Salt Spring Island Archives
| Accession Number | |||
| Date | 2014 | ||
| Media | digital recording | Audio | mp3 √ |
| duration | 75 min. |
359_Nadine-Sims_2014.mp3
otter.ai
16.02.2024
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Outline
Speaker 1 0:00
To find out who the baby is, I must tell you that this man probably Christmas, and maybe in a year when those clothes and he said, so hysterical, my agent said, You're kidding me. And he started talking. And I started almost started screaming because his mother was my mother's cousin, cousin. Yeah. And there he is. The Jackson, Sylvia's Brother, brother named Jackson, is currently the Jackson side of the fence. So we talk every week. Oh, if you ever want to get in touch with him, he loves the history. Now he is 9091
Unknown Speaker 1:00
You're just a young money. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1 1:02
very, not his. It's not like me, you know? You still got our marbles. You know?
Speaker 2 1:09
He's focused these paintings. We have pictures of those on the website. In the original Well, this.
Unknown Speaker 1:18
We don't know where the artist was.
Unknown Speaker 1:21
They're very nice, though, then.
Speaker 3 1:23
Could we turn the TV off or the sound off?
Speaker 1 1:28
No. I can talk with that noise in the back.
Unknown Speaker 1:34
It's very so. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 1:36
there you go.
Speaker 2 1:40
Yeah, and this is the other thing. You've probably seen this. This is the the drift drift word from 1979. Your grandmother's memoirs? Oh, yes. But that's a printout of those of those articles that they had offered.
Speaker 1 2:05
Oh, my, you've got breathing. I don't remember giving your granny Wallace's drawing.
Speaker 2 2:12
No, it was in the newspaper. The newspaper The drift. Gorgeous paper. Why is it Yeah, so this is all from the audit. That was so Yes. Isn't that lovely? She was really an art. It's
Unknown Speaker 2:22
I can't believe you have
Unknown Speaker 2:25
it wasn't yours. I've got it. You've got your
Speaker 1 2:28
original drawing and painting the whole works. Well, maybe I did give it to, you know, down through the years or maybe
Speaker 2 2:37
I think somebody lent it to the newspaper when they published the or they may
Unknown Speaker 2:41
have it could have been Myrtle Myrtle Holloman. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 2:43
yeah.
Speaker 1 2:47
This is lovely. This this for me? Yes. Oh, appreciate it. Oh, good. Oh, thank you so much. And hear about the murder of Louis. Oh, you know, I've never had it compiled in one now. Like I have all of her manuscripts that granny Wallace wrote. Yo, Sylvia, I have I have all of those
Speaker 2 3:16
papers you just there you've got the original view here Yeah. Oh wow.
Speaker 1 3:23
Everything so you know I'll tell you what maybe there's something in here that you might be interested in I pulled it out only because there's nothing in here that doesn't belong I just found
Speaker 1 3:49
census and I also found where was that? I put it away. Oh, yes. Howard asked this when he bought his freedom. I have the the
Unknown Speaker 4:12
documents Wow camera I haven't got my camera got it. Didn't even think to bring it
Unknown Speaker 4:34
here hard to see or
Speaker 2 4:39
do I didn't put my glasses on? Yeah, you have two
Unknown Speaker 4:44
glasses. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 4:48
We all do the same.
Speaker 1 4:51
That's the I found that Oh yes.
Unknown Speaker 4:56
52
Speaker 1 4:58
and this is I'm 1951 this is when granny Wallace Murray Wallace was trying to find her. The census you don't want to know how old she was, and where her birth, birth certificate and reward, but I couldn't think of how many children she really had. And it's always in here when she applied for her citizenship.
Speaker 2 5:29
So So, so this was in a census of 19. She was actually born in Salt Springs. She said she didn't have her birth certificate.
Speaker 1 5:38
She was she was sending after Lucy. She didn't have it. And I'm wondering because she was born, was granted maybe her mother's birthday. I don't know. Probably she birthday.
Speaker 2 5:50
Because I mean, it was sorry. I'm trying to think because because when Silvia came, we were listened, Emma. Yeah, see, we're already born. Yes. The first one was John. Right. Right. And then what I wasn't
Speaker 1 6:05
sure. I can you see, these are the names right here of our children. And some of them I can't really meet named
Speaker 2 6:14
Otis. So that's Willis Otis. Oh, that's to me. Yes. Yeah. So the he had two names. Emily, Arabella. John, John, Edmund. Edmund. Yes. So those are three. And then we've got Abraham Lincoln. Yes. And we've got
Unknown Speaker 6:33
Louise something. Oh, that was Louise.
Speaker 2 6:36
Something before Louise. And then we've got Hannah Hannah Serena. Serena. Yes. So
Unknown Speaker 6:42
she had seven children.
Speaker 2 6:45
You know, I looked into this because it was a clear on our website. That's exactly right. That's,
Speaker 1 6:52
that's the seven. You can't. I can't I'm still trying to find seven out of that. But I'll go back to
Speaker 2 6:59
some of the witness witness. Emma, John. Abraham, Abraham, Marie Marie, Serena, Serena. And there's got to be one more
Speaker 2 7:22
use Willis, Emma. John, Abraham Pannell Hannah. Hannah Serena. That's right. Yes, Louise.
Unknown Speaker 7:29
is Hannah Serena one or is she she's
Speaker 2 7:32
one she's one of one because in some of them it says cause her Serena and some of them cause her Hannah and I've even seen her on the one of the censuses called Han ha N Oh, really confusing and the only way you can tell it's fair is the data as the yes after birth Oh, so that's okay.
Unknown Speaker 7:53
Well I do I pull that out if you
Unknown Speaker 7:57
know I wish I brought my my have my camera with me.
Unknown Speaker 7:59
You want to take a picture
Unknown Speaker 8:01
with oh what a good idea.
Speaker 1 8:03
Yes, your thank you. So you better take your jackets off because it's hot in this room.
Speaker 2 8:11
The heat comes right it's a very cold day.
Unknown Speaker 8:15
Oh is it?
Speaker 2 8:16
Yes it is. It is like minus whatever out there.
Speaker 3 8:19
I'll throw up the heat when for when I get out
Speaker 2 8:24
well i don't know i can help you off with it Frank. Is that taking a photo? Yes, it is. Just a minute this is interesting. It's distorted slightly honest. Would you mind if I take a photo of Howard Estes freedom papers that these are these are wonderful. The writing here is so clear.
Speaker 1 8:49
Yes. I was going to check it down before you came Xerox it
Unknown Speaker 8:57
we probably can
Unknown Speaker 9:05
let's hope this takes a clearer picture Frank
Unknown Speaker 9:17
now this one this is a common
Unknown Speaker 9:28
street over there Harris, Harrison.
Unknown Speaker 9:36
Harrison. Luke. Oh, K.
Speaker 1 9:42
And you don't have this one with my mother and father. No, no, that's that's on said Claiborne.
Speaker 2 9:49
Yes, we wanted to ask you about your your dear old family. Oh, if that's possible for you?
Speaker 1 9:57
Because I realized that I didn't give you anything Think about Mom and Dad.
Speaker 2 10:01
Yeah, we like to know that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 10:04
So that is mom and dad. And I don't have anything written on paper and yeah, that was their 50th anniversary. And this one do you have that? And do you have this one?
Speaker 3 10:28
Look, I don't have a good copy like this. Oh, no.
Unknown Speaker 10:33
All right now here.
Unknown Speaker 10:35
Tell me if you want me to take photos.
Unknown Speaker 10:38
Could we borrow those for dead? We'll bring him back.
Unknown Speaker 10:41
You certainly can with the good job.
Unknown Speaker 10:43
Yes.
Speaker 1 10:44
Okay. Yeah, just good. Oh, here's one you can have. Maybe we just have that. Okay.
Speaker 3 10:53
And that that's the famous. Was that the same as the other one? Yeah.
Speaker 2 11:02
So you're the keeper of the family records? Yes. Keeping it for years. Yeah. Oh, this
Speaker 1 11:07
is not the same food. Yes. This is the original. Yeah, yeah. And here's employees. Of course, you've got that? Yeah. Yeah. But you don't have this. This is 12345 generations? Oh, yeah. That is myself. My daughter, my mother, her mother. And my daughter, son. That's five generations? No, no, 6124 No. Five, five generations? Do you have that?
Unknown Speaker 11:47
Reminder. Know,
Unknown Speaker 11:52
so if you think you want it. So
Unknown Speaker 11:54
this is your mother? No, that's your dog. Just
Speaker 1 11:56
as my mother's your mother, my daughter. So myself. There's my grandmother. That's Marie Wallace. And she's holding my daughter's.
Unknown Speaker 12:06
I don't remember this one.
Speaker 1 12:10
Okay, you can take pictures of all of these whatever. Wow. Oh, I think I like this picture better than that. Oh, she's smiling the same way. Yeah.
Speaker 3 12:25
It gets the same. Coffee, but that's the original photograph. That's a digital copy. Yeah. But that's just
Speaker 1 12:41
me a long lived family. And we have a big one like this. Big. This big up there. And the farmhouse have this picture? Oh, yes. Yes. So did you get your I got this. I'm gonna take that and Xerox it. And maybe get a couple of copies, because I want to send one back to Louis. I
Speaker 2 13:06
was gonna say, we could do we could do. We could do it for you. Oh, and actually, if we if we can take some of those photos. I'll just bring them back to you tomorrow. Right. That's okay. Be absolutely wonderful. Oh, sure. This is so precious.
Speaker 1 13:20
Yes, it is. Yeah, no, I think you'll see I pulled this out. I moved. I've been living here a year. And so I haven't touched any of the history. Yes. And so last night, I was up here half the night, pulling stuff out and reading it and putting it back. So you see anything? You know, what is this was a copy of somebody's death? Of my my dad. My dad. No, that's you're not interested in that? Well, we
Speaker 2 13:52
will take that. Yes. Let me let me show you what we've got in terms of the of our this is the what we've what we've got this. So this is the information we've got. And some of it might not be accurate. But it's I wanted to show
Speaker 1 14:05
you've got your grandmother's picture in there, too. Oh, no, this
Speaker 2 14:11
is this is the family tree. And you can see what we've we've got down to your to your parents, but we haven't got anything beyond that. Oh,
Speaker 1 14:20
I'll have to give you pictures. Oh my God. Isn't this wonderful? Yeah. So that's, oh, this is? Yeah. You want me to move that chair? No, no, no.
Speaker 3 14:42
No, I think we should. We should take this scan and scan
Speaker 2 14:45
them. Yes. Well, is it so if I put this this material in there, bring it back tomorrow.
Speaker 1 14:51
All right. Then we'll find well then. Oh, that you want you could use that? Well, I didn't think it was important.
Speaker 2 15:00
Oh, you think about this. This is this is the home of the family. We stop here. Yes, I think we should go on. We would love to. Oh, hey. This is so precious it so they sent you this copy. Oh,
Speaker 1 15:21
my Randy Clark, who lives in Vancouver. He is a very dear friend. He went back there. And I think he went and did all of the research and that he actually
Unknown Speaker 15:34
got the original Yes. Wow.
Speaker 1 15:40
Now here's something about Emily was the first school teacher in Nanaimo? Yes, yeah, well here is registration. I could maybe for marriage to a man named
Speaker 2 15:58
Clark, not just kaka remember this? Yes. Do Yes. Well, I'm gonna remember it's on here somewhere, isn't it? Yes. It says James. Okay, that's I don't have a picture. That's Did you or did you? You wouldn't have met her at all. She she doesn't know in the old days. Yes, they were. They were
Speaker 1 16:17
all gone before. Your great grandmother. But I knew my great grandmother. Yes. Oh, heavens. I guess your veneers just to be with her. You know how it is? You go to grandma's house for the summer. Yeah. So we spent a lot of summers on salt ring.
Speaker 3 16:34
You lived in Vancouver? Yes. Yes. No, no, I
Speaker 1 16:40
was living. I lived in Nanaimo St. Oh, we were very high up in the area, because we could look straight over to the mountain. And it was just beautiful night we could lift going up as high in the air. I can't remember anything else about that. We run the nine Wall Street. You we coordinate
Speaker 2 17:01
because you want to return? Yes. I saw a picture of you as a athlete. Yes. I want to
Speaker 3 17:07
pretend you and your dad was working at the railroad. Yes. He was working
Speaker 1 17:14
on the railroad. And he got fired from the railroad. So here he had this home that they had bought. And of course, he was ready to lose it because he had no job to keep it up. And so my Oscar Oscar was living in California. And he called and said that he worked for MGM Studios. And he said they were looking for workers, and told my dad to come to California. So that's how I ended up in the States at the age of 17. Wow, yeah. That's where I met my husband. That's when he might
Unknown Speaker 17:54
say this is all the stuff we don't know. Oh, I
Speaker 1 17:56
see. Well, so I live there. Oh, I live there, g 3030. Some years or more. And then when I came back here, they wanted to know how long I'd been out of Canada. You know, they only give you enough Social Security for when you when you are here. So my Social Security check from Canada is $169.
Speaker 2 18:21
I'm so proud of that. What made you back? What made you come back to Oh,
Speaker 1 18:28
Mom and Dad. Everybody that passed away. All the Americans in the family came home to Saltspring to take care of whoever was on the island. Each one of them. Yeah, all day, Oscar. Andy Mert. They all came back because granny Wallace was still here. And that was her their mother. Yes. And then when everybody else was kind of out of it. My mother and father decided to come back here and see, oh, yes, because her mother was having problems taking care of granny Stark and her husband. So my mother came back to help out and they eventually both moved back here all together.
Speaker 2 19:14
So so that that 50th anniversary picture was it?
Speaker 1 19:19
Oh, yes. Yes. So they they lived here on salt spring from about. Let me see. Goodness gracious. The dates are so funny. 1950 think of 1950 She came back? They came back here. Yeah. From California to take care of my grid my grandmother so that's more Yes, yes. And then I came to take care of my mother. So much sense yeah. And never left. But I was looking for more things for you to look at I just love this.
Unknown Speaker 20:03
From Frank did this did Frank
Speaker 1 20:05
This is amazing. Now, Hannah Coneys Oh, yes. And Howard is. Now listen here, Jeremy this. Who is Vincent Janani.
Speaker 2 20:17
That is I found a marriage certificate between its mother. Its annual Hannah Serena. And under Vincent giannone. Who was Italian watchmaker? That's what it said.
Unknown Speaker 20:34
So, oh, I see. Yeah,
Speaker 2 20:37
it was it. I saw I met found a marriage certificate on BC archives. Isn't that interesting? Right, like I can. I've got it somewhere I can show it to you.
Speaker 1 20:48
Listen, I'm gonna keep searching because I should have
Speaker 2 20:52
so that's that's her husband. But I you know, as I say, that was all I found was was it could have
Speaker 1 20:58
been a second husband. You know, sometimes there's women marry the second time. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 21:04
Yes. I'll show I'll I'll bring well let me make a note because I'll bring it for you. I'll bring a copy. It's a copy of the record that I have. Okay. Yeah. All
Speaker 1 21:13
right. Let me see here. What else I've got that you would be interested in.
Speaker 2 21:23
So So you think that so she was married before I ever imagined that she was she was okay. Was that? This is an ad I've got hisense and Serena But Hannah. You see, we
Unknown Speaker 21:33
don't know. We just don't know. I'm just not sure. It
Speaker 2 21:43
was the only you know, I'm looking in BC archives but she could have been elsewhere and so
Unknown Speaker 21:54
maybe it wasn't Italian gigolo. Married Mexican marriage
Speaker 2 22:06
if I got married, it's no Dutilleux I'll find you the record. So yeah, I said it's just what I found.
Speaker 1 22:17
Now let's see. What was this something I did? It was something new. There's this lender
Speaker 2 22:24
in here. Now. That's what this is something you? Yeah, these are the things that we oh,
Speaker 1 22:30
I look at so many of these papers. But no, that's see. This makes no sense.
Speaker 1 22:51
And once you complete Oh, these are wanted, you see? Because I wasn't sure if you had all of the features you
Speaker 2 23:03
want. So this is well it's in the coolers. Yes. We have seen this one. I haven't seen this one.
Unknown Speaker 23:08
Yeah, that is the old old one.
Unknown Speaker 23:12
Oh, yes. Yeah, it's uh, can we borrow some of these? Oh, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 23:18
I tell them so that you can.
Speaker 2 23:20
Oh, that's wonderful. Yeah, yes. So this so this is your new wireless screen? Right here on Saltspring. And that that is Heather. Me again. Yeah, and that's that must be.
Speaker 1 23:34
Let me see here. Oops. Oh, it looks like him. Yes. Because that's his dog. Oh, isn't that a deer there?
Speaker 2 23:44
It's a deal is it's not a lie. No, I think he's propped it up. He's Oh, he shouted. Pets. And these two are now those two. That's Marie Wallison.
Speaker 1 23:55
That is no Aunt Louise. And granny Wallace. Two sisters.
Unknown Speaker 24:01
He says yes. It's a beautiful photo.
Unknown Speaker 24:08
But I love this because this is very old. And
Speaker 2 24:11
yes, that's very old. I don't think we've seen this one. Yes. Oh, yes. You got it again. It would be lovely to have the originals to scan. Oh, and again. I'll bring them back if you if you Oh, yes. Are you sure that's all right.
Unknown Speaker 24:28
No, it's all right. I thought that would be cute.
Unknown Speaker 24:36
And so this is this is this is
Speaker 1 24:39
now Jeff JP one. This JB Wallace. Will Louise and my grandmother that is a husband and wife and
Speaker 2 24:47
sister in law. Yes. Good. There was this. I know we've got some gaps in the names. You've got there. We've got that one. Yes. We have Got that now that that's I tried to think
Speaker 1 25:05
I think this must be my mother. She was the first born but it doesn't look like her. I just can't see anything here nothing on the back is there anything we have? Oh no, I had a sister Yvonne Did you but I think
Speaker 2 25:32
I was gonna ask you how many sisters just said Yvonne
Unknown Speaker 25:35
it will have my brother Sydney
Speaker 2 25:40
also you had a brother named after yes yes and Sydney and
Unknown Speaker 25:55
you right on this I shouldn't do
Unknown Speaker 26:06
this you and I just can't imagine it's a
Speaker 2 26:10
beautiful photo it's utterly utterly look it's it matches this which makes you think that that this this looks like Howard Howard Wallace. Look can you that? Oh you know how old Wallace Claiborne
Speaker 1 26:26
that this is a you know what you've got there Howard. This I believe this is a mistake is my uncle egg. This one died he died of he had that fever when he was very young. Now this is the same face I believe
Speaker 2 26:47
what we've we've we may have got this wrong. This is what we this is what we have. Yeah. So so you'll see your
Speaker 1 26:54
snap. I'm just thinking out loud now because I know that he
Speaker 2 26:58
we got an eight an eight but this level, like Sylvia's love. Oh, well. Sorry, Emily. And sorry. Your, your your grandmother's levels. See granny
Speaker 1 27:10
Wallace had this son. Ah, this was the one that was ill. And you know what, this is her child too. So you
Speaker 2 27:20
so that could be your mother. This could be this. So this is I'm working to see if it could be Josie. But I'm trying to see Josie I can't see. I can't see my mother in this. But that one's your mother. But it's a little girl. Yes.
Speaker 1 27:47
No, that is not your I can tell it's not my mother.
Unknown Speaker 27:53
You said I don't think it looks like
Unknown Speaker 28:00
and you have here,
Speaker 2 28:01
Howard. And we got his his Howard. I don't remember where that comes from. That wasn't research. I
Unknown Speaker 28:08
did. Well, Howard.
Speaker 2 28:10
That's That's him. That's him. Yes. Okay.
Speaker 1 28:14
I think that's him because he died. very early age.
Speaker 2 28:18
Oh, that is not is the one that died. Yes, that's right. That's right. This one. Oh, yeah. I remember what I remember looking up was I looked up your grandpa, and they were living in Vancouver. And these were all the names. They were living with their children. In Vancouver? Yeah. So they were on Main Streets. Yes. Yes. So I saw that. And so that name was on there. It was on there.
Speaker 1 28:45
I see. Oh, well, I'll be done. And I have the picture of the house where I was born there on Main Street right on the picture of the house where they all lived. It was a huge house. Yeah. But I found out you know, after years, I wondered, you know, my grandfather. And we lived in a normal street. They lived downtown on mames. Meaning something I'm not sure what. And so I was back and forth between the two every day around the corner. Yes, yes. But what I was trying to say is we never I never knew what my grandmother my grandfather did. He was never home. And he was always dressed with a suit and a tie.
Speaker 2 29:41
You know what it says? It says in the record though it says he and he ran a janitorial. Yes.
Speaker 1 29:46
No, I looked. I found out and I that's what surprised me was for years. We knew nothing about what he did. He never seemed to work hard. And so I said to myself How did he make the money? Because he had two or three houses there in Vancouver. And he was very successful. But I read this an article in a book that I saw, and in this woman said that there was a world do black man and I he seems to be a janitor. And when the work got too much for him, he labeled it out and he hired people to do the work that he could no longer do. Finally, you didn't have to work at all. Yeah, yeah. You they took care of all those big old time buildings downtown Vancouver. Those were ones he worked in?
Unknown Speaker 30:39
Yes. He'd been near them. Yes.
Speaker 3 30:42
This one on Main Street?
Unknown Speaker 30:48
Yes, that's the main street. Yes. Yes. That's it. Frank blew it up so that you can see some of them? Yes.
Speaker 1 30:54
Yeah, this is it. This is the 16th Street. My mother said this was 16th Street wherever that was the 16th. Yes, yes.
Unknown Speaker 31:03
And May 16. In May. Yes.
Unknown Speaker 31:07
She my mother was born in that house. I guess most of the kids were born there. But I still think this might be
Speaker 2 31:19
one of the corries the core reason why would you
Speaker 1 31:23
because you see my mother under Jackson soleus.
Speaker 2 31:31
Family? Yes, yes. Yes. No doubt that some snow Sofia's Sophia, some Jackson, Sylvia.
Speaker 1 31:38
Sylvia had a son and Sylvia. No, no. I mean, I'm sorry. I don't mean that. I met a Bronx or Yes, it'll be his brother's name was Jackson.
Speaker 2 31:52
So that's that. Yeah. So that's what we haven't got that branch of the family there. But that was the STS family. Yes.
Unknown Speaker 32:00
And that's who this man was the Coleman. He is
Unknown Speaker 32:03
an Estes. He's. He's a direct. Yes.
Speaker 1 32:10
And he was the first black policeman in Toronto. I have that. And I have pictures of him and his son. And I will give you his picture. Because it is important because he is a member of the family. Oh, he just wants to come out here so bad. He's 91. And he's going to be able you can get around. He's something like me. He gets around. But he's wants to come to Victoria, because he somehow it figures. There's some connection between him and Alexander family. Well, of course there is his mother married Wolfville. Xander. There, Mary,
Unknown Speaker 32:59
Cory, Cory,
Unknown Speaker 33:00
Mary, Alexander.
Unknown Speaker 33:05
Anything about this slide. But yeah.
Speaker 1 33:07
So that is that side of the family. And Mary had two sisters that I knew that one lived in Victoria. One lived in Courtney. And Mary lived in Courtney. So I knew all of them. I didn't know I was at all.
Speaker 2 33:33
So were these parts of the original families that came up from California? Yes.
Speaker 1 33:37
And they came up with that. Bruce, Wilma, California. Yes.
Speaker 2 33:41
And Jack. So Jackson, did he come as well. He I
Speaker 1 33:46
think now listen, you've got the notes there that said that Jackson and Sylvia were brought as well. And
Speaker 2 33:57
that paper that you said you could eat? Oh, this one? Yes. Yes. In your Yes. I still don't dare Oh, no. Don't when I
Speaker 1 34:05
gave you that. The document? No, the document the Oh, this one? Yeah, yeah. Now there it says that Esther's bought freedom for Jackson and Sylvia and his wife and himself
Speaker 2 34:23
and has had done that. I think that's on that's on here. I actually saw Jackson. Yes, somewhere. Yeah, yes, Hannah, Hannah Jackson and Cynthia. millets budget. I didn't possibly that's probably Sylvia. But it says Cynthia. Yes. Yeah, it actually said Cynthia. It said So Hannah, Hannah Jackson and Cynthia. There was that there was another daughter Agnes. Who died of scarlet fever. Oh, I didn't know that. Maybe I'm wrong. Yes. We've got Oh, yes. Yeah, yes, yes, I see. Yeah. Oh, yeah. One
Unknown Speaker 35:00
picture.
Speaker 2 35:01
No she was she would have been before they came. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 35:04
They never took the picture number. I don't think they did. But I'm still concerned about because I know that this is his name was ame. And we call, Mama told me, you had an uncle named uncle eight. And I didn't know whether uncle eighth was granted Stark son, or granny Wallace's. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2 35:30
it was definitely a naive here. Can you see? Yes. And so he was so he was he was some you'll have to we're not sure. But 1903 foot hit. So he was he was definitely Sylvia, your great grandmother.
Speaker 1 35:46
Oh, okay. Then that's, that is.
Speaker 2 35:51
And this is this is this is Wallace. You're gonna you're gonna illness. Yeah. So children. Yes. So that's the picture we have. But we could make mistakes we do. Yes.
Speaker 1 36:02
Well, I know. I'm sure that that sort of this is yes. I think she said he got pneumonia or something like that nose base would be the head. So this one we don't know who it is. I'm trying to look at the features. And it doesn't look like any of my mother's it doesn't look like most and doesn't look like Myrtle.
Speaker 3 36:28
It's very nice. We have not one but the boy decided with
Unknown Speaker 36:34
that. What there? Oh, do we? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 36:38
That you should
Unknown Speaker 36:40
be sitting next to me here. So you mean in here?
Speaker 3 36:44
Probably that. That photo is actually a boy and a girl.
Unknown Speaker 36:49
Love that book. Hold
Speaker 2 36:51
that one. That's not the same one? No, no, no. This one here. This. Yes. But look, that's that. Oh, you're
Unknown Speaker 36:58
right. Yes.
Speaker 2 36:59
That's that one. That's that's your mother. And
Unknown Speaker 37:03
yes, Oscar and
Unknown Speaker 37:05
Oscar? Oscar. Yes. That's not
Unknown Speaker 37:10
pictured there. Let's see.
Speaker 2 37:15
So that this is the one that we've got labeled. Howard. Well, Howard Wallace, or is it Howard label? No, Howard Wallace. We've got
Unknown Speaker 37:26
Do you know something? This might be my mother. Let's see what she can look at the release. And release on that. I believe that is
Speaker 2 37:50
the relationship between those notes? Yes. Oh, no. I'm sure that just meant that we haven't. If
Speaker 1 37:58
it hadn't been for that picture. Yeah. I would never find.
Speaker 2 38:04
Yes. Because well, so. So just a minute. So that's yeah, that's, that makes sense. Doesn't it? Yes. It really does. Because this we fit we think what are we thought that this? This was her? Her brother? Yeah, Howard. Yes. And it's obviously taken by the same photographer. Sure. Yeah. So that is that is very possibly. I'm
Unknown Speaker 38:25
sure it is now. That really
Speaker 2 38:28
does look, when you look at the features in the sort of, like you say that yeah, that's
Speaker 1 38:35
that's the same lace color. Yep. That she had when she was very young. And she still used it.
Speaker 2 38:42
This is when we don't have at least I don't know. And and I think Nadine is saying this is her mother. Yes.
Speaker 1 38:50
No. Do you how are you got? Have you got something you can carry those
Speaker 2 38:55
in? Yes. I'm putting this stuff in. Which is what I bought the book. So this book, we leave this with you?
Speaker 1 39:03
Oh my goodness. I feel honored. No, no, we're on it. Oh.
Speaker 2 39:09
Yes. And if you can, if you will let us borrow these. Yes. Yeah, we will bring them back tomorrow.
Speaker 1 39:15
Why sure. I hate to go and show you anymore. You love the way Yeah.
Speaker 2 39:24
No, I totally. I mean, this is such a precious stuff. But yeah, well, you know,
Speaker 1 39:29
if it hadn't been for granny Wallace, I wouldn't have anything. She kept us the cute the family Yes, you give to him.
Unknown Speaker 39:39
And it's your turn now? Yeah.
Speaker 1 39:52
All know you. Goodness. Maybe like you say you don't have any friction here. It is myself with my three daughters. Oh my goodness and your
Speaker 2 40:06
and your and what are your daughter's names Ronnie Judy and Lynn is thinking I know of Bonnie Judy and Lynn. Yes. And so this is that's Judy, isn't it?
Unknown Speaker 40:21
Bonnie? And Lynn Yes. Oh my
Unknown Speaker 40:32
God
Speaker 3 40:38
today on Rainbow Road or there's the little road going for Rainbow Road in towards Park by America I miss
Speaker 1 40:50
that was that was Josie Josie Josie Duran that was my mother's sister. Oh, yeah. Okay directly across the street from the high school that little house there she owned that.
Speaker 3 41:04
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I thought that was like before Mera Kaam is between Mary CAMI garden and Marie calm is there is there was a road through there. Oh,
Unknown Speaker 41:20
listen. We met where is that road?
Speaker 3 41:26
It's not much of a road anymore. It's just a trail going towards Park. And there was a house there was still remains about 10 years ago. And there's not not much evidence there now but it was a clever in house.
Speaker 1 41:44
Any housing any of their houses been that close in? Josephus was way up across from directly across from the high school. No, yeah,
Unknown Speaker 41:55
yes. Okay,
Speaker 1 41:57
they were always at Murray commies. Oh, yeah. Listen, little Mrs. Perry. Como was so cute. Josie Duran, her mind went after a while. And so she was always calling the police on me. I was her favorite niece. And she and her mind is twisted. Yeah, the heart a stroke. And so she called the police and said that Nadine still searches such off the clothesline. And so the police would call me all the time. What did you steal this time? To be a big joke. So little Mrs. Mary Cami, was the cutest thing. Every time I went there. She wanted to know all the gossip about my family. And she says how's that crazy Auntie Joe of yours? I have never forgotten that. I tell Richard that story all the time. She go my crazy Auntie Joe.
Unknown Speaker 42:57
Rose Rosemary Cami.
Speaker 1 42:58
No roses, mother. Oh, I see. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was funny.
Unknown Speaker 43:08
These pictures here.
Speaker 1 43:10
Yes. That's my my father. And that's my brother. Oh, that Sydney. That's the youngest. See, he's the youngest. Now I have no picture of Yvonne, my sister. I'll get one. You can help those of you want to take that out of there. Yeah, redo it.
Speaker 2 43:28
So this is this is this is your your father's dad? Yes. That's your father. Yes. Your brother. Yes. No, we don't have this picture. And then this one.
Speaker 1 43:37
That's my my you've got that. We've got that one. Yeah. That's
Unknown Speaker 43:42
yeah. Yeah. Lovely picture.
Speaker 1 43:44
You want to take that out of the back of there for Sydney? Well, this week is picture. Oh, I'd love to Oh, yeah. Well, sure.
Unknown Speaker 43:51
I don't think we've got this one actually.
Speaker 1 43:53
Oh, okay. Well, you'd rather have that. Have both of them. Oh, oh good.
Unknown Speaker 44:00
We have we don't have that. Sydney.
Speaker 1 44:03
Much later picture of, of dad. And
Unknown Speaker 44:07
so this is your brother. So that's my brother Sydney.
Speaker 1 44:10
We call him Sydney Sandy, Sandy. And now this is Oscars, two step sons. So I'm wondering if you wanted to. If you thought about having them anywhere in that? Yes. I don't know whether these
Speaker 2 44:33
are these are Oscars, steps steps and children. Yes. Those
Unknown Speaker 44:38
Claiborne's? Yes. They grew up with a family.
Speaker 2 44:42
Family. Yeah, yeah. These are the photos that go on. When she Yes. So we bought Oh, and then we'll give you three copies of Oh, this one because it's beautiful. Because
Unknown Speaker 45:03
if this isn't great
Unknown Speaker 45:07
oh my goodness can I copy this?
Unknown Speaker 45:09
Yes Yes
Speaker 1 45:17
Oh, Aren't they wonderful? Okay, I'll give Judy one Yeah. Oh and I'll give my daughter one I have my another daughter is going to be here next week so
Unknown Speaker 45:34
did you think of you taking the photos out one star so are you might come round tomorrow when everything back to you? Well, I feel I feel you know if I've got to really
Speaker 1 45:53
just know Don't worry, I know that you've got it I'm gonna get ready and you know even so, I know that you will take care of I will do.
Speaker 2 46:06
So this is Sydney. This is Sydney's stepchildren that no No, no
Unknown Speaker 46:10
sir Oscars.
Speaker 2 46:13
So some other so that your generation? Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 46:17
And those are step he married a lady who had two sons, and these two sons grew up with the I think you've got this picture of all of us.
Unknown Speaker 46:28
I don't think we have well, yeah. Have you seen that one? Oh, no. Oh,
Speaker 1 46:32
that's wonderful. That's my, that's myself and my three daughters. So
Speaker 2 46:37
So that's Judy. Lynn.
Speaker 1 46:42
Let me see. Here is Judy. And Tara is her daughter. Tara is is Lynn's daughter, Lynn's daughter. Yes. Okay, so that is Tara and Lynn to take us down.
Speaker 2 46:56
Yes. Tara. Yeah, then
Unknown Speaker 47:00
is Lynn's daughter. She just says one child.
Speaker 2 47:04
Tara, so this is this is Lynn This is Tara.
Unknown Speaker 47:08
And that's Judy. And the next one is Deanna Deanna
Unknown Speaker 47:15
and that's that's one of your children. No,
Unknown Speaker 47:17
that's one of my Bonnie's.
Speaker 2 47:21
That's funny. Because I didn't recognize that photo there. So that's funny. Yeah. And that the name was Diana. Deanna. Thank you. And then we've got
Speaker 1 47:37
and if you can't see it, but Bernie's other daughter, that's her head there. Her name is Sydney. Sydney. Why the? After the after the dead. So Bernie has three children. She has Brandon Vienna
Speaker 2 47:59
and Sydney. Sydney. Ah, so that's yes. So that's Bonnie's chunk. Yeah. And Lynn has just and then just
Unknown Speaker 48:12
asked her yes.
Unknown Speaker 48:17
And Judy, and this is an
Speaker 1 48:20
Oh, that's my Great. Great. Let me see. I think there's my great granddaughter. That is Diana's daughter. Yes. That makes Yes. That's
Unknown Speaker 48:34
what's her name?
Speaker 1 48:35
Her name is Holly. Ha ll E. Yeah. Yes, yeah, I guess it is like Yeah. liberi Yeah, like she's. She's grown now. She's about 10 or 12. Wow. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 48:53
That's lovely. I love you.
Unknown Speaker 48:55
You know that was in a driftwood. They took
Unknown Speaker 48:58
this a beautiful one. Well, we will if we
Speaker 1 49:06
if you lose that one of all of us together and orange it's already.
Unknown Speaker 49:30
I take such terrible pictures, honestly.
Unknown Speaker 49:35
So when was it that you actually came back from
Unknown Speaker 49:39
1978 Dad died in 1978.
Speaker 2 49:42
And so you're coming back to look after your mom. Yes. Yeah. That was one of my questions that
Speaker 3 49:54
what what year? Were you born? 2121. Yes. Are
Unknown Speaker 50:05
you if you were born in Vancouver
Speaker 1 50:09
my mother was born in but here's the picture if you want that, do you think you'd be
Unknown Speaker 50:13
oh yes, that's lovely.
Speaker 1 50:14
Nice to know when I was about. I guess I must have been 75 Something like that you don't age at all. You're quite
Speaker 1 50:49
here's a picture, an old picture. My brother, my sister and I are sitting on a car.
Unknown Speaker 51:02
Gosh. Oh, look at that one.
Unknown Speaker 51:04
Oh, that must be very old.
Speaker 2 51:08
Look at the house. Yeah. I mean the car. Yeah.
Speaker 1 51:12
He came up from California. He always came up in a different car. And we were all sitting on it. We thought oh, that was something in Vancouver
Unknown Speaker 51:31
and this this is this is the
Speaker 1 51:33
is you? Yes, that's me. And Yvonne, Yvonne. And yeah, why vo in any
Speaker 2 51:43
city? Yes. We call them little. Yeah, I think this will help us to fill in some faces on on the tree. We'll give you another copy of it. Oh,
Unknown Speaker 51:54
great. Okay.
Speaker 2 51:56
We don't have those faces. Watering the tree. Look at this. Oh, yeah. I don't remember this one.
Speaker 1 52:08
No, that's very okay. I'm gonna say my brother, Sandy had a daughter. And her name is Cheryl flavoring. And she lives in Chilliwack. And she, this is her mother. This is a picture of her mother with my mother.
Unknown Speaker 52:35
So this is Sydney's Sydney. And he said his
Speaker 1 52:38
mother in law. Mother and mother in law. Yeah. And I would wish I had a picture handy of Cheryl. And I will look and I'll find one and give it to you. Yes.
Speaker 2 52:50
So that was because that Yes. We don't have that. Lovely. So he has a daughter. His daughter was
Unknown Speaker 52:59
called Cheryl. Cheryl. Cheryl show? Yes. Okay. Cheryl Claiborne. Good smoking. So I think that's that's those
Speaker 2 53:22
tend to be to put another branch on the street, which is wonderful.
Unknown Speaker 53:28
I don't know if you want that the house.
Speaker 2 53:34
Stopford house. Yes, this dark house. Yeah. So I had it wrong. I had thought that the stocks moved from Vesuvius to start growth to fruit plant, but it was run the other way, wasn't it? No, no, that's
Speaker 1 53:48
right. You're right. Oh, they came to fruit way off. First. Yes. And then they left there and moved in land where there was no water? Because
Speaker 2 54:00
they've been frightened to fall. Yes, ISIS. That's right. So they did. Yes, I know. I had it wrong. I had I had that they went from Vesuvius to Stark and Fruitvale. But they went from from Vesuvius to Fruitvale to start Yes. Yeah. I had that wrong. Yes. So this is the this is the house. Yes. And does your daughter live there? Yes. That's why Judy lives at lives. Yes, I think we have this photo Do you want do you want the original copy? Oh, we've got this far. Right. That's and that's your parents? Yes.
Speaker 1 54:30
Yes, sir. Find another picture of the house. But you do have a picture of the farmhouse don't you? We've
Unknown Speaker 54:37
been we've just got that picture. I think the house I think was the only one we've got
Speaker 1 54:43
is their array. Yes. If I see another one. Lucky Yeah, give it to anything in here. If you had the time I will tell you going in and look through because there is a lot of stuff. You've
Unknown Speaker 54:58
got a lot of money. What is It's wonderful that you're keeping it.
Speaker 1 55:01
Well. Yeah. You know, I keep everything and yeah, and articles and but there may be something here. Let me see.
Unknown Speaker 55:14
Oh, this this,
Speaker 1 55:15
oh, this is a picture of them in Nanaimo. That is the grave of Lewis Stark. Oh, and these were people who were honoring him for his contributions in Nanaimo. Here is the article.
Speaker 2 55:31
Oh, it's so they Oh, no, we haven't got anything. So. So this is actually that's in that is in Nanaimo?
Speaker 1 55:43
Yes. And they let me see the school in the cranberry district. They have a monument, a monument. And it's got Stark written on it. And they had a big celebration. We went up there about
Speaker 2 56:01
two three years ago. So that photo to see it. Yeah, yeah. Those picture of you and yeah, Judy. Oh, you saw that. I saw the picture. Oh, so good. Yes. Okay. Yeah, yes. And so it's
Speaker 3 56:16
very cool in Nanaimo, in Nanaimo. Oh,
Speaker 2 56:19
yeah, yeah, so the picture I saw somewhere I've forgotten even more, so. But I haven't seen this.
Speaker 1 56:24
I haven't either. I don't know where the cemetery is in. But it says here, the cemetery in Nanaimo? Yes. So one of these days and find it. Yeah, yeah. One lady bought me an apple. That was Uncle. I mean, my grandfather had planted an apple off of an apple tree. And it was this big. It was the best apple like have ever eaten. And it was this big, and they're still grind. Oh, the fruit trees that he planted. They're still married. Here. I don't have any trees left. Isn't that amazing?
Unknown Speaker 57:00
There's no, there's no trees on the I
Speaker 1 57:02
had three. And they're all what was that bone delete them up? A few years ago. And they've never come back. Worms. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 57:15
Well mapped over this.
Speaker 1 57:18
Hairy Burton has some trees left on this property and there's nothing they didn't bother too much of his property for that, that Miami Oh my goodness. When he says that a lot of the property down there and Fulford area was destroyed by those worms within
Speaker 2 57:42
the name of it. Yeah. I was going to want questions, mostly from here is we got a picture of three little children. So that's and we didn't we've got the most any will. Somebody asked SDS wondering whether they would Jackson's children because it's it said I can find it. It has it has it on the website listed as as I'll show you the one we've got she that's
Speaker 1 58:17
a beautiful book. I can't believe it. You know, the idea of not having a bunch of pictures. It's just perfect.
Speaker 2 58:27
It's this one. So it says world. Yes. And SDS. Is that Jackson's children? That's that was our question. Annie? Yeah, Annie. That's right. Well, Annie,
Unknown Speaker 58:42
I know what I'm gonna have to call him and ask him.
Unknown Speaker 58:47
This so Jackson, I don't owe
Speaker 1 58:49
him you know what he did? He lives in Toronto. He He wired your place and got a lot of pictures. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 58:57
Richard will tell him he can get better quality ones if you
Speaker 1 59:02
Okay. All right. Thank you always wonder if this is. Will Francis Annie?
Speaker 2 59:15
And I think it's as this we think it's Esther's too. But we didn't know whose children they were.
Unknown Speaker 59:21
No.
Speaker 2 59:25
It looks like an old photo. That's why we wondered if it was Jackson's children. I
Speaker 1 59:29
will call him and ask him if he's got it. And if I've got it, I'll send it to him. And he usually just they send them back and forth all the time. And he has a historian this Oh, and she lives nearby. So I do most of my talking to her. But and you know, and he is my he's my first one. No, he's my second cousin, I guess. Because his mother was my mother's cousin cousin. So that was right. Got my second cousin? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, oh, gosh, I wish he may if he says if we, if his health tips, he may come out here. How am I supposed to say he's 91? And he's about six foot three. Wow, very tall man. He must have made a good
Speaker 2 1:00:20
placement. So this is and so this is your generation, but second cousins. Yeah. So he's he's, you've got the essays that your your great, great grandparents? Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:00:31
But like, you can imagine my shock when he called up and said Granny, Granny Stark with his ad. I was so shocked. And I was delighted to think that there is somebody else attached to my ancestors. Yes, this is wonderful. So we're on the phone. Maybe every week we call about something. So I'm going to call him about you guys coming in getting this information, because now he hasn't got that information yet about? I haven't sent it to him about the census. Oh, yes. Well, the guy in their freedom. Yes. And so when you send it back? Oh, well,
Speaker 2 1:01:16
we'll copy it for you as well. Oh, give you another copy. So you can send it? Oh, we can do that. Once it's on the website, they can actually Oh, download it.
Speaker 1 1:01:28
Oh, well, then listen, you can do that you want me to get well? No, no. Oh, give me his email. Oh,
Unknown Speaker 1:01:36
yes. Give us his email. Okay, let's
Unknown Speaker 1:01:38
see, no. No, what did I do with that?
Speaker 2 1:01:43
No, give us his email. That would be wonderful. We can we can actually send them a copy count for
Unknown Speaker 1:01:55
see?
Speaker 3 1:02:01
And if he is on the website, if you give him the number under each picture, there's a number of you give him the number. He knows exactly what you're talking about.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:12
Oh, yeah. Oh, I see. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:29
Okay.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:37
All I have is oh, I just have his phone number here. I've gotten this email somewhere. I'll look it up. Yes, I'll
Speaker 2 1:02:56
bring I'll bring this back. And you can give it to me at that point if you'd like. Or if he wants as well?
Speaker 1 1:03:04
Yes, I'll look at that. Because all I have here is his phone number.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:11
This is just wonderful.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:12
Okay, good.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:16
I got so much information here. Oh,
Speaker 1 1:03:18
I'm sure I'm glad. Yeah. But you know what I tell everybody, you know, I don't have much time left. And I'm just glad all of this is being compiled before I go. So that your family? Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:03:33
yeah. That's wonderful that you're keeping it is this. Is there somebody in the next generation who's showing interest you're doing? Well? Yes.
Speaker 1 1:03:42
Judy is a good speaker. And she if she wants to go and speak and talk about the family history, she can because she has all the informations. Yes. And Lynne is coming up Lynn is the youngest. She will and I'll have to give you a picture of her. She's coming up next week. Oh, I may have to take a picture of her. Will
Speaker 2 1:04:10
you one of those pictures had Lynn and her daughter there? Yes. T shirts. Yes. That
Speaker 1 1:04:16
was our family reunion. Anyway, Lynn will be up Lynn owns the house that Myrtle Holloman had the one on the water in in the other side of Mountain View. Right there. That house Holloman house. Anti Mart lifted two men. So we rent it on the landlord. We rent that and it's been rented ever since she died so yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, she will be delighted to see this Who? Oh, will she be happy? In fact, he is the one who is American. All of my children are American. And she is the only one who was allowed to become a Canadian citizen. have no problems. She's the youngest of my children. They pass the law where the other two cannot. They cannot become Canadian citizens without going to the whole
Unknown Speaker 1:05:27
Yes. Immigration thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:05:32
Yeah, but she's the only one I live. Now. She has her Canadian citizen. So she's
Unknown Speaker 1:05:36
got dual citizenship.
Speaker 1 1:05:38
Let's Yeah. And I'm hoping what I'm praying for is that she will come and live in that house. And stay in Canada.
Unknown Speaker 1:05:46
And so the house is on Matthews. Yes.
Speaker 1 1:05:49
Corner. Mel. Have you and Walker and Walker book? Yes. And it's one to the third house from Mel. Have you going toward Fernwood?
Unknown Speaker 1:06:02
Oh, so it's actually on walkers. So I'm always walking up
Speaker 1 1:06:07
there you'll see a fence a white or what? Whites? No, it's the white. The board's about this big. Oh, yes. You can't miss it. Okay. Can't miss it.
Speaker 2 1:06:18
Okay. And it's a huge house, just sort of on the corner, but you're saying yes.
Speaker 1 1:06:23
And you would see it would be? Let me see one. Two? Is the third house. Okay. Yeah. Third.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:35
I will look at it and take a picture. Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:06:37
She, she's got a lot of pictures of the house. But she owns that. And I just keep praying that she will come live here. I want somebody else up here to get them all children?
Unknown Speaker 1:06:51
Well, maybe the pattern will be the same as for you that you live with your parents. Well, that's wonderful.
Speaker 1 1:07:07
Draw a look here? Oh, really,
Speaker 2 1:07:12
we do. Because we're going to scan all of this, I put it up on the website. And also, I've got to take down my notes properly.
Speaker 1 1:07:21
You know, I still got to look for, you know, when Lewis died, he sent this letter in his will in his will he said he was going to leave a Silvia $1 Because she left his bed and board without due cause Yes, it's all written like that on this little thing. And we just laugh about it all the time. I listen
Unknown Speaker 1:07:43
to Frank has a recording of you talk. And you were talking about leptin? Yes, we would like to tweet,
Speaker 1 1:07:54
so. And so. And as soon as I find it, I'll let you know. As you can see, I have so much
Speaker 2 1:08:02
you do? You do? And we've just made a mess for you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:08:07
Because I have some things in there that are not pertaining to, to the history. And that was in that group was that those orange sweaters there? They'll see that picture. Oh, this one? Yeah, that was the this report. This
Speaker 2 1:08:21
is the same last week. Yes. She gave us this photo. So we which we don't have no, which is all the daughters and the granddaughters and the great granddaughter? 2005 Yes. Yeah, we probably haven't scanned it. It was we're in the middle of scanning all the back. Oh, yeah. So we've probably just haven't,
Speaker 3 1:08:43
I think we keep this weekend or keep that.
Speaker 1 1:08:49
You know, I feel like I'm still concerned because I've had many friends come here from all over people who are interested in the history as well. And there's nothing down at the Visitor's Bureau that says anything about our history. And you know, I was telling my daughter I said you know we need to go down there and inform them that we were are here and the only black family from Saltspring No, we need to let them know some of our history you maybe they will when
Speaker 2 1:09:23
we could certainly when we've got we've got this the collection on the website that people can see oh, yeah, we could make something up couldn't we for them?
Speaker 1 1:09:32
Oh, would you because you didn't know. And now these the my my friends, they're not black, they're all white, and they want to know the history and they don't have any. They said Nene, we went to the visitors bureau. There was nothing. So I just wondered how to get this knowledge to them. How would I do that? I don't know. I don't know. Um, We were going to go down there, but I mean, they're not in charge. They're just people that weren't. Yeah.
Speaker 3 1:10:05
Yeah. Students different students every time or so.
Speaker 2 1:10:09
Yes. So the visitor center in downtown downtown. Yeah. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:10:17
Good Susan. And Barb. Yeah, we've
Speaker 2 1:10:19
got two of our members who work there. We could talk to them about and find out who's in charge. Yes, maybe. And we could certainly put something together from the website. This is the this is the website information. And the, and we've got a little right up here on Sylvia at least, yes.
Unknown Speaker 1:10:36
The main thing is
Speaker 2 1:10:39
about her. Yeah, that's right. And then we've got some you can see that. We've got the family tree now extended, which is lovely. I'm so pleased about that. Oh, that's just wonderful.
Speaker 1 1:10:52
I'm glad that you did some good years. Oh, yeah. Cuz I just said, Well, I'll let you have what we've got. That is so beautiful.
Unknown Speaker 1:11:00
Oh, good. I'm pleased that you love it.
Unknown Speaker 1:11:05
Now, did you get all of that that
Speaker 2 1:11:06
you're taking with? I did is I put it all in here. So I won't we'll we'll scan it and then we'll we'll be leaving this figure.
Speaker 1 1:11:15
Oh, you are? Oh, okay. Oh, thank you.
Unknown Speaker 1:11:19
Say Frank put that together.
Speaker 1 1:11:21
Oh, gee, Frank, I can't believe that that is so beautiful. Is something we can have forever. We'll just say that forever. Oh, my gosh. Well,
Speaker 2 1:11:31
I'm saying that this is all the information we've got on the website. Oh, so if you see anything that's wrong in there, or that when you do let us know.
Speaker 1 1:11:45
It's just that little bit of concern about Abraham. Uncle. We call him uncle labor. I didn't even know him. But it we were always referring to him as Uncle AIG. And I could swear that that was my my mother's brother. Okay,
Speaker 2 1:12:03
so that that would be that you're not sure that he's not a bit as well. Then that's the one who died young. Yes. Yeah. We've got him down this out. So that can be a mistake. And we've got a bit. I know, there wasn't a bit this generation. You've
Speaker 1 1:12:19
got a powered Wallace. Yes. And that's, that is who I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 1:12:24
Ah, but so this is your this is your mother's generation? Yes. Yep. Granny Wallace's children. Right.
Speaker 1 1:12:31
Yeah, that's her children. You know what? The name is just Well, I don't know where it came from.
Speaker 2 1:12:38
I was gonna say, Well, maybe that was his second name or something. So you think he was actually named after this generation?
Speaker 1 1:12:45
Yes. Yeah. You know, in those days, they ain't like Hannah. There's five or six?
Speaker 2 1:12:50
Absolutely. Yeah. And Serena, we still do. We still do.
Speaker 1 1:12:55
Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I'm certainly concerned about this. Vincent giannone. Oh,
Speaker 2 1:13:00
well, I guess let me make a note out. I will actually bring you what I've got for that. Oh, this is so this is me. I added that. Oh, yeah. Because I found a marriage certificate. BC archives. Yeah, that was my my bit of research. So I'll bring that for you. So out of this marriage certificate of that was of Hana. Serena. And it funnily enough, it says an Serena, sir. Yeah, so maybe it's not that no, it's got to be the same person. It was the same to Vincent. Anatomy. Okay, I will find we'll find that for you.
Speaker 1 1:13:47
I just don't know. I've never heard of it before. And then you've got Abraham, another Abraham Stark and we don't have a picture of him. I don't have I didn't have anything yet of him. No,
Speaker 2 1:14:02
we didn't find a picture at all. He's He's a buried in central graveyard. Yeah. And he was on a couple of censuses to died quite young. So I don't look around. That's, that's Silvius. One of so yes, yes. Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:14:18
I'll look around and see if I can find anything
Speaker 2 1:14:28
so much. Yeah. Really, really appreciated. Well,
Speaker 1 1:14:31
I do too. Gosh. This is very, very interesting. And, you know, the thing is, my daughter and I, we got to try. We just couldn't do anything ourselves. We just don't have the wherewithal. I don't have a computer. I just have this little one. Yeah. You know, you bought that for me a couple of months ago. So I'm just learning. Learning
Speaker 3 1:15:02
So I guess we might have to rethink about tomorrow because I'm going to Victoria.
Unknown Speaker 1:15:09
Oh, you're going to Victoria. Okay,
Unknown Speaker 1:15:11
I'm in no hurry now yet so
Speaker 2 1:15:13
I feel as if we've got something very precious. Yeah, take your time
Speaker 1 1:15:21
with everything so don't try to rush rush rush isn't going anywhere okay and don't hesitate to call if you know if you use any more information I'll just look for it
Speaker 2 1:15:37
nothing. Yes and I might have to I've taken notes there may have been some secret I've got it it's not just me. This is unrelated
