362_Pat-Crofton_Frank-Neumann_Gillian-Watson_2009.mp3

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17.02.2024

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Outline

Family history and genealogy.
• Speaker 1 shares stories about their grandfather, including his role as Harbormaster in Queenstown (now Cobh) and his stepsister's famous photography.
• Speaker 2 asks for details about Speaker 1's grandmother, who was left alone while her husband was away at sea.
• Speaker 1 describes their great-grandfather's experience moving to Canada in the 1890s, including his opposition to the Anglican Church and his decision to send his family to Victoria.
• Speaker 1 recounts how the bishop in Victoria responded to the great-grandfather's arrival, including the bishop's concerns about the great-grandfather's influence on the local Indigenous population.

Family history and relationships.
• Grandmother was the anchor of the family, respected by all children.
• Grandmother was affectionate and doting, supervising afternoon tea on lawn.
• Speaker 1 shares memories of their father's unique personality and habits.

Family history and memories.
• Unknown Speaker suggests Russia could open the book, while Speaker 1 talks about a knee replacement surgery gone wrong.
• Speaker 1 discusses their family history and photos, while Speaker 2 mentions making money and playing sports.
• Marjorie and Georgia lived in a cottage behind the hotel, while Billy had his own generator-powered room in the back.

Family history and wedding memories.
• Uncle Donovan Patrick's WWII experience leads to name change for speaker's son Patrick.
• Speaker 1 recounts a memorable moment when a friend's daughter was born, and the speaker's uncle had a heart attack.
• Speaker 1 shares stories of catching bouquets at weddings and receiving phone calls about cousin's birth.

Saltspring Island history and personal stories.
• Speaker 1 reflects on their childhood growing up on Saltspring Island, describing it as a quiet and close-knit community where everyone knew each other.
• Speaker 2 expresses gratitude for the work done by the archives, highlighting the importance of documenting family history and preserving memories for future generations.
• Stan Critchley, an accountant who became a fixture on Salt Spring Island, was known for his golfing skills and Buddhist Christian life.
• Unknown speaker discusses Shades shade and Ganges harbor with Speaker 1.

Family history and World War I experiences.
• My father and grandfather went fishing, but World War I and II impacted their lives in significant ways.
• My father felt excluded from war stories and Legion celebrations due to not serving in the military during WWII.
• Denise and Speaker 1 discuss Speaker 2's father, with Speaker 1 promising to bring a photo of him next week

Unknown Speaker 0:00
I think the prank that I'm a daughter, I'm a complete klutz. I just got on the internet about five weeks ago. So I'm really on the learning curve. I was over at her place this past weekend, and she dialed in. When I was listening to the tapes, one blank desktop, it was somewhere in the 1960s. And then John Croft and both of them are talking about harbor house and my grandfather, he was on prowling around here, but you probably have a different number of people that come to these things. 20 years later, get away with telling some of the same stories. But it was interesting to hear what they had to say. We had a my grandfather had a stepsister was the eldest from my first marriage, and she went to the World's Fair in Paris back in 1870, or whenever it wasn't, thanks to people giving her some money to go acquire the first sort of truly functioning camera. So she became quite famous, she never married to your name dispenser. But she was quite famous for the pictures she took. And there was in the course the Irish side, there are all kinds of photographs taken. But unfortunately, that skill transfer itself anybody else because when my grandfather, my family, we're not picture takers. I mean, something like this, you know, they went into Victoria and had a portrait taken. There's a kind of a dearth of bits and pieces to deal with. But it was was kind of interesting that she, my her father, my great grandfather, was the Harbormaster and what was known as Kingston became Queenstown, and it's got some other name it's got a different name all altogether now that I'm proper Irish name now that they hired that thing over again. But it's kind of the main support for Dublin. And for the Navy base was he was the Harbormaster at Marconi was experimenting with ship shore telegraph. The first ship short message was sent to the stepsister something like I've seen it, there's a copy of that in the X got it? For that said, I gotta be home for supper. Marconi was staying with he was the master and he was sort of organizing you know, going out and doing stuff and coming back and being helpful. So she she had the first chip shore message didn't get passed on.

Unknown Speaker 2:56
Time it's also been known that harbor outside of talent to being exactly with the soul you have to leave. I would love to know, did you know you must have known grandmother. So could you give me a portrait of her What kind of a person stops with her husband is away. during all that time, she had all the kids but they were little.

Unknown Speaker 3:26
Well, she was raised in District Council, the Reverend Wilson was a bit of a martinet in some respects. outspoken.

Unknown Speaker 3:39
He got a huge pitch up with the bishop. Back in Sioux Sainte Marie at the big Indian School in Sioux Sainte Marie were great grandfather was, was one of the rector's my great grandfather who was adamantly opposed to the Anglican attitude. He believed personally, that the native people should be allowed to keep their language. And of course, this was not proper thinking. And so he eventually left. He tried out Texas, in two sons went down there. They went down in mid summer and it was desperately not for us and they came back. And then he sent his two eldest daughters by themselves. recorded it was a land of milk and honey and they were set up. This was in the 18th. You know, the very early 1890s which was still a temper. There's no bank governor. It was very primitive place and they patched up the Victorian Senator report that it was a lot of milk and honey. So he shipped his family out, minus himself. They had a desperate time in Victoria and it was one of the coldest winters and they had a bunch of children on this He's approached, and he arrived and I don't know what the bishop out here thought about getting him because he probably got a message from his eyeballs. And yet this guy's a bad news. I don't know what you're gonna do keep away from the Indians and we'll be catching on. Anyway, he went up to Thetis island for a trip somewhere and he came back by Saltspring because you've tried to road yourself in those days Malahat No. And when he got to the main activity on Saltspring was at Central. I guess he went from Vesuvius to central Fulford to however, he thought he was getting back to Victoria and they said, How are we going to restaurant and so they had instant church service. The obviously impressed and they didn't have one occasional visitor, so I guess a few they petitioned the bishop sent it back, and I guess we should probably probably do less trouble than anywhere else. But he had 11 children, one died, so he raised him. One died in infancy. So my mother, my grandmother, obviously would have had a pretty smart and upbringing anyway, they know bells and whistles. And then she was a farmer's wife and seven children of her own, which is no easy matter in a rural place with no real medication to deal with income

Unknown Speaker 6:28
alone when pregnant, and she's got a newborn.

Unknown Speaker 6:35
The niece was born in 1913 and that he was born just before he left so Norman Wilson was a brother and he was the one who inherited Barnsbury which is for the golf courses. And I guess he had some means being a boy and also bagged on the galley married maybe she had a few dollars, but anyway, I think my my grandmother turned to him for help.

Unknown Speaker 7:05
Things going very, very driven. milking the cows and doing all the other good stuff.

Unknown Speaker 7:12
So I would have been your father. He was he was camp. Started he was email cows. They use him Dez that of that needs to take a note turns to the creamery. She was the anchor the family I mean of all the children. She was the one who everybody defer to other. Certainly, whenever children we went to harbor house, the first thing we did was go to Granny's bedroom. Everybody went there. And if you're old enough, you've probably got a glass of wine.

Unknown Speaker 8:00
How old? Did you have to be for that?

Unknown Speaker 8:04
She was like, most people in those days in 1940. She was sort of in early 60s. People in the early 60s In those days were elderly. Yes. You know, the arthritis and all the other bad stuff was sitting and they've worked hard physical lives. And so she was always an elderly lady. To me, even though

Unknown Speaker 8:32
I'm now 60 And I know how old I thought everybody was it mistakes. I'm not sure what they were.

Unknown Speaker 8:43
They do they had a capsule work with a stick about their 1000 years old. They probably felt it but they really weren't. I mean, I've said before and I think

Unknown Speaker 9:01
she grew up she was very affectionate. And She doted on her grandchildren and we all loved her dearly. She was the queen bee it arose when my grandfather died in 1942. I mean she she died in 51. So that's another 99 years. But she was she had AIDS with their customers with the only unmarried daughter she would supervise the afternoon tea. Tea was served on the lawn in the summertime. They came a great trays of water and tea and biscuits and cake and tea for everybody all against join in and it was all part of what you got to be there. My grandmother presided and we enjoyed those days, people who would come back year after year after year for their one week or 10 days holidays and bring their children we'd see them grow or I wouldn't have noticed myself and over the years we had Billy ng the cook Oh, he was there for 50 years

Unknown Speaker 10:20
old. Oh please give me a quote or something or other about I have contacted his son George his youngest son. Joey

Unknown Speaker 10:28
was absolute character he loved to play poker. My father had a poker party believe that to be one of the participants of ESP I guess it was part of a culture gamble Gosh, it worked hard and for a lot he went off to China and came back married I mean he went to look good wife

Unknown Speaker 10:55
well otherwise he went to get the wife because the first one had died because

Unknown Speaker 10:58
she he there was a room in the back all it was was a bedroom it was it was really almost primitive but that's where he lived for years and years and one bedroom you had a laugh in their easy chair and he read them very private man he didn't really he didn't seem around but he worked long hours and everything you know we go to harbor house we see Granny the next thing he did was go to see Billy and all the guests and they came the first thing I do is go and see Billy in the kitchen you know normally people stay in the kitchen they were allowed to say hello to Billy obviously didn't stay too long he probably pepper on the stove so he got rid of people when people already they wouldn't go away

Unknown Speaker 11:56
got a great sense of humor again you know he's like a almost like a favorite uncle

Unknown Speaker 12:08
you don't have that picture Yes

Unknown Speaker 12:15
Not to mention the rest of his family

Unknown Speaker 12:20
whether it's in here somewhere I've ever seen

Unknown Speaker 12:24
the one that we know is the one where he was in the newspaper

Unknown Speaker 12:32
I suspect that maybe in a book I've gotten the cars I'm gonna

Unknown Speaker 12:42
have the hot he's going to be July

Unknown Speaker 13:01
I can leave that behind but it may be one that you've seen I don't know.

Unknown Speaker 13:09
The only one standing up

Unknown Speaker 13:15
that's the one right

Unknown Speaker 13:20
maybe Russia you could she could

Unknown Speaker 13:28
probably open

Unknown Speaker 13:32
the one behind the band.

Unknown Speaker 13:33
She was dead on.

Unknown Speaker 13:37
Okay car driver so which one?

Unknown Speaker 13:46
Do you want to open the book? It's a little album. It's on the floor in the front.

Unknown Speaker 13:52
Okay

Unknown Speaker 14:03
it's absolutely wonderful

Unknown Speaker 14:14
Yeah, but missing a leg. I went for a knee replacement. They gave me a staph infection. Seven operations later they took the whole damn leg off which was not what I started out. Clumsy. I was in my 60s By then I'd given up bungee jumping. So it really amounted to much trying to get a career as a football player in the wheelchair

Unknown Speaker 14:52
a good career to get into all the money that I'm making

Unknown Speaker 15:00
Well I was lucky I was played lots of sports in good shape for a long time so I play golf even now I won't say what it's like but I play

Unknown Speaker 15:15
and he's got lots of pieces of paper notes

Unknown Speaker 15:20
well I have family some of the pictures you see this is this is me as a child somewhere I didn't see a picture of Billy and I don't know where that they can

Unknown Speaker 15:40
not enough

Unknown Speaker 15:42
I was thinking about that that's the wrong one that's not really this was a Darrell fall by the name of Tory he was a Japanese fellow he was one of the original Japanese brought to the British army to do stuff and he ended up working in the woods and he was in his 70s and living on next to nothing my father would hire him to split firewood for the for the two kitchen stove got packed often in tournament

Unknown Speaker 16:24
here's another one I'm sorry this is not really I can't think where it might be I did see sea

Unknown Speaker 16:51
This is the picture

Unknown Speaker 16:58
that was

Unknown Speaker 17:05
no I'm sorry there's no Boolean

Unknown Speaker 17:13
things are stuck in here in funny places.

Unknown Speaker 17:17
And actually all look forward

Unknown Speaker 17:19
to go bring it up when I come and you can judge

Unknown Speaker 17:21
as much as I have not I don't know whether he has Did you know that you know his wife and children? Yes.

Unknown Speaker 17:39
Marjorie Yes.

Unknown Speaker 17:43
So where did they live when they came in? That's a

Unknown Speaker 17:45
cottage behind the hotel

Unknown Speaker 17:52
Yes, well Georgia Sooners on a photograph where it was an aerial picture

Unknown Speaker 17:59
there was a cabin there and then they sort of got added to the family group. And Georgie, Georgie arrived

Unknown Speaker 18:09
and I think it was Denise told me that that that either the room the bedroom or the cabin was where the generator was. That's

Unknown Speaker 18:17
where Billy's room in the back

Unknown Speaker 18:24
that was one of the first electrified places on the island and they had Chris they had their own generator which only ran at night. Yes so during the day you're dependent

Unknown Speaker 18:33
on your father

Unknown Speaker 18:45
that that is what that was very cutting edge and on the cusp of things. I love Salt Springs. So neat you your email address

Unknown Speaker 19:00
put it right on this piece of paper

Unknown Speaker 19:17
I've taken down the Tory one because the website has a multicultural section and one of that

Unknown Speaker 19:26
part and my wife is also proud

Unknown Speaker 19:35
we have three first cousin John's giuoco friends

Unknown Speaker 19:45
into the Sunday morning

Unknown Speaker 19:47
because of Wendy's went on and on and on. There are three paths. My wife and me and my uncle.

Unknown Speaker 19:57
Also patterns married whichever Morris it is my problem. I put in my family with a brother Paul and their brother in law Paul, backing up. And then my mother was a Boston foster care she also foster parents as well as nothing more than that she had Paul Hill for many, many, many years. We had three poles to contend with

Unknown Speaker 20:26
our two cousins went on to my wife Lucy, being a newcomer to the family would fail to remember these things. She started talking to me about John let's stop what you're saying and telling me which John we're talking about in three of them is could

Unknown Speaker 20:44
you differentiate between them in Swift conversation

Unknown Speaker 20:47
just with this sense of what was being said normally, but we can all live in the same place on I was talking about a John I'd say John Williams or John Croft and

Unknown Speaker 21:02
so notice in which model Lloyd was my uncle, he was Donovan Patrick Yes. Second World War when he joined the army whose initials were DP, which was not a favorite

Unknown Speaker 21:17
EP, so he got displaced person. Anyway, so he he became PD instead. I was already born and I was PD so because he decided we'd be fatter Patty I was consigned to being Patrick and I hate because all my channels you know the Tom's and the Bob's the gyms. Nobody was Jonathan are wrestling with I had a Patrick which I and I also had a teacher who had a speaking impediment. She would I had her for two years and she would say when you go to the blackboard, will you read

Unknown Speaker 22:05
my book is to get my Valentine

Unknown Speaker 22:12
the crowning moment though, is I got a phone call when his daughter was born. I was going to harbor oats in the morning bringing in firewood which is a little separating and holding fireplaces when I was before going to school, the telephone rang and I want answered it. That's very familiar voice so I said yes. My best friends called me back. So that's fine. He said Oh, congratulations. I said well for what they said well for your newborn

Unknown Speaker 22:48
I'd have a girlfriend called and just plucked up the nerve to hold hands and I was called and I was the fellowship and on the baby are doing fine

Unknown Speaker 23:05
I light flashed before my eyes. I didn't know you get to do that. You can't be me. Let me just age right the moment I was pregnant I hadn't even noticed that she was living in Monaco was managing our boats and they were in Kevin sick. So if somebody divined that it really wasn't me, you wanted to talk to him. I called my uncle had a heart attack. Oh, I'm gonna explain

Unknown Speaker 23:43
what goes around comes from I caught the bouquet or wedding that was popular on TV supposed to try. I was 11. We went to Victoria. My mother was to buy music and do various things, go to the dentist or see the lawyer do some tapping. And we kids went along for whatever reason. We used to get plugged in the Odeon theatre under the supervision of one of the pressures while she went and did whatever she had to do, and then she'd come and retrieve us when the time came. So I saw all kinds of half movies and I've renewed how the what a day of my uncle's wedding, the Marian Victoria and the reception was at the Empress and the Rose Garden. And so my parents went to the wedding and we were pumped in the movie house because we were too young. My younger brother and sister we probably consider them as we were retreating and digging down to the Emperor's rendezvous with whoever else make the usual spread to catch the Saltspring very. And so I'm sort of standing about in the Rose Garden, waiting for this big departure. People were drinking champagne and plates are being passed around but I really remember being tarson was one piece per person per time you see, so I was kind of hard time getting a square meal on is getting totally bored and somebody said they're gonna toss the bouquet. So what does that mean and what's right tosses Okay, and I just catch it with some stupid girl was given a sex activity Okay, so I elbowed myself into the crowd was a sporting event something chucked the volcano notably it's one of her best friends leaving one handed grab and got it

Unknown Speaker 25:37
for bed rest rescue waiting for the approbation of my neck and shaking like an old rag put it down your damn pool. So drop it like it was red hot. I was banished to sit in the car and

Unknown Speaker 25:53
I got along dissertation going on able to catching bouquets at weddings stupid girl don't bother to tell me that this was a female activity only

Unknown Speaker 26:04
it would mean that there would be no more marriages thereafter.

Unknown Speaker 26:14
Referrals so I got the proposed approach to find cousin's wedding eventually. So I had some good stories. Catching your mother's Okay, and getting the phone call when she was born.

Unknown Speaker 26:34
Called that prompt. And we had a very happy life on Saltspring. In those days, it was quiet, there's nobody locked anything, they didn't lock it out. To me, you picked up people on the side of the road. You knew everybody. We had a great time, it was a bit of a time warp here because we were kind of removed from the real world. And

Unknown Speaker 27:02
so that's doing the

Unknown Speaker 27:07
start started school in 1947 was spread through the 40s and 50s that I went away to school in the 50s. Because in 1950s I was a boy scout and going to the Cenotaph on Remembrance Day. And there were work. People are World War One World War people there. And you can read and write a magazine of the survivors of the American Civil War, we're still having it. Because we have so makes me feel terribly old. But my point is in reading the book, that Saltspring Island, the one that I had the greatest pleasure of doing, because all the names I read recognize most of the people I knew I didn't know them, I knew their son or daughter tales that were told. Think that if somebody didn't get it written, done, then the work you do with the archives is wonderful. I mean, nobody in my father's generation bother to document anything about grandparents. No Dad had some recollections.

Unknown Speaker 28:24
Nobody did. Well, this is why I rushed over here you see any little tip that I can get to get the harbor house together because it is actually it's an interesting family to have. So to be so much at the hub as a community

Unknown Speaker 28:39
was really the only couple of boarding houses or sometimes there was a sort of a summer place. But if you're a traveling salesman or anything, it's really the only way you can stay the place where the dining room and such. So all kinds of stuff happened or people who are here to do stuff stayed there. I was we were lucky as a family as a child growing up because I got a bit more of a window on the world and most of my contemporaries because there's no television. I mean, you just didn't know what was going on. You gotta go to the movies and see that news. Always will after the fact that got truncated

Unknown Speaker 29:24
and massaged as well.

Unknown Speaker 29:31
Got Stan Critchley in your archives.

Unknown Speaker 29:35
Yes, we do. But Go on tell me. Oh,

Unknown Speaker 29:37
he was hilarious. He was he was an accountant who came to Saltspring about to stay at Harbor house in about 1934 33 years old. And he never left. He liked it decided he wanted he wanted to quit his job or whatever he was doing and he stayed. Oh, I didn't realize he quit his job to do Oh Half the state. The state of AI rose over after he was a master of the Cuca block in the dining room. Nobody else was allowed to touch it. Just these blocks are been temperamental and they really function best when one person sets come to show children we were threatened with a stick he definitely touched the clock and he said that he was quite a decent golfer and he played a lot of golf with my dad in the 1930s two of them playing was around is that my father was the best he won the Club Championship I think nine years in a row and even if he was almost a scratch player Stan wasn't as good but Stan enjoyed keeping the score to telling my father what rubberized handicap was in my case. He liked to fish and he had a Buddhist Christian life and as a small child I was taking issue with Stan well I was I wasn't allowed to talk at a sit still I was a

Unknown Speaker 31:03
small boy that's really I was used to being in my father's talking was not a problem I'm touching these little little trophies and I didn't really think that was all that much fun but after my audience would stand we used to go to shades still assignment associates top end personally

Unknown Speaker 31:34
with a tiny little old

Unknown Speaker 31:36
little character with a very dog Yes, yes. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 31:40
So that place is called Shades

Unknown Speaker 31:45
shade on it I suppose

Unknown Speaker 31:49
yes

Unknown Speaker 31:56
somebody wants to some very late early visits for all visually

Unknown Speaker 32:04
Where did you Where did you all just have the attitude

Unknown Speaker 32:12
My father used to roll the roll all day when they wrote Ganges harbor there's a light on the fire last island. Once it's gone

Unknown Speaker 32:25
it's still cold like some people at least

Unknown Speaker 32:29
that was a chain of Ganges harbour and you didn't have to go that far and everyone fellow got a 16 pounder off the lagoon right and Ganges use a Goomer southern brought her up the next day. It's usually too shallow to get much Netflix. But you could get any number of grill snow states you can fill your boat with girls

Unknown Speaker 32:56
nothing clever about catching them rolling out about 15 feet a line over the landlines. I got some I got an eight pounds caught on that was another matter of hysterics

Unknown Speaker 33:18
Fred Taylor's gonna tell him next week after Hayden was done, the picture there and the end of last 10 days in August, the family used to decamped to Thailand for service. Now, it's like full of Indian territory. But most days on Staten Island, they speak slip there. And today, the First World War started August, September 1914. My father and my grandfather went fishing. My father at age 10. My father got 10 Salmon himself before lunch. And they saw a launch come and go to where they were camped. So I wrote back to have lunch to find out what's going on on their advice of World War One and being declared, so the captain was packed up immediately. And back then when our host Garcia has you know, a very large number of Islanders. Volunteered anoint, but it didn't leave right away. It was usual delay. And

Unknown Speaker 34:36
also lots of training, things going on.

Unknown Speaker 34:39
And it costs a lot of hardship because the island at the turn of the century, they were all young people in their 20s and 30s. I mean, no spares. They came and they married they had young children, and then farms and livestock and they all fell off they went to war. Laughter wipes to copious answers why my grandmother ended up.

Unknown Speaker 35:05
Not everybody ended up because

Unknown Speaker 35:07
they already had five kids and six kids by then I guess it was a big enough room to take people in. But it was. So it was was really.

Unknown Speaker 35:18
And there was some remarkable nice reading in the local papers, and that the pressure on your grandfather to leave where it was that newborn baby was full on. And I really felt flans. Boy, what kinds of decisions that lots of older children than newborn baby

Unknown Speaker 35:41
would agree. This is why my father didn't get service in World War Two. He was the eldest of seven. He was 35 when 1939. And the two younger, the all three of them are in a Canadian Scottish militia. And the younger two who couldn't wait to go dad made it more of a full time activity. And my grandmother was adamant that his son wasn't going sheep, my grandfather was, was in decline and died in 4208. She was going to fire with all three of her sons and somebody had to stay at hotel or run somebody out of state. So it was huge pressure put on my father not to go. And he was on the upper limit of age many I'm sure you could have found something I've even given them to do it because they were the circumstances. We didn't have mandatory enlistment. So he didn't go and you know if he paid the price for that, just practically everyone else one of his contemporaries, and he was the strongest guy in the best athlete and to be the guy that didn't go. He he suffered a lot. And of course, in the 40s after the war, the Legion was going full tilt, and everybody would go to the Legion and tell their war stories. Some of them who weren't uniform but never left Canada, you know, you'd known that they'd been on by themselves. My father was completely on the outside of that. He he felt it seems I know he wished he'd actually gone in spite all of the reasons why he wasn't

Unknown Speaker 37:20
Yeah, I noticed that as well because that

Unknown Speaker 37:23
was my that was my grandmother's influence and the Legion was in

Unknown Speaker 37:30
the Legion they celebrated that

Unknown Speaker 37:34
was a big deal and everybody went to the Legion and certainly on average because they everybody braided for their uniforms and

Unknown Speaker 37:41
Boer War and even

Unknown Speaker 37:45
one guy standing on the sidelines originally they met in the house and then they they did

Unknown Speaker 37:53
they met in the house that they existed strong community of course is now

Unknown Speaker 38:08
another location

Unknown Speaker 38:19
I think how the house was like celebration that they met they met on one of the tapes

Unknown Speaker 38:30
it was about the only place that dinner was Aman Hall and there was no catering to those kinds of

Unknown Speaker 38:42
so they may have met either Central or I don't have to remember are you meeting somewhere else? I mean, I would like

Unknown Speaker 38:55
to catch the ferry program to come here today. And I like three we're doing six months thank you and keep in touch Santo turtle just turn it on

Unknown Speaker 39:30
and I hope that I will make the time to put all this into the chapter that I am first draft

Unknown Speaker 39:44
yeah, I've made up the whole romance is done a little you know what I would? Well, it's it's nearly a year ago when I was four just invited to come and speak and I wasn't able to come to conclusions. But I thought well, I, I need to know more. And I started bugging Denise. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 40:12
Yeah. Yeah. No, she wasn't. She wouldn't

Unknown Speaker 40:14
she would not talk. She just wouldn't not talk about her father. I

Unknown Speaker 40:17
don't know why. Well, that's what I was going to ask you what that can be for another week. I slowly pieced together.

Unknown Speaker 40:28
I thought I got it out of the car thinking we might have Billy aim, but we didn't. Because I know I've seen one. It may be the one you've got. But if I can find it, I'll bring it next week. Yes.

Unknown Speaker 40:40
Okay. Thank you.

Unknown Speaker 40:44
So I'm gonna take my keys and turn the lights off. Thank you. Okay, well, thank you.

Unknown Speaker 41:06
Tell the wonderful tale of

Unknown Speaker 41:09
my grandfather, apparently. Normal sense of humor. That was the one thing

Unknown Speaker 41:19
I loved the tea store was in the Tea Party, and it's parties. Wonderful, thank you very much. Most of its recorded. Oh, really?