Salt Spring Island Archives
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| Date | 2004 | ||
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| duration | 51 minutes |
333_Ernie-Rice_created-2005.mp3
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11.03.2024
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Unknown Speaker 0:03
So yeah, I guess it's a way to begin. You can tell us about your family and its connections to adults.
Unknown Speaker 0:15
I told them yeah.
Speaker 1 0:21
My grandmother's sister. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She was. She got married to seen as Amber. Johnny, Johnny Brandenburger.
Unknown Speaker 0:35
Oh, he had an Indian name.
Unknown Speaker 0:39
He's the real CMS. It's
Unknown Speaker 0:42
so weird that name from
Unknown Speaker 0:45
from Saltspring Island. Wow. He's the original original owner of this Yong Yong sceners instance that he he had white blood item that he spoke with.
Speaker 1 1:05
With native language he spoke. My grandmother grant and she never went to school. And she used to speak Indian all the time. Like Thomas Lauder, Jerry and Vicki and Mary. And I heard that girl's name she might she has about six or seven kids, I guess.
Unknown Speaker 1:41
What was what was Phyllis to the fattened workers?
Speaker 1 1:47
Grand grandparents?
Speaker 2 1:52
No, Phyllis, was she one of the sisters?
Speaker 1 1:55
No, no, no. Phyllis was well, there's grant brown the Walters a daughter okay.
Unknown Speaker 2:02
She married
Unknown Speaker 2:13
he lives in in whereabouts on Saltspring
Speaker 1 2:16
beaver point or
Speaker 3 2:28
you mentioned it earlier I recognize that name snow Yeah. Now when you say Do they live with the Infoprint they're
Speaker 1 2:41
just outside of faux fur just have a beam of light that will be refined is another side that's why they live apart
Speaker 2 2:53
when I first went there there was a fun there there was no
Unknown Speaker 2:59
I didn't know how many acres he had. And that was $1 an acre $2 An acre so I'm like I had one
Speaker 1 3:12
of these cargo ships three years he was on a cargo ship you no longer vote.
Unknown Speaker 3:22
And he came and he bought the land. He had horses cows sheep read lots of sheep and he had lots of apple orchard and used to pick apples and and he used to go to rallies these Island these look for herons and things like that and they traded for apples and herons and he's
Speaker 1 4:07
dry he's herons he had lots seen as the new was a it was a one cookers fish really dry fish it is to go and get hundreds and hundreds of by now from Japanese
Speaker 3 4:36
yeah, I've never heard that name. So that's an ancient name associated with salts frame.
Unknown Speaker 4:43
CMA system
Speaker 3 4:53
now there's a reserve today at Fulford harbour and it's it's registered under the Saanich but we've heard that it also was used by Cowichan people you guys remember well
Unknown Speaker 5:07
I got clams and I we stayed in Fulford harbour and did nice water and basically Anita them oh man came over he questioned me and I started telling them my great grandma My Grandpa Grandpa senior system commerce prime burger and LM days
Speaker 2 5:44
like most places they call reverse goldstream and all over like a cap on Indian tea is ultra tried to one day smoke their fish are trying whenever they went to different lacking Oyster Bay or Gulf Stream when the fish went up the river Indians camps were famous the islands they went there
Speaker 3 6:18
to go so when you say they had a fake they were places restricted to certain families could anybody go use a place or no? Can you tell me more about that sort of system?
Unknown Speaker 6:30
No
Speaker 3 6:34
oh it was both out on the sea you had a placement filter could anybody go there it was it only certain families
Speaker 1 6:41
anybody go that's open like that's open for anybody you can take anything away from from that place can touch anything you go there and stay there and leave without taking anything and that's that's the reward little
Speaker 2 7:07
cabins there were some of the people in the camp for springtime they pick they fish like there was a point like all over for people to go camping for their food
Speaker 3 7:28
so when you think of Saltspring what what were the main reasons people went out there how did they use resources there
Unknown Speaker 7:39
are people out there
Unknown Speaker 7:41
yeah can you tell us about the native people who lived on Saltspring you remember
Speaker 2 7:48
like he told me story a year from your family but Georgia Yeah. who married from the Georgia
Speaker 1 8:05
the walkway I was was see your childhood dolphin was my grandfather. And he married the walkway sister in College in Santa Monica the
Speaker 1 8:41
I get along together you go there and tell her who you are and they tell you oh you build your camp over there. And some people stay there for a long time and make up the living like fishing clan diggin hunting
Unknown Speaker 9:01
they used to do their hunting during this time of the year beginning of summer the soccer free soccer deer everything there is no there is no can cover anything they don't buy anything like that.
Speaker 3 9:32
So would you have any idea who heard grand great grandparents names would be Susanna George and Mary Knoxville.
Speaker 4 9:40
Native names. Would you know their native names?
Unknown Speaker 9:45
That George got married. Are you talking about this for you? Maybe that married? Yeah. He was a JOY Yeah, I remember you telling me is there a common that comes from that?
Speaker 3 10:08
Yeah. You know that this was his grandmother. You said your granddad married her sister and we can't remember her name
Unknown Speaker 10:24
walk we actually forward
Unknown Speaker 10:29
leaseholds
Unknown Speaker 10:34
remember her name?
Speaker 3 10:37
George is she married a German guy? Yeah. cray cray yeah
Speaker 1 10:51
we're playing soccer against the guy from the south spring and I was praying for the Cooper Island people and I didn't know he understand and I was telling one of the glory Lamech as high as could come on ahead I was saying because you're like missed he said, Gee, I have been so sorry. I'm sorry Come on. I was talking Indian. Yeah.
Speaker 2 11:25
You were telling me it was the half that I can't remember his name no. Please the contact together so I met some of those people out there. And we stayed with moody when we camped out there
Unknown Speaker 11:43
where did you find it?
Unknown Speaker 11:44
Oh over like
Unknown Speaker 11:50
Oh, wow. Cool. Um, do you remember the name for Walker's book Yeah, what very name All right buddy. Hickman.
Unknown Speaker 12:13
Yeah
Unknown Speaker 12:22
it's a good cloudy yeah that's where I live
Unknown Speaker 12:32
to learn to learn at
Speaker 2 12:38
restaurants go to all the time out there and I didn't know that at night for me was sleep Rita. Rita got
Speaker 4 12:44
it she got her yesterday
Speaker 2 12:49
doing I remember when we got out there and my kids were little family got
Unknown Speaker 12:56
to go eat yeah
Speaker 3 13:02
do you recall some of the place names over there something were very like root canal chance is the name for that place
Speaker 2 13:15
the names you know on top spring you can you name them
Speaker 1 13:21
name for the bass players who want to
Speaker 2 13:29
remember any of them yeah it's really just trying to find out
Speaker 1 13:39
there's a place and you know beaver points this way. And there's some of the islands there 123 And the last little island is Bitcoin people. People about Savannah that little I have done talking about painful people pull up. Pete Hello. Hola. Hola. Hola, UK. Yeah, okay. What does that mean? Well, even even the tide is out or out. Down. And I was for money. We'll see the head of this Phil reef. See the head and because the collapse
Speaker 3 14:46
in Kwinana, chair over on the other side, just kind of visualize where that is. Yeah, this is two little rocky islands was a bigger island. I'm Russell Ireland
Speaker 3 15:10
peace walk is peaceful. Is the little one. Yeah. LAUGHTER It's a rock.
Unknown Speaker 15:19
It's flat. Really? You go by there and you come by there and y'all see something happening Have you studied and Watson is the PICC line for our military
Speaker 3 15:42
bases for per year and central point there and then there's some little rock islands here and then there's a big island out here and there's a little rock over there.
Unknown Speaker 15:52
Is it weird to reserve reserve
Unknown Speaker 15:58
I'm not very far from Cessna
Unknown Speaker 16:01
on this side
Speaker 4 16:03
I don't think that's what we we call it Skull Island that's its other name is Jackson rock I think if you're not gonna marine now that we I grew up in that area and we call it Skull Island. I would have got that from my grandparents
Unknown Speaker 16:28
they have these two islands
Speaker 3 16:31
little rocks in there apparently burials on one of them
Unknown Speaker 16:34
yeah yeah right
Unknown Speaker 16:45
well that's right I've never heard that name and there other names around there you recall
Unknown Speaker 16:55
yeah
Unknown Speaker 17:01
when I was big lamp and it was my late uncle Sandy Porky and we stopped have lunch in on and he tells me the name of the island name of the reef and he had names for a really long island every little base around Salt Springs there's no English names come on through Fulford harbour where the ferry comes in and because for hola hola, hola. Me kidneys float. And that's the main point that when the theory comes into improving those around 1.0 Yeah.
Speaker 3 17:58
Is it all point? Yeah, okay. Oh,
Unknown Speaker 18:02
hello. Hello.
Speaker 3 18:07
That's very similar to the one you just mentioned isn't the difference. Yeah.
Speaker 3 18:19
And that name conjures up what what is why is that mean?
Speaker 1 18:23
What is the cause? Even though it's not blonde or anything and even though it's an I believe he you see because meaning to the island not a meeting to the reefs. If you study it, yeah, you got to study it. You don't just sit on a chalkboard.
Unknown Speaker 18:52
I know what you mean it comes from experience. So are you saying this is where the names came from like
Speaker 3 18:59
people knowing that the land and yeah like it's you've heard that I've heard of a name for Fulford. cornet next, or Kwinana in the Spanish language. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 19:16
cool, man. That's yeah.
Unknown Speaker 19:20
Could you give me an idea what that word means? Some
Unknown Speaker 19:25
Java was empty. It was empty. I was empty
Unknown Speaker 19:31
Why would always be empty
Speaker 1 19:39
way my late uncle was telling me that they were hunting the go there the stop hunt. Yeah, let's move out of there. MTV can't Cannan it's bad.
Unknown Speaker 19:57
For deer Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 19:59
The human
Speaker 3 20:12
so the word intelligent people that there we come across the name of the game and Indian Charlie and Penny lived on a reserved air and they disappeared they made until like back in the 20s never any
Speaker 1 20:26
like change the story now the Canadians go to Yakima Washington pick up say that he's gonna pick up and then who need them people to give them blankets nice clothes people are so happy to get new blankets and new clothes and some of them don't live very long and they get sick and they ran away they travel on a canoe that's why there's law people they found in all over the islands all over us all spring canal acapella Valdez do you look for a spot to stay there? Nobody can touch him because it's contagious. Measles? No Okay. It was very dangerous
Speaker 2 21:38
one story I heard was like some of the places like Saltspring Walker's look like they're talking about a burial ground Well there's one in two main Cooper Island stories my grandfather told me that if he is stripped or someone behind like a tremendous need for the for the agency the way because they have these big work news come from north to fight for anything from this week. They declined but some of them killed their their stereo ground so over that spot to hide when they could hear my grandfather told me story his mother told him he was a baby they traveled by boat that canoes they have no a lot of time he was told that they were coming home from their night and the herd Can you come in here so my grandfather's parents went under these trees by the water and they went in there and he the way mother had she was breastfeeding she fed them so he wouldn't cry they could hear this article by guiding on their mind big war communities
Unknown Speaker 23:11
from up north we remember that story wanted to tell him when he told us while
Unknown Speaker 23:22
I was working with come from up north there was a spot that you keep reading call it yes but that's where the Indian feeling when they hate you could hear them when they're not yeah but like they have a spotlight into American comedy elements in one spot and
Unknown Speaker 23:51
refuse to play so there'd be an Indian name for that kind of place
Speaker 2 23:58
where the Indians either way when they're here that was penniless come in with what they called on where they hide
Unknown Speaker 24:05
or stash
Speaker 2 24:14
every reserve on here really big time on some things here but they'll people never said anything. But now they're here and yeah, we can
Unknown Speaker 24:31
find both.
Speaker 3 24:36
So this mountain that we see from here, I mean, you can get a good view of Saltspring here and that's shallot swaying,
Speaker 1 24:44
because that way Yeah. Internet what does that mean conjure up what does it mean? The tide never goes down. So
Speaker 3 25:05
okay, so it had sort of described as a delayed amount
Unknown Speaker 25:09
okay
Speaker 3 25:12
that's a significant I've heard that people used to make perhaps trained at their spiritual training. Yeah, well
Speaker 1 25:21
see, see this tunnel up here for the train it's always been and they return the train to blast and something happens so they drilled it took a whole year to drill that once it goes through and that's still the same a
Speaker 2 25:51
lot of things like that there's marketing there's for training and things like that
Speaker 3 26:01
yes, I understand. I mean, I know that Yeah, I know the importance of training it's just I think it's also important to know where people went just you know, like
Unknown Speaker 26:11
you know what they know what is
Speaker 3 26:15
no Yeah, I understand one secret stuff that we've also heard a story associated that mountain of this story and say hey looking probably know that story here
Speaker 3 26:38
they wouldn't call that place to hear that name you used up there
Speaker 1 26:56
you know, when my grandmother holonomic pieces rice, and I was about 12 years old and tremendous. And, um, she used to sit beside me. She's always making or making maps or something. And she always had a story. What she was told when she was a little girl and
Speaker 1 27:32
I met her story. First time like this man, my grandfather George rice. He was from school corpsman stays parental Angeles. Yeah. Nice liquid man. And she got measles got sick intravenous hospital shoshi he stayed in the hospital for about a month when the ship left and these Georgia risers just walking around and my grandmother was walking and these nine waiting grew deeper to work they went together for two three months
Speaker 1 28:27
and he had money so there's an island just across Cooper island with a call the rice island now yeah
Speaker 1 28:45
and he he bought a tea but I forgot I wasn't very much money so paying tax returns to the non Indians who were warned I couldn't stay I couldn't come home here I couldn't stay in Cooper Island couldn't stay in Duncan. We're done I am non status
Unknown Speaker 29:16
I had a quite a history with the PRI barista come see me. Talk to me about names in the names. Different names Indian names. Each family like your grandmother, your grandmother. Like your grandmother. Like you film your grandmother. We pick it out. And the Indian names always comes from a lady not from Oh man. You And a lady stands up and says okay see an Indian name is very important and first thing the old timers asked who was the grandmother who was the great grandmother? Right away?
Unknown Speaker 30:26
They know who you are
Unknown Speaker 30:30
and they named the lady and they that's legal you can't Yeah
Unknown Speaker 30:42
it's funny now they they fight over names they come some come here and ask me I just laugh because I don't know nothing
Speaker 3 30:59
Yeah, I don't know nothing, because they're just gonna write over the information here because in the old days, everybody would know this stuff, wouldn't it? Yeah, you wouldn't be the only guy is everybody knows who these names were.
Unknown Speaker 31:14
Well they get the ladies and let the ladies speak for themselves. And the ladies okay no five ignores no nothing nothing gotta be kindly noted anything pretty hot
Speaker 3 31:43
so, so like her great grandmother, Mary Maxwell. Would they be any names? I mean, would her name be preserved anywhere? She must have had anything in the mail Yeah. Do you know what might be here?
Unknown Speaker 31:56
Saltspring Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 32:01
To give them time to think yeah
Unknown Speaker 32:07
yes, she was
Speaker 3 32:09
she was coming from climates I know I don't know if you think she was related to cochlea maybe yeah.
Speaker 1 32:22
Well, might as well like pre voting on all those. So here I am and all these people they're all in one family. And my grandmother was youngest. This is Alex Peter. My mother's mother that's why I'm a little late to the George's Yeah, I'm related to you guys related you guys my cousin raises a year you're concerned that you got a short ass
Unknown Speaker 33:07
too short
Speaker 4 33:10
because Anna wasn't five feet tall. I think she was four foot eight yeah
Unknown Speaker 33:19
yeah
Unknown Speaker 33:24
yeah
Speaker 1 33:30
history's lotta histories and they put it on a book on the changing changing
Speaker 4 33:40
how could I find out what their names were How can I now go and find out in their in their
Unknown Speaker 33:47
talks to vendors they don't know
Speaker 3 33:55
the new record recognize the name to hawk we got sequin
Unknown Speaker 34:01
to sequence then, yeah.
Speaker 3 34:09
If you didn't know about her, he couldn't remember Suzanne George's name or Mary Maxwell. Their very, very least Mary Max was very good at Georgetown cemetery. She lived on Saltspring and left and went back to live with the people who haven't been able to find much information about her
Speaker 2 34:31
maybe go along to that old lady things to call her Esther bear. She was one of the eldest and I don't know who would it be now. We could try it
Unknown Speaker 34:56
if he ever chance Go to Victoria and see the old timers picture there. You might recognize one of those names
Unknown Speaker 35:11
okay whereas in Victoria
Speaker 3 35:22
we actually have we don't have a picture very nice so we had a picture of Suzanna George just the name you can't find me. Would you looking for Indian name?
Speaker 4 35:33
Yeah, her grandmother's name. Her grandmother was a very great grandmother, a great grandmother Mary Maxwell and Susanna draggy Susanna that near the patent burgers
Unknown Speaker 35:54
oh yeah there
Unknown Speaker 35:59
Suzanne I hear a great great to
Unknown Speaker 36:03
see you no SQL you have an M sound at the beginning. Let's see my feet quit secret wow, that's
Speaker 3 36:21
cool. Right we're looking through that name for a long time.
Unknown Speaker 36:26
Supriya
Speaker 3 36:30
Do you remember that because of the where she lives Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 36:34
yeah I remember them yeah
Unknown Speaker 36:40
the secret
Unknown Speaker 36:42
Wow let's see
Speaker 3 36:47
that's obviously a clan clan let's name Yeah, like you said
Unknown Speaker 36:53
let's see Clea
Speaker 3 36:56
so, it's Mary Lynn. I mean, the old name for Verbling is talk club. Isn't it? Qualcomm that's what she lives any name conjured up in that pool corporate athletes Mary Maxwell
Speaker 1 37:14
a lot of people in selling spring and I got to learn them in my own relations and
Unknown Speaker 37:25
remember this one guy he talked to me I can't remember his name
Unknown Speaker 37:31
where did he live
Unknown Speaker 37:36
we could just see him on downtown Salt Springs from I don't see any
Unknown Speaker 37:48
Samson's?
Speaker 1 38:19
Right I mean some of them guys are all gone
Speaker 3 38:27
I know were you one of the last guys because they were
Unknown Speaker 38:32
asking about Rita remember we could
Speaker 2 38:36
restaurant yeah she said she's still there
Unknown Speaker 38:41
oh
Speaker 4 38:44
no, no she's very active she helped in a snowstorm to provide food for the workers working there she used to own what it was called the log cabin
Unknown Speaker 39:02
alright and Hannity's.
Unknown Speaker 39:08
name so many times
Speaker 3 39:11
what what can you folks talk about? Ganges harbour I come across one in the name she halt she hauled?
Unknown Speaker 39:28
In the name for Ganges harbour
Unknown Speaker 39:32
Ganges. Yeah
Unknown Speaker 40:00
The new new
Unknown Speaker 40:11
Ganges harbor
Unknown Speaker 40:12
yeah that's Saanich new work
Unknown Speaker 40:18
with the Santa Fe
Unknown Speaker 40:21
yeah
Speaker 1 40:25
that's covered you know so it needs a head covering no cover covered it the work
Unknown Speaker 40:39
okay so why would they call it that?
Unknown Speaker 40:43
I don't know they there isn't any theory and remain with you and I never asked no you just that's the name that's the name you don't ask
Unknown Speaker 41:03
yeah
Unknown Speaker 41:09
so that would refer to the whole area in there yeah,
Unknown Speaker 41:11
yeah, well,
Speaker 3 41:12
we'd walk oh that's cool. He never heard this word she out she someone told us these to be a canoe Portage between root canal and Ganges used to drag the canoes you know high tide they'd come in and root canal and then take it across the land and go up the harbor you ever heard of that?
Unknown Speaker 41:36
Yeah yeah yeah, that's that's years and years ago
Speaker 3 41:42
yeah way. So you recall the name for this canal long canal goes in and turns to mud flats but it goes right into the island halfway across
Speaker 1 41:59
the birth canal and Ganges you know the the shortcut booklet across there was water when the water comes in me this weekend.
Speaker 3 42:14
Right over there an Indian name for that kind of canoe passage over there. We call it cord ties but really they were probably dragging yeah
Unknown Speaker 42:30
some factoids Demandware like shuts off like a sharp cut in that corner maybe
Unknown Speaker 42:53
Yeah, yeah, sounds like it
Unknown Speaker 43:01
sounds good
Speaker 3 43:06
to have a root canal I'm not going to name for that or any name Jeremy have a CVS area
Unknown Speaker 43:14
Okay, remember to Mani
Speaker 2 43:27
No, no one you go look for this old man Henry Edward. Seems to me yeah,
Speaker 3 43:32
I've met Henry and talked to him when he told me about this can you Yeah, of course. He couldn't quite remember the name
Unknown Speaker 43:43
like he was married to my auntie really? And we can't stop there. There
Unknown Speaker 43:53
was this were you doing this for a calorie or for your own? That's how we make our living Yeah. Cool.
Unknown Speaker 44:00
Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 44:03
So you process the clams right there
Unknown Speaker 44:05
could be a truck
Speaker 2 44:13
or out there and we when we come off the beach and they bought our clients right? Oh, wow. Yeah. We back in Boothbay harbor walk all over
Speaker 1 44:38
we had a nice fast boat. We throw
Unknown Speaker 44:44
a boat did you create a climate
Speaker 1 44:46
18 For Oh yeah, that Kevin. Lots of horses.
Speaker 3 44:53
Per year would you be doing this? Summer, summer low tides you yeah yeah
Speaker 3 45:10
so the people have feel a lot when you were younger yeah they just
Speaker 1 45:16
shouldn't cut their noses or the body yeah,
Unknown Speaker 45:20
it wouldn't eat anymore even for food
Unknown Speaker 45:24
I mean to me my grandmother used to clean it out and then burn it and scrape for for oh yeah coming up I had a seal just once in my life he is in these very good 20s JERRY
Unknown Speaker 45:55
I think that's fat
Unknown Speaker 45:58
while the fat is sick you know
Unknown Speaker 46:01
good for you that's right here people like the flippers yeah steel flippers
Speaker 3 46:12
apparently they used to do a lot of sealing around Ganges harbour Island their class one class one let's say you feel like
Unknown Speaker 46:27
the walkers hook up right in the bay there conjure up a name that play
Unknown Speaker 46:39
I can't remember exactly yeah,
Speaker 3 46:41
sure. Hardly anybody told me it's hard to remember because he stopped going there because he went there all the time. Like you were saying your elders knew names for every little point every little day
Unknown Speaker 47:07
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 47:09
I talked to him a few years ago and we're gonna go see him again and he's
Speaker 3 47:21
very interested in the story that I guess you knew about the gunboats bombarded the village air attack the village years ago be recalling what happened to those people not to use Saltzman quite a bit
Unknown Speaker 47:46
north that we picked up
Unknown Speaker 48:19
what's going on
Unknown Speaker 48:27
we won't keep him any longer Well
Unknown Speaker 48:33
yes, can you come again
Unknown Speaker 48:39
that's a great Yes. great grandmother's maiden
Unknown Speaker 48:48
name disappears.
Unknown Speaker 48:55
Know
Speaker 3 49:02
he, Maori Zealand. Yeah, I'm a member of Nikon, the big tribe. So Thailand, New Zealand. Very similar culture to people here. You know, we miss off the land. And my family made a living traditional way and made enough money to do it. And it's my kind of idea. And if the native people here were allowed access to the traditional foods they always forget. They can see wealthy. Getting the Saturday have first dibs on a Saturday can sell it quick enough. But when he took it all, as you guys know, too well. People got cut off and that was how you made a living. And people don't understand that, you know. That's what we hope to do with this information is to teach quinine on Saltspring because we all want to know You know, we all want to know that the native stuff that they don't do with the right respects you know like you get asked me about spiritual stuff
Speaker 1 50:08
so you're writing something and I live there it Walker's
Speaker 4 50:16
theory again you asked me remember Ernie rice and all these kids out there claiming to be half a year from here
Speaker 2 50:30
No wonder we always want to my kids like they're all grown up now recently one of my boys was going to take a ride on the theory just go through
Unknown Speaker 50:45
Korea to want to go out there and
Unknown Speaker 50:51
we guys should all go out and
Unknown Speaker 50:54
let's see me water work in a fair yet or
Unknown Speaker 51:03
water cancer. Yeah. No. To be really old. Much older than me. He was at school when I was there. Nobody has retired
Speaker 4 51:23
No, Doctor, thank you very much. I really appreciate we will be back. Dad
