Salt Spring Island Archives
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330_Don-Cunningham_Frank Neumann_identifying-old-photos_2017.mp3
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16.02.2024
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Outline
Speaker 1 0:00
You're shocking. Oh, yes. Well remember my father's
Speaker 1 0:13
father, he was just a young boy and my father paid off somehow escaped her their pigpen and they found was his hobbies garden or carrots exceptionally seemed quite nice for them. And Jimmy Stevens, he had a bit of a very quiet nasally voice and I remember my father saying that Stephen came up and said, Excuse me, Mr. Cunningham, but your pages are in Mrs. Harvey's garden. And she's using some very naughty words
Speaker 2 0:58
well, this is what we had on last time. Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:03
Basically their summary like so we can kind of create data for central all is right right about there
Unknown Speaker 1:14
there's reference Wilson's map.
Speaker 1 1:16
Okay. Now that's Reverend Wilson's map. Now. He had the what is now the golf course. And oh, wow, please help you. Yeah, well, I will. Yes. I just had supper. But yeah, we just finished. Oh, yeah. That's dessert. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 1:40
Pretty well.
Speaker 1 1:42
That's the Stevens. Stevens Lake policy. No. Okay, no, what's this? Like?
Speaker 2 1:51
That's both like, yeah. And this is Stevens. No,
Unknown Speaker 1:55
it shouldn't be as wrong around. Oh,
Speaker 2 1:57
maybe. Maybe. Although, this seems like okay,
Speaker 1 2:03
that's Ganges Harbour. It has been reversed. That's upside down. Because there's Ganges Harbor. And that should be over here. Oh,
Speaker 2 2:13
well, should be flipped. Well, somewhere. I have the Google Map transposed over it.
Unknown Speaker 2:23
Because he that's gangee. Tar, but that's on the wrong side. Well,
Speaker 2 2:26
you have to stand on your head.
Speaker 1 2:31
Look at it upside down. Okay. Because basically speaking, that would be down here that would pull a click next to a name Stevens late to it. Now, what would this be that St. Mary's Lake? St. Mary's Lake? Yeah. Okay, so that should be just
Unknown Speaker 2:52
well, you just look at it upside down and this is assuming it's relevant here. Yes,
Speaker 1 3:03
this is applicable. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay, so basically looking at that this being Yes, okay. I can see it now. This being summary they got Kendra Tara. That's bullet bullet lake that Stevens lake. So actually, the central settlement is here. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Now I've got it oriented. He he's kind of he's kind of got it backwards. But then again, he hasn't because now that I've gone into context, yes, that is right.
Unknown Speaker 3:42
Yeah, I think somewhere
Speaker 1 3:47
north because see, you're looking you're looking. You're looking basically if you were an aeroplane you'd be looking in this direction over here like this.
Unknown Speaker 4:01
This is good now. Just find one. One thing I could do a while ago
Unknown Speaker 4:17
okay
Unknown Speaker 4:25
I was looking for Scott house.
Speaker 1 4:29
Okay, now. That's the old Rob Well, I was right here. Is it? No, no, no, not over.
Unknown Speaker 4:39
Let's Scott house. Frank Scott house.
Speaker 1 4:44
Okay. Frank Scott. That'll be out on Long harbor going on long harbor road. No. That
Unknown Speaker 4:49
this was right here.
Speaker 1 4:52
Right here, right here and connect right across from wherever the skateboard park is now. Okay,
Unknown Speaker 5:01
yeah read a dark blue.
Unknown Speaker 5:03
That's right. What is that
Speaker 2 5:06
aerial photograph of 1930 also that thinks that the house was there
Speaker 1 5:13
Okay, so this would be the agriculture have gone to the school the elementary school sets that's Rainbow Road. That again she is right there. Oh, that's I forget it. That's the Laura Ganti upper Ganges, lower Ganges road read along there. Okay. That would be with the mountain Hall is right here. Yeah. This will be okay. Right now the school board ministration building is here. Oh, yeah. And this is on the LM and the elementary school basically would be in that area there. Yeah. Yeah, we got Okay, there it is. That's the old French guide house here. Naturally where the skateboard park is now Yep. And
Speaker 2 6:09
reference Wilson's map again. Yes. But you see there there. No, I got the Google Map. Okay. And post. Mates lake there's a harbor here.
Speaker 1 6:24
But that's Ganges harbor. Yeah. It's kind of us Harbor that to me every day immediately. That Google map
Unknown Speaker 6:36
look like I'm a Google Map.
Speaker 1 6:39
Oh, let's put it like right here. Right there. Yeah. Okay, that polo Cat Stevens and to Mary's so our farm where I grew up as a boy. Go back to the go back to the to the rental automatically again, four days, okay. Okay. It would be from the highway here and it would come back there that whole section was all Oh, I see. That was that was the Cunningham farm. And then later on in 1946. Dad bought the adjoining 100 acres next to it. It was 125 acres. Right here. Really, my brother Brian is now and then because Bullock wanted that whole link to himself. He then subdivided into everybody. He somebody like he was subdivided the lake off and made it 96 acres and that gave him possession of both lakes.
Speaker 2 7:50
Okay, back to the show. I don't have it together yet. But no. Hopefully. Okay, where were we?
Unknown Speaker 8:11
On okay, there's
Speaker 1 8:14
the old school house. That's the old school house next to the central hall. Yeah. That would be just a little East because this this natural schoolhouse is here and the central hall be right about there. Yeah. And then the law court was on the other side of the hall. This
Unknown Speaker 8:34
is a school bus.
Speaker 1 8:37
That's a school bus. Yes. Or horses, oxen, oxen and horses. Yeah. That's your grandfather taught school in 1896. Was that the North Vesuvius school? Oh, yeah. property that is the use school. This new school the hall, the hall. Yeah. And this is the jail over here
Speaker 2 9:04
and lay down they needed more space. They moved this jail over to here make a kitchen Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1 9:14
And then the Department of Highways is where that where the ordeal is now
Speaker 1 9:25
that's the school that misses more houses school. Across from church a route not. That was as cool as central as good Central. Yeah. Okay. That's the same. Okay. It's funny, all those schoolhouse buildings all look pretty close to the same. They're all designed pretty well, the same way.
Speaker 2 9:48
But Mrs. Moore was private school.
Speaker 1 9:52
She was a girl's private school that look quite different. I think a and then there was Tulsans boys school and Oxford Boys School. And they were the OXPHOS was in behind where the coop is now to walk gas station on the hill there. And Tulsans was further up right across from MB Baker you go up into the behind there, and that was the other boys school I saw my father went to back in 1910 that Mrs.
Speaker 2 10:29
Morehouse School Girl that's a Marnie lives.
Speaker 1 10:36
They have that long driveways concrete driveway. Well, that's it that used to be later on that was old Bill Brown, William Brown and his wife. And that's where he lived in that house there. And he was one of the bookkeepers for trading company when I work for the training company. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 10:56
I see. I guess we don't have a picture of the missus was a school. No,
Speaker 1 11:04
it looked very similar to that because the thing is, there was the house was house was here. The driver went down. Like the house was here. Drive it came down to her. Her classrooms are up on the UPS appeal side. So when the girls came in, they'd have to go up the stairs to the to the I was only not more than maybe. I would say maybe 10 by 10 by 3015. By 30. Buildings was a very big building. I wonder if that's one of the little buildings. They're probably outbuilding there that you as you come into driveway. The house sits here in this old building is up here and
Speaker 2 11:46
I thought that would be was Jack Scovilles old house converted into school? Possibly
Speaker 1 11:57
possibly. To pass they could be assaulted. But because it's Cavell over there I'm not sure when this Cavell tried
Speaker 2 12:10
before the crossman's. Okay. Jeff, well, half of his property
Speaker 1 12:20
Barbara hosts harbor house basically the old harbor house if you've got pictures of it, that was basic, easy to craft and home. Yeah. And and then in due course to death craft and got some of the farm Dermot was across the road. Some Denise and Doreen and all the different ones. All the crawfish all had D I don't know why they need to be Dorinda. Nice. Diane Dolphy and Corinne Diane Dolphy Dermott and Dez is all these this one that's a school that's full picture
Speaker 2 13:15
is kind of slow running, but it's really it's the most colorful black and white picture we got. Okay,
Speaker 1 13:24
now you've got New York Chinese Japanese air you got white people there. There's Japanese you got Negro and you got Indian
Unknown Speaker 13:43
who was the teacher was hit Miss Parfitt.
Unknown Speaker 13:48
Now, don't remember.
Speaker 1 13:53
It could have been perfect or it could have been ruckle. Helen Rocco? No. No Ellen McColgan my teachers from having to go into school in grade one was 38 Okay, because I start okay. 38 Because I started school to 45 and hellerup was my teacher then. Now this isn't the Central School. What? Yeah, because that's the old furnace and he used to have stairs with a gas car by gas lights that used to lower down and dad said those infernal cardboard lights. They're always hissing though because you'd have to fill up the bottle of water and then add to a can a can of carbide and the candidate carbo will be open and they liked it. And every once in a while, once every few seconds and be a drop of water hit the hit the car baby of course that made the gas kept going. And that gave you the light. So as Pat said, the light and mighty mother's had the same thing. The light was always going up and down, up and down, up and down. Because as the as the water hit the carbide, it would flash up in a big bright white light. And then it fizzled in the next drop it so you get this pulsing light all the time. And hissing, but it was a pretty brilliant white light. Who
Speaker 2 15:26
was getting the firewood for the stove? Pardon? Could you get the firewood for the stove?
Speaker 1 15:34
Well, that will be the somebody would get the firewood wouldn't be the kid Well, someone the parents would supply the school firewood and they would be up to the teacher to see that it was kept going but the kids would be the ones that thing. Okay, now that's the whole the whole as I remember. And that was the what would have been the knee lock or jail later on. But before it was, yeah, and then and then got moved, but then they put it together and that became the kitchen in the end.
Unknown Speaker 16:16
That's the Cunningham house. That was actually the that was the Stephens boarding house. Now that is the
Speaker 1 16:32
well that's it for my brother put the veranda back. And it was rather a bone of contention. Because when he put the veranda back because I can remember riding my tricycle all along here around the corner and down because it was on three sides to my bedroom was just went up here. And I remember getting supreme. What for from my mother. Because I left my bedroom window open my young middle sister who was at that time, about three and a half, four years old, climbed up on my bed, climbed out this open window and crawled down and was thinking dang repeat over the over the end of the thing their mother heard her called her. She couldn't see where she came from. She looked up and there was my sister sitting there dangling. So then she called my brother Ron and myself. And we had to retriever from that roof. And Ron held on to me and I went down and I grabbed her and I was able to pull her back up and then I got what for after that permit and my leave my bedroom window open Okay, that's the I see all Cunningham house. Well, actually the old Steve Stevens boarding house. We had the old gingerbread scrollwork Oh, yeah. It was really quite an intricate they were four by four posts that breezed on four corners. And then they came up to the top. And see these are all four by fours. And then there were these gingerbread scrollwork on both sides, all the way along all these posts and they were they had long pieces of I guess it'd be one by six or one by eight. With all this scrollwork all it was really quite quite intricate and of course that no longer been duplicated. Now that would be the Bob was in Opera House. Slash Bravo. I didn't realize these are the most a moment in our family. I'm not sure who these people are going to be here. But you see they reminders they came down from from Nanaimo and almost remote was had ended up I believe, with black lung. And because he worked in the mine, and he was on his way I wouldn't say on his way out but he was rather sick in a sweat. He came here to farm and they bought this farm, a trip road farmed it. And then when he passed away, that's when Jane and her eldest son Gilbert, decided that they will buy out his funnel purpose who gets what either purpose or Malcolm River was one of the partners had died and he had the store in Ganges and that's where they started up their store.
Unknown Speaker 19:42
Take that one out.
Speaker 1 19:46
Stevens Stevens here. That's the Oh Henry Stevens proud. Well, this is it looks like Stevens. Never be hiring young Jenkins, Eva, Eva Jenkins young. And I'm Walter Stevens.
Speaker 1 20:12
Okay, now that will be at the Broadwell house
Unknown Speaker 20:17
as the post office
Speaker 1 20:22
that's the post office. Okay, that's not the same post office. I remember as a child, because it was further down. It's about Oh, almost a square that pillow has drywall business. He sold it now. And there was a kind of a pink building in there. And I had a Yeah. No. But it was we're Daphne Bradley ended up in the end. And I remember being going to visit. Well, Daphne was her name was grim there, Daphne grim. And she had two daughters, Jennifer and Susan RAM. And her husband was a pilot in the RCA F. And in 40. It was 41 or 42. Well, it must have been 42 Because Daphne had the two children, and all of a sudden use a form that her husband had been shot down over France and never survived.
Speaker 2 21:42
Yeah, I'm not quite sure whether the post offices, I heard different stories. One of them was right towards the North End Road. It
Speaker 1 21:56
was on the edge of North End Road. And the only reason it was torn down, was it a car lost control, and hit the side of the building and jumped a building off its foundation. So they really couldn't, they kind of secured skewed the building. Oh, I see. And the they said it was just wasn't safe to live in. So they had to tear it down. So my remember, I mean that in 1970 I guess maybe 7076 77. Somewhere in there. There's all Bill building had to be torn down because the I was given a month and a half to get this building out of there. And I could have all the building materials there in the building for my workshop, but at that time, we were living in Malibu. And so I work for winter and we put
Unknown Speaker 23:06
it into the other
Unknown Speaker 23:09
will use the ecosystem.
Speaker 1 23:13
So that was the I don't recollect that building as per Potat was good what was called the post office was about oh, I would say 50 yards down from the corner or more maybe 100 yards down from the corner going north on the north west side of Earth. Andrew Hey, that's where the telephone was. The telephone office was in there to those
Speaker 2 23:43
guys. There was some campus from England they came over camping. Okay. They were hanging out this young Drago. Then when cabling Dalek couldn't
Speaker 1 23:56
or did they okay. Because I can remember the the visiting gram that was definitely grandmother daughter. Mother was quite quite friendly with them and drew my attention to the fact that all along the top of the door of Windows fell all the way along. There was a kind of open area and there are all these little bottles about so big around with a piece of metal hanging down another piece of metal and there's liquid in there and they're wired together. That was a battery. I didn't realize that was a one on one it was a battery. I was again
Unknown Speaker 24:43
at that time it was a craft knows. He called it the settlement house settlement.
Speaker 1 24:48
Now all of this was all ginger rock, Ginger bird word. It was tremendous. Like you can see the schoolwork see how intricate it was and That would be a boat that broad it'd be about a probably a one by eight or one by probably a one by eight. But all this scrollwork was absolutely and then painted it look really sharp. And of course picket fences were the, the thing of the day. It's the back of the settlement. Now that's United Church, and that used to sit right in the corner where the baseball diamond is. Portlock park on the very corner with the fire hydrant is well that's what I used to say. And then that was picked up and moved down here and put in and we're stitches was and it's raining behind coffee Italia that's where that is where the Legion well Jenna became the Legion
Unknown Speaker 25:48
I guess who you need a beard? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 25:53
Oh yeah
Unknown Speaker 26:07
what's your favorite wine rollover Arizer some kind of French Oh yeah, Mexico Monica Corona I got one of them. Oh hey
Unknown Speaker 26:32
bush 951
Speaker 1 26:42
Because I'm got my no good was farming I could have just asked to have his camera
Unknown Speaker 26:59
on there St. Mary's Lake.
Speaker 1 27:05
Okay, take them basically boat where the Mormon church is now. Looking to acquire
Speaker 1 27:19
some artwork. Oh my gosh. You're in love lamb. Yeah,
Speaker 2 27:26
he can't see that anymore. Console. All trees. I
Speaker 1 27:31
guess we Yes. There's not enrolled. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 27:38
And this one here? It's that's
Speaker 1 27:42
the old okay. No, that's the Old North Fernwood. Kashubian road. Now you go up today. You can see that road, but it's got a concrete block across it. Yeah. Because I used to run my car up and down that lane from the Xuzhou up there. Finally, my father got wind of it. And asked me what I was trying to prove. Could you be like you don't have a driver's license. And you can get it's not a public group. So give me one day with a cracker. And he pulled it across the road under the farm. So I could drive in all the old logging roads ever back in here, which was fine. But what happened give me a date to get rid of the old car on that date past this time. So he said well look, that cars gonna be already here by the end of June. So I put it on around the school day that this carpus Hill. I paid $35 for it and I sold it for $42 but the guy wanted to test drive it okay. So he took it and he down to where we had a bow on the farm field. And I thought he was going to stay on the road. He didn't go halfway down the field road. And then he wheeled it over into dad's over patch about this high five acre Clover pack. And he spent about six or eight doughnuts and overpack or dad just come up the hill over the next hill from Lower Field. I can remember standing up on his tractor and over the noise of this guy cutting doughnuts in his field with my father hollering In a very loud voice to get that whatever off his field now we stopped him he was gone by within 20 minutes you'd gone I got my money but I spent the entire rest afternoon fixing up this kid's doughnut on dad's field I got the message
Speaker 1 30:36
that that will be looked like Merdeka yeah
Unknown Speaker 30:39
yeah
Speaker 1 30:42
that's looking at them from the north and the lake looking down the lake
Speaker 1 30:51
No, no no no no no NO I'm wrong. I'm wrong. No, I'm wrong. Yes, it's down. Ernie Harrison is down the bottom almost where the cutters resort is today. At the bottom of our blur has it is that revealed Harrison house shares Harris environment over there that Ernie Harrison has that's what
Unknown Speaker 31:22
it is. Looks like now
Unknown Speaker 31:24
yeah
Unknown Speaker 31:31
and then
Speaker 1 31:34
that's that's this is the Subarus Harrison right there
Unknown Speaker 31:39
but roads are not very good NO NO NO muddy road
Unknown Speaker 31:47
Oh yeah. Now this will be the issue is payroll going down here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 31:58
Turn there. This up here will be where the red a Rotella lives up right over here. Right here right about there. No, this side it was the gurney house and FFIV place in George Miami Dade,
Unknown Speaker 32:14
Florida that's Ritas Regis daughter.
Unknown Speaker 32:19
Yeah, she's up here that's where they are now. Now come down here in the Turner Yep.
Speaker 2 32:34
So we are still complaining about the roads road conditions. What about this one
Unknown Speaker 32:44
okay, no
Unknown Speaker 32:47
burns Murray.
Speaker 1 32:50
Oh, okay. Now that at burned breathe that's the old craft and now cropton Wilson Wilson place now he had all of his places a big farm it was really a very large farm and then in the late 20s He converted it over to a golf course
Unknown Speaker 33:18
now there's a farm there
Unknown Speaker 33:20
it's going to be farm night you know one yeah
Speaker 1 33:28
okay, so this is looking okay. Going back. This is looking from boat number with a clubhouse stands in the same area to burn bridges. Now. This will be a downvote worthy first first green first fairway is and the eighth seventh and eighth fairway are will be over here. This is the number one very today we'll be coming down like we are looking for a North you're looking north northeast
Speaker 2 34:10
so clear as Keith Wilson that's Keith
Speaker 1 34:14
Wilson Yeah. Okay, now they were using an old drag saw an old either avant or or we McGregor to cutting firewood. Because this looks like the round two firewood did it come off? Yeah, that was a drag. Drag someone was in 98 Yeah. Do you ever see you ever seen a drag saw
Unknown Speaker 34:41
the museum? Oh, what? Oh, yeah. Because
Speaker 1 34:44
at the Fall fair, Larry Fraser had one of Dad told drag shows there and I can remember cutting wood with Father on that name. We have a four foot or four and a half and be five foot or what he called up snagged it had fallen or an old buckskin that had fallen. And the only time you got arrest was when you first heard the drags up in the morning. Because after that you were going full tilt. Because what would happen? You'd start to log, get the log prepared like that. And then you put the drags on it. You start it up. And you drop it on the thing and saw through. Okay. Oh, you mean the McGregor? Yeah, we will, Greg, whatever saw through. And that's the only time you had time to relax. Because once that block fell off, he stopped the machine. It moves it over the 18 inches or 16 inches or 14 inch, whatever you wanted. Starting to stop again, cutting cutting, Susan's going to cut, you grabbed your action, you split that block just fell off. By the time you got that block split, the next block was falling off. So then you do all over again. So you're constantly working all the time, there was just steady, steady go. Where the power saw you could cut through the parts on turn it off. You could probably cut faster. But you'd have breaks in between or the drags. You had no breaks. It was just steady work all the time.
Unknown Speaker 36:34
This is Mrs. ruffling Wilson. Oh, that's Miss Wilson. Yeah.
Speaker 1 36:41
Now, he used to run. He was Reverend Wilson and he was involved with residential schools back Eastern Ontario and gotten so frustrated with the the lady the only First Nations or Indians are here and to Jewish children were because they were trying to teach them the white man's ways. And of course they all they have was old customs or whatever like that. And they would they were always rebelling, run away from school, or whatever like that. And so he finally got so frustrated that he just said that's it. So he came out west here and he's traded up burned green, decided to go farming. Yep. It was quite a guy for his maps and
Unknown Speaker 37:36
it must have been amazing. I guess he got close.
Unknown Speaker 37:45
Again, yes.
Speaker 1 37:57
Okay, now that that had like a soft tooth, piece of metal all the way along. And then you had a chain with a little with a kind of a bar on it. And you pull and you dropped a link, and then you go back and you pull, dropped a link, and you gradually with leverage, rebuild the lever at the stump. Now, that was one way you should another way they used to have was they'd have a big kumkum like like a big drum. And on the edge of the drum was a gear or around the edge of the drum. And then right into that drum was a spiral worm gear. And you would anchor the edge of this collar onto a really strong stump that you knew it wasn't going to move. And then you would pay out the cable, put it around the next dump high enough up that it would whatever. And then you go around, you cut the roots as best you could. And then you would put a pole through the top of this dump puller and you put your oxygen or your horse on it. And he would walk around in a circle and he he grinds this big worm gear around, which then turn this gear that was attached to the big cable and probably 50 or 60 or maybe 100 revolutions of the worm gear would move your foot on the main but you have tremendous power. That's one way to use to do it the other way used to do it would they would take pigs and they would get a pry bar and they would pry a bunch of holes down around the stump and the poor few green to corn down. And then they turn the Pyxis. Board on under the stump looking for the corn. And within a week that's true of mill stump would be sitting up like on a pinnacle because all Erath had been routed out in here, it was sitting there with this hole underneath it. And they'd build a bonfire or fire underneath the stump. And after they burned it out. They're pretty smart people know, they know. Yeah, it was. It was all about hard work. That's where it is today. Okay, that's the clubhouse as it stands, and that back pitcher would be this picture here would be about here. This area here would be this area there you see. Okay, now that central hall after the restoration, okay, that's all I just threw the other stuff in there. Because it was running into into financial problems. It was not making it its way in the community. Nobody really wanted to rent that much of a central hall. Because it really didn't have that much in the way of amenities there was no real running water in there, there was stage and there there was a hall, the floor needed designed or no really any washrooms. So it was going to go into just going to be just fall into the ground. And my mother said, no, no, we can't have that happen. So she went to the in Victoria to the Heritage Society, and said this should be declared a heritage building. And that her mother, and they, so well. We need some perspectives as to what, how you're going to do this because, you know, you're really not open to any grants, because really, it's just as hard target or another building. So mother dug into it, and she was able to get some funding, and she hit the right departments in Victoria. and by gosh, they they came up with the money. And if she could show them a prospectus of what they were, what they can, what could be done. Until she went ahead and did it. And they said, you realize that if this house burned down or if it fell down, that it cannot be rebuilt because it's on Crown land, to really nobody owns it. So that's why she got ahead and done even tad and there was a number of takeout Pete name, things went through a building program, where if you employed people from the community to work on it. The would underwrite their wages, provided work was done it properly met the code, building code, etc, like that. So this was all rebuilt. And that's mother, my mother, she played the piano there for the theater. And then, not long after been completed. Virginia Newman, decided she wanted to, she needed a hall to do what you call selfing madness. Now, at one time she would. She had the central not not centrally mount Hall, but it was always being used all the time. So what she did is she went and she got a lot of advertising from a lot of the local merchants here. And I can remember as a we get to be a young young young adult in my mid 20s, I guess who would be and she got this enormous piece of canvas and she did on the floor. And they put this white paint on it. And then they sectioned it off and they had all the various businesses could buy advertising on this canvas. And that became In the I guess you would call it the curtain. They had this wooden pole about that big around wrappers of rope. And then you pulled on the rope and it rolled, roll the the curtain up. And then that's how they they used to do their Salisbury madness. And then of course there was I was the stage being used. And then grid later date, they decided that they would make it into a cinema. And Dan ammunition came in and he had to 16 millimeter movie cameras, movie projectors, and he would bring in movies and run the movies there. And then later on the night, Louise Knight got involved. And they started running more and more theater. And then it went from there on to where it is today where they went to digital project projectors and run old elitist of movies, but it was used for square dancing it was used for for theater, it was used as a voting place it was once it was restored. It started to they could then charge a better rent for started making it's making its way. So from the 19 Oh, I'd say the 1920s to the 1930s. It was it was used quite extensively even up into the early 40s. And then after that it started to grow, deteriorate. And in the 50s and 60s it was just about run down to its last legs in the early 60s. And that's when mother and my dad and different people got together after this grant and proceeded to build build them back into the 80s
Unknown Speaker 47:31
I guess to get some new stuff in the glasses at the beginning at a meeting held at Mr. Broad wells on the 18th.
Speaker 2 47:56
To further the public hall project. The following list of shareholders was submitted in JB boos six years as well as on our little bit
Speaker 1 48:12
because of everyone who was in there to add Lee every Walter Scoville
Speaker 2 48:18
Scott W. Scott X Scott e Walter T Shepherd referent Wilson, Robertson, J. Shaw, Malcolm and Berbice Paris, Nielson Nielsen, GE Scott, W. Mort
Speaker 1 48:44
W more now we'll be Bill Maher Well, you might Yeah. Yeah. Oh, honey, right. Bullock Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 48:51
Katie Collins. Okay, now
Speaker 1 48:54
JP Collins that was a NOC tester. He was bought out by by bullet and he embolic had a bit of a falling out. So he moved further down beyond or is now the are my family farmers. And it's really the farm house in is now that was the old Collins farm.
Unknown Speaker 49:15
No, yeah.
Speaker 1 49:18
And he was a British milk tester from Toronto, the
Speaker 2 49:23
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Unknown Speaker 49:31
Yeah, heavy handed Eric demons. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 49:36
Jade Broadwell. No.
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Oh, God, no. Dottie. Josie. Take a no. Oh, Joel. Joel. Rob. Well, yeah.
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A loader Arthur Walter are eight Perfect
Speaker 1 50:00
pretty last raffle I got just pretty my grandfather
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and Britain got a good who EJ Ben court
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Oh EJ EJ Okay two bit and corporate and Gordon he lived okay Betancourt's had couldn't go ahead the the store of a studious and where the school was the ferry parking audience today it was the old Bittencourt store and they've been courthouse basically set up in the
Speaker 1 50:45
farmer's bench to building that sir all store house a bit in quite a bit and courthouse here
Speaker 2 50:52
so I thought well collect the little bits and pieces of
Unknown Speaker 51:10
the history of all how it was built go right
Speaker 1 51:14
now basically it was volunteer labor that built it it was there was no real contractor as we know them today it was a case of they wanted to all and people just donated their time and materials and belt the hall it was in those days it was on Crown land so nobody really owned it it was nobody's specific hall but it was built for community use they didn't have a hall in northern Indiana the man Hall was later it was built but it was Berkeley actually built his an agricultural Hall really because fire actually farming was quite quite prevalent on the island here and
Speaker 2 52:19
pretty well was the only industry I guess. Besides rock
Speaker 1 52:26
once you the recording the recording done odo Vesuvius quarry drive is now and that was stone that was shipped down to the apartment buildings and also down into San Francisco because it was really quite well quite good sandstone that they were using quality sandstone
Unknown Speaker 52:51
and so this one here is
Speaker 2 53:12
gotta put the little things like that in there. And just before the hall was built, or there's a page out of reference, Wilson's journal, right and then to that little article, our first aircard cards are cultural show was held on October the 14th. The new public hall near our house having just been built
Speaker 1 53:41
right on that will be at 96 So everybody T 9798 9896
Speaker 2 53:55
having beer in military took eight first and three all the prizes they had. It was just moved that move that
Speaker 1 54:10
page. Okay, no, that was ignored Norman Wilson Catherine Wilson
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1996 1896.
Unknown Speaker 54:21
Okay, so.
Speaker 1 54:30
Okay, according to this December 18 1896. The meeting was held to go in into the matter of building a public hall leader named Central Hall. Okay, now that was in December. This is saying that it was October when October
Speaker 2 54:48
was a first of all first year. That's it doesn't make sense, I guess. No, it doesn't but your mother made makes mistakes to you. Oh, one. No, she
Speaker 1 55:00
did. Oh, yeah. Well, she thing is
Speaker 1 55:09
I'm sure that it was built prior to 1896. But never got finished.
Speaker 2 55:19
They were planning already in the fall of previous year. Yes.
Speaker 1 55:25
But they didn't get completed until 1896.
Speaker 2 55:32
But they did things pretty fast.
Speaker 1 55:36
In those days. Oh, yeah. Well, you had you had 10 or 15 men working together, they could get a lot done in a short time. So I would think that maybe there was a public meeting in December, but the actual Hall was opened earlier than that. And
Speaker 2 55:51
October the fourth? Yeah. 14th. So
Speaker 1 55:58
if you had to, like, put that up on the screen, and yeah,
Speaker 2 56:02
and I didn't quite get it together. I didn't have enough time. But I thought I'll
Speaker 1 56:09
look for a little while. Yes, yeah, if you can find little things like that, like, I just need something to go up on on the screen. And I can, I can expand on it more as to what basically what my talk was going to be give was just to kind of an overview of why central became central. And then the building of the hall. And its usage and why it was used. So it's it was a central bazik community. It was actually a community agricultural Hall. That was what it was designed for, basically. And there was a lot of farming produce all of your things. They didn't have any shortage like Saltspring was actually with the breadbasket of Vancouver, Victoria we we supplied a large amount of produce and whether it's Cree fruits or have or whatever Saltspring was, had a lot of market got a lot of gardens and a lot of market gardens. I'm not too sure when the Japanese and Chinese started coming in and gardening, but I would say about the turn of the century because a lot of your your more severe farmers were possibly men from the coma year after the say, after the Boer War. And come up this country from other parts, like from Europe, like England, because they're remittance and there are people that were probably second sons had no means of getting any inheritance. So the family would give them a stipend and disappear to the colonies, you know?
Speaker 2 58:21
Yeah, well, it was pretty well, sort of free land, I
Speaker 1 58:27
guess. Well, yes, it was. You see, this is the thing that Governor Douglas was looking for areas that he could put his color pure black people or colored people onto giving them free lab because he would try to populate all of these Gulf Islands. And
Unknown Speaker 58:53
I still got the
Unknown Speaker 58:56
that's the exhibition at Central
Unknown Speaker 58:59
I still got from your last
Speaker 2 59:10
or did I put that one on? Reasonably?
Unknown Speaker 59:19
Oh, maybe.
Unknown Speaker 59:25
Yeah. I guess that's what what we did last time when
Speaker 1 59:35
we expanded a bit just on the on the general area. But I think I'm going to move more into the, into the central hall and why it was commissioned in a sense to be used as an agricultural Hall, because there really was no place for them to show any of their their produce that was being produced. A lot of farms around growing growing veggies and like that they needed a place to show me. Do you have any pictures of of some of this place? I think they had it. Display. I'm not sure whether it was a sensitive affair where they had a Saltspring Island.
Unknown Speaker 1:00:28
Oh, yeah. display with the
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grapefruit. Yeah. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:00:34
It wasn't on Saltspring. It was?
Speaker 1 1:00:37
No it was it was probably in Saanich. Yeah. But it was a Saltspring Island exhibit in the sand. It's fair. Because I remember seeing pictures of that. And that was really quite impressive. Because here it was all these apples and fruit and vegetables and things that are rolling on Saltspring. It just amazes me you know how much I will culture was going on here. But then that all changed. As soon as the Okanagan got into irrigation, and they could have a longer growing season with irrigation on the hot, hotter climate. And of course, we were eclipsed by them, because then they were into all sorts of peaches and cherries and plums, and apricot, some apples and whatever. And basically, that was that was it but at one time we were really just at the breadbasket of the Lower Mainland.
Speaker 2 1:01:38
Just wondering what the hell's going on. And
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so if we can, so I'll use okay.
Speaker 2 1:01:57
Oh, yeah, we can mention the fee was 75 cents for the piano playing of your mother. Yeah. And
Speaker 1 1:02:08
well, that was the days of dynamic ignition. He had. Well, he just basically he would take slides. And he would have slides of various parts of the piano. Well, mother when she was a girl had always wanted to be a theater pianist for some reason. She had gone to the old silent movies. And there was always a piano player that played for the sun and movies. And this really kind of enthralled her. And so what she would she talked to Dan, and Dan thought that was a great idea. So she would go over with her music. And half an hour or so before the show started. She'd be sitting playing all this music. And then the movie would start and she liked the movie. She said watch the movie and it wasn't a movie that she liked. She just quietly got out, picked up her music and walked home
Speaker 1 1:03:26
and she bought her own piano like the the piano was there wasn't that great a piano and so she on her own? Bought a Heintzman baby, I was not praying baby grand anyway, Heintzman and she had one of her own at home. And so she had this tuned up and that's what she played. And
Speaker 2 1:03:54
it's not the one in the museum now is it? Pardon? That's not the one in the museum now.
Unknown Speaker 1:04:00
I don't believe so. They have
Speaker 2 1:04:03
piano that was in the boarding house. And, okay.
Speaker 1 1:04:11
Okay, now my mother had her own piano. And that was fed into Stephen Barney. That's when we moved in there and 51 and she had her piano there and it was she used to play this all the time. And she tried to teach us children to play the piano. The only one that really took anything from her was my sister who was became quite a quite a good piano player. But none of us really had any ambition to build the piano. didn't make enough noise. We had trumpets Cornetto trumpet, or I think one of one of the brothers had a trombone and no one played drums and guitar. One time I think we almost had a Cunningham band because I played a trumpet I used to be in a school band and my brother he never played in the school band because they didn't have school band at that time. I was one of the first ones to start when the school had a school band because this fall off from Duncan came over and
Speaker 1 1:05:52
Carter Carter came over and his wife I taught a school band
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he would be fine to have central hall
Speaker 1 1:06:17
just now talking to you. I've gone over an hour almost an hour and 20 minutes 15 minutes just telling you about different things. So I think they wanted about an hour I think was an hour an hour talking. So I'm sure I can keep them and of course gonna be questioned
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yeah
Speaker 1 1:06:52
wonder the Lions have something there. Just won the lions. Lions
Speaker 1 1:07:06
sea lions, they were the one that put in portlaw Park because it was tricky farm. And they were the ones that started up putting in with this one here
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offering it historically
Speaker 1 1:07:26
to local Lions. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2 1:07:29
about about the lions 50 years of service. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 1:07:36
Well, yeah. I started back in 19. I started in 70. And I think it started in what 5969
Speaker 1 1:08:07
Where were you Where were you originally from? You let down Germany or
Speaker 2 1:08:11
have been in Germany Yeah. Okay, well part in Berlin born but lived a little bit everywhere. Okay. Switzerland, Italy
Speaker 1 1:08:33
I was only part of Germany I saw was only from hold. Dusseldorf Oberhausen, Dusseldorf. All up the Rhine River. Cole, Mannheim, Maria, oh, Baden Baden and finally into Switzerland. But that was up to Ryan and I can actually see why this grim fairy tale for why they were Paulie River and the bearer of robber barons castles up in the top and a distractor tolls from the people going up and down the river. But that rang River was a really very busy river it was the commerce that was running on the Rhine was vital to all of the countries around
Speaker 2 1:09:28
that that river and Wilson it's retrogressive. Yeah, maybe I couldn't get you to look through this. Also to stuff his what is journal What? No, that will be that was central auto Yeah, that's red barn Perry was I guess? That's fine very well, the first building that's I bought a property from Buckner who Buckner, a black man. Or no, he left that the previous owner was Buckner. And okay, it was still the that was the old boundary. Yeah, that was the log cabin. That was their way
Speaker 1 1:10:22
of confusing us. They didn't have sawmills like we know today everything was basically felled and hand hewed for your lumber. So, if you did have any sawn lumber, it was usually what they call rip sod which was put on the log was put up on kind of a frame and then you had a man on top and a man down below and basically the rips on the lumber one pulling the saw and the other one pushing or pulling is that central hall no no that point we again
Speaker 2 1:11:00
Yeah, that's the that's the cabinet and bodies water that
Speaker 1 1:11:08
was at 94 But you know, this is the old boarding house boarding house because she that was the kitchen and whatever. Living Room was in here. And then mum and dad got married dad tore all this out both those buildings and he put a big kitchen in from there so that became the
Speaker 2 1:11:39
a corner of our drawing room. Pardon a corner of our drawing. Oh yeah. Hard to see. But what is hold for journalists is on there. And I really looked at it. No, I have
Speaker 1 1:11:57
that was the old original Barnsbury river motion place when he bought it. Yeah. At to add four
Speaker 2 1:12:14
digits on the next page 9480 94 and 84
Speaker 1 1:12:21
Okay, so that'll be two years before Central Hall was built in.
Speaker 2 1:12:25
Yeah. But see here this song has been Perisher at home and they his his whole all the journals every every month. Okay.
Speaker 1 1:12:43
Go into October and see what they have to say. October 96
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Schumer's church
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I should mention the long talk of public haul will now rear its head Atlas who is road truck Crossroads lumber for it arrived upon the kids and tourists in a few days after winning hands are busy laying the foundations while others teams a lot of free labor hauling them material to spot
Speaker 1 1:13:30
great so again to Vesuvius who was with Carter there by what Vioxx Carter wagon to Central and this was 18 in October of 1880 9696
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October 96
Speaker 1 1:13:48
I like to get that blown up taper on that ever without
Unknown Speaker 1:13:59
can we print it out? Yeah,
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I'm just printing it
Speaker 1 1:14:11
No, that's right. No, no no don't you're saying that will be quite worthy to come up to you to have that documentation brought forward to people yeah
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I guess I shouldn't make myself notes or can put that
Speaker 1 1:14:34
no are you okay? If you don't mind me? Like I'm sure I'm not trying to tell you what to do. But I mean Oh,
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please do this too. Because
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it certainly made my my
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usually got 4 million other ways to All
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right
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hey
Speaker 1 1:15:40
long talk to public home are now rear its head at the Vesuvius Bay Crossroads the lumber for arrived on the 2008 October
Speaker 1 1:16:02
and within a few days after winning hands or I need my glasses for this movie, enter lots of work
Speaker 1 1:16:19
oh yeah, it'll better lumber for Ryan hates him in a few days after winning and are busy laying out the foundation was with our team to the water free labor hauling the material to the spot. The building is 50 feet long by 26 feet wide and has 14 foot high ceilings. A large door at one end and a platform a theater and three windows and each side is built on government land and will be held the property of the people. The burbles corner begins to look like beginning to village and the Polo golf, public school and the jail are all close together. And a little ways back to the post office. And some markers question mark church genuis doors should be built on one or the other corners, one of the blacksmiths might open up a shop on the other then there was still very earn a corner left for the corner Shoemaker. The O log school might perhaps be converted into a public laundry then the town would be then complete. Growers designing a whole Mali pardon? Yeah, yeah. So really, in a sense now the fruit growers of their cultural association of Salzburg, Ghana will have its first annual show at this new public hall of the Soviets on Wednesday, October the 14th and admission is 25 cents. Gee Whiz. You know this is really interesting. prizes will be offered for horses, cattle, sheep, pigs, poultry, dogs, dairy produce green and fear produce, fruit jams etc. Also, for ladies needlework horsemanship, shooting etc. Among the special prizes for Peter for an admired bucket spray pump by eg prior 1000 would have lumber Blake ja Sayward and a bag of natural rolled over from and Brackman occur a 10 pound box of tea by Wilson brothers merchant merchant comm and pipe into enterprises a short if you're paying a fee, an event for 50 cents will be entitled to exhibit as many classes as they wish price list parameter will be issued and the whole time will be before to show any other information
Unknown Speaker 1:19:13
will be like another deal
Speaker 1 1:19:15
that will be loving. Thank you. Yeah, it's a glass of wine we'll be back from lunch fine. Okay. No, that's this is introduced is really great because this gives us a lot of background into the why the whole is being used after it's in Yeah, people are using it. It's just printing out more so many people you know, they have no idea that this was going on, you know? What do we got there?
Unknown Speaker 1:19:49
Next time. Thank you. I think it's so this month
Speaker 1 1:19:58
September of 18 96 November okay
Speaker 1 1:20:16
okay, the event of the month as was agricultural show which was held in a newly public hall at Central and field joining on Wednesday, October the 11th. of February at six D was a perfect one and there was a large assemblage of both Holden from all parts of the ad and besides a number of visitors from other islands and from Victoria, on a very limited space prevented her giving the price and we can only refer very briefly various matters of interest. The one thing that would be striking as a stranger above all others, would probably be the activism display of fruit. It was unfortunate, too late for plums, but apples in some 25 different kinds, pears and some even seven or eight varieties. various sizes and colors covered the wrong white tables at the center of the hall, making your most tempting show, while among the two shiz are on the two sides of the room. Read room sacks of grain men's turnips, Marigold, meat, potatoes, Heather sweet corn, tomatoes, melons, Citroen, celery, etc. Oh, gee. They will even several separate coffee. There were several collections of garden facials, nine of which contain four before different articles of garden produce. At the end of the hall. raised platform were displays of homemade jams and jellies, canned fruits, and above loaves of bread, butter eggs, cut potted flowers, besides specimens of leaves, and besides specimens of lady's work, oh boy, outside the hall and feel kindly, loaned for the purpose by Mr. Broadwell were numbers of horses, ponies, extemporize dolls, and aparts field are few horned cattle and some pens for pigs and sheep that are unoccupied except for this small box, where they have swaying and there are boys who sat swaying their legs on the board fence. Next you no doubt there will be fine array of mulch cows. Cheap entwine of mulch, cows. Okay, mulch, cows, sheep and swine. And the old log schoolhouse close to haul lunch provided for those who deserted and in the school enclosure with a fine lot of beautiful Scotch culinary or scotch Collies. Besides some pens of turkeys, Chuck ducks, and other feathered fowl. Hey, that hole was quite well.
Speaker 2 1:24:00
Yeah, just a minute, you know. In October, they started building it here. As they had the fair is there in October in October. Yeah. So they built the whole supper in less than a month. That's right.
Speaker 1 1:24:25
Well take 30 some odd people 25 or 30 people working. They can offload them in the short time. Because I know my mother said it my grandfather would think nothing of going and helping putting up somebody's barn, and it would take them two days to do a whole barn. And it may be 30 families doing it or 20 families doing it. But now
Speaker 2 1:24:48
it takes six months to wait for a permit.
Speaker 1 1:24:53
But then nobody you didn't have permission. You just did it. Hey, yeah. Good. I mean because there was no such thing as permits everybody there they they worked you had your carpenters and and I can remember the new old barn naret where we were on the farm on the farm up here there's not very many nails in the barn. It put together with I wouldn't say mortars Lieutenant but tongue, tongue and dowels and they would literally cut a hole in a log and they would have a DA have a tongue come up and then they will bore Alto and punch a dowel through it. And that was your that was your fastener. So basically once the barn was put together you didn't need nails because the nails were hard to come by he had to get a blacksmith to make nails and I remember at some of the old nails that I used to take out when I was helping I guess we'll be needing sim she was rebuilding part of her porch that had a problem so I took some of the old nails out because I had to take some of the old logs out and these are the old square nails and they were about whole boat so brush Oh wide but they'd be brought down along with but they were tapered but they start from a wide run they come down to almost almost wouldn't be what point they almost a flat flat bottom. And you know if you put that needle in the wrong way you'd split your log you split your lumber it had to go the proper way to it literally cuts through the green and fit it fit it in we went the other way. It act like a wedge. Yeah. No it's
Speaker 2 1:27:09
wonder deal. Who would have a good radio voice after Black I wonder if we could put those articles up on the screen. But get the article read. But we need somebody with a good voice. Yes. There we get make a recording of love it and then
Speaker 1 1:27:47
because it's really really interesting for a lot of people that don't know what central law is all about this. Courtney puts it right into context is hey, here we have a community hall shortly newly built and it's right in an act of service. And it's built by volunteer labor no permits nothing and you've got an agricultural Hall today, did you say you'd be waiting six months for the permits?
Speaker 2 1:28:20
And then next month they were building the Oregon day school?
Speaker 1 1:28:25
That's right. Yeah. Amazing what are you seeing in those days everybody's work bees at the farm farmers in the families and the wives it was a social event because they would women would cook the meals a member bring their tools had all worked together they construct a house or barn or school, whatever was necessary to be done. Yeah. And it all happened like it wasn't a case of well that's not my job. And I mean, everybody worked the women and the children were there the women cooked fed them and and that was it. But then that was a part of your stock and oh tz you had you couldn't survive without your neighbors not helping you. And they knew that they couldn't survive without your help. So it was certainly changed over the years. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:29:37
needs 100 bureaucrats.
Speaker 1 1:29:39
Well, unfortunately, there wasn't the bureaucracy there is today. Like I can remember my mother saying that I am my grandfather would go and help out where best he could and they would come in to help him build his barn whatever like that and he was just bartered work back and forth like is how much you're going to pay me. It didn't happen like his brother in law and his sister and on the family they well well trawling Landel betta they built what is now some Marsh church back in about the same time as central hall was being built the same as the the Stephens boarding house that was built pretty close to the same year or two years he's zoom all of them all of these buildings are all going up basically using the same Labour's got Barnsbury is that huge building
Speaker 2 1:30:47
is he he had a house in Saanich right and he brought most of it over right. But it only took a very short time to put it all together. Move it from over there and it was within
Speaker 1 1:31:06
Mesa see another thing too is that a lot of your material your building materials, there was a really big millet submenus the sperm mcnown modelo got in there with them Kotori Lumber Company and will Toyota Steve Stewart and Welch were the ones that had the big sawmill in in tremendous and of course nowadays all of your your logs her body and by rail and so lumber was there was steam engine drove the drove the pay with the power plant and
Speaker 2 1:31:58
yeah, so now I think I tried to figure out how are we gonna do that gotta be busy with other things
Speaker 1 1:32:10
still but on that's fine if we can get something on No no no I mean I haven't given you much time have I really to get a get a kind of a program together like I'm basically relying a lot of your visuals to me to carry on
Speaker 2 1:32:28
if you have a listen to your mother talk on
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how many foster family were you born here?
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I was born here and married here and I have five children I didn't want to know about my Tell me about your father
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mother we could
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you lost presentation the way we okay
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we got a tape
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Speaker 2 1:33:12
oh trying to figure out where we're I find it
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yeah, what's done here there's a button for previous events and we probably can we do oh
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I was voting was in 16 was no
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before coming in
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just before we start and I introduced on to as I like to just sort of set a bit of the background for you the program today is based on central central settlement here and Don's going to talk about that and its importance to the island but I would like to go back a bit further beyond that back when the first settlers arrived to the island and we had the
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any of these talking too much
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Magram Bob
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the song
Speaker 1 1:34:55
Yeah, she will answer I can tell you if somebody Oh hands off no yeah
Speaker 2 1:35:08
so I'm just trying to how are we going to communicate all you're gonna get together on time or?
Speaker 1 1:35:21
I was hoping to be there by by 630 on the Wednesday Yeah, but it's too late to get together say to say Monday or tomorrow or the next day I've got to go pick up another vehicle tomorrow most likely all right yeah. Mine has a problem it has to go be taken off the road because checking it out there America me found I had a crack in my frame so I just put new tariffs on it last year in a new engine three years ago we built it just filled it up with gas two days before I had problems. So I got a full fuel tanks. So my new truck I'm going to have to get I'm going to have to siphon the old gas out of the old truck and put on my new one. Remember, you used to do that oh, like I'm still having forgotten how to do that
Speaker 1 1:36:24
oh yeah. You don't get your mouse out of the way quick enough you get a snip full of gas. And you start sputtering you like an engine
Speaker 1 1:36:38
Yeah. So how easy is it for you to put this up on the screen like you have a projector?
Speaker 2 1:36:49
It's not no problem. It's just putting it together what I put on the screen right
Speaker 1 1:36:55
so we're gonna correlate what goes on the screen in the corner logical order Oh yeah. Well basically I want to give a an overview to start with as to central horse first beginning like why it became called Central Wow with the respect of the CIA the black people literally starting over the was the central settlement and growing have their own produce this
Speaker 2 1:37:28
mission of reference Wilson what he is
Speaker 1 1:37:33
developing and that's why I wanted to this is why I wanted to use this as a kind of a background as to the way they wanted to build a central hall there was all this produce there at all this livestock had nobody to to show it so they thought well it will build all on one through it Yeah. So basically there's a lot of the pioneer families that are involved getting this together it just makes it a natural thing to to have a hall because there's there's no need for all until they're putting it in but then as it goes down to the years it runs into into the cave because of there's other venues with the Mon Hall and the Molly had to find out and like the fall fair that it's over 100 or 225 years
Speaker 2 1:38:42
yeah yeah I guess man all stuff was copied competition what
Speaker 1 1:38:47
it really was and you see the the whole shift of of population has now moved into the well into the Ganges area because of the commercial location of the shipping of produce and things off the island with the CPR would mode store was the
Speaker 2 1:39:14
aisle of traffic on the books came into Yeah, because
Speaker 1 1:39:19
of the cars it made more sense to ship everything out to Victoria to Vancouver on the CPR boats and so therefore central started to lose its luster let's put it that way. But it was still I still use because I can remember sports events like badminton was really quite big and later on quest square dancing, but it was never really used that much as a as a theater. Cool venue because later on the Rex theatre, under George, I'm not sure with George Han. Anyway, next or what is the core in was the Rex theater. So he had built a proper movie theater, which had yes had come in with his 100 films. And then later on, I remember going there during the war years, and there was, it was just an entertainment center basically the wreck theater then it wasn't until the I guess it will be the mid late 50s when television came in, that that became the demise of the of the mood here because later on, nobody went to the movie theater anymore. George George ham decided that he couldn't run the two movies, theaters, he had the gym theater in and Sydney and he had direct theatre here in Sydney. And that was the gym and Sydney and this one here. But the one in Sydney was a more viable enterprise. So they just shut this one down. And for the longest time, it was never really used. And then it literally got torn down. And what is left now is what is the Korean but that basically, what is the core in today was the old Garner house. Now was before the the split in the in the Garner family. There was only Garner and he and his wife Guna. And they had their their farm or their place was up in what has now grown erode is and he came here Oh, I guess a mini of us be 1890s I guess it would be a he came from North Carolina. And he had run into problems with the Klu Klux Klan, which he belonged to. And it was all caused over a gambling debt between him and one of the fellows from the booklets plan. And the planted member had got pretty well. He was on top 10 or something he was pretty well up in the booklets plan. Anyway,
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he had had too much to drink and he refused to pay his gambling debt. So he had sufficient
Speaker 1 1:43:18
whatever Clubman he told the gardener that he had three days to go to town. Oops. So Garner, he has a lady friend who was rather much of a socialite. He didn't think that would work where he was going. So he knew this girl who was a loner Her name was and she her parents owned her eatery in South Carolina, Spartanburg. And so we went in and saw this brother and said, Lona home. Should you ask what bring her down? And he brought her down and he said, You and I are getting married.
Unknown Speaker 1:44:03
So he went over to the local Catholic Church and said we're getting married. And a Catholic ministry said I don't think so. Grindr said well, my 40 vi pistol says we are.
Speaker 1 1:44:21
He married them. bought her up here. They had their children up here. And this is Joe Garner, Tom Garner all of the Garner family. He became a multimillionaire. And this was the last big house he bought in built in the 1920s. And then the split happened in the 30s and Lono went off to Victoria Vancouver and two of her sons built her house on first and then IMO. And the only one that's Have the old Garner family here now is Ken Garner who works for the school here and that his father was only Oliver Garner Jr. from Kellyanne Oh and he was one of the original corner boys from here
Unknown Speaker 1:45:25
kind of a walk in your take libido
Unknown Speaker 1:45:26
Yeah, yeah
Unknown Speaker 1:45:39
bits and pieces but I guess I'm just trying to find little bits and pieces but
Unknown Speaker 1:45:45
along
Speaker 2 1:45:49
I guess Oh, oh oh come together I guess you probably when
Speaker 1 1:45:55
I needed to too few visuals up on the screen there to just to go with and things like this too. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:46:01
Yeah. Trying to figure out what was wrong?
Speaker 1 1:46:06
Yeah well we can take an basically I was thinking of starting off with a history of of Central Hall why it was decided that they were going to build a hall and how it happened and whatever and how long do labor put it together basically on government lands. So basically didn't know didn't belong to anybody in particular was just on Crown government land. So really do nothing there's no real owner of it like it's
Speaker 2 1:46:43
Yeah. Quite recently somebody asked me who donated to the landfill whatever. Well,
Speaker 1 1:46:50
it wasn't donated. It was just government land. It was free land for their occupation. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:46:56
Read some letters through the
Speaker 1 1:47:02
you see this is ready for the probably when mother and dad will wash my mother when she started this fundraising to get it to have money to to restore it. Or the government said, Well, look, there's no real title to it just belongs to the community. It's a community hall. So it's up to the community if they want to restore it, that's up to them. But so basically, she had to go and canvass to people to donate money to do it. Well, once they like yeah, I'm not sure what it was he archives at a historical society or wherever it was in Victoria, where the heritage building society maybe was they who mother hit and pulled the right strings to have them funded because it was then looked upon the DAT time as a as a heritage building. So I believe to this date is it had heritage status?
Unknown Speaker 1:48:08
Yes, he tells that story on that piece of paper.
Speaker 1 1:48:15
So can I leave this with you want me to take this you can take those years, okay? Maybe, because I need to kind of get my ducks in line as to what I'm going to how I'm going to present it. Basically, as I said, I was thinking you're starting out is history started, give it a quick overview of from 1896 Up until today and then delve back into the more logistics of why and whatever and how it was, whatever. So it's just kind of chronologically over the years. What has happened today and what it's gone from an agricultural Hall to an amusement theater.
Speaker 2 1:49:07
And the previous presentation sort of shows the
Speaker 1 1:49:13
whole Yeah, Central is central a central central but I will put that in central because it was central between two major things but basically it's because there is all of this happening in that area that they felt they needed to put some kind of a building in and community building in and that's where they chose because all it says follow river Milton that he had all these other things in place his he that he wanted to do like the post office and that everything. So if it hadn't been, I guess promotes making what they did down in Ganges We would have probably been the more commercial area up and Central. But you see the renewable real still water access was was water access is what really was the Eclipse because now you add you had access to the outside world, whereas here, basically it was assuming as our firm would before he had access. And because Ganges harbor was deep enough that they can bring you a CPR Bucha and like era Quan, Joan, and all of those like that,
Speaker 2 1:50:36
what happened to the alien alien was bigger than most of it was directed after some.
Speaker 1 1:50:44
No, oh. He drew about 30 feet of water. And sometimes he come in and there might be four feet under appeal when she came in. Because I can remember when she backed out you would see bark and chunks of mud and clam shells and stuff coming off only up from the side of the boat there. Man who the Prop was, I don't think the propeller was more than the URI of evidence enough the bottle off the thing at low tide. But she was so big. She couldn't turn in Ganges Harbour. She'd have to back all the way up, Pat laid out and back back in towards Roby point before she turned to go out. But you'd see her come in. And she come in and you see this vessel come down. And it'd be about a breast of these a bed is beach. And you'd see this white burst of then 12345 Move, you can see that you'd see the white burst of steam on the steam whistle. And it would take about four to five seconds before you actually heard her her blow. But her her bow would be up just about abreast of almost to where the walkway is going down to the dock just past where the trio's restaurant is after a bow would be. And her stone would be back almost to Grace point. And do used to have a kind of a ramp think that they would lower down. And because she was a side loader. So any cars going on. If that was the time was right. And she was high enough they could raise it so that your car would come down and go straight in. But if your car couldn't get in that way, it was typed the wrong way. Then they would put a cargo net down on the dock and you drive your car under the cargo neck and they bring four corners of the hook on the crane Derek cranes on the ship would swing over and pick up the car and over to the holding down. Oh. And you hear the old troop to troop to troop to troop to troop steam engine was driving the crane grabbing the derrick and then they had something called a tow motor they used to have and it was like a little hard wheel rubber tractor who wouldn't be more than maybe a year to your door long. And maybe you're too wide. And it had a I guess a like a car engine or a truck engine in it. And it had a number of gears and it would tow a chain on the floor of the of the deck of the ship. And it would come off the ship and it would go up this little ramp way into mullets warehouse where there were Volume Two is all that that was mullets warehouse and it was this flat chain it'd be about that wide links about so long. And it had a a spring loaded. Paul came up like so. So the guy with a sack barrel would come along with maybe five or 6x and green under palm sacks of grain on his sack barrel. And all he had to do was run along, go over the slat chain and get parallel and this clip would go down and pop up and his backpack was excellent his sack Barrow would be front of this hook. So when they had six or eight stack bro ready to go, the guy is going to grab that chain away go, normal guys had to do was not push they do tend to steer in the sack barrel, because the tow motor would pull them up off the ship up the ramp and into the thing. And then when they got when they were able to get enough flat, and the guys that a sack burrows would put it faster than Komodo was going and they just carry on. But this was to help them up the dock because it would be maybe too stiff
Unknown Speaker 1:55:38
modern technology for the end.
Speaker 1 1:55:41
And the question was a three funneled steamship. And they were Grandal vessels because you could go on the on the CPR boat and you would get the same meal as you would buy in a really high class restaurant. And there was a liquid bar there for the men or women if they wanted it and you you maitre d would teach you and you'd sit down on the nice table right then and CPR China and everything like that and he would take four hours to get to Vancouver and it would take you into pier a are mostly with Pierre see they went to because pure A and pure B were mainly designed for the poor a was basically the the Oriental Emperor ships came into the puree. And they had they had the silk onboard from the Orient. And they would they would be the first to be unloaded for the silk train going east. And those silk trains had priority over any other train on CPR rail. Because
Unknown Speaker 1:57:06
Do we have a recording of your mother? playing, singing playing pianos? I
Speaker 1 1:57:13
mean, there might be I'm not sure where
Unknown Speaker 1:57:24
to
Unknown Speaker 1:57:26
that would be really need
Speaker 1 1:57:32
to Dad, I don't know. But there's a lot of people like remember going to the theater remember my mother playing and pet theater. But it would be good to have that up because then I can say well, there's my mother and she used to pay for the President to have initial money and the the theater here
Unknown Speaker 1:57:56
and boy, it wouldn't be a blast before the show.
Unknown Speaker 1:58:00
That's what she did to play, play the
Speaker 2 1:58:02
music and still have a picture of her. Yeah, just like yeah, that would be really fast.
Speaker 1 1:58:13
It really would. Yeah. I'm not too sure. If anybody recorded her that's a thing. But I'm sure so many must have at some time
Speaker 2 1:58:28
she still was playing in the 70s or 80s. Yes.
Speaker 1 1:58:35
She would play in the 70s up into vote ad I guess would be 8283 She was playing playing the piano with them. Now I don't know who would have I don't know I don't aviation would have any of those. Because Dan lives in Penticton that's your brother. No 10 ammunition. He's the guy that had the Grand Theater. Oh, I see. Now brother Alan. I'm going to talk to him and see whether he's got any of mother's ever recorded mother because none of us really record mum in the piano. Because you know we could have played anything cuz she she loves Gilbert and Sullivan. She loves a lot of the Roger Hammerstein. There was a lot of different songs that she would play. And she would just she just loved playing the piano.
Unknown Speaker 1:59:45
I guess she's getting your money back.
Speaker 2 2:00:00
Get your data Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 2:00:05
Yeah. How's it going out there? Oh, well, I
Unknown Speaker 2:00:08
think we are probably almost
Unknown Speaker 2:00:12
almost ready to give us the baby
Speaker 1 2:00:17
girl taking dollar, or workwave away from her what she wanted to do and every yak and she party wants to do things on your
Speaker 2 2:00:27
show that set up with the truth and it didn't happen to people. Well,
Speaker 1 2:00:37
even if you put that up on the screen, I can say well, my mother used to play for the movie theater when back in the days of identification, and she would play all his music prior to the theater and that was one of her life's ambition was to play in a movie theater. With a young girl the Santa movies were always had a pianist
Unknown Speaker 2:01:03
so this one here would be before I forget, I'm very good in forgetting would be right at the beginning that's the first slide.
Speaker 1 2:01:20
Yeah. We can we can put that in when we can when we come up to the the the whole use when it was being used as a like fit theater and the movie theater and Louise and I and different things like that. But basically, I would like to get a chronological place. Let's start invocate Lau was first whatever and then gradually, Oh, it got into into being used more agriculturally. And then later on, it will be used for dances of the user for badminton, for sports or whatever things and for theatrics. Because I can remember the SIR Ray video at Newman should be in the 60s and they wrote this. I guess you would say it was a musical comedy called Saltspring madness. Hey, or ever heard of it?
Unknown Speaker 2:02:22
Before my time, okay, but
Speaker 1 2:02:23
it's still, if you were to Google Sofie madness, I'm sure you would come up with some of the things actually. Sue Newman. She's one of the daughters. And the Newman's re in Virginia. Were one of the first we were one of the first people they met when they came up. Now this is a Newman's, I came here in 1962 or three. And that's when when, when Vietnam was starting to really warm up. And Virginia, and re they work for Disneyland. And she Disneyland and Knott's Berry Farm and Virginia played distinct Calliope at Knott's Berry Farm. And she also did something in Disneyland. So they were entertainers in a sense, but they didn't want their sons, Bruce Paul to get drafted into the to go fight over in Vietnam. And what did happen was it every year, they would come north into the redwoods forests of northern California for a holiday. And there was a lady by the name of Charlotte keeping who would go down and they went to the same redwoods campground every year. While evidently the oldest daughter of Newman's met the eldest son of the keepings. And being both teenagers and female men and female there was a spark and they started corresponding back and forth. And in 19, her 1960s Charlotte said well look, rather than we meeting in California Why didn't you come up into Canada up To where we live, we live in a place called Vancouver. And we have pretty nice areas up here. So, Virginia and re decided, David, take, take it on. Nope, they came. And they arrived in Vancouver. And this will be in. I'm not sure what it was. It must have been July or August because there was no school. And so try to have a look. Now that you're here, why don't we take a day trip to the capital of Victoria, to a place called Butchart Gardens on the newly opened BC ferry service that runs between so Lawson and torch Bay. It's a government run ferries Lawson in Sydney and you have a cafeteria on board. And it's really quite good dress you go to these to these Gulf Islands. So anyway, rain Virginia took them up. Named came over to go and see portraits gardens. And Virginia and re when they were on the bow of the ship as he came in past duties pay and they went through Rome Maryam point down through they just said this has got to be absolute paradise. Wow. We'd like to move here. So when they got back to California, they bought themselves and all moving van. And he moved themselves up here. But they couldn't just move into Canada, they had to apply for to become immigrants. And they were able to come in. But the Canadian government stipulated that they must start their own business and run it. They could not work for somebody else. They had to start their own business. So they did. And they started up a little business next to the old cobbler shop. We own covered cobbler shop. Oh, just about where the just over the sauce being roasting company is now. And there's a building there. But there was a cobbler shop. There's the arty crafty, which the Newman's start up. And then there was the buzz brown on the PC assessment office. And that was it. And then the very end was a small detachment, the RCMP, and that was the end. And so they started up to charity crafty. Well, they have their two sons. And Bruce is the eldest. And I think he finished his off his school. You graduated? That's right. But he was due to if he didn't join the military, he was gonna get conscripted. So it was, you know, to town quickly. So they became and they came up and they rented a house out on Costello away. And they moved all their furniture up from California and they moved into this place, sir, up this business. And Paul, and Susan and Amy, they went to school here, they're registered in school. Well, then they decided that the Newman Pharaoh they wrote music. And so they started to make up musical venue that they put on like, dances and that type of thing they would do. And then they wrote this already crowded and then said they run this, let's make this call Saltspring madness. And it took all the old timers and they made them into like there was a softer the Soviets Fire Department, there was the bullet ball there was all these various little things that they put in really interesting, you know, and they bought out on you and have full house every time. So finally, the last one they wrote was Christmas madness. And they did a spoof of Christmas Carol and I was Bob Cratchit and one of her shows But we had a lot of fun and the only one of the family left now is I guess Paul and Paul is Vancouver Sue Newman is the only one here. Amy she works for best of our Cavell and Barkerville she's an actress and Barkerville but they're all very musician type people to one you hadn't heard about the their reign renewing Virginia Newman's.
Unknown Speaker 2:10:32
Yeah, you see them quite a bit but anyway, but everything was most of it was before my time.
Speaker 1 2:10:42
Right would be Yeah, no, I think when I first knew I thought well you some rooms over the Newman's and no but your your he was here any you aren't you? Yeah, yeah, he's any W. But there was not a Newman on the on there was Harry Newman and Phyllis Newman. And he was he was from England, and it came out. That was Harry Newman, he came out to in the 30s to work with the prices farm. And they didn't need any help. But our farm up at Central needed help. So that's where Harry Newman came to work. And that's how he met his wife, Phyllis beach. And they married in just before the before the Second World War. And they had three children and well, there was Terry Newman. And then Barbara Newman, and sharing them and Kunio Metairie? No, there's Yes, I could, as I say, I can go on and on and on and on, but I can't do that because it's my 1010 1030 on what's coming up. So, so what brought you to Canada? You got drunk, you're drunk. That's how he came to Canada.
Speaker 2 2:12:10
I had a friend of mine. He wanted to go in the States. Archie, decorating Canada. He went through all the paperwork. figured out he couldn't make it. Get the right papers together.
Unknown Speaker 2:12:30
This is in Germany. Yeah. Trump one day was a good sub war. Memorial.
Speaker 2 2:12:39
Well, why don't you go to Canada. And then it dawned on me, that included me in a stand behind your work, so I had to go to
Speaker 1 2:12:52
Okay. So it was just a case of was it what was it the lack of work? Or was it just it was a adventuresome spirit in you and said, Hey,
Speaker 2 2:13:03
this was a Halloween. I had no reason I was I had a pretty good going business that did you. In Germany? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 2:13:13
That'd be after the war. Like you weren't there during the war. Yeah, it
Speaker 2 2:13:15
was in 66. You're
Unknown Speaker 2:13:19
in Germany? Yeah.
Speaker 1 2:13:22
Okay, okay. So, when were you born in Germany relate to it born? 3230 42. You were born in 42. So you were born during the war? Yeah. Oh, geez. Well, I was born before the world born in 39. And I can remember the Japanese being interned, and I can remember going mother to the movie theater, and wondering why on earth, people couldn't walk across the Atlantic because every time we'd look on the part of the news, you see another deep sea going down that the Germans interpreted. And I thought they were the road between North America and Europe should be solid ships. But it wasn't it was, but that was it. But I know my father when he finished the war, like he was on the Allied side. And he finished in and Williams Harvin in Germany. And he was talking to this one German fellow and he said you'll finish it for a German he said Your English is just as good as ours. In fact, you should. I couldn't tell you how many of our guys should have to learn to speak English. So well like the clock with like, a, like a Canadian college. I went to school in Toronto. And that's cool. What are you doing here? Well, he says as a graduation President, my parents who were German ancestry in 1935 decided they wanted to go back and visit the Father. And I was back with them. After a month and a half in Germany, we decided to come back to Canada. Except there was a slight hitch, hitch, but when you joined the military to we shoot you that was the trades yet because they weren't naturalized. They weren't landed proper Canadian citizens. They were still looked upon as being good answers and should every German. So they were told no, you joined the military you, you shoot you. So they join the military and that was it. So he went to the war. And he survived the war. But he said, it was amazing. He said, We will go ashore and I called Lawrence and we hear what was going on in town. And he said, we knew two or three days ahead of time, what was happening and where it was coming from and what was going out with what on it. And we'd be waiting 250 200 miles out to sea for you and which convoy had what in it. We pick out the proper vessels we wanted to destroy, and mostly it was food ships and oil tankers. Those are the two vessels ever key on their list, because they're trying to starve out inland. And if they could deprive them of fuel and deprive them of food, that's thing troopships in ordinance, it didn't bother with too much. So that when he was left Ebert in 1940, they sailed for I don't know how many days of Tyson before they sailed to Liverpool. But he says the Germans had come over and 40 He said, Britain had nothing. There was no armor, any shape description. He said they'd lost it all in Dunkirk. And he said, surprising. He said, You might think this funny. But he said, When we arrived in England, they had wooden tanks, wooden guns, wooden cows, wooden trucks. And they would go out every day and move these tanks, trucks, guns, everything around. And he said as far as the German result, connaissance planes were concerned. They looked down he'd see all this look alike. But it wasn't it was all fake. And he said then, of course when they went into to DD he said was pretty Elysees. And I never saw shot fired. He said when I went in, but he said three hours before he said it was all you wouldn't believe it. He said it was just but he said he was moved in and gradually got a foothold. And France decided to go as far as Arnhem. And he said, we had the pretty well the Germans on the run. And he said, and then we are told to stop and said we couldn't figure out why we had to stop what we needed. And then he said, took another three months to cross the river. Because he said, but that time the Germans could stop and regroup and we could everything. And he said we had a fight for the bridge across our enemies was just a real bloodbath. But he said, we finally took it but he said, it will took a long time. But he said the supply line was so long that of the German military counter attack. He said we couldn't have we'd have been cut off. He said no. So not that I'm opening any wound up but I never knew what it was like But I know. I appear. Couldn't believe what war was all about. As far as I was concerned war. What do you want war? Everything so peaceful around here. You probably seen bombs dropping around your ears.
Speaker 2 2:19:08
They vaguely got just flashes in my memory was just never really experienced. So
Speaker 1 2:19:14
you so you were where were you in Berlin, Berlin. And they got nailed. Pretty bad. Didn't know what time.
Unknown Speaker 2:19:23
Earliest? Yeah, maybe? Yeah.
Speaker 1 2:19:27
Because I remember, follow, I work with them. This would be in the Oh, early, very early 60, late 50s. I worked for a year and a half and Vancouver's A coca driver. And one of my fellows I work with, his name was horse. Schmidt. Good, same age as I was. And he was saying what it was like he was growing up. He grew up in Hamburg. And he said that he said to hear the sirens go off and then he said to you Are the bombs dropping? He says his mother would grab him dropped against the wall under the window and I should why, gee kind of brutal winner. Oh no mother say my other mother save your life anytime she said because he said she she told me up against under the wall under the window above me. And he said the boom would come off and a whole window would go over the top of my head and end up on the other wall
Speaker 1 2:20:33
oops. He was down there underneath the window as it went over his head. But he said, you learn that you took cover and he said later on he says he got pretty sick. He said they said we had something called a firestorm. A lot of Firestorm. He said there were so many bombers came over and drop bombs that the entire city of Hamburg got fire. Hard to believe was
Unknown Speaker 2:21:02
probably one of my
Speaker 1 2:21:06
Yeah, no, I'm not trying to open anything up. But I mean, you know. It's all over with but you know, just unbelievable.
Unknown Speaker 2:21:15
Amazing what people can do. It is
Speaker 1 2:21:18
really like, here's me who've never actually ever been involved. Like there was a war going on. But I never I've never seen a bomb drop. I've never seen Tony me shot at. Whereas other people at a kids like I was over in, in Holland, my brother in law's from all in Groningen. And this was in 75. And I was with my uncle. We're going to Switzerland, Eastern Switzerland. And the only reason I was there was because my aunt couldn't make it and my uncle had paid for the ticket. So he said here, we're going to Switzerland for five weeks. Germany, Switzerland, Italy. So I went along. Wonderful experience had never been to Europe, and they were really quite interesting. And I remember going down this one street corner going to big church was a real high church tower. peoples who are not a good place to get a good view of the city. So when I was walking down the street, walking into this, church tower, pockmark all over the building, your pockmarked all over the building. For shell over shell, motor bullet marks or shell marks like that. Oh, okay. But you know, you went up in the top of the tower, you look over the city. And you can see where all the bombing runs, went down there where the houses have been a new part of the house, put into the old part. But a rebuilt, you know, amazing open house, not a very big country. But in all in all, history, we already kind of brought it back to me. Well, she was no. Yes, my dad said you could crawl it all in and a day. Well, we cross four borders on one day in Germany, Switzerland, Italy on on one day, on the train, and not big countries. Whereas my wife, Molly, her aunt came over from Ireland. This will be about you when Yes, it'd be about go turn of the century. And she said, you know, there must be something wrong with this train. Because she said I was in a province called Ontario, she said, and I went to bed and the relation trees. And I woke up the next morning, and it was still lakes and trees and we're still Ontario. Yeah, yeah. So, but even a girl I used to know from England, she came out to visit her hand in Victoria. And she said, I didn't realize that Canada was as big as it was. She said, You know, I traveled across Canada that train for four days. Four and a half days, almost five days. And she says I couldn't believe I was still in the same country. Which is such a big country. Yeah. But again, it is. Well, thank you Frank, for thank you for putting up with me all my my talking etcetera, etcetera. And now, did you want me to come and visit another time? We should get together a would be tomorrow night or tonight will be retrieved for you. Or the daytime better for you. Ooh okay, okay. Now would would wind no can't do Wednesday because once it's a talk on, we should have a pretty well nailed down by by Saturday by by Monday Shouldn't we?
Speaker 2 2:25:26
Wednesday morning or Tuesday? Now we can have that meeting Tuesday
Speaker 1 2:25:38
what would work best for you? I can probably swing it like I've got to go pick up my truck sometime probably. My vehicle my new vehicle to me. Probably. Kobe Monday morning, early Monday afternoon. Should be free Monday evening. If that would fly with you. Or say what would work best for you? I don't want to push your pressure or whatever like what would do what do you have? Whatever you can get together it would be great. I would say I'm relying on you so much for the for the visuals and I
Unknown Speaker 2:26:17
don't have anything on here on Monday morning Yeah, Monday evening. Monday. I guess it's Sunday today so
Speaker 1 2:26:35
22nd 23rd Now that's that's kind of pressuring you a bit too much. And I hope I'm not going to need
Unknown Speaker 2:26:44
some time to hustle that stuff up I guess.
Speaker 1 2:26:48
What have you just got together like if we can get some visuals I can pretty well a lot of a lot of this stuff. Right I mean because I know it makes a lot of sense to to have something on the screen and Missouri and more on central all more than anything else is basically my text of my talk rather than the
Speaker 2 2:27:14
I guess. Monday evening. I'm going to ask the boss because he got more memory. Okay
Unknown Speaker 2:27:28
Bill, do you have anything?
Unknown Speaker 2:27:32
Tomorrow evening
Unknown Speaker 2:27:38
choir for five.
Unknown Speaker 2:28:01
Good give me some time.
Speaker 1 2:28:07
Tomorrow. Yeah, yeah. What tomorrow night work for that pushing too hard tomorrow night. Okay, yeah, but the same time around seven ish. Okay, good. Okay, well, I'll take this in that this kind of a read over and then if we can, because I'm sure I can expound on a lot more here than by reading near from
Speaker 1 2:28:40
I was gonna think of just kind of having kind of like a topic headings. And when I covered that I was gonna go into this topic, and then the topic and chronologically, take it down. And that basically what I had in mind, but I was thinking pretty well. Yeah. Kind of a quick overview of the whole thing, and then go back and spend more detail into as we go. But that's something we can discuss tomorrow night.
Speaker 2 2:29:13
Yeah, well, the heading would mostly be a visual. So you see a visual and you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 2:29:21
Yeah. Like the thing is a lot of I don't see I don't know how many of an audience I'll have. I might have 20 people I might have 100 people. I don't know. Yeah, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't really matter. Now. I don't know whether I should talk to Bob and see whether I can get the sound system from the archives.
Unknown Speaker 2:29:49
No, guys, all right. Yeah. Yeah, I guess that would be a good idea.
Speaker 1 2:29:57
Not to call called This is on on how the sound system works now Now Ross is usually looked after the hazard
Unknown Speaker 2:30:10
process you're setting it up and he probably has it
Speaker 1 2:30:15
maybe I should talk to Ross tomorrow and see whether he's going to be one to be there tomorrow and if so are nonprofit Wednesday and if he could bring his own system or either that or I start talking a lot louder one or the other
Speaker 2 2:30:33
I just gonna send a email I guess it's totally up to
Speaker 1 2:30:40
you if he's got an email he can he can always come back to you I don't have his email address
Speaker 1 2:31:56
don't feel Arab I know if I got his email address on my pad or not
Speaker 2 2:32:02
usually if you just type in historical society know if you can type in Prince Bob into computer we'll fill it fill it in
Speaker 1 2:32:14
or we'll it'll come in with all the various Robert quarter and their apartment Monday morning and Susan good and all those will all be on that
Speaker 2 2:32:24
if all the blobs on there and then you want to get BB BB and then it comes up automatically.
Speaker 1 2:32:39
Well yes What do you just put Barbin should come up on the only on the screen. But it'll also if you hit Reply All all of them will get a one day.
Unknown Speaker 2:32:50
Yeah,
Speaker 1 2:32:51
yeah, well if I don't read it don't want that. I wonder to kind of go into one so I'll just hit reply like you're awesome. I'll reply and that's it. Well, if
Unknown Speaker 2:33:00
you go reply all get them all. Yeah, no, but you can
Speaker 1 2:33:06
delete some of them. You can you really BB and you can delete Susan and Twitter. Or you can or you can lose the ones. Okay, so you just zoned in the one you really want them. Okay, because I know when I get the different ones coming in from Bob, I'll get yours. And Susan and Roberta and, and Barbara and all I'm Duncan used to be too and it all show up on a cc and all this then you get the message I'm totally computer illiterate because I'm only just in the last I guess it's three years now I had an iPad prior to that I was scared stiff of what I didn't and I didn't have one we had it all when I was just training an audience to play with. And I'm reading my memory of that of the family going back in history and I can't download it because it's such an old machine require a floppy Well I went down to the source said can I get some floppies he looked at me says Robbie's we haven't had those for 20 years
Speaker 2 2:34:20
Oh, you still got stuff on the floppies Well,
Speaker 1 2:34:25
I've got well no, I haven't got any floppy disks left. They're all gone it whatever you wrote is not on a floppy it's just in the hard drive and it has I can't download it because there's no way I can get it off. Like I tried to put it on a printer tried to push it over onto a printer and all it does the printers version me with extra noses and dots and question marks and slashes and all sorts of something so so my grandson who's quite a computer guy, he's come in and he's taking it off my computer off the screen. Read, and he's putting it into a computer and then putting it on a stick.
Unknown Speaker 2:35:06
He's still got it anyway. Yeah.
Speaker 1 2:35:09
But I know when he said a stick now, he said, This looks like a little weak cigarette lighter about this way by so long. And he plugs it into his computer. And that's it. And that downloads everything into onto that. So when if for some reason I really read something, he just plugged it in, brings it back around again, it just puts it on hold, don't lose it. Well, I've got about seven or eight scrolls. And I don't know what happened. I hit something. I deleted about two scrolls. I don't know if I hit a wrong button and wiped it out to I had to go back and rewrite it. So I have to be I was hoping as my son said, Oh, read about maybe three or four scrolls, and then download it. And I said, but I can't get it to download and he says oh, yeah, that old dinosaur you got there. He says, that's only good for paying games and writing stories on but he said we've got to get to the computer and the printer to recognize each other.
Speaker 2 2:36:25
Well, if you get it somehow save something on a stick
Speaker 1 2:36:30
or it will actually do it. He's putting on a stick. So he's taking it off of my, my monitor. And he's typing it into his computer. And then he's downloading that unrealistic. So at least it's not getting lost. Graham says 22 years old and he's got like, if I run into a problem I just won't cover up as a trimmer. Oh, no problem. Oh, yeah. Crap. I'll be right down. She comes down. What's your problem? When I can't do this? Oh, okay. Yeah, pick what you do. Slow down. So I see what you did. There. He learned in school, he's, he's right up on it. Like it's natural for these guys. Hustle guys are just getting better, you wouldn't be feel bad
Speaker 2 2:37:26
if we wouldn't be intimidated by this stuff. We don't know. Well,
Speaker 1 2:37:31
I don't know that. But we can learn it. Here. Well, I'm finding now that there's a certain system you have to use, like to get into like writing and reading an email and that's not a problem, or responding to an email or who to respond to and, and that type of thing. Like if like, it's getting to the point now, where a lot of my friends all they have to do is just type in their name. And the first four letters and all of a sudden it comes up on the screen. They just they just automatically brings it over and put it on. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 2:38:17
Those things are there. You can say write an email to Bob
Unknown Speaker 2:38:37
which Bob What's the subject of your email?
Unknown Speaker 2:38:45
Merry Christmas.
Unknown Speaker 2:38:48
Okay, what would you like the email to say?
Unknown Speaker 2:38:53
How is alive today?
Unknown Speaker 2:38:54
Here's your email message to Bob McWhorter.
Unknown Speaker 2:38:57
Oh, you said Oh,
Unknown Speaker 2:38:58
are you ready to send it? Okay, I won't send it.
Unknown Speaker 2:39:05
Gee. Wow, that's just operator operators.
Unknown Speaker 2:39:14
Siri, you can tell her anything. Whoa, you got that too in your iPad? Have I? Yeah. You can also type things in there you don't know about
Speaker 1 2:39:31
could you usually I have to hit write up a new little pencil and write and then I just type in the subject I want or it comes up the name and it tells you what subject you want to talk about. So you type that in. And the next thing you know your New Year's sending off a thing and once you could don't menu ups and
Speaker 2 2:39:53
gone. Gotta bring your iPad over here and get a smallest, smallest. Okay.
Speaker 1 2:40:03
Well, I have ordered from my daughter there's only certain but I'm gonna push on it because I can I have some very, very
Speaker 2 2:40:15
this button here you can move push that one write an email to Don
Unknown Speaker 2:40:25
which done
Unknown Speaker 2:40:28
Oh, you got me here Cunningham
Unknown Speaker 2:40:34
to put their nine emails to done since last Tuesday at 930 at night
Speaker 1 2:40:49
many Oh, anyhow, yeah, okay. Yeah, I gotta go. You ready? You got you probably want to get the bed. Yeah. Yep. Yeah get talking to him. I don't I don't want to take into consideration other people's lives too. Well thank you for the beer. Thank you for the wine. Thank you for the afternoon. Thank you for all the work you're doing. Okay, so you want me to give me a holler before I come to the chair and you want
Unknown Speaker 2:41:18
any brilliant ideas? Let me know ahead of time and I can dig for it.
Speaker 1 2:41:25
Okay. I'll keep my keep my branch cracks here. Nice. Give me some really nice okay. Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to take on your evening. Okay. Yeah,
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