things like going into the, into the school room and, and the Church known to the church and throw lots of bits of music paper around and not clean it up after him and and leave a bottle of alcohol. Sweet did he. And he was this lovely legend rather than true story that the, that the Hawaiians, he went to Isabella point to that the Hawaiians were scared of him because he was a descendant of the cook that they. So we could mention that because I don't believe a bit by the story. I

Unknown Speaker 6:57
like the idea of Charles putting in gray things that people word of mouth stuff. Yes. Yeah,

Speaker 2 7:07
I think I think it can add color, oh, it had colors. And we want to we want to have a bit of color in it. But we will have to make it very clear that it's,

Speaker 1 7:16
I've got my stance on. That's right. Oral history, I could write a little bit about the importance of oral history, as well as the importance of of researching the oral histories.

Speaker 2 7:30
You know, yes. Oral history isn't necessarily in but I don't know that. That's the point here. The point is to get a picture of the community from those memories, which may or may not be accurate. You know, but nonetheless, together, they give you, you know, a

Unknown Speaker 7:47
picture of that chat.

Unknown Speaker 7:48
I was wondering if we should be doing the Gulf Islands, and that's our spring

Speaker 2 7:52
that the schools in the Gulf Islands, so broader,

Unknown Speaker 7:55
we could add was a school district? Yeah, yes,

Speaker 2 7:57
indeed. It was. That's what I was. I was listening yesterday. Not

Unknown Speaker 8:00
from the beginning, though.

Unknown Speaker 8:05
But I just wondered if that would add a bit of weight? Oh, yes, I

Speaker 2 8:09
think so. I think it would detail. Okay, take away because I think this is supposed to be small, and communities to begin with. So I would say what do you think, Frank, but

Speaker 1 8:21
I can think of that, because that's what this is. And all of this is all of that. Yeah. And I know, I'm interested in I'm finding the gallery. I think

Speaker 2 8:30
you mentioned the whole of the Gulf Islands as a school district. I think that will come up. When did they become a whole school district

Speaker 1 8:36
did it nine, shortly after 1940?

Speaker 2 8:41
Oh, so it became a single district after? Before that it

Unknown Speaker 8:44
was so it was spring island in 1940.

Unknown Speaker 8:47
Well, it was still Gulf Islands, main island and Galliano not

Unknown Speaker 8:52
in 1947. It

Unknown Speaker 8:53
says the Soviets and the Soviets in our school districts were incorporated into the Saltspring United School District in 1938.

Speaker 1 9:01
That was getting ready for because the building was being built then it was 1940 that

Speaker 2 9:06
we're going up to the 40s. So so we get

Speaker 1 9:12
the consolidated school even though Isabella point and beaver point carried on until 1953. But I do I do have the date of when it was sometime after 1940 that school district 64 was started. And the thing that was before it was called 64 was the same as well. I

Unknown Speaker 9:34
can see that problem we have bravi. Far too much worried. Yes.

Speaker 2 9:41
But we can. The other thing I did was to look at what they've got and what they funded and they actually have links when you go to that link. So they found it and the kind of thing that they will do, for example, an example and it's not related to us at all except it as a sort of example is in New Brunswick, there was this apartment building which housed sort of like six families and these families had like five to 10 children each. So it was like six apartments with all these people. That one? Yeah, it's a lovely one. And so it's about them. And it's the person who did it had traced all these people. And they have the audio of their own memories. People, yeah, people getting married people, you know, or arguments between the families. But what they also did then was to talk about what people did. So then you get the actual community in which this this apartment building is, and then pictures of the downtown of that town, which I can't remember what it was, and the industry and how the industry waned, and this affected this very working class apartment building. So it was a very small physical area. However, it because they talked about themselves and their families and what happened to the families. The it went out into the community and very much was a portrait of that time. And that, you know, so I think, to to get a focus, we want to focus on the island. That's my feeling, I'd say I'm willing to, you know, is and also I think our island is so interesting.

Unknown Speaker 11:13
Well, it's, it's well known, but not to, not to Canada. Yes, it is.

Unknown Speaker 11:20
You think it's too well known? No, no.

Unknown Speaker 11:24
That's well known geographically, but not really well, history.

Unknown Speaker 11:27
Here. Oh, no, I'm not saying here. There

Unknown Speaker 11:31
are buttons and structure even but,

Unknown Speaker 11:34
but I think leaving just a salt.

Speaker 2 11:39
Yeah, I mean, I've I've since I read about John Craven, Johnson. I have this sort of intellectual love affair with. Yeah, I think I went to everybody going, have you heard the story? And nobody has heard the story. They may have even sort of got some idea that yes, there was the school and yes, it was a black community, but they don't know about him. And he's fascinating. And his family background is fascinating. And the fact that he I was fascinated by the fact that he left here after 10 years and then went and carried on teaching, but not married. 4848 and then children and they turned out all to be educators in the state. Yes. And we lost that wonderful moment. You know, if

Unknown Speaker 12:21
any one of them has done any background studies

Speaker 1 12:24
we've got no not coming back.

Speaker 2 12:30
We got to get the grant totally. You don't know about us? Yeah. So if

Speaker 1 12:34
somebody else has done it, she's the missing lady. I forgotten what her name is right this minute. missing one who Evelyn talked to and then she went missing also

Unknown Speaker 12:43
do we get permission to use that song that John Jonathan DE SILVA

Unknown Speaker 12:53
desperately have got that you

Unknown Speaker 12:55
did you know that song?

Unknown Speaker 12:57
I knew it was there somewhere but I found

Speaker 2 13:00
it I found it was interesting to her found it through with this is Washington schools evil in what has written an article for The Washington School.

Speaker 1 13:08
I've got permission. I've got the authorized permission from him already for written permission. Yeah, I can send off

Speaker 2 13:17
forbids Yes, yes. No, totally. Totally.

Unknown Speaker 13:21
I must write that. We've

Unknown Speaker 13:22
got to get out first. Yeah. So

Speaker 2 13:26
we've got we've got we've got John Craven Jones teachers and I think that's very interesting. The the BC education little bit that they've got on school runs, talks about the regulations for female teachers and they're wonderful. They are no female teacher shall keep company with a man. And she might be in a car with a man unless he has a brother or a father. No kissing cousins and it actually uses that expression. This whole female teachers wonderful

Speaker 1 13:56
resource to spread this wider than solopreneur it has that it's all quotations, floating schools from Frozen inkwell to the one room schools of British Columbia. And it's Matt It's lots of drama. So we can do that same thing. Yes. of just reading out. Yes. Reading reading reading in my first posting to the north I worked out of Fort St. John It was a terrible business driving up the Alaska Highway in those days, etc. Yes. And describing making the ink when it when the water is frozen. So then that's

Speaker 2 14:32
it. That's the third chapter should be daily life in the one room school. Oh, yes. Yeah, yes.

Unknown Speaker 14:37
Daily last well,

Unknown Speaker 14:38
didn't you keep the ink under your armpits to keep it warm enough to the front facing?

Speaker 2 14:45
This is This is wonderful. So now we have three and I think I've got two more here. Oh, yes. Come on.

Speaker 1 14:49
Well, you need to add to cook who went from school to school to school and was posted there. Raffles party who started the school year and he also Oh, wait till he was 50 then got married then had a kid etc 50

Unknown Speaker 15:05
where he doesn't look 50 Yes, wait

Unknown Speaker 15:06
a minute, but you can't really

Speaker 1 15:11
know I know that. Well, it's like, well, Willingham and Margaret, exactly.

Speaker 2 15:16
Are you suggesting a separate storyline on raffles, or just 111 of the teachers that

Speaker 1 15:21
he's with cook with bouncing off each other. And also in there is the female teacher because a few of the teachers were not allowed to teach after they got married.

Speaker 2 15:31
My mother in 1940 had that problem. She concealed her marriage until she got pregnant dimension dodgy Brenda reveal. Oh, wonderful. Okay, that was that was the song Yes, from

Unknown Speaker 15:53
what's his name? Phil. Phil.

Unknown Speaker 15:57
Knight 2006 was the copyright on that on

Speaker 1 16:00
an official form. So but cook

Speaker 2 16:04
and raffles per day, which is such a lovely name. Yes. The they're under the teachers chapter long lasting teachers. Yes, long lasting teachers.

Unknown Speaker 16:15
So then Mr. Dodds

Speaker 1 16:19
that I have lots of them. It's the story of how Cook was sent from one to another. Mr. Dodds, and yes, all of them are just so with the female teachers. I would use the furnace kick furnace as as an example because she's my North End school person.

Unknown Speaker 16:39
Kate furnace

Unknown Speaker 16:41
and Mr. Dodds with his homeschool daughter.

Unknown Speaker 16:45
So he was a teacher, but he had a very, very

Speaker 1 16:48
fond of Mr. Dotson. I'm very fond towards family. Well,

Unknown Speaker 16:51
yeah. One of Doug's students have to think about this. He went from grade eight here to university and while he was a doctor in Halifax, we try to see him when we were there and didn't.

Speaker 1 17:14
Doctor in Halifax taught

Unknown Speaker 17:18
students. Now I'm too vague about it. I don't know I'm writing it down.

Speaker 1 17:23
This is my further research means with less father. Yes. Amazing, unless he was the one who didn't like being inside the class. And I

Unknown Speaker 17:31
wouldn't mind to do a chapter on whether, because I remember and Jesse Toynbee was teaching in the cranberry in 1916. Yes.

Speaker 2 17:40
Oh, this sounds wonderful. So whether whether you Okay. That sounds wonderful.

Unknown Speaker 17:53
Whether, because there was a problem.

Speaker 1 17:59
Yes, a lot of the ES. And we're just cold everything was.

Speaker 1 18:14
Ugly. So that's, that's wonderful. Then I've got these are just proposed, we can throw out lots of them. Because I've got to Yes, but this one I'd really like us to do is John Craven. Jones is what the education meant to them. But what the schoolhouse meant to the computer community? Yes. Yes. Along with part of that is because of the geography that divided? Yes. We had eight school districts on an incredibly tiny

Unknown Speaker 18:42
alone, there was no industry here. Everybody had, yes. A small holding farms, self sufficient and they had.

Speaker 2 18:52
So geography and geography and transportation, the transportation of goods. How did you? So

Speaker 1 19:03
we've we've for the transportation one, we've got the most wonderful letter from a 16 year old who's George's mother riding to the department. It's not an education in in Victoria, but football fares and her letter is describing how they hurt pig club down at Musgrave landing. Her pig club. This is 16 year old she's the president pick up and she writes and there's this wonderful letter that George has said his back from which George George loves laundry, and he should read the letter and proceed he's good at putting a lot of warmth into after. So they wrote back on half a sheet of paper which is why George shows it to me not the other part on half a sheet of paper to save half the postage. This is what the ministry of whatever it is agriculture does you see us but they are saying of course. Dear President of the pink club of the South Send Saltspring island because she was the president something. She's coming all the way from that. From Musgrave landing to fall third and Burgoyne base that's a local area. Yeah. To run the pig club. And they are saying she, she pled with them. We can't take our pork pigs all the way up Leesville and over the divide all the way to Central. For the, for the for fat, we can't do it. Why can't your judge one person alone and not a child and not with a pig? Come and judge our pigs down? Yeah. So the ministry of of agricultural, whatever it is. So yes, of course, we totally understand. Thank you for your letter, treating her very, like a very serious adult. And I love the letter. Yes. Oh, that sounds wonderful. So this is about transportation. Yes. Yep.

Speaker 2 20:51
Transportation, to geography and geography. And yeah, yes, yes. Yes, absolutely. So. So now that's very interesting, because now we're sort of really going out in not only we're going out into the community, but we're going out into the physical world, with the weather and the weather and the geography. I think that's wonderful. Then

Speaker 1 21:09
there are two other and the daily life. I haven't got an arrow. Yeah, I've

Unknown Speaker 21:13
got daily life.

Unknown Speaker 21:14
Well, I think family occupation. Yeah. And I was yes, I

Speaker 2 21:18
was I was I tell you what one of my thoughts was, because I'm a social psychologist, but I was sort of interested in the social backgrounds of these people. And the way in which the black community had their schools up here. And we actually haven't

Speaker 1 21:32
got no, no, it was mixed. If it was totally me. It was the reason why it was a black school at the beginning. That's what it was going on. They were the only families that came with children. Everybody else was a bachelor. That was the famous Mr. And Mrs. Linacre and the lovely, thank you so much. So for these for Margaret. Margaret Walters, oh, just just such a gem

Speaker 2 21:57
but because because the the sort of the the place where everybody landed and state was up there, at first at least

Speaker 1 22:06
30s was the place that that was the only place a teacher came specifically to teach in 1860. Yeah, that's what that is about. There was no other school. Yes. Until 72. And

Speaker 2 22:19
there was nobody with the will to teach free of charge.

Unknown Speaker 22:24
Remember Ernest Harrison telling me not only did he have to go to school at Central? Yes. The days Mr. Jones did didn't. He had to walk up to the north? Yes.

Speaker 2 22:37
Yes. What at Fernwood? Yes.

Unknown Speaker 22:40
I mean, he was only a little boy. Yeah,

Speaker 1 22:42
yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because that was how important it Oberlin family?

Speaker 2 22:49
Who was that? Sam? Harris? Harris? So the he was a pupil. So that was I thought, naturally, you'd have the pupils. But you could have the pupils in their families as a as a category? Because Because families

Unknown Speaker 23:05
have the will.

Unknown Speaker 23:06
Exactly. Parent. Yeah. Could

Unknown Speaker 23:09
they spare the children exactly was a six year old little girl needed to watch the baby while mother went out to milk. Totally, his dad was working on CPR. So

Speaker 2 23:20
I think that that is it. And then what that takes us back into the community again, you know, in terms of there, so that's, that is 1234

Unknown Speaker 23:28
I've got three more. Seven.

Speaker 2 23:30
This is that doesn't matter. You know, at this point, we're brainstorming this is going to come in Yeah, these

Speaker 1 23:37
three others one is just the multicultural aspect, which is also part of the schools Yeah, I think we like the family occupation is also makes it it reflects on what was their, their background in lots of ways. They'll and it's their location also, because that you've got the Isabella point that is not only that the Hawaiians, but it's kind of you've got you've got the divide and the cranberry that is looked down upon by the Ganges lot. The rougher element, because they were things like logging and farming in more difficult areas. They weren't ranching, they were

Speaker 2 24:20
farming so farming and farming was so Oh, and ranching was was ranching is upper class, I went and I saw the lists of voters and some people call themselves ranchers. yourselves, gentleman, and some people call themselves farmers. I wonder what the class difference was. So you're saying there was a class difference? Yes. Oh,

Speaker 1 24:39
yeah. religious difference? Yes. And religious

Speaker 2 24:42
and religion? Yeah. Yes. So that's also socio economic status. Yes.

Unknown Speaker 24:49
Religion men that tended to marry Indian ladies were Catholic would be Oh, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 24:56
What why, what, what?

Unknown Speaker 24:57
What the Roman Catholic Church was Very busy was the Indians here in the early days on Vancouver? Oh, I see. So

Unknown Speaker 25:03
that would be contact and

Speaker 1 25:06
very, very, very exciting. I mean, you'll

Unknown Speaker 25:09
see buried in St. Mark's. Yes. And not St. Mark's St. Mary's until one of them marries an Indian and suddenly they're all Roman Catholic.

Speaker 1 25:20
Because I brought up by the mother. Yes, yes. Yes. That's the

Unknown Speaker 25:23
priestess right there. Yeah. Oh, this is so interesting.

Unknown Speaker 25:29
Yeah. Oh, so we had

Speaker 1 25:30
goes to all the different places the same one came to Blackburn as went up to Vesuvius and down to South

Unknown Speaker 25:38
St. Methodist. Oh, okay. So it was all my grandmother, very late, but he would go

Speaker 1 25:46
to the others as the very first guys as well. So hey, so my the end of your note, that was my mouth?

Speaker 2 25:55
I've got multicultural class and religion together. Yes. They're all Yes. Yep. Then

Speaker 1 25:59
there is pupils and families. Yes. Then there's the homeschooling one, which we can leave up. I'm happy to leave out the homeschooling up. Because they didn't have a school house. They didn't have a teacher teacher. No. But they are absolutely fascinating and remarkable to me, because they show me about the thing that I when I first came to Canada, I discovered I walked into library, I looked at the BC education app, because I was looking to see whether I was going to be a teacher, you know, I better learn a thing or two. And I discovered that England and Canada are poles apart in their belief about the family and children. And in England, the child is the responsibility of the state. And here the child is the responsibility of the family. This means that their education can be completely different. Because you can have homeschooling Yeah, but BC was also the birthplace of distance education. I was gonna say anywhere in the world. It would need to did it but

Speaker 2 26:59
only here was it but that's what speaks to the geography because you know, yeah, possibly has every child the responsibility of the state in a six year

Unknown Speaker 27:09
old walk three miles through Cougar Berry.

Speaker 1 27:16
And we've got all these logging camps that live entirely off floats off the edge of the land. Yeah, who needs who have a school house on floats to this day that should have been called? No, we didn't have we didn't have any of them. We didn't need it because Victoria was close enough for us. But lots of lives. are homeschooling teachers. were stunning. Our private schools and homeschooling they are stunning. In Yeah, it's

Unknown Speaker 27:46
like LC your mother did yesterday at an accent

Unknown Speaker 27:52
the British accent was too

Speaker 2 28:03
sounds like gamma limbs. It's not quite okay.

Unknown Speaker 28:08
Yes, it does. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 28:09
And Naomi we could get quite a bit of material on her grandmother. She went to me miss the school is still there. Yes. Great. Yeah. It's nice, isn't it? Anybody wants

Speaker 1 28:33
in the background you can know that the homeschooling and private schools of Saltspring Island have taught me a huge amount about about social background and yes like that Yeah. Oh. Because they the the reason why they're in a homeschool or in private school, and it's not because there isn't isn't a school around by no means

Speaker 2 28:54
is because because they don't want their children mix. We had some very bad boy. That's

Speaker 1 28:58
right. It's that we had some very bad homeschools we had some very short lived homeschooling. But we did have Leonard Tolson who's whose boys full of girls I love that he carried on calling it private school for boys employed one of the girls to be the teacher of the girls when complaints came in that he shouldn't be. And he's poor, sad daughter who who just went to school with her daddy the whole time through until they left for her to go to higher education when she had to become a woman for heaven's sake. Who was appalling that That letter

Unknown Speaker 29:39
was the woman the North and the best boys. Put the letter in the archives. Her daughter wrote

Speaker 1 29:50
and it's a woman up at mogul Margolin whose school. That's her is it? Yes.

Speaker 2 29:58
Did you say Mrs. Price? was LC price not school teacher? No, she

Speaker 1 30:03
was not allowed to go to normal school because she didn't know what it was on where Margolin is now and I'm her name is in my head.

Speaker 2 30:14
But she she we probably I think we should stop it. Yes public.

Speaker 1 30:20
Her students though, got top prize in all of Canada and possibly I mean in all of BC and possibly even Canada I have to see. Yes she was she was a real humdinger she

Unknown Speaker 30:32
had she had the beyond children too. Oh, did she? Oh, lovely. They got really good French

Speaker 1 30:41
young children went to why can't her name come to me? Holly pally, thank you, Mrs. Holly. And there's so many hilarious stories about her from children because they didn't know her quality. They just talked at that size and all sorts. And she slept late. They were I understand that myself.

Unknown Speaker 31:04
It's not Well, as I say I have a letter from her granddaughter talking to you.

Speaker 1 31:10
Okay, all right. And then the final one is just if you need this. There is the play, which is the word from historical

Unknown Speaker 31:21
play. Play children's. Play as in Oh, put it all.

Unknown Speaker 31:27
Oh, there is played.

Unknown Speaker 31:28
Play time is a nice cafeteria.

Unknown Speaker 31:31
Not only comes in really organized sport? Yes. As it was yes.

Speaker 1 31:43
Mrs. Abbott brought the grass hockey. Thank you. And the craft into didn't have the proper boots. He was wearing his mother's boots for hockey because at least they laced up past the ankle. Well, that's whether his mother knew that this was what her boots. It's not sure about any cost. It's telling me. That's it. You're saying plays Christmas Christmas.

Unknown Speaker 32:10
That's all part of the community uses the building. Oh, okay.

Unknown Speaker 32:13
It wasn't school concerts.

Unknown Speaker 32:16
Community. Yes. Also the Sunday School concert will be held?

Speaker 2 32:19
Yes. Oh, okay. That would be part of the community. Yes. Yes. Okay.

Speaker 1 32:25
Okay. But no, at one I was saying the play, I mean, the play that was called at 96. So we have videos of that play. And that play. There is a, I can't say it was it's a performance on video. And I just have to, I didn't find my copy of it to bring you to see for you to see what

Speaker 2 32:48
it's called. It's called 1890. So I wrote it. So let's

Unknown Speaker 32:52
say that was very good.

Speaker 1 32:56
And that was about how a school builds community and how the farms Institute builds community. But the two put very much together using Rosie Connolly as rather stretching the truth. She did run away she did have to be looked for. But I doubt that it was an 896. And for that purpose, but we'll see. I mean, I

Unknown Speaker 33:19
gotta leave shortly. But you got a fair number.

Speaker 2 33:21
This is absolutely wonderful. Yeah, yeah, no, no, this is exactly what we need at this stage. You're totally right. We should focus on this getting the actual money, then we can, you know, but and now we've got so what I'm going to do is I'll write this up, and I'll see you on email. at hotmail dot Yeah, well, I'm sure you're on the list. Yeah, so I'm going to write it up and write up the categories and I'll probably get something wrong, something's wrong. So don't and and then you can edit you can send back and say, No, I think it should be like this. That's fine, absolutely fine stage. At some point. We're gonna have to sort of say, Okay, we'll stick to this. Maybe

Unknown Speaker 33:58
somewhere we could have a subtitle on a chapter. Class pictures or school pictures, so certainly has a very early form photography. Yet Yad will be the only picture of lots of children. Yes. Only record. Yes, that's right. Yes, no, but nobody else had. Yes,

Unknown Speaker 34:25
that's the that's another thing. OSHA performance at the farmers Institute at the Heritage Day. Yes.

Unknown Speaker 34:33
That's not on film, though. Is it?

Unknown Speaker 34:38
Unfortunately, it's not but

Speaker 1 34:41
but I could make it I'll do it at Heritage Day again. Anyway. Whenever that is it's been moved as an inherited state in November or something dreadful, but so I couldn't do it again before

Unknown Speaker 34:53
but just the school is a visual gifts as well as

Speaker 2 34:59
it has to be there. issue, you know, has to be based on the visual because it's online, it's, you know, that's where

Speaker 1 35:04
to place video, that play is musical. So it's got songs that I have written and also that say how wonderful education is and say how and the agricultural exhibition that the children in the school learnt how to say agricultural exhibition, because they weren't falling over it. So we put it into the song. And they learnt it just splendidly. They woke up in that in that song, they walk over to get shelter, they know that they're

Unknown Speaker 35:36
happy, live by category. Yes, I

Speaker 2 35:40
have, but I'm gonna put them down. But I think I mean, obviously, we can't use the level. So so some of them did

Speaker 1 35:48
come together to meld together. This daily life in the one room school. Yes. So the visual element is that I have my, my lecture where I don't have to speak. I just answer questions. We'll just watch it. I wish I had a video kids playing with it anyway. I have to choose or do.

Unknown Speaker 36:10
We're doing something in the hall. No, there were no kids playing with it. No,

Speaker 1 36:13
it was the kids playing with it. That really brings it all to life. But anyway, what I have is a set of dolls that I've made myself record that show the ethnic background of the early settler schools. So I've got one who's got one representing all children who had a First Nations mother, one who is black, one who is Scottish with red hair and freckles, because there were an awful lot of Scottish people, especially in the Hudson's Bay Company. So Hudson's Bay Company, father, and Japanese and various things like that. Yes. Okay. Yes, yes. I don't

Speaker 2 36:53
want to the Japanese come. So what point did the school turns out to be Japanese?

Speaker 1 36:57
That's off that's in after the turn of the century. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 37:02
So they came with the with the sort of thing and that's the Chinese who came to build the railway, wasn't it? The Japanese were coming,

Speaker 1 37:10
coming from very, very early on, with children, not

Unknown Speaker 37:13
with children. There wasn't intended.

Unknown Speaker 37:17
Nor was very many

Unknown Speaker 37:21
Chinese women were allowed.

Speaker 2 37:23
That's right. They had the Chinese Exclusion Act as between this where they tried to

Unknown Speaker 37:28
bring in their wife until 1950s.

Unknown Speaker 37:31
And sometimes they couldn't afford him, either. It was our month craft

Speaker 1 37:37
and helped him to go back in early again, when his first wife died. Find another mother for his son. Actually, he couldn't bring her over whatever crops instead.

Unknown Speaker 37:50
We've certainly had an East Indian population that were seasonal. They Oh, well, no, they did a lot of the blasting at the zoo. They

Unknown Speaker 38:06
did they? Did they attend the school?

Unknown Speaker 38:08
Is they had children. They went to

Unknown Speaker 38:11
school. So So I should look at the quarry. And

Unknown Speaker 38:16
it was the quarry on high Nicki's property. No, I'm not sure. Certainly Ruth told me about it. You still see where this drop is Kumari, because it was really easy. I think it was for there might be a history of the Inner Harbor, Victoria. Yes. It was stone for creating that. Barber.

Speaker 1 38:43
That would be in Ruth's book, probably Roussanne. Well, yeah,

Unknown Speaker 38:49
of course, we should just have a lot of research to on women's work. One woman would be selling a dozen eggs, so that women had a little money they could put away in case the child was sick or something. And another woman would make socks for a bachelor man who needed saw. Yes, yes. Yes. She did quite a lot. That was her original ideas for research. So I was through to see what it might be on her in her book. No,

Unknown Speaker 39:21
no. And I'm thinking

Speaker 2 39:22
isn't she the one who wrote the the Yeah, I guess I did find some stuff on John Craven Jones in there. Yes, it was.

Unknown Speaker 39:31
She's probably got a whole lot more interesting stuff. Yeah, yeah. That wasn't part of her

Speaker 2 39:37
book. But that's online in her talk then.

Unknown Speaker 39:41
No, she introduced the interview. She seemed to have a lot about as I saw her

Unknown Speaker 39:48
name on I haven't listened to anything that you've gone to ground, either one or the other. No. Mark Simon's No. Another name. Well, Mark Simon's was communities Center. She might be an interesting person to talk to. Her husband is and art art Simon's okay. But she was doing interviews as hidden community services

Unknown Speaker 40:26
so much. Yes.

Speaker 1 40:28
So these what the dolls do or what I've got there, they're only about this Hi. So I can pack everything in.

Unknown Speaker 40:40
Okay. nervousness about breaking my

Unknown Speaker 40:46
Well, thank you. Thank you. Thank

Speaker 2 40:48
you so much. That's absolutely wonderful exactly what we need at this point.

Speaker 1 40:54
Thanks. Bye bye, Sue. So I have it's their daily life in one room

Speaker 2 41:01
school. Yes. So I wasn't quite clear why this was relevant to the daily life. And the one it's visual

Speaker 1 41:06
for that. Because what I have is what the museum doesn't have. It's small, but not tiny. So I've got the dolls. I've got John Craven Jones as the teacher I made him. And oh, I see. So they have the school desk. I've got always the model. It's a model of school room. Okay. So what I have is school desks of various eras. Yeah, I have a little since I have school lunches of various eras. I have some games of various eras, yes. But above all, what the kids get really. And I have a collection of all the writing implements and what they wrote on and in good. Yeah, I have a collection of those of various eras. But what the kids are most fascinated by and what they don't experience these days are the chores before, at and after school. So I've got all the animals that they have to feed. I've got cows and chickens with eggs, and I've got lots and lots of animals, goats and sheep and pigs and the whole lot. And I also have the predators, I have a an eagle because they used to come and snatch away various creatures, and I have a raccoon. And it only those two that I have, in my show, I think those are the only two predators that I have in my show, because I don't have the very early days when there were the bears. And there were the Cougars, the Cougars, and I don't have I don't have the Cuca only had the baby bear because otherwise he'd be too big. I have a cow which is quite big enough because they're all in scale and obsessive about correct scale. And so I have the choice for school which are also trimming the lamps after the night. So I have the lamps i and and I can do my usual sort of demonstration of going through this and it can be videotaped, or it can just be audio No, I wouldn't, I don't have to feature I can can just wave the camera through all of this. And then after school I could focus on collecting food for the evening meal. So I've got berry baskets, fishing rods and fishing reels and the fish inside them. And the kids are fascinated by those things in an at school, there's the dustpan and the brush and the broom. There is the dust the Blackboard wiper clean and then things and there are the inkwells to fill and all that sort of stuff. I've got little 1/3 scale models of all that stuff. And surely it should be

Unknown Speaker 43:46
used Oh yeah. Yeah, no, no,

Speaker 1 43:48
we've got so the way to dive in in the way yes

Speaker 1 43:56
time Okay, okay this chapter

Speaker 2 44:01
because because it's you've got so much information about it little yes have you got all the props you know what? We could do it because of interspersed the the pictures with the either text or audio? Yes.

Speaker 1 44:13
Have you thought about it? Yeah. So that one can wander can be it want to keep that chapter in? Yes.

Speaker 2 44:18
Oh, I think I think it's a wonderful chapter anyway. I you know, I did but whatever but it sounds like maybe I

Unknown Speaker 44:25
could make a suggestion to adjourn the meeting or what were they? He and

Speaker 2 44:35
I do have a lunch guest do you do What time is your lunch guests coming on? The nourish, nourish. Okay, so you show you want us over there? Because we might

Speaker 1 44:50
I'm glad you've got this because I've been hunting for it. This is what I first got into the archives for Mary presented me with this and told me that it had inaccuracies in it, would I please rewrite it do the research, because I told her I was a trained researcher said, if you could do the research, we've been told by hearsay, that this is not necessarily accurate. And we do want to be accurate. And I could not believe how inaccurate it is. But we can't say anything about that, because his children are still alive, and he makes to be alive. But I also know the story of why he couldn't be bothered to do it. He school district decided that he was a very good teacher, and he wanted to take him out of the classroom. But he had a contract, so they had to carry on paying him. But it was important for them to take that classroom. He was a dad wasn't bad man, he was just not good enough. So they took them out of the classroom gave him this to research the whole of the rest of the year. So I can imagine being told you can't teach, you've got to go and do boring things like go to the archives, and whisper and only use pencil and find out all this boring, boring stuff, because it is unbelievably boring stuff. And I'm so grateful to him for having done it all. Because all I have to do is check which of these are male and which of these are female, because he has not distinguished between the two. Therefore made the assumption that they're male when they're female. Got his dates, right. And he's got the spellings wrong. No, he states his dates around his family and his his generals around. And so it's one thing to go through and find and he misunderstands exactly the same way that the whole of Saltspring was understood, including Ivan mo it the whole issue of Ganges school because in Victoria that was called again to the school, but it's the divide. It's nowhere near Ganges in our minds today. It had nothing to do with Ganges in our minds today that the Ganges school district went from Central all the way down to Burgoyne back. So that's why it was called the Ganges district in Victoria. The kids who went to the divided school didn't call it ganking school. So if you can't get