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Pat Krebs

interviewed by Frank Neumann and Sue Mouat, 2009

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Date 2009
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duration 63 min.

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Outline

    Childhood memories and illnesses.
  • Speaker 1 shares stories of their childhood and family history, including their mother and aunt visiting Alberta and Speaker 3's dog causing trouble.
  • Speaker 1 recounts their experience in the hospital with their father, including being the only patient on the second floor and receiving treatment from a nurse named Mrs. Kalman.
    Memories and stories from the past.
  • Myers, a retired doctor, is remembered by a speaker for his kindness and medical expertise.
  • Speaker 1 reminisces about childhood memories of a school teacher named Bishop Wilson.
  • Bishop Ralston and Mrs. Mike Williams were kind to the speaker at a dinner, despite the speaker's initial surprise.
    Life experiences and family history.
  • The speaker reflects on their experiences in art school, including their naivety and the people they met.
  • Stan Mitchell introduces himself and his family to the speaker, who becomes interested in jazz music.
  • The group discusses their experiences with gangs in Vancouver and the impact they had on their lives.
    Memories of growing up on an island.
  • Speaker 1 recounts a blind date that went awry, revealing their father's desire for them to get married.
  • Bill Swanson and Ron reminisce about the past, including a pond and a school board member named John Sturdy.
    Personal stories and local history.
  • Speaker 1 shares stories of a man named Brian who had a creek on his property and was religious, and Speaker 5 mentions Mike Leone being seasonal.
  • Speaker 1 shares stories of their life in a small town, including a man named Rajesh who was born there and later became a "remittance man.
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  • Speaker 1 recounts a childhood memory of meeting Fred Rogers and asking for a 22 rifle for Christmas.
    Memories of growing up in Scarborough, BC.
  • Speaker 3 recounts a story about a Frigidaire salesman and a customer's frozen fridge.
  • Speaker 1 recounts a story of confusion and mistrust involving Frank Downey and Corey.
  • Speaker 1 reminisces about childhood memories of living near Scarborough, Ontario, and recounts stories of local residents and events.
    Family history and personal experiences during WWII.
  • John and Mary escaped from a Russian concentration camp and made their way to England, where John joined the RAF and became a pilot.
  • Johnny's older brother was lost in the Russian maze and never found, while his mother and father ended up in different branches of the British Army.
  • John's father, Karpinski, was a strict man who ran a community on Saltspring Island.
  • Diana, a British Air star, was in charge of the pigs, while John's mother, Molly Lacey, looked after the chickens.
    A family's history and a mysterious old car found in a garage.
  • Keller Wilson drove a truck into a septic tank in Kelowna, while Carlos discussed health and beauty in Sweden and England.
  • Speaker 1 discusses family history and personal experiences with others on the island.
  • Ernie discovers an antique car in a long-abandoned garage, leading to a surprise discovery about the house's history.
    Local history and personal stories.
  • Speaker 1 recounts a story about a man named Ted who was a British Israelite and had a unique diet consisting only of apples and walnuts.
  • Speaker 3 shares a memory of a man named Reuben who was a skipper and had a pot of tea and an apple for lunch.
  • Unknown speaker reminisces about John Brown, with mentions of hospital bills and family history.
  • Charlie's memory and attention to detail impress his friends and family.

Unknown Speaker 0:00
Okay. Just getting back to you and your childhood. Did you ever spend any time after being born? Of course, Lady mento Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 0:12
I was in high school. It's really a funny story, don't you remember? You know, Dr. Myers

Unknown Speaker 0:18
Myers. I knew him well.

Unknown Speaker 0:21
delivered three of my kids,

Unknown Speaker 0:23
my mother and my aunt. My mother's people were from Alberta. And she had two great uncles who lived out on the Alberta prairie. And they lived in a mud house. They never married these two bachelor uncles brothers. And then summertime they lived in one end to the house and wintertime they move to the other end doing all that separating all these dummy sites into a career. I think they were Mormons. They had a caravan which they drove to Salt Lake in 1937 with a horse. And all I knew it was him every Christmas, I'd get a religious pamphlet from

Unknown Speaker 1:04
my old boy just want to kill me. So

Unknown Speaker 1:07
my mother and my aunt, they went back there and they actually stayed a couple of months in Calgary, and I got the flu. And I wouldn't look after myself. I was in grade 10 grade 11 My dad got really ticked off so he phoned Meyers the phone Dr. Meyers up and he said I want you to go Pat into the hospitals. Like after himself. So Meyers came up. And I ended up on the second floor. I was the only patient up on the second floor. This was on a Saturday.

Unknown Speaker 1:46
And Mrs. Kelemen night nurse she would never tell you that's a penicillin just come through.

Unknown Speaker 1:55
First thing I knew about three o'clock in the morning, I slept like this. This needle went into my rear hand was Mrs. Kalman somebody told me after she'd been an Army nurse and we've kind of no nonsense and Beverly Smith was a nursing too. So I went in on a Saturday, Sunday morning during that really Sunday morning, I brought somebody else in on the second floor and so Meyers came up and family Smith went with him to the other patient when he came back and outside my room Beverly Smith Don't you wish to check on the Meyer says pack crabs where's he

Unknown Speaker 2:49
so I was after three days and then I was sent home my phone right

Unknown Speaker 2:57
now it's pretty funny. My dad got pneumonia one Christmas and he ended up in the hospital. I've never seen a man for fires like he did just roll off

Unknown Speaker 3:17
so Meyers those two brassy here. They went, they they've come up with a hospital with them. So my dad was in the men's ward. My sister and I went up to see him and dad was laughing. He said Myers was down at the other end of the hospital. Philip the older spirit he was busy and lambs was winding events

Unknown Speaker 3:49
actually one of those boys that's retired

Unknown Speaker 3:52
from the Olympia you're sitting next to became a doctor to me one of them or

Unknown Speaker 3:59
I don't think this one. But he literally got it. Done operation bro. There's a Myers road. Now. There's a name for an old

Unknown Speaker 4:11
man like

Unknown Speaker 4:13
that. I remember when I best Peterson introduced me to him. And he asked me where I was from I said currently from my area. And he said Oh, he'll maybe remember me. I used to. I was a doctor up there.

Unknown Speaker 4:33
No, I don't remember your name. Dr. Meyer warned me there. Well, 1897

Unknown Speaker 4:41
That was the year my mother was born.

Unknown Speaker 4:44
And the look on the plural guy's face.

Unknown Speaker 4:50
I mean, he had to be in his 80s

Unknown Speaker 4:54
My mom says his lunch in school. You couldn't afford to go to Victoria. If I was to go to see Dr. Rice once a year and Victoria Dr. Rice was doing right every had to do at the end give me a handle. And so I had to go to the doctor my or my dad stayed home and took me down to the doctor mind. He froze it five times. It's like the needle and five times. And it didn't take it wouldn't take freezing. sitting on my chair like this. My dad was sitting in front of my knees were shaking so much my dad had to hold my knees. And I can still remember you could look through my room there you could look across the school grounds. And that's the only time I wish that was in school. I just remember seeing the kids are reset. So playing.

Unknown Speaker 5:50
Did you get your true self.

Unknown Speaker 5:54
He had to work around me. He wanted to read around the joke and work this tooth for about four days after I was still having my face like this. The worst I ever heard was, I went to school with a kid called Jim and Mike Maloney's, big time illustrator in New York City. Nephew, the bishop Wilson. Jimmy was born in China. And he had to have a tooth pulled out with a foot operated drill. Imagine

Unknown Speaker 6:36
when you said Bishop Wilson you meant Oh, this works for the

Unknown Speaker 6:43
duck Bay down there. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 6:51
had a daughter and Jerome and Sequoia was another John. They are straight everybody figured they would marry didn't work that way. And Sun square and ribbon deck where I love togetherness grip was killed. Logging.

Unknown Speaker 7:08
I remember that.

Unknown Speaker 7:11
Where were the bishop Wilson's where did they come from? I think

Unknown Speaker 7:16
I don't know where she came from. She'd been a school teacher. A bishop and his brother. I think they had mining claims up near where my dad trapped my dad trapped up in the future and personal River in that country. And I think that settlements that they've made after I came back to Mexico read a few months there. When I was 2122 and I, especially Wilson, Mrs. Mike Williams has got really great friends. She came out one day and she invited me out to have supper with her ambition, which took me totally by surprise because I didn't kind of you know, so I went out and they were very nice. Well, I think I was getting a lesson from bishop. He thought I was going to be a wanderer never settle down. And he mentioned during that dinner that there's a time that you have to you have to make you have to settle. Because if you don't you keep on going which there's a lot of truth and you'll keep going forever. But they were nice people. And Joe in on Sunday, I think it was adopted. Joe, I went to school and he was in my sister's class, Cookie management deal. And the girls, the baker woman like they will I saw Joe with a reunion about 10 years ago.

Unknown Speaker 8:58
Now who was it coming back from that McGill wedding.

Unknown Speaker 9:02
I got killed coming back. Right. I remember Tommy

Unknown Speaker 9:14
some assaults my family husband

Unknown Speaker 9:20
loving the show victuals.

Unknown Speaker 9:22
No because she was killed down.

Unknown Speaker 9:27
That made me angry. I got off. Well the driver

Unknown Speaker 9:38
named Mike Williams and I remember now this is Bishop Ralston used to do pottery when I was

Unknown Speaker 9:49
in even older years, very striking. Much shorter than her

Unknown Speaker 10:06
Sometimes I think back now my missiles I think the atmosphere that was here I don't see it now it's gone. It's too big

Unknown Speaker 10:19
so when When did you leave the

Unknown Speaker 10:22
river? And when did you leave the island? Did I leave? First went away nice. Was that the one?

Unknown Speaker 10:29
That when you went to art school? Yeah. The

Unknown Speaker 10:31
Vancouver School of Art

Unknown Speaker 10:38
I'll tell you how naive I was. I had $64 When I left and I thought that was gonna last me a year in about one month and now they are school secretaries you're gonna see figured I wasn't living right. I was living in third rate Hotel. So your name was huge. Her sister was the only police woman on the Vancouver Police Force and great big. You could see her driving by in the patrol for his great hefty Marjorie who quite famous. I think she'd been in the class. So it was a last year as in the veterans in there too. So it was kind of you kind of grew up in a way very quickly. Listen to them. And there was a horrible Fisher had been one of the ones that's overseas. Here's my drone. And there's three or four of us he kind of took me under his wing in the drinking age in those days was 21 in the lobby at night. He'd get us into the office. And so then I got an article so good days you pick me up as a built in babysitter was for a doctor's family up and gamble. The doctor his name was Telford he was lecturing in Philadelphia and Mrs. Telford they have two little boys and that she was pregnant. So I would rake the leaves wash the dishes. And look after the boys if she was out. I'd get $10 a month left. She found she had difficulties with a pregnancy, late pregnancy. So I had to leave she had to get a nursing so I went down and got into third rate of return again. And I walked the streets like a dishwashing job in Nicosia, washing dishes was boy you have to take anything Oh sure. Then I have had to leave again after the dishwashing job. And no matter colored family Mitchells used to live in their their photos or in school in law school photos pending and they'd been on the island a few years up a maple tree with a called maple tariffs up near Stark road there.

Unknown Speaker 13:34
And I've never heard that word maple terrace before is that right?

Unknown Speaker 13:41
And so I parked along the street in Vancouver and here comes Mr. Mitchell Stan Mitchell along he had a he was a longshoreman. They had the hook in Huntsville. So he said, Well, what are you doing? And I said, Well, I'm going to school. I'm looking for a job. He said he'd come up and visit us. So I went out there and Mrs. Metro was she was pretty straightforward. When she says you look like you're starving to death you better move in here.

Unknown Speaker 14:15
I've never heard before. Yeah, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 14:16
Sam Mitchell. They were on a few years

Unknown Speaker 14:22
where they related any of the other

Unknown Speaker 14:26
I think even you didn't get along with one color or creed. I can't remember. Doesn't matter. So the boys were my age and they were into jazz and this is where I got 11 of jazz. I woke up one morning and they had a fat swallow record going. And then man I was downstairs and I thought this is fantastic and all that was the start. So Stan that that he had Switch from the 1920s The boys were going to do downlink and at that time I was like I haven't an education there was quite amazing. So I stayed with him a few months I got a job on the railroad through a friend but there's one of the boys friends so I became a midnight shift car checker.

Unknown Speaker 15:21
Was that the CP or cm

Unknown Speaker 15:23
off Main Street there and may no longer exist. It's all computerized today. We had to walk around the yard all night, picking down bloodsucker numbers whether they were washed clean this kind of ransomware adventures the hobos all lived down in that area see? Good education

Unknown Speaker 16:01
next door Demetrios or as an English word, right girl Rogers and typically, I have always had an idea just like the poor guy when he was in the weight. And she hated it in Canada. So they come over she started crying because my husband was terrible and the country was terrible. Go back go back for all that.

Unknown Speaker 16:30
But I remember the war of rods around here like Parsons wife just needed one trip back to Britain's to see what it was like. Came back very happy.

Unknown Speaker 16:41
Robert was a beauty

Unknown Speaker 16:44
does Parsons fruit fruit

Unknown Speaker 16:53
Thomas Road there

Unknown Speaker 16:56
were long harbor what was the original long harbor a huge chicken. See, she came out. She was gonna leave the lights the way she thought she

Unknown Speaker 17:13
was I was going to Ganges and one of their trucks. Gordie Gordie the other brother reached in one day and just pulled the keys

Unknown Speaker 17:26
split it up later years. She was selling real estate in Vancouver last time Andre

Unknown Speaker 17:35
and Doug got fixated on the interior

Unknown Speaker 17:42
know when they weren't back gangs and I don't find anywhere to live

Unknown Speaker 17:49
in this older crap. Bicycle lanes. You're kidding.

Unknown Speaker 17:57
So with sources pretty good. Rashmi

Unknown Speaker 18:07
She freaks me out with a blind date once every day on the fifth person last time I was running long harbor Ferry Road. It was interesting in a couple of long hills. I was pregnant with my dad was home for a while and I was working my dad and I had a motor scooter Chris and I couldn't we couldn't have any kept up the hills. I used to have to push that off the bottom of the hill there to thrive question about online forever comes along with Dagny. She said that what are you doing? What are you doing tonight? was a Friday and I said nothing. I didn't count. Barbara was pretty pretty. She was working for Beijing town and said nothing. She said well, she said I've got the girl over here and take her to the bathroom and I said oh you'll be I went into panic mode. Told my my dad where my mother was dead. That's all my battle. That's good. Good for you. He said you go. I never realized at that time my dad wanted me to get married so we can have grandchildren. I never had been cottoned on so I ran I went agony. Because I had nothing to say in the girl. She was shy. She had nothing to say. And I get home. My dad He wakes me about five o'clock in the mornings and how would it go?

Unknown Speaker 20:02
So your parents were still living

Unknown Speaker 20:05
on the island they never left my dad my dad died here in 66

Unknown Speaker 20:17
Wow Do you see the houses above Ganges over in the Saturday cranberry you know I've been my my dad Damn He punched him as a boy and he said you know anybody believes there is a damn fool I said was that he said no water now they're all mammalian

Unknown Speaker 20:40
know there's a whole lot of places nobody thought anybody would ever

Unknown Speaker 20:45
I'm surprised original look for your living where Frank is I never I never even knew that existed

Unknown Speaker 20:57
still wondering when

Unknown Speaker 20:59
the house was built? Yeah. He assumed it was somewhere in the 60s. But then I looked at photos as

Unknown Speaker 21:14
aerial photos

Unknown Speaker 21:25
I don't know because we weren't living here them.

Unknown Speaker 21:28
I can't remember anything in six.

Unknown Speaker 21:32
Do you remember when Swanson put that pond?

Unknown Speaker 21:35
No. I'm Bill Swanson new bill. him remember that. I remember, go back and forth and

Unknown Speaker 21:48
create a window.

Unknown Speaker 21:50
The junior high 60s, Ron was dirty. He was secretary of the school board. And I used to babysit for her high school she and John John sturdy. And so any school board work, she would she would call me. And so Bibles the element of pointers. Now the elementary one of the architects, they're going to put a screw in and they wanted to clear it it was full of course. And some trees, not very good trees and other good timber. So I should work with a little German guy called gursha down beaver point. And gursha had his own slant on life. He was a vegetarian. And he was as thin as a rail short and thin kind of a Rumplestiltskin and hopped around never wear stockings and the have these low woman's rubber boots and like remember, he did gorse needles in there and I'd see him perched up poking wildly, he wasn't very healthy, and the Emperor chainsaw and we have to take some of the trees down. And he would start coming in, he couldn't he would kind of go to sleep on the Sun the sour grapes of the tree. And the next thing I would hear dead out of the way get out of the way and look into the trees coming towards me. So I haven't had adventures. I like to know that he was a character that I went down to his place once I had to go down for some reason. And there was a little creek they ran through the property and he would walk in this creek winter winter and summer care told me good for you. And as for wife was dying to cancer and I saw her there and they were trying all kinds of remedies with her. It should be here them in them you know?

Unknown Speaker 24:10
Well there wasn't

Unknown Speaker 24:12
much around that. There wasn't much

Unknown Speaker 24:14
carrot juice and stuff like that.

Unknown Speaker 24:16
That's right. Or grapes.

Unknown Speaker 24:18
So what was it Creek?

Unknown Speaker 24:21
I can't remember I know it was down he was down to Beaver Point area but we're today just 40 years later I can't really currently

Unknown Speaker 24:30
there's a lot of water comes down off that hill. What I call Brian's mountain. I think Bobby monsters are going out beaver point. Mike Barnes Florida is on your right

Unknown Speaker 24:56
I couldn't even tell if I read to go there today. I couldn't tell you where it is. Shimon and

Unknown Speaker 25:01
was Mike Leone seasonal anyway,

Unknown Speaker 25:05
he got he told me, he was very religious. And he had been my booth, of course in Germany before the war and he told me one story. This would be probably 1938 He and his wife went to church and the Burgermeister son came into the church with a swastika armband and nurseries that we blocked out that was that was so then they put them out there he was drafted into the German army although he was older than John Trooper he wasn't gone so you have to guard Russian prisoners in Norway or they felt sorry for them and they would give them a little Crestor his bread and they got caught on it. So they put him two weeks in detention 14 days detention part of their salary part of their pay was going back to him was to go back to the bottom and so he stood in the pay line up one day and protested this

Unknown Speaker 26:06
or not a good thing to do.

Unknown Speaker 26:09
So all the soldiers behind them are cursing them because they wanted to get their pain goal. So they threw him they gave him another 14

Unknown Speaker 26:22
grand now liking them around the trees were I totally I watched

Unknown Speaker 26:29
some really bad logging x

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y dx sons with the lambda pi lambda gursha I think it's GUVR SC he something that that would be pronounced it's

Unknown Speaker 26:47
not a name I've ever heard. I don't know

Unknown Speaker 26:52
just another these families that were here for a couple of years. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 26:58
Often I used to sometimes wonder how they have all the islands over here

Unknown Speaker 27:03
this particular one the first thing I asked people how'd you end up? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 27:09
somebody like he was born here. Not to

Unknown Speaker 27:17
reduce the remittance Man Did you know wrench I used

Unknown Speaker 27:20
to help WM quite a lot. And I haven't used to used to get Rajesh to roll him over to

Unknown Speaker 27:29
Crawford and go buy a case of beer corn

Unknown Speaker 27:35
all rolled back. You go there. But of course, never vote that good. Maybe do that to take over

Unknown Speaker 27:49
so badly when he was older. This guy probably was autistic

Unknown Speaker 27:59
Why not really the last year we used to hang around the pensioners Ben stone and what's their joy? Oh, joy. And he thou shalt he was the first white baby born here we go shake your hand, said I may not be here tomorrow. And McAfee later years McAfee the blacksmith. And I remember I was a kid. I said Rogers and I said hello, Mr. Rogers. This was summertime. He said what would you like for Christmas? I said I'd like a 22 rifle. Mr. Rogers. Usual habit. Did he remember? When I talked? This was more definitely Fe you know about him. And she told me he was working up there for him in the 30s. And I think the story she told me was that he was she was given him lunch and he was looking at the province newspaper. And that it was a small blurb on the front page, that sort of Sarens sort of so and so Raj, searching for the king and died. And he said that was my that was my father. So he found out I had

Unknown Speaker 29:17
an idea. His father was a doctor at Bristol or

Unknown Speaker 29:21
something. Yeah, that's the way Mrs. mine told me. And he was an embarrassment

Unknown Speaker 29:26
that families should most Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 29:31
Yeah. There's a lot of them that came out. Bill Brown, you know, Mrs. Morehouse son in law. He would work as an accountant or bookkeeper at all the counties up the coast. And he told me he told me once I have tea with him as a brown he told me he wants to set the coast lined up, just littered with him. He told me about Emily Carr, come and get a boat to one I can resist. He said, You know, he said she was a very demanding person and virtually demanded the vote to be taken to this reserve

Unknown Speaker 30:19
Jimmy Rogers, they used to travel

Unknown Speaker 30:26
and who lives just down Venice road

Unknown Speaker 30:36
his name he was another probably artistic or something. But I think he was half Asian.

Unknown Speaker 30:51
I think of his name our email.

Unknown Speaker 30:54
Yeah, the house is still there. And I remember Ivan telling me that

Unknown Speaker 31:00
when the hydro went down there

Unknown Speaker 31:06
seems to me they were brothers. Anyway, they bought a fridge because a Frigidaire man was selling washing machines, fridges to everybody

Unknown Speaker 31:18
but his hands on and sit down and reading months later.

Unknown Speaker 31:24
What about those fellas down there? said how are they doing in their fridge? Set? Let's get on to see shall we? So down there one. When they first came to the door salesman just wanted to know how your Frigidaire was doing Oh, it's just what do you hope you might have come to have a look at it. Oh certainly. Come on in. So we opened the door. It was solid apart frost earlier gearbox no good. Well,

Unknown Speaker 32:05
they probably had read the instruction booklet maybe you shouldn't be frost once in a while.

Unknown Speaker 32:11
I haven't said it was certainly good

Unknown Speaker 32:21
I don't know.

Unknown Speaker 32:44
We'll come back. I haven't thought about it

Unknown Speaker 32:47
was man in 60 years. It wasn't that far down those roads.

Unknown Speaker 32:55
There wasn't many people down there in those times either.

Unknown Speaker 32:58
You're on the right hand side. Was

Unknown Speaker 33:05
can't remember when they logged all that

Unknown Speaker 33:09
subdivision? Just east as a highway. Suddenly, you can see Mount Baker again. Yeah. And it was just beautiful. It was just down there over the hill. And unfortunately, people have never stepped up you can see Baker and

Unknown Speaker 33:31
I worked on came back once from Vancouver and I got a job on the department highways. John St. Denis was the foreman. And I was a job boy. We did all the dirty work. And Frank Downey was subforum and they never got along. One thought he was a better work builder than the other. They'll tell you Corey story. We are all getting our orders in the morning and central there. George and gunner sent her and said kretzer Grab the shovels in the pic and you come with me. So we go down past the golf course or get on the golf course hill there and and stops typically you get down to Boothbay and you said alright, you get out and you clean the stitch out. Take your tools and things stitch. I started to clean in the ditch. An hour later down. He comes along in history. And he gets out down he had it worse than that. It kind of rolls. When he walks in he comes up and he said what are you doing here boy? George told me that things stick out. You don't know what they're thrown so you don't know what he's talking about. You throw the jewels in the back and you come with me so I thought I got maybe I'll be running the grater this afternoon so when we drive out I go towards the service well there wasn't any housing ROM or your whatever there was nothing there you know so I stopped in the middle of nowhere and he said okay you go home and prison that years later I thought about it and I thought that was what call one of those politicians I was I was fine you

Unknown Speaker 35:43
You figured what very you're

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the kind of before

Unknown Speaker 35:51
that was very busy know i mean if anybody's usually the ones in the morning are

Unknown Speaker 36:04
still RBS morning and I was surprised. I always leave the house at eight and we live nearby it's not like the old days you could Darshan days are gone

Unknown Speaker 36:24
now you're feeling like a foreigner and you don't land at times, you know, the funny reaction

Unknown Speaker 36:31
Well, there was nothing

Unknown Speaker 36:34
much long harbour roads going by you

Unknown Speaker 36:40
mean the Ferry Road now or? Yeah. Is that for you? That was the original Scott road. And there wasn't called along the long harbor road was actually upward 10 persons at his ranch and the window. Long harbor there were the bog

Unknown Speaker 36:57
archivo.

Unknown Speaker 37:01
So, Scott road was all dirt. The bad news to do that daily. We never had a car used to ride a push bike. He carry all those tools on the bike. Did that for years after my mother died, he bought a BSA motorbike Yeah, the old scar road project or short really slow down because it was narrow and twisty. And my scooter broke down one time. My dad used to go along about 10 miles BSA and so I asked him if I brought like a boy the BSA and I was I was sleeping in so I'd get out there later than he was

Unknown Speaker 37:41
it out to Scarborough.

Unknown Speaker 37:45
Back in the 50s. I said I wanted a glimpse of Johnny Murray, they lived over. And he said you drive like a maniac. I hear you're coming. I'm only doing 50 miles an hour to drive like a maniac rockin my vehicle. That was an old farm. They're called they call that the Nicholson pig farm. Louis Nicholson had pigs there. He was an American.

Unknown Speaker 38:23
And they subdivided it afterwards. My daughter does. She does.

Unknown Speaker 38:29
Well, she lives on Pine place.

Unknown Speaker 38:32
When Johnny had the whole thing.

Unknown Speaker 38:36
The old farmhouse. Well, it's still there.

Unknown Speaker 38:40
It is. A man hung himself there in the 30s that my dad knew. Yeah. hang himself in the barn. I think around 36 or something. And I asked, my member asked her bad news. It was really nice. I said, Well, what was the reason that sort of struck her at times figured that and so Johnny and Mary they got married and that's where they lived and Johnny had his dad living with them. Because he wasn't very good sheet. He'd been through going through a terrible time concentration camp. And my dad fought with founders troops and literally like Monte Cassino that horrible British virtually sacrificed the full and Emperor property and all I regard Sue John and Mary and John's mother died and he would show me his possessions with roses on the table. A few things like that was so sad, you know? And man man, Mary told me that Mary was So here's President looking after problems he told me once a prop was accused and poisoning them. So he ended up in Shaughnessy.

Unknown Speaker 40:18
The propensities kept an eye on on tuzo

Unknown Speaker 40:21
didn't Yeah, when they were here. Well, that's how they got here. You say John, John and a few others. They were kids. They escaped out of the Russian concentration camp they got through Arabia.

Unknown Speaker 40:36
They lived on shock on truck cliffs once a truck told me this. And one of the boys died on the way. And they ended up in Cairo. He joined he was put in the RAF Royal Air Force.

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I think he was trained to become a pilot. And then the war ended. That what had happened and they were all separated, the Russians had taken them all. John stab, he spoke Russian too, because they were bordered on Russia, where they were in Poland. And the mother and the bad talked his way out of the Russian concentration camp pulled up bluffers have forgotten how it went. But Johnny had an older brother and he never He never showed up. He just was lost in the Russian maze to that. So Johnny Dorsey's in England with the RAF, the war ended demand. And they were all nice young falls, and one of them came to Johnny Monday and he said to brother, go and check the bulletin board your names on the list? Well, his dad had ended up a Nando's army. The mother had ended up as a major British Army officer in India. Can you imagine all this? Twisting and turning around? So their job I think he found his mother's name, and they traced the father down to the Red Cross. So John was working as a translator in England and the parents came ahead with Karpinski so here's the Pinsky the aristocratic cool who's running the common common common turn out to your virtual you know, John, John would tell you his story. He told me various stories about Karpinski. I just happen to flatten mother pull the flight left and it was in charge of the chickens. And Diana, who was kind of a British Air star. She was in charge of the pigs. And John was telling me how the pigs got one day and she's flapping the field screaming at the pigs. Last people on earth in the wager run a community. That's what I was trying to say they used to come in the trading company when I was working there as a teenager growing up professionally as he was called. Zen and Karpinski cousin was murdered in North Carolina. I thought they were brothers. Brothers, I heard they were cousins of ours to get a charge of Zen and you know, he would leave the store and he was still in they aren't, you know, they never never lose that strict stance. Every morning around town, the Santa Zanon relieves a stir in March to the post office for the mail. I just got a charge out of that. And then we'd come in with the three boys. And she had this kind of cheap. One of the kids name was Ron das drawn about this. He said, Oh yeah, that's a foolish name. Well, they went the Camlin C factor. Then the wrestling went to Kamloops and they split up marriage. Well, I

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know my daughter in law had

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Diana for patients, or maybe 10 years ago. And Diana following me. I'm just so pleased to hear something about Saltspring again, she was

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Molly Lacey I know has a book.

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Maybe it's a pouch. I don't know whether it's a bound book that I think Diana wrote to the boys. Is Molly being a nanny. Yeah. Yeah, she's

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married did Lacey said he passed away.

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Sadly, he's over green was forgotten.

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Mommy loves a couple of streets over me. So right there

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yeah, she was a made for them or something.

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Came out his nanny to the boys. Oh, she did.

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Yeah.

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And I think John's father

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he was calm.

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there was everybody had their allotted stories Johnny's HR, I was just gonna be gobbled up.

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Keller Wilson he was driving for Johnny shampoo at that time. in Kelowna Blackburn from Kelowna drove in there one night in the truck fill into the septic tank Kelowna yells exaggerated a bit strong and he was I was at our place because they live just above I think my you didn't have a mother and I think was Carlos telling how he went in and all that all that he said after principes peasants came over

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I was in Diana's lead of health and beauty in Sweden and England one of the mostly girls or something

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oh yeah six daughters almost least daughters itself are married one of the Watch Dogs are much on them now metric that's

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very metric girls anyway Mosley girl and started this league of health and beauty oils to get people smart risk and activist the German girls were

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sort of exercises and stuff I quite enjoyed it and I got hugely pregnant and didn't feel I could do it

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now houses have been through a lot of changes a

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lot of rundown it was a golf course there now it's at the same place

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well not actually

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I don't know how much property was with it but the houses

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it was more Buddhist

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alternate school

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the army should be writing

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Blackburn out some sort of yoga shed or something but the school is the same property yeah yeah there's a lot of Yoga I don't

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know Well Pat had an

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email or a letter from malicious

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use a written back You told

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me it gave me a piece that I got home was that

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thing that was

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that article it was in this video was about why you should not harbor house Yeah. You had

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emailed her or

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phoned her she emailed back because my wife I don't understand I'm completely dance with computers oh my god does it all my second cousin the one on stage can't really write a letter and she would she likes the email

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you get about five lines but no well there were some funny things happen now. Excuse come in and then they're gone

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well have a good look at our website.

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I'll do that.

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How much stuff have you got on it? way of evaluating

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no idea.

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I mean way up in the 1000s filing you'll

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see now hopefully there will be a preps family on there too. How many families Oh,

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there's a couple of Krebs is here now on the island but they're nothing to do with me. And I think basically banker with some business Chromeless he rolled up and woman the one of themselves Somebody could have a shyster actually. And he was involved in some funny money event. Oh, hey, you

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know the monetary foundation

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I should have given you I should have given you a Saltspring dollar coupon in the mail for it.

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Yeah, he was tied up. Or any boost some wasn't. That's right.

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And it's the same was involved in Swanson's

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pawn right behind Frank.

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Is that right? Eric They were a little kids when I left. I didn't know that one son was killed in all out here there was a little problem found a guy so provinces from the province may be or

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John APIA right at that corner, where

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he went off to the tree it's going too fast. That's

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always been a bet.

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I think the kid was only earning was still alive. I was I was gonna hear at the time I didn't work for me bought the old better place.

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Okay, it's still alive. She

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is. She's doing fine. So Ernie asked me to go down. Have a look. The vine nobody been on it for years the vines took over everything. IV so I went down there and I found that

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we don't have to worry about driving.

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So

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I started hacking away with a machete in my father's garage. It sounds strange, doesn't it?

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No, because we used to live up down.

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We go down Baker road

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Anglican cemetery on either side. And I started because I was Anglican anyway, whenever I picked up the mail and use the whip through make sure there were no dead flowers. I discovered a little building in there. IV. Reagan

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You know 10 years.

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Yeah. So anyhow, I peeked into this garage and there was an old car from the 1920s it had the canvas tarp. The tarp had rotted the wood frame holding or dropping the Rondon attorney he was still plumbing and so I got home that night I had a phone in my shot. I phoned them up and I said I found an old car in your garage or any down there are any risk credit astounded. And I found 1921 calmness daily calmness which I kept I had to clear up around the whole place was just a mess

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so I found a new antiquing bottle. I cut that through but anything else I've turned over. And I remember I even had the slash IV away from the house when I found this empty stone in the archives can have

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more for the museum. Yeah, I still got it. Sure the museum because of the story. Yeah. This is the old bettors house down a bit as well. Yeah.

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But it was amazing. slash your way. I think it was just like my site slash shredded. And then suddenly there's this old garage where the car was an old car from the 1920s it was a car. He found the antique car keep on Victoria. They took it over. Jeff Brown you know he had an antique car you remember?

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Oh I remember that. I never remember

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the car and

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or we could go down there. Okay.

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So, Ted Brown, but I taught back in the 60s. When I was here. I was caretaking for an Oregon farmer up in the cranberry Jack fennel. And he and his wife little wiggles so for the winter. Jack I was kept a dozen had a Black Angus full time slave so I'd move up there for three months and look after his sheep dogs after sheep dogs. And I remember rounds. I'd stopped buying to Ted, you know. And I remember one Friday, I stopped by and I said to Ted, Ted, I'm going into a Ganges tomorrow. Do you want to come in with me? Well, no, he said this my Sabbath. He was British Israelite. I think he was the only one on Salzburg. Probably a British Israelite. Don't hear about them today.

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I had one for a patient. Greenlands was the only one. And I really don't know anything about what.

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I don't know. Saturday is there Sunday was the seventh day of batteries. So he required that was fine. But he was, if you wanted history, you have to have the dates. Where you're standing at the heart of this house there and there was a pile of bricks. It was Brett but the monsters rolling over. So I said When are you gonna do with the brick 10 I said, we're gonna build steps here. And the wooden steps like carved out of a log and you said My brother died and I we planted those on my team. So until 1916 I was headed down to the

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yeah, this brother was killed just at the bottom of wn straggling

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logging truck. By Brown.

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I went up to the forbidden plateau one time, which was a trail in nature.

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And he had three little Wesen the apples and walnuts. And I said, tennis is all you ever eat because it's all I ever seen.

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And after we were outside somewhere where nobody was around.

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I don't like most people, you know, but I'll tell you

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that I get them with a Swing Shot. Who said this to you? Yeah, he's just carve off a piece of rest on either side. And Frodo is good. Well into his 90s Yeah, I

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did. Remember someplace having lunch Reuben wasn't only had been the skippers. I think he had a pot of tea and an apple

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and the owls eat the apple like he was having a great meal. laughing as you say living as Monty and I used to do this opera. How are you today? Well, as well as can be expected.

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I remember that Jessie Toynbee telling me she thought his father

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knocked him when he was a little boy. And that's what happens is like

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was it ever married? No.

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Never this mother. She lived there in their 80s I went there once with Mrs. Trying being calm. When we were kids. And you the newspapers in the living room. There was a trail through them to the kitchen. They were stacked like through the ceiling. Or family Herald they will find paper that

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was who was John Brown

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well he was

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he lived down by Blackburn lake that was quite a lot earlier I don't think so.

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Oh hospital bills.

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Yes. Somebody I think Kathy Greiner found those somewhere outside house after he died when she was cleaning out a creek

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that maybe that was his dad was a John Brown was his dad. And he Brown

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and Mason I think contractors, the only the mentor.

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Has Ted Brown. I remember him telling me

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there was a hospital bill. And he was saying it for ever. And

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so for me,

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probably two or $3 I remember doing that. I

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think it was

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that would be you I

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came from England here 97 or something.

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But you get them talking about pushing the mill

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as he worked out there for a long time and he worked on a survey proved

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just amazing though, his memory as well as every little detail

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he told me when trying to gardeners I was burned up in the crime rate of 1925. He knew all about Rogers on the Steel's he had up there. The police raided them in 1940 or something I liked that he was oh he was

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the ad straight also.

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Another one I really liked which really time vowels are more to know if you Linnaean up at the bean counter and all those kids are taught in Germany was given this kind of Yorkshire dialect we never could understand the word but we'd be roaring with laughter

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Well, I think originally there were four brothers living up in

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the crown of Liberty Hall. I don't know it was four or three there was drawn and he he wants to humaneness

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I'm not sure that one wasn't maybe killed in the First World War.

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I don't know if that Charlie was in the First World War Yeah, well there were

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there were either three or four brothers. I thought there was poor and that was one of them had a wife

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which must have been rather difficult for her

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I can easily find out I mean, it was Charlie

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they're all Fabian socialists. And they would argue all day long

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that's why it was called Liberty

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and he had a machine shop quite close to me

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one time this time he was still alive I was standing inside my store and calling us just bad manners management. We can try and be he can be pretty blunt assessment most of time like senior calling Trinchero Hello Uncle

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Well, I have to move on. I'm sorry. I'm enjoying well.

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We can't thank you enough for coming through enjoyed it.