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371_Marshall-Heinekey_Toastmasters-Speech_2013.mp3
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Bucha Okay, so thank you. Thank you. And our speaker for this time, we're having a lady anthropologist. And
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really, middle one.
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good cost to the women's university. So come and talk to us. I think she should be pretty good.
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That's two weeks time and then today we're fortunate. We're having Marsh I knew he was going to be talking about Toastmasters. Marcia has been for many years five years here on membership membership for Saltspring
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a rousing presentation on Toastmasters. Okay, very right hand. This is a very important time to talk about Toastmasters because February is Toastmasters month, in the province of British Columbia along with several many major cities and communities have dedicated February as postmaster month. And as a Toastmaster were obligated to get out into the community and talk about it. So I was so thankful devas asked me, because I didn't know where I was gonna go. So what I wanted to do today
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Toastmasters is an organization that builds leaders. And what I want to do is go through three facets of it.
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First of all, I want to disclose, dispose of some myths. I want to talk about the history. What it is, and I want to give you at the end a few personal stories of how Toastmasters changed my life. I've been a member of Toastmasters for 27 years continuously. And I've held almost every position there is locally and for the province. First of all, what is Toastmasters? That's one of the first ones, the history of Toastmasters. And my experience. So what is Toastmasters? I have heard so many jokes. And we sit around make toast, give talks. I've even said work. We're a cult. secret handshake. And we do a whole bunch of we do a lot of hand shaking, but it's nothing secret about us. It's an educational program. And that's one thing that people don't really understand it. It's out there as a regular educational program itself paced, is peer support. It is experiential, and outcome based, like any other educational program is focused on leadership skills through the development of communications, and it's credentials and certificates awarded and I'll go through that a little bit. But you never Graduating from Toastmasters. As soon as you've got the highest credential, you can get a Toastmaster, you start all over again. I've actually got to keep up there about three, nine times. So just think of your university program takes you four years to go through it. And as soon as soon as you get to the end, you started all over again. But if you think what would you have worked the second time through which professors to miss? Which assignments you could get away with not doing? But you'd probably come out a far better individual, but obviously, we don't do that. So how does it work? It's a meeting format, just like any other group. It has three distinct activities. There's the format of setting up the meeting. There's prepared speeches that people work on and then present. There's ad hoc speeches, what we call Table Topics, where you're put on the spot, you're talked for two minutes. And there's evaluation. The roles. Every meeting has a role of people. This is where the leadership comes up. There's one Toastmaster, there's a joke master. There's a table topics master. There's a quiz master, who's the evaluator there's a timer. All of these roles are filled differently every week. And each one has a specific outcome. And it's evaluated. The organizational roles are the president of the club, vice presidents of the club, the Treasurer, the Secretary, has President sergeant of arms, all the normal things you would find in any other meeting. And so Toastmasters theoretically, going through this could go into any situation run a meeting effectively. And it's very obvious when a Toastmaster is the chair of any meeting, there are training roles, you're assigned from periodic periodically to give educational conferences at your own club in the community. And Toastmasters has supporting materials to do that. There are project lots of projects is over 50 projects of which 40 are mandatory. And in addition to that, there's a whole series of projects, like getting new people to join Toastmasters, how to run certain, for example, television, how to meet the public dinner crises, all of these types of formats, and everyone come with manuals, which we'll get into. And there's contests, there's four contests a year, that competition is highly competitive. The one in the fall is a humorous contest is probably the best entertainment value. Anybody could have to go. I don't participate in contests. But I just love to go to those 10 best people in the province, you get them up there. And it's a blast. People that win at the division level, or the district level, go on and keep going on to become like the Super Bowl, they ended up raising a trophy as the best speaker in the world. So every year somebody wins that title. How many people in this room have actually been a member of Toastmasters at one point in their life? So you've part of the 4.5 million Toastmasters that have experienced the program. I'll get into the data. Since we have some engineers here later.
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meeting focused on communications. The belief is that good effective communications is a founding block of leadership. And so it is practiced with a goal of leadership. Most people think we just go there just to speak, speak with a purpose. And the goal is to master leadership skills. Listening. How many times I've been to a meeting that nobody shuts up, and nobody listens. It's not very effective. Listening is an incredible skill. And for most of us that are a little bit extroverted, it's very difficult. trying everything thing is time speeches are usually five to seven minutes, there are a few longer ones and Table Topics is two minutes. And it ends at that time doesn't one. So your internal clock start getting programmed for those times. So when you get up to speak, you know, in a in a club setting or in a public setting, don't over two minutes and built into your DNA after a while, as a lecturer. I was programmed for 50 minutes. And it was a hard hard lesson for me to get up and talk on a fairly serious subject for less than 50 minutes. Evaluation. How many here know Arthur black? Everybody? Are the blacks a member of our club. And when he walked into joining, I want to know, here's it gives 120 speeches a year. He's extremely funny, articulate, and asked him, What can we offer you. And he says the evaluation. He says I walk into a room, I give a speech, I get a standing ovation, it's all free, I give the same speech at another crowd. And everybody just can't wait to get out the door. And I want to know what it is. And I listened to him for a couple times. And there was a couple of things we could, um, his mentor, believe it or not, the biggest challenge I've ever undertaken in my life is to mentor Arthur black. But it's so rewarding experience. And he's just an incredible guy and a very active member of the club. And of course, we have fun. You'll never walk out of a Toastmasters meeting without killing yourself laughing at some point, enjoying the people that you've worked with and seeing people achieve their goals. This is a tract that the educational program follows. Just like any university type program, you start as a new member. You start off doing speeches because what everybody is there for. But this is the leadership component. And you can get one credential without doing something in the leadership as well as something in the in the communication area. And you move along silver, gold. And once you've completed this track, and this track, you're a DTM distinguished Toastmaster, which is graduation you might say myself, two weeks from now, I will receive the CTO 27 years that's not the normal. Most people do it in oh, five years. The problem is is getting this leadership track finished. And it has to be some major program. I was going to take the water board almost as a project but it wasn't challenging enough. So I took on something quite a bit different. I've already started to reflect done this credential twice and now moving into these other ones so I'm starting with second one alone.
Unknown Speaker 13:29
So the meeting focus on this one Toastmasters International its head offices in California. Every Toastmaster pays $72 A year into Toastmasters International, extensive online publications, DVDs, job aids manuals, and references, and I think are going to be tethered here. These is this is a typical manual. This one happens to be there's five projects in here. And this is an interpretive reading. As for the liberal arts people. Public relations, which is one of our more popular ones, fine projects, they're the examples they give is you're asked to speak on the XL, these crisis to the media. So that's the level of the projects that will be done in areas you'd have to research that and see how see what was done, how they botched it, and how you would have done it differently. There's television, there's radio. And then there's some entertainer with humorous speeches, all different manuals, five projects for each one going through so you can see where the audience gets a kick out of all these programs. This This is another set. This is all for youth. And we're trying to start a youth program on Saltspring. This will be mainly in the high school, getting students involved with, with a program where they can go on after graduation, we'll talk more about that later, is manuals on their particular role. So if you're vice president education, there's a manual, and there's a online help there CDs that go with all of this stuff. This is the most difficult one to get the one I'm working on high performance leadership. It's just one project there. And I've been working on it for a year and a half. And then, as any good corporate organization, they have fundraisers. They sell a lot of Toastmaster Mobilia hundreds of millions of dollars worth every month at Toastmasters that Toastmaster magazine comes out, which has tips these are one to two page articles. You can read it in the washroom at any time. And you can go through all the fuel magazine quickly and there's always some helpful situation in there.
Unknown Speaker 16:29
The issuing of credentials is done by Toastmasters International. So once you finish that particular project, you then ship all the documentation down to TI they go through and they verify it. Sometimes they phone a couple of evaluators to see if they actually evaluated the program. And the issue the credential the higher up they get, the more stringent they are looking after the credit speaker program there's only 65 credited speakers in the world. Three weeks ago, I happened to meet one of them she was talking in an IMO. And when I saw her it's a very rigid program. Like you're young and you want to make money public speaking, that would be worthwhile. They said earlier, there's 4.5 million of us have taken spirits Toastmasters since 1932. So let's How did this all start? Well, it started in 1909 with Ralph's melee. Ralph was just graduated as a teacher. And he got a job with the YMCA. And he was the educational director. And he noticed that there was youth in there that just didn't seem to know where they were going. So he started a program ad hoc to try and get them to public speak. But that would be a good tool and getting a job. The problem was that as he moved around, to different YMCAs, as he went up the corporate ladder, the club that he started, or the organization that he started at, one would collapse. And, and he had started another one, and then he moved on to collapse and collapse. So he finally had a position in California, Illinois, in 1990, and he moved there and he noticed that a lot of the returning servicemen were dead handed, they were shell shocked from the war. If they'd been Canadians, they would have had four years of it, but the Americans only got one year of it. But there was still shell shocked. And they needed us he thought they needed something so they could get back into the community. So we started a group. He had about 30 clubs working in California. So he formed formation of these clubs into some sort of loose organization that ran through the YMCA. In 1928, he developed the educational manuals, these are the forerunners of what I just showed you. In 1937, centralize the structure. So there was Toastmasters. And then they responded to the club's directly. In 1932, Victoria became the first outside of the USA charter club. And that was a dilemma for Toastmasters International because you had to be an American and all those things had to change their rules, and they formed Toastmasters International. So it was Canada that actually spearheaded that in 1973. They opened their doors to women. I wouldn't go there So this so that was a brief history as they say everything's history is now a large organization and the structure of Toastmasters International worldwide and in DC, members, there's currently 280,000 members 5600 and BC. BC is the third largest district of Toastmasters clubs, there's 13,500 clubs, and there's 292 in BC, in areas is approximately 330 300. Areas. I'll get into what each of these already. There's a 50 BC divisions. There's Canada BC have districts. There's 96 in the world and one in BC, and there are 14 regions worldwide. And there's 160 16 countries that have Toastmaster charters all over the world, China being the biggest grower of this particular phenomenon. So the way it works is everything is focused on the member. Then the club's organized, remember, the military in their areas, which are usually four to five clubs in an area. There's a governor that looks after those, and there's a division and there's somewhere between one I'm in that right currently is got 21 clubs. Some of them are up to about 50 clubs. There's actually one building in California that has a division. So there's, there's 10 floors. Each floor is an area. And there's enough clubs on each floor to support that. And then all within one building.
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So why did I get committed into Toastmasters? Well, it's kind of a funny story. First of all, I was running for a national president of an act of a national organization. And I had to give speeches to get to that position. This was about 1981. And I went into the washroom. And I heard these two people that I've used talking outside the door. And they were saying, Well, who are you going to vote for? He said, Well, I like to vote for this March, I think you said yeah, I'd like to vote for him, too. I was feeling pretty good. They're just too bad, you can't speak.
Unknown Speaker 22:54
And, you know, I was teaching about kind of a low moment, but I had to stay in Cuba.
Unknown Speaker 23:02
Couldn't do a bust out of there. So I wanted to actually, I'm glad they didn't share their thoughts with us anymore. I came back and I got one of my TAs to mount a video camera in my classroom. And I started monitoring myself, oh my god, you know, I kept pulling on my years, I had a whole bunch of personal things. And I noticed that a lot of one on sentences I had heard a strategy is you don't finish the sentence you make the students sort of think where you're going. Not a good strategy. So I started looking at these videos and trying to improve over the years. So later, I went to my dentist. And I'm opening my mouth open. And he says, Mr. Hi, Nikki, I hear to see by your chart that you've changed professions. You know, so you said you didn't say anything. He's digging around in there, doing a little bit of gum gardening and whatnot. And he says, you make your living with your mouth, don't you? Well, you know, how can I say yeah, needle in the nose or something? So he said, Well, there's a Toastmasters club, I think that would help you. And I thought this is something that's you can look in your mouth
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to do so in order to the Institute, and there was a club trying to form so I enjoyed it. I got involved and it's mainly for my benefit. I went through the program was a student run club. I was the only faculty member in there. And I didn't find that too unusual. And somebody started to look at it. And I was teaching engineering and none of my students it was an opportunity to see it. Students from a different part of the campus. There are many marketers, entrepreneurs, business people, gungho extroverted souls. And here's my engineering students who are really well trained in demand. And one of them came into my office one day to use the telephone to password job or phone somebody. And he let it ring. And he quickly hung up in answer. So we don't know that it ring one or two times, when he wasn't there. This kid was so petrified of phoning. for a job interview, which would enhance his life, at least his parents life, he would get a job. So it got me thinking, say, look, we got to do something for your students. So I sort of abandoned my goals with Toastmasters and started saying, Okay, I'm gonna get these engineering students in, you have a lot of power in the classroom, I couldn't believe they said, I think it would do you all a lot of good. If you join Toastmasters, and 60 students in the class, 40 of them joined that day. When I stopped teaching, I noticed that they didn't go running to Toastmasters, I still kept up with Toastmasters, we're back to the marketing and all the entrepreneurs students have to. But the difference I saw, the next thing I did was we have to practice in the classroom because the communications departments wouldn't follow through with this, you know, they had structured speeches that they would sort of parent in front of the class, but that was not what I was looking for. So we started putting in projects. Today, these projects, have scholarships are about $20,000, students compete. And the US took the Toastmasters skills, but in order not, you're trained, they have 30 hours of class time to care for these projects. And so they go out into the industry, they get a company, an engineering company to sponsor. So that's a useful skill. They then set up of a project format, which is what engineers do. And then they work through that. And they have a faculty sponsor, as well as industry sponsor, 9% of the students go to work for that company. They're evaluated by the communications department. So you get a credit for that. There, they get a credit for the project for the engineering, the when they are doing the final presentation, their sponsor, usually a few of their colleagues are in there evaluating and they're out there, making these presentations, and then we hold an evening. And they open up to the public. And they all they don't know who's won yet. But they're all competing. So you see them interacting with the public screening, the project, the benefits, things like that. So I really feel good about that. And also all the engineering faculty. So you see it do that now. So the benefits I've seen through this initiating these particular programs are so benefit to these individuals is unbelievable. So what about leadership? Saltspring needs leaders. BC needs leaders. Canada needs leaders, the world needs leaders. We don't have individuals stepping to the plate with the skills lots of people will volunteer. But do they actually have the skill sets? And where are they going to get that skill set? So usually get it from the group that riff? So if they don't exist within the group, how are they going to be able to get them to each other? So I say to you, people are probably not likely to join Toastmasters, but your sphere of influence within the community within various family groups, things like places like that. You can influence individuals and say, hey, look, you're starting out in your career. postmasters might be one of the advantages that would give you an advantage. Within the community, we're going through some rough times in the world. We need people that can develop leadership skills and steer the ship and we needed in our volunteer organizations we needed within our governments, various departments, or businesses, everything else As I was saying to Bob earlier that when the recession hit 2008 2009, many corporate companies dropped their training division. Some of the smart ones invited Toastmasters come in as a corporate sponsor, they paid the shop, and their people can get these particular skills that would help them. And it's a lot lower costs than they could by hiring their various corporate trainers. And eventually, these people would become their corporate trainers. So they need to be building an insight division within your corporation. And so corporate membership has been growing, whereas the regular Toastmaster clubs have kind of become static these days has been growing at a fairly fast rate, we have to divide our division this year, we're going to end up with two divisions, RB two districts within the province. And that will make it a roughly 150 clubs per district, it means bank round has to divide into two divisions. That means more opportunity within BC for people to really reach the top of Toastmasters to really hone their leadership skills. There's a few trends that I've seen, first of all, more women are joining us now. And mainly these women are women in their 40s and 50s, who have decided to move made decided to develop an entrepreneurial business. And they just don't quite know how to get some of the attributes that they need to do it. So we have our club, this predominantly people from that age group and demographic, and you really see progress with them. They come in nervous, not really knowing how to put a speech together. And you see them six months later, really handling and taking on leadership roles, going to training outside of these Saltspring to other training venues. And moving again. So I think that's the trend that we're we're seeing. And what's the thing that brings close people to toastmasters in the beginning, it's weddings. I don't know how many times we had somebody, especially males coming and saying, I have to be the speaker or the best man. And I need I quickly figured they can come for one night. My son was one of that one of you came to me and he says, Rob's getting married. And he's asked me to be the best man. So I have to turn it down. And I said, Why would you turn it down? So I've got to give a speech. They said, Look at this guy is your best friend. This is a big deal for him to get married. And he wants you at his side. And you're turning it down because you can't give a five minute or three minute speech. I said here's the challenge. His first next question was where are you right? Me? What were you when you prepare what you would like to do? And you practice on Bing. And I'll tell you how it goes. Anyway, gave that speech. I think he had a couple of glasses of wine before the speech. And he phoned me. And he was so excited the feeling of actually accomplishment of something that he thought he couldn't do, then I think that's where Toastmasters come in and gives you that confidence to be able to speak. And when you say to people listen to hope you found this informative.
Unknown Speaker 34:06
Any questions? Yes. You tend to evaluate public speakers when you're listening to them, such as in politics when running for election, fact that
Unknown Speaker 34:17
one of the one of the questions that came to my students who didn't like evaluation, I didn't mind being evaluated. They didn't mind being evaluated. They just didn't feel comfortable because it's anybody and how can I kind of say something negative. So I said, here's a way you can practice two things. First of all, watch the news at night and try to evaluate Peter Mansbridge or somebody like that. So think Hi, try and see how this speech is structured. Do you really believe the message or not? The second thing is evaluate your professors. Now this wasn't very popular amongst my colleagues. But I think that's the key thing. Look it first of all, they were more attentive in class tickets and had another focus. And they'd come back to me and they say, hey, I can see. I said, so. Are you going to tell them about it? You know, I'm not going to tell them about it. I said, Well, you'd have a chance to do that, again, every instructor at the end of the term, why don't you just put in a nice way, a couple of things that might be beneficial. Think of the guys coming behind you. So I think that question, the, the piece that's kind of negative for me is I spent too much time analyzing the speech unconsciously. Because when you do an evaluation of a speech, content is not important. It's the structure and everything else like that. But I sure get ticked off from time to time when I see, especially the radio is easier on radio. If you see somebody's phone, and they got something, they want to say they only have so many seconds to say it and you have no clue what they were trying to answer, or say. So to get a proper answer. Brian,
Unknown Speaker 36:09
I'm involved in Florida.
Unknown Speaker 36:10
Right.
Unknown Speaker 36:12
Here, we're saying that as I was president naturally cynical, you said there's about 280,000 members
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worldwide.
Unknown Speaker 36:26
And suddenly, we always hear that some folk between 15 and $20 million go into the membership. Where does the I got the feeling when I was there that this was a for profit? Organization? Where does the money go? Do you know what
Unknown Speaker 36:42
they changed when they raised the fees they used to be peanuts before was you had to give other the club had to pay for the division had to pay for the district you had to pay put some sort of $1 for the area $2. So what they did was they put all the money into Toastmasters and then got the districts to compete. So they compete on members, certain criteria, set a bunch of goals. And when they meet that they get money back to do more stuff. So it's a lot easier for us because we just send the money down there. And then we're accountable at the district level. To see what that money comes back. I do like me because the jump was 50% for that went from the old system to the new system. And they did a whole branding exercise, they changed all the batteries and changed all the stuff and changed the computer. So yeah, I thought it was rich. Because the club doesn't get anywhere here. We are we are taught Yes $30 A year for for us to get ramped up some travel whatever the case is,
Unknown Speaker 38:03
which is you mentioned the memorabilia, the manuals, manuals we got were excellent. I still have mine. They're excellent meant, but everything costs money. Yeah. And I kept seeing this cash flow in California, and then begin to think this is like belonging to a big church.
Unknown Speaker 38:26
That's where the cultural market the call thing comes to be. I think that it's on the high side. I don't think anybody's getting rich on it.
Unknown Speaker 38:38
There's, it's quite cheap when you realize what you can get. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 38:41
and the manuals Nova under CDs, and there's a lot more free stuff on mine. As a member you can go and download a bunch of free stuff. But the release today to put that graph on there. I can't I couldn't print it from the do a spree screen down. Take a copy of that. Cut it out, put it on my scanner scan and put it into Dropbox and get it onto my thing cuz my thought for sure they would have that as a free stuff in his room here. Why don't we put up a nice fancy schematic of how the thing goes, get really protective and I got my fingers slapped because I had a fellow in Burnaby that could make the trophies and a lot cheaper than what they could and I thought ethically I should just ask them for permission. idea. I got a letter back say season disorder
Unknown Speaker 39:44
Yeah, thanks. Thanks, Marshall. It's good. I know I know why you look at me all the time in Historical Society meetings and I'm cheering you you're sitting
Unknown Speaker 39:55
on all due respect to you above you're one of the chairs I've ever worked with. But that's because
Unknown Speaker 40:00
the meetings are short. But two questions one following on Brian's question do have people paid in Toastmasters? Or are there some people in the chain and are paid salaries? Not an executive director or in your head office or office? There's
Unknown Speaker 40:16
paid staff? Yeah. What would they be paid? You know, having a clue? No. Okay. I have never been to an international No, no.
Unknown Speaker 40:25
So well, I just wonder because, you know, I always said, like, right and suspiciously with money flows out of the sails, because I
Unknown Speaker 40:32
would say most of it goes to travel, for example, if you're an international, you're competing internationally as a speech, and you come from a country or a club that just doesn't have the money, they'll pay for you to go there. And, you know, they always hold the they were going to hold a convention in Australia. And the membership balked at them. And I came back to, to number two North America. It's it's only once has it been held in Canada.
Unknown Speaker 41:04
Second question is, could you name four or five people who are famous in the world that have gone through Toastmasters like George W. Bush or somebody like that?
Unknown Speaker 41:17
Like to say Barack Obama, but no. I guess where I see it is of any Do any of you remember Tim shields, the RCMP fellow that was on television all the time to explain things? He's still out there? Yes. But he's not as profiled as he is. He was one of my students. And he was an engineering and he was a very good suit. And he had his own company. And when he graduated, he just wanted to run the small irrigation company. And one youth was always in Tokyo never seen a kid who was so adamant about getting everything he could when he came to school, because he was probably paying for it all. And the shock of my length is I'm watching the news. One day, I'd lost track of him. And I see him on there. And I what I was really impressed with the wait and see the message. You trusted this guy. He's one of the few RCMP recently that actually told you what he could, without violating any other rules and Senate very distinctly, and he started the bait program. And he was involved with a whole bunch of other good stuff. So a couple years ago, I nominated him for an alumni award distinguished. And he had just received his inspector credential. So he went from a constable to an inspector in 12 years. And at that evening, he had to give a speech, and I knew it was going to be good. And he said, if I hadn't had Toastmasters, and I'll never be where it was today. For the new engineers, he also said another thing he said, All I had was a BCIT diploma at that time. And I was in Ottawa for an interview when they were wondering what I had done academically to qualify to be an inspector. And you said, Well, I went to BCIT. They said, what courses did you take? He said, things like stress analysis, okay? That's if you've been through stress analysis, you can you can handle being an inspector so
Unknown Speaker 43:39
you ever had to elaborate?
Unknown Speaker 43:45
So that's, in my view is famous, but probably not your thing. But there's an awful lot of people have traveled to make their living from speaking, you know.
Speaker 1 44:03
Thanks, Dennis. We're all aware of the rise of social media and younger people using that to establish relationships and communicate, has this had any impact, plus or minus on the level of interest and the level of enrollment and the level of membership in Toastmasters?
Unknown Speaker 44:22
No, we're on Facebook. Most of our clubs are on Facebook, all clubs have a website. The there's manuals coming out on social media. And I had when I was in Nanaimo two, three weeks ago, I went to a session on social media. You're asking me a very funny time to just have a major blow up with our website people. Because I sent out an e blast, whatever, 40 740 14 people with a 30% success rate, which has ticked me off And I didn't get the bus back to me and my email hasn't changed. It's there for forever. So you kind of have a little issue with that right now. But we're, they're moving. A few years ago, they never had anything to do with television or radio or anything. And now there's manuals on that. And I noticed those are the popular ones. And a lot of people even in their huge are using social media and that sort of thing. So it's coming. Thank you.
Unknown Speaker 45:37
Thanks. So my wife got involved with Toastmasters for several years in North Vancouver a few years ago. And I would say that overall it was it was a great experience and a great development great developmental period for her. However, at the time, most of us were wondering if there was a 12 step recovery program just joking
Unknown Speaker 46:09
when you go to a convention, I never went to a convention until five years ago was the first one time for and I went there and gave a presentation. And now I have missed one since but if you think that it's called form that's if you walk in people are shaking your hands. You don't even know them. There's all kinds of ribbons on them and name plates and stuff like that and there's always somebody running for something. So if some position I hold the record in in Toastmasters important for a division contest and having a tie I hadn't you know, my entire life and all the positions by voting. I've never I've lost one but never tie and they had to go back and have another vote. You had to make it even you had to go and give another speech. So that was that was nerve racking I'll tell you anyway, you ran out to the right did you win after I did
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Are
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you good good
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I have a job for you. Oh yeah. Do you need a job?
Speaker 1 47:48
No I don't doing anything important these days got lots of things
Unknown Speaker 47:53
yeah doing any community
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anywhere a job and you don't even have to make a decision six months away
Unknown Speaker 48:22
solely in the office two hours a month every other building
Unknown Speaker 48:37
was even on the green ones for hours. And we don't even we don't meet in July and August. So it's that's what 20 hours a year. Yes. Good
Speaker 1 48:48
two hours a month. That means what how many hours you're wearing? No, no, no.