Salt Spring Island Archives
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| Date | 2005 | ||
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| duration | 83 minutes |
326_Luschiim_Arvid-Charlie_Chris-Arnett_interview_2005.mp3
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11.03.2024
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Speaker 1 0:03
place names and in person names are very important
Unknown Speaker 0:13
give you the history
Speaker 1 0:16
for those that know the history or why it's called a certain name like cannot be somebody's point north and south it's called because the beach used to be just white with shells. So it's actually seeing white ground and that was a very important place because many different communities come here to to quash clamps, steam, steam, it comes open a whole chain of work that has to be done
Unknown Speaker 1:03
to the finish stage like everybody wouldn't dare or the family wouldn't dare. Stronger younger men would go digging. For my great grandfather and his gene, it's my name is Jean. I carry his name.
Speaker 1 1:28
He'd be up on a beach with his wife was so old, but the younger men will be out digging the older folks will be organizing the preparation so mum, or my mom's job. Reborn 1925 was to go and get rocks for the steam pit. Somebody else should be digging for Steam, repairing deadly certain rocks. It couldn't be sandstone take the Baroque nose exploding when you heat up the harder rocks preferably black rocks or Blue Rocks the harder ones they don't absorb the water in there and they don't explode when needed but also they were getting certain kinds of seaweed certain kinds of leaves could be shear could be Balsam could be maple or burns depends on taste to the family what director sees in that particular food with it's no different than the season you have today secretaries done and there was also some boards or any logs running could be used if you can engineer would get on top you put some on top about where do you put bigger pores and you're going to sit your rocks on that
Unknown Speaker 3:19
the acquires the rocks will get to read out or even wait
Speaker 1 3:32
then after it's just right you've covered which covered the hotter rocks with seaweed and green boughs of whatever your choice in both since maple leaves cedar forever again in my mom's time there was there were sex but there before they could be seen or bark and things like that to cover that. When your clamps the cams on there, the more seaweed and more cover whether it be cedar bark or sex or canvas
Unknown Speaker 4:14
before resolvers protect the scheme for a certain amount of time when you take it all out and then everybody could put your hand into a crowd or pull the cans out of the shower and then somebody's already gone to get Christmas burn wood sticks sharpened cleaned up so your pocket cleans a certain way doesn't fall apart or don't do it right and it's gonna fall apart. Yeah.
Speaker 1 4:56
What we call it summer can miss Stevens and climb Use that muscle it's another Parliament suspended across the street and raised to hold a candle and then when you roast them over kind of roasted over the fire or you try to look at some old brown turn whatever sticks is nice and brown there's lots of preparation to get to the bottom it can be fixed at the top but of course we got to fire by then and then
Speaker 1 5:39
then when it's done you pull them off the stick and then some of the markers take some or evil man and then you layer on top a bunch of leaves maybe some sacks or something over it and then you step on them
Unknown Speaker 6:00
to squeeze the juice out of it and then you've got rid of a lot of the juice and
Speaker 1 6:10
it's not off his stick and you take it off and he asserted through with ease and cedar bark strength and then you can somewhat kind of smoke some of that engine and do whatever do you have to try to get some moisture it's a long process and now they are what I'm talking to one my life today you do the same thing by putting it in the oven leaving it can open
Unknown Speaker 6:49
up that's cool you said that put one up
Unknown Speaker 6:59
on up we I noticed
Speaker 1 7:08
so buck a weight so it's definitely a globalized P from
Speaker 1 7:23
one point back to my old system here it's got underline which it doesn't have
Unknown Speaker 7:33
I think it was right here what I see Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 7:35
that's it. Yeah. So you've said that people go from all over to with only certain families use that area or how was it done in the old days? Like could anyone go there
Unknown Speaker 7:49
we didn't see anyone that's it gets me see say anyone within a family and that can be from different communities. But not just to anybody like
Speaker 1 8:02
you know the nice people couldn't come in right you know, but on so anybody within a certain community would go there is several communities wouldn't
Unknown Speaker 8:17
he know offhand which communities would have gone to coaching
Speaker 1 8:19
for one pupil for another and others Okay.
Unknown Speaker 8:26
And you know, they've been going here for 1000s years so they're hidden I've been to the site of there and he revealed ski mounds in a way down below the Tidemark entrance
Speaker 1 8:37
now not too long ago, some of the posts were still there I guess late 40s early 50s posters career from the longhouses really I don't know how much later after that there were reports of you being there at that time well
Unknown Speaker 8:57
going so we come to the place name
Unknown Speaker 9:03
Quickflix which is a place of salt you're close
Unknown Speaker 9:17
key is start
Speaker 1 9:36
then we just put an h w in front of it to get precept salt now some like that as a specific spot to sprint or Sprint's some YouTube for the whole island. So there's other names for the whole Given me I couldn't say exactly where it is. I don't know where the Sprinter is hot springs. I'm told it's more more than two months, but yeah,
Unknown Speaker 10:12
there's about 14 of them up here. All that all on this side of the island. That name
Unknown Speaker 10:23
you heard of other names for Saltspring. Yeah, like, for example, what other people name the island.
Unknown Speaker 10:31
I'd have to wait for another time.
Unknown Speaker 10:32
Okay
Unknown Speaker 10:39
so does that name conjure up anything just besides the plate from salt? The stories associated with
Speaker 1 10:50
I don't have any answer given by the freeholders we have left. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 10:57
Okay. Now I on one of the health commitment treaty group maps they had St. Mary's Lake identified this place from Hazza. Yeah.
Speaker 1 11:10
Question. Yeah, because I heard different names that do
Unknown Speaker 11:13
so What name have you heard for? St. Mary's?
Unknown Speaker 11:19
I can't remember at this time. And so my question, is that Nick, really salty?
Unknown Speaker 11:29
No, I'm saying, isn't
Unknown Speaker 11:31
it? Not at all. It's a big, shallow
Unknown Speaker 11:37
Salt Springs north of it. And of course, Walker's book has the name. Aikman and would that be on it? Would that be used by different people? Or I mean, I know the pelicans have quite a connection to this place. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 11:58
Who said that one?
Unknown Speaker 12:00
That's from one of your old the whole Camino treaty group maps?
Speaker 1 12:03
Yeah, sure. Hey. The way I've read Darwin is my man so I'm going to follow up on that because some of our translators are very young and don't speak green they're coming out fast so I need to follow up on your hat your hat
Unknown Speaker 12:42
your hat yeah man
Unknown Speaker 12:51
biology make sure
Unknown Speaker 12:54
and of course it's when you talked about it maybe you could tell us a bit more about stop
Unknown Speaker 13:00
shot which is halibut
Unknown Speaker 13:12
long harbor a little bit of a no no it used to be a lot of
Speaker 1 13:21
ducks going there used to be very good place to get ducks earlier we used to put up nets with the ducks believe later on at a shelter good place for shotgun when he said he's been shot and gun he can line up two or three canoes come in and then the ducks will be all like question then at some Kammenos you have to play out
Unknown Speaker 13:58
the lead net
Speaker 1 14:03
and I'm also told that a certain time has stopped or the halibut could be going to come to the shallow I'm going to point them towards their normally a deep fish. Deep water fish. Take the time to do come to the shower. I'm sure you can spare them. Wow.
Unknown Speaker 14:26
And like I said it was another another climbing place to
Unknown Speaker 14:29
I guess yeah.
Speaker 1 14:32
That wasn't the only spot production of a whole Ganges. Aereos screech that's Ganges and
Unknown Speaker 14:41
then getting to the next place name is we have this one. This is well known to the Saanich. They actually named this place Walter Bay, who's a big sense that year and they call it C house. But this is the spelling that I got from one a year mouse. Car what and they said the little Spanish people you're talking to said it meant something to plates to be cautious there's something to do with caution and they related it to two different things one exposed weather like winds prevailing winds from its way and also the fact that it was exposed somebody came around this corner here did see right away and you wouldn't see them coming I don't know I just wonder if you recall any couch and
Unknown Speaker 15:29
I noticed shocked it's very similar to that because that name conjure up any luck for me at this time
Unknown Speaker 15:47
and then you wait wherever any names for better speech or any of the places around the East Side
Unknown Speaker 15:55
no one not for me
Unknown Speaker 15:58
sort of a big gap in here and then of course we have this one that you talked about an ancestor of yours drowned their snow that's known Could you tell us briefly about that story again
Speaker 1 16:32
you might find it in some maps as beaver point and they're helping me I'm translation from for beaver point is strokes and beaver nose I know that just Nam from my family history
Speaker 1 17:00
kind of recently going back to maybe four or five generations Creek Creek granddad Romney agrees to drop the river there she was kidding.
Speaker 1 17:15
And she didn't notice remnants she slipped and drowning and the other story that's within our families we always went there and some of them were coming in buildings over there. The reason why that was a favorite spot was because of the groundwater that used to be there and probably students there. It's pretty water. And so one of the things we were waiting for, we said which is you are sick to guild trek. And I'm guessing around March is early spring
Speaker 1 18:15
in how did they have this? So with a harpoon and you'd wait there be there long before it came up? But eventually they come to the surface just kind of broke there and then you know somebody's walking quick. And you go out and why where did we catch it? We used the fat grams or the fat but also the skin was used for some people
Unknown Speaker 18:53
we were
Speaker 1 18:57
another story we met families and we just passed the name down to one of my nephews not in the not too distant past 80 years 100 years drew siblings were out in a canoe and a girl came up with a squat squat on the sudden, sudden wind usually spring to it happens. Seven Squall came up. You won't be able to get to shrine came and dropped again. So no stories in their family and it backs up the name of that place. Pitching with all the stories that go with that case. So you know anyway. Talking about the stories have confirmed the name of that place.
Unknown Speaker 20:02
So when you when you mentioned your family this is your family from cook solid
Unknown Speaker 20:10
now that can come from
Unknown Speaker 20:21
so these two gentlemen they die or they drowned
Unknown Speaker 20:24
a sister and
Unknown Speaker 20:27
yeah they died off this place
Unknown Speaker 20:28
yeah
Unknown Speaker 20:31
we were talking to the Saanich elders they mentioned you know Russell Island Yeah little island at the entrance here and they gave us this name for it and it's this is in the sandwich of course clubmark Tamaqua I wonder if that means and they they weren't quite sure of the translation but it had something to do with bones
Unknown Speaker 20:54
like clubmark was I'm not sure about the seat slash quick sound that is
Unknown Speaker 21:07
said as somebody whose bones are the body
Unknown Speaker 21:13
same storage it gave you are able to find at least the grill right away or you know within a certain density but
Unknown Speaker 21:29
what am I wrong? I'm Ron Vaughn one of the bones later on while we are something two years at the beach but they never found the other one of these two siblings central how to save money but to follow up on
Unknown Speaker 21:57
you know the names of the two the two individuals who
Speaker 1 22:00
drowned Not off the top of my head but I do have them written down in prayer
Unknown Speaker 22:07
Okay, now we're in Fulford harbour proper and could you talk maybe a bit of a fool for norburn Indian name and then maybe we can discuss this this photograph here and the you know the story is about ownership and to get into that
Unknown Speaker 22:27
net for Fulford.
Unknown Speaker 22:43
Maintenance
Speaker 1 22:47
harbor Now, earlier I told you the government of the day back in the 1800s allotted some certain areas to certain individuals or communities and cultures to or like for them to come and make a deal or a treaty with with the culture but at that time they saw fit to make treaties with other communities north of collagen and south of collagen and in doing so, they've added some of the common areas common areas been many people use many communities use those areas
Unknown Speaker 23:37
for for footprint is definitely one of those areas main island particularly active path area production area which is north east end of strength but as far as Quinonez goes we had a great presence over there was Stephen leaving a lot of power in between who should own
Speaker 1 24:19
who should own corporate however reserved found out what I'm told one of the last people there was this Ad Grants tourney for was married dressed up up poet
Speaker 1 24:41
some multinode wasn't so it's one of those things I unders know who was here last one pacing
Unknown Speaker 24:52
the couple that were apparently murdered or disappeared.
Unknown Speaker 24:56
That's another couple another one yeah. Do I couldn't tell I couldn't go much further than that. Yeah, I'd be just speculating and guessing Okay, we have to give them the answers
Unknown Speaker 25:09
yeah okay
Unknown Speaker 25:15
for now oh and how about how would you translate that name
Speaker 1 25:26
there's many different ways of saying it the most common one is a dropped bottom or something yeah
Unknown Speaker 25:38
the end of that word is definitely referring to a bottom Another example is meant to be a plate saying that same end in a different bucket same ending the answer cover the bottom one
Unknown Speaker 26:02
refers to the base of the bay why why would they ask the bottom in there yeah who knows
Unknown Speaker 26:19
net nets
Unknown Speaker 26:24
okay, I guess we'll talk about the name from Antoine Dwayne Swain
Speaker 1 26:34
just happens that dwama is very close to Twain and spelling and in sound in a way with Twomey from another country not sure it's German.
Unknown Speaker 26:50
Irish maybe whatever
Speaker 1 26:52
it is, it's not from here. But our word for it is to n in front of what I'm told it's something to do with that species
Speaker 1 27:07
Some say it's the whole south facing side yellow some seats the whole south facing part of that mountain in some seat Kip kappa along the beach seems like older versions means that the whole of south facing slope in showing to learn
Unknown Speaker 27:41
I came across an old story it's been published a few times about this man. So hey, listen. If you're in your association with the mountain, they're
Speaker 1 27:55
going to give a very brief one another one. You may or may not have an S in front of it read
Unknown Speaker 28:12
some juicy Hello, Sam face
Speaker 1 28:19
already give a very short version of it. There's a whole bunch of brothers. That can be one of them. And one of the brothers does something to cause him to get behind. So for whatever reason, they dropped him up there. He was from what I'm told to restrict him from I
Speaker 1 28:55
don't know he or somebody worked on him to get his eyes back. But when he got a judge back when he opened his eyes flashed thunder like lightning. Yeah. So and he used that to I guess to threaten people. Okay, I had to bring him food and eventually got to Riyadh to bring him like the daughter so Can my wife to what's the word a geezer so people don't
Unknown Speaker 29:37
are just settling down. Yeah, you're appeasing. So, he's a chameleon. Certain kind of wealth during waves. So for them to be you had to kill them somehow. And somehow they pan out. They
Speaker 1 30:03
Here's a sea of the pat a hole seal and then Korea's recent chest and you guys check up on that but that will be the short version of that story well and various descendants from that story that are here today there's many names and associated with that and they had been used some families don't want to be known and I can expect that I can repeat so his name's Wright Brothers
Unknown Speaker 30:49
this all took place on
Unknown Speaker 30:51
Sylvain join latter part of it took place at the beginning part of it starts with Herb had been brewing for a while this this kind of problem between brothers
Speaker 1 31:09
but it's kind of come through a hated head picky rock that reporting between Joanne and 3.0 Yeah
Unknown Speaker 31:18
so reef marketing
Unknown Speaker 31:19
yeah that's kind of where it started during that
Unknown Speaker 31:26
those are named for that rock because they have a name here
Unknown Speaker 31:28
yeah it's centile option which is your big toe
Unknown Speaker 31:39
the name for rock?
Unknown Speaker 31:54
Club W
Unknown Speaker 32:05
let's rock what is the English name for that rock?
Unknown Speaker 32:07
I think it's PT
Unknown Speaker 32:08
okay because that means big toe
Unknown Speaker 32:13
yeah I used to be so within my
Unknown Speaker 32:21
lawyer co2 The screening that's there
Unknown Speaker 32:30
there's two kinds there
Unknown Speaker 32:31
there were both there to 10
Unknown Speaker 32:36
he in screechie we
Unknown Speaker 32:55
what's the difference?
Speaker 1 32:59
Yeah, they call it the Raiders. Taking the Raider crypto butter the big ones the squeaky and small some called Wait Are we nurturance
Unknown Speaker 33:15
there's a rock there Musgrave rocket. Here's another plates name we got something to do with excrement and the head
Speaker 1 33:27
lady what
Speaker 1 33:38
okay, this would be a lot of birds before takeoff and ducks and lots of sea seabirds so they used to be just hundreds of maybe 1000s So that rock was put back to white with extra WhatsApp
Unknown Speaker 34:05
and there's another place along here I'm not sure exactly where it is. They don't know that part of the island but he cut them the little drummer plays there's something called
Unknown Speaker 34:17
like them. That's it.
Speaker 1 34:22
And there's some discrepancy in which one it is. So I want to comment on it. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 34:27
because that seems to be the case. I mean, I found different accounts and they're not sure where it was. Yeah, but what does that name suggests anything why would they call it that? Okay,
Speaker 1 34:36
call with them would be either could be an abortion or drum. Drumming your call would come
Unknown Speaker 34:50
so Kiko it's a little Yeah, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 34:55
Drumming place.
Unknown Speaker 34:56
So why why?
Unknown Speaker 34:59
Why do you think they would need I have that name there suggest anything
Speaker 1 35:05
one of the one of the ones that heard now whether it relates to this one or not, I don't know. But there is a bit of drummer fish yeah and only certain people here now I don't know what release to this is particularly relevant or not.
Unknown Speaker 35:27
That's interesting so that'd be sort of like a spiritual entity or an actual fish
Speaker 1 35:34
that makes it sound it's a good question Is it accurate or is it spiritual
Unknown Speaker 35:46
and then we we talked about this last time a bit you said that there were a lot of different places named this name has to do with the senator Cave of the Thunderbird
Speaker 1 35:58
why Sayla Yeah. Yeah, there's quite a few different places that would that name but still kind of we talked about it a certain way so I can't really pinpoint where the
Unknown Speaker 36:15
cleric with the elders I see because they're very near obviously.
Unknown Speaker 36:18
Very special.
Unknown Speaker 36:20
Yeah. What would be the name for a sacred place? Like if I heard the name Yeah.
Speaker 1 36:31
We'd be just the word secret you need to put some words before after to pinpoint a place or an action or something that
Unknown Speaker 36:42
I picked okay.
Unknown Speaker 36:52
So, that designation might be applied in sites like this, I mean, the Thunderbird yes or yes.
Speaker 1 37:02
Also that word in a little bit different tone could be used to some giant blue or something he has getting beaten down to certain things that one has to do and become an orphan so that's you got to do some things so it could be for an action you might have to do or it could be a place so depending on what words you use it or phrase and can kind of change the meaning of sacred
Unknown Speaker 37:44
and maybe a few if you'd like you can tell us again about slot clock what's the practice
Unknown Speaker 37:56
yeah
Speaker 1 37:58
question has been big and not natural
Unknown Speaker 38:07
where certain individuals
Speaker 1 38:16
made their spending they were did and put in something like across the country or somewhere in your chest to make like they were dead and be like that gets ran out or something. And legal scene is watching for a long time the guy had to keep reading stuff. Who knows how long all day today
Unknown Speaker 38:41
in we kept absolutely still that ego will come in to get you come up come investigate first. You'll be kept up to the scale he'd be able to catch that that ego
Unknown Speaker 38:57
maybe moved Grinch in any way that eagle would chuck away fly away literally is in there like twice? Calculus Fly Fly away plays something that affects your mood he twitched and Eagle was gone away at a short version of
Unknown Speaker 39:30
it, yeah. And what would be the significance I mean, if the bird didn't fly away
Speaker 1 39:37
well, you know cut the bird or you cut to finish and for some bigger is a bigger accomplishment. You have this from an eagle without Geneva. We definitely have some rigor to take the whole bird. But still it's epic feat because how many people over Catch a nega with a mare hands
Unknown Speaker 40:05
you mentioned this was the golden eagle
Speaker 1 40:06
yes that Golden Eagle but you know definitely other others would also commend Mecca bogging the picture he was the golden eagle right
Unknown Speaker 40:24
of course that's overlooking this place
Unknown Speaker 40:28
Qualcomm
Unknown Speaker 40:30
Qualcomm just head straight below which is probably going be at near the area where there's quite a few different families but one of the last ones to leave was while we asked Dad while we I believe she married Jake's as younger so her dad owns some of that land there and from what we're told the government promised to buy land from her father but never get compensated for them as far as we know. divorced families so her dad was from confer might be Ben George great, great uncle
Unknown Speaker 41:34
any idea that the other families might have been used the clock will not
Speaker 1 41:39
up and I'd have to try and trace it back because I CJ used to talk about it. She was one born in 1883 and she's talked about the grand Golden Beige he talked about cliquish and the trips up there and also look out towards I think he might Cognex will point towards the power line from Nickleby Napoleon goes across points with lookout points to watch for invaders so there should be some maintenance up there and apply there project she said was bad I've never been there but she said it's flat up there not top of the hill they're like a quarter of the way up the mountain
Unknown Speaker 42:38
level look so what would be the how these lookouts operate the work in practice
Unknown Speaker 42:46
you think somebody was there all the time
Unknown Speaker 42:50
others would be watching and I guess you'd make some sort of signal
Speaker 1 42:54
and not counted runners rescue people well known beaten runners are now one of our brothers is one of the great runners and
Unknown Speaker 43:13
could you give us the Indian name for Mount maxel and then just a brief
Unknown Speaker 43:20
description of the story mate at some
Speaker 1 43:28
Yeah, some see make some say made some difference being m or n at the end we're going to have to go back to the oldest and see which one is most the most the M or the n
Unknown Speaker 43:51
that means bent over
Unknown Speaker 43:52
via hiring bend over place this very slight difference the M word making do an action or what that thing done by mountain in this case get bent over the N word it's been done actually has been done
Unknown Speaker 44:18
it can be either very Yeah.
Speaker 1 44:22
So I need to get to the bottom of the mind.
Unknown Speaker 44:26
Okay yeah, that's cool.
Unknown Speaker 44:31
The name now we're getting up to going all the way around the island here we're
Unknown Speaker 44:34
doing great to a tugboat Captain
Unknown Speaker 44:43
stop Marlon nice Tama. Exactly location I couldn't pinpoint. More and tamo Hmm and the only difference is one shenana con of heroin hasn't
Unknown Speaker 45:07
so that made a difference in meaning or just don't wait no
Speaker 1 45:24
refers to link one, my TAs taught them not to some of them the key my key is now lick one. That's that one called top mark would be more of like the name of the place
Unknown Speaker 45:47
they can both be used for a place because I wonder because I've seen different maps. One description I read refer to the water because water is really warm. Their form is the warmest water in the island. Really? Yeah, and then I've seen the name given to the mountain there. Yeah. So maybe one of those might refer to the mountain more specific
Speaker 1 46:17
this could be Jimmy, I'm guessing Yeah. This could be the water that could be the place Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 46:25
Okay. More or less total
Speaker 1 46:28
water and sometimes you heard me say tuck them from a my teeth sometimes there's very little difference between cute grand coaching and some some words are just like a tuck them in. Come on Comm one could be coupon could be college, which
Unknown Speaker 46:54
kind of makes sense because you're moving up here towards the innkeeper Island people. We
Speaker 1 46:59
have another place honeymoon. Honeymoon baby last week. Oh yeah, there's a mountain over there. Yeah, really. Another one is cleanup some which is Greenpoint fixing up some maze. I think it's marble Bay. It should be just after you were going up the river into coach and now you're in coaching lake you keep going up his shoreline and and all of a sudden there's gonna be a big kind of slobby now that showed me that it's Eclipse but there's also a good eclipse in that follow your path. So in this case, it's in a campground so
Unknown Speaker 47:53
how would you explain their relationship to their audience are the same people Yes, loving origin. Good abuse by
Unknown Speaker 47:59
the Phoenix community. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 48:00
which has a village in the village site in Cowichan. River Delta. So you remember any other names for for Boothbay? Like I've come across this name on different maps, and other sources like flatline and lon the line?
Speaker 1 48:22
Yeah, because of all the different names coming up I'm hesitant to say no, yeah,
Unknown Speaker 48:26
because either who knows where they came from.
Unknown Speaker 48:29
One of the names was similar to snowing eight which is Gimenez harbor was a very niche and very close to that center on its name. Some of the elders call which pay for that one because
Unknown Speaker 48:50
of the way it yeah that name what does that naming name somebody was going in or something
Unknown Speaker 48:59
inside but anyhow, we're kind of
Unknown Speaker 49:06
we've heard that for boot canal. It's interesting.
Unknown Speaker 49:12
Now looking for pengar another similar one is snow and snow which is where that development is in there and the problem with the Born poet poets Oh yeah. That's one of the names for this.
Unknown Speaker 49:40
Hold that thought.
Unknown Speaker 49:47
Snow Well, it's is one of the names for what's called Snow wallet.
Speaker 1 50:03
This one hadn't been approved by all the elders. But I do know from my family, okay
Speaker 1 50:14
some pages have several meanings depending on which family or community Blanca from my family Snellings the game that refers to that I guess the indentation unaligned sinew is sinew is inside inside something worse when you look at his house, so that B becomes inside of the island. So it's kind of what it refers to by that sinew Snowland center with eights and so on it's a
Unknown Speaker 50:53
very descriptive name for a specific kind of geographical feature here we go like booth canal you go in there and keeps going there's even a similar name for I believe Montague Harbour Okay, yeah some No Yeah, I guess a similar kind of
Speaker 1 51:17
sensor you're going in now? Some No. Again, there's two or three different ways of seeing that one. And I believe it's depending where he cooper or coaching Saanich will be different.
Unknown Speaker 51:36
So you say there's a
Unknown Speaker 51:38
distinct difference between the couch and dialect and the keeper it just didn't sound or is it in words are
Speaker 1 51:45
the words are similar? The sounding is no different. Yeah
Unknown Speaker 51:55
it's almost gone. And he should be back. No. Because one of the keeper phrases Haeju city how are you? Fine. Are you okay? Encouraging. It's a Eternal City. You don't say that last part of
Speaker 1 52:28
my, my uncle, partial luck when you're a senior in college until you read about 10 And he went to his grandparents place and stayed in Cooper for a number of years. Before he came back to college, and when he got home, we went to see his grandpa. And he said you Josephine. And grandpa said in English. I guess that's okay. You aren't part of Cooper. Like in college and here we see Josephine that's how he found out that it was the owl was cute. Interesting and he shared quite a few words with me that are Cupar.
Unknown Speaker 53:27
Now do you recall any names for the Vesuvius area that didn't seem I haven't found anything like say between booth canal and study point? I mean
Speaker 1 53:37
Yeah, have you written down but I I definitely don't have in my head
Unknown Speaker 53:43
and also I know there's some some rock paintings up there waiting for thought point that should be Indian
Unknown Speaker 53:55
Hello long haul I mean
Unknown Speaker 53:58
for the name for the the actual figures or the red paintings or one of the rocks they're very faded now but they're just north of the the ferry dock better that that could be some hippie stuff. Yeah, phenom would make those they be the only individuals that do that sort of thing. Like to do I mean read paintings aren't very common here.
Unknown Speaker 54:29
No, they're not come on. Come on. From what I've heard is not only scam that do that. So we don't I couldn't really see. Because I don't know. You know why they
Unknown Speaker 54:47
would do something like that there.
Speaker 1 54:51
Just lots of possibilities, but again, have a good go into it. I'm guessing. Yeah. We don't need to hear it from They just Yeah, I understand the older elders. Yep. For sure.
Unknown Speaker 55:10
That covers all the plates days I think maybe we talked last time about the Ganges canoes give you gave us this name
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to describe this feature
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the word fitzer Word
Speaker 1 55:41
would be a verb to be used as a verb, but it's also used as a noun, which describes the portage or pullover place between genius and Cooper before they get out. You got there in the Tigers out you had to put your cream and that's that's the action that's the grip of pushing pulling, pushing pulling but huge noun for that particular place.
Unknown Speaker 56:18
So what would you have when you put this sh in front of it?
Speaker 1 56:24
The SH usually is an action show so in this case shutter what the action is shutter with shutter what is the action of doing it?
Speaker 1 56:53
That is with the ACH before the second ACH makes it the case. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 57:01
And you said they use the Salomon settlement
Speaker 1 57:04
as your pawns depending on a season, if your receptors running, you could premier polls and make it much easier. And certain polls were prepared. One family says I believe these polls are very good for that. And that states that their samples are very slippery to begin with. But definitely any color that you could peel or that blends in for any point when you're
Unknown Speaker 57:41
sort of straight
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call looks new, which is the snow off now let's dig into filtering.
Unknown Speaker 58:06
You have any specific questions?
Unknown Speaker 58:07
The only thing that you remember when we talked to the Saanich group was he called that little island by Isabel point salt and they were wondering why. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 58:17
they call it top loaner or they give it the it's a little rock here. The bullet point rock and they gave it this this thing. Software but he said it was salt
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and salt and we're wondering why it filtered. But it makes
Unknown Speaker 58:37
me wonder maybe you'd mix it up with somewhere else.
Unknown Speaker 58:40
I couldn't see. I do have an internet but I don't have in my head.
Speaker 1 58:48
I have a name for that in the quick let's build it really here's your very important place you can because I know you see your dreams and here's the water there is camper there
Unknown Speaker 59:04
should be minimal there. There is a huge mountain and a longhouse site actually rectangular depression. Suddenly, very interestingly found just a few weeks ago, way up in here it's about 300 meters up because Shellmound about four feet deep by about 100 feet long 300 meters up in the woods. Like wonder why it would be so far from the sewer. I mean, I'll think of all the labor to take all those kinds of
Speaker 1 59:36
results was Springwater here decided to quit
Unknown Speaker 59:43
Wow, I'd love to know name. Are there any other names? We haven't covered? Come to you often. I have a
Speaker 1 59:50
whole bunch of names but I need to remember the elders because we didn't have like one elder one family. Yeah. To get it out. Two or more elders have that's what our offices at least you guys have to pass in before we can write it down. Oh, that's sort of the protocol. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:00:11
Because yeah, because accuracy and accuracy is
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very important is the town. Yeah. The creek here. We got a quick screen
Speaker 1 1:00:33
we have another island is very clear. Creek over here. Yes. So these two creeks have the same name. But I have to get okay. They're really supposed to
Unknown Speaker 1:00:47
that is it? Like I believe the Saltspring name for that a second Creek second
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that one?
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I think so
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I've never heard him.
Unknown Speaker 1:00:55
I have some information for you. I don't know if you may know already. But we went there was a talk. Last week is historical society by a son of an early settler lived up here the laundries needs to buy they sell sheet and they bought actually a lot of couching people bought wool from the 30s, I guess. And he said that there's petroglyphs on that second creek that are visible from the water. You guys identify those are?
Speaker 1 1:01:24
Not we didn't put a map. That was also the same over here or used to be. I believe it's been moved away. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 1:01:33
it has been moved. But it's now down in the little park there.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:37
So these two are, are part of the same one.
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And with this, Patrick, let's be back our people
Speaker 1 1:01:47
from what I'm told. Now, you'll probably hear different from saying
Speaker 1 1:01:56
we have the reason as to why. But the purpose of it was Could you share that with us? No, I can at this time.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:07
So we should probably keep it secret to this. Patrick was there? Yeah, yeah. I was wondering about that myself. Because I didn't know about this until this guy told me. Nielsen said there was one up here that's buried because I need them woman because of the trouble. I don't know if you know the story, but a lager found the one in Salford it was down at the point of land and out there and he was there was a rock was interfering with his log booms one day at a really low tide, he pulled it up. And there was this face on the rock. And then he moved it to his property. And the government made and take it back. And then this woman heard about it over here. And she knew that there was a lock on her property and she buried. So now it's buried. I'm trying to find out where.
Speaker 1 1:02:51
So those were very sacred rocks. So the way my family talks about it, because of what they consider disintegration to that rock, they turn it over. So I don't know what he's turned over when a guy pulled it out. But our story is that because of what has happened in Kaiser what somebody was doing a rock, you know, the certain things was supposed to be done there. And we went there with some guys and turn it over. So treating patient down when he moved it was you know, is
Unknown Speaker 1:03:37
there an Indian name to describe that kind of rock? Like a carved rock? Yeah,
Speaker 1 1:03:43
I can't remember. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 1:03:46
because I don't know, I just in the old in the Cowichan dictionary. They had this name to describe writing, and I've heard this. People use that to describe some of these images. They don't make a distinction between the writing we're doing here. And you know, the images that they use to do
Unknown Speaker 1:04:07
so right now that you're talking over already.
Unknown Speaker 1:04:19
This one's Jalon okay.
Speaker 1 1:04:23
If you're talking and I'm breaking down what you're saying to your story, okay, great. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:04:32
So can you use that name to describe pictures?
Speaker 1 1:04:37
No, there's a certain word for it. But anything that's written is Sahil. So, if you don't know the angry Chai, you could say that Iraq is here. For your story of Sheffield now it's written.
Unknown Speaker 1:04:58
Could you write this out? Do you
Speaker 1 1:05:09
feel written now whether it be stored as written or that rock? Is that something written down it meant that something recommended or designed and that Hello comes from the same word but request to the building
Unknown Speaker 1:05:29
yeah yeah the story I've heard I mean they were designs on the morning
Speaker 1 1:05:36
so it seemed like there were several clear so one of them being between like Eastern highway by Super bridge on this side of the river to where the lagoons is in that area was
Speaker 1 1:06:01
engaging so that pace so we didn't stay there for a while but eventually they just did it. They're very tempting place at the present day. Hello. as history has talked about, my mother in law was from France. She shares how she relayed the story of her family to a note from college insane
Unknown Speaker 1:06:26
the people from Hello out they must have gone over to salt scary and uncertain. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 1:06:35
You know, there were no boundaries. And you know, all of us here lived in his house, you know, you're not gonna have a boundary as you can, as you can see, can come and say that. So this whole area was, was our home. So it was encouraging that I wasn't what we know as couching today, but we had to come to places, other rooms and other places where they went to do their harvest journey some families preferred food from some other place no different from today. My son likes to go to Wendy's but my daughter likes to go to McDonald's
Unknown Speaker 1:07:24
my mom didn't like fish from like salmon or Greek or salmon estate. My grandfather like fish from Richards Greek coho but my mom would eat fish from fish fidelity which is the quick notice out of what is now the lagoon which is having different from someone's Creek Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 1:07:51
I've heard the same like Adi Celeste told me the same thing with clams Yeah, certain beaches on Saltspring that were better known for certain types of clever he gets a jack clams from here. Not from there.
Speaker 1 1:08:04
It's good yeah some of my family after harvesting lots and lots and lots of sea urchins have gone over to my family before I do I went through some Samsung knows rather than the Gulf Islands meaning like anger and hatred he said the urgent from the Gulf Islands was too salty
Unknown Speaker 1:08:37
because it'd be closer to the open
Speaker 1 1:08:41
country redacted yeah the water yeah of course we get the coaching base understands when you got to coach me, which means you're in later on
Speaker 1 1:08:59
is getting rich and would be mid 50s. You were clogged spaces and saucepan. Yeah. Okay. There's one particular it's kind of a larger be clogged is that big bay, but it's kind of slow. But there's a tiny little kind of an NB inside the bay. Okay. The Urchins from there tasted like and smell like crap. But you go this way towards the narrow Partek berry Leyland they're all okay. But there. She takes the water contaminated. Tasted and smelled like crap. The worst days England was really smelly. Yeah. So I wouldn't do it three times per 10 rows back. Yeah, you're lucky
Unknown Speaker 1:10:00
Has there been an Indian placing for the Kellogg park property area?
Unknown Speaker 1:10:06
I haven't come across one I
Unknown Speaker 1:10:07
think this one might be from there that when we were talking earlier
Unknown Speaker 1:10:16
okay I mean
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need like an important place or a significant place anyway
Speaker 1 1:10:24
so one of the elders what you heard was close to there he doesn't know this spiritually or do something underwater so who knows? But yeah, he was camping and just taking a nice quiet night and heroes he didn't know what people are for but there was anyone who didn't know where he's coming from our country just doing our damage minimizing neck soft
Unknown Speaker 1:11:01
soft drumming or something interesting
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so some continue to follow up on with gloves
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yeah
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I'll give him the map where where he heard it?
Unknown Speaker 1:11:19
Yeah, there was that place
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you gotten about
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as much as I can?
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Why okay
Speaker 1 1:11:49
it's just hotspring report and crosses theory this is meant to be Yeah. Somewhere near which point I don't know. But somewhere better point to the power line. Is your flat rock
Unknown Speaker 1:12:06
I don't know if it's water partway down this electric table so how would I choose a table? I don't know. But it seems to be at least the size of assignments and outcomes somewhere there
Unknown Speaker 1:12:30
on the Vancouver Island side
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yeah
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just the usual rock any significance in this spot?
Unknown Speaker 1:12:39
Yeah. We can get into some other cameras okay.
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The Orca and Selenium
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WebDriver in the boat and kept my eyes open
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course with each
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too yes
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don't know much and
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look him in the chin
Speaker 1 1:14:03
my encounter, most of the elders would call it black fish. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:14:08
Is how would you translate that in English literally? Just to give me an idea of the fruits of blackness. No.
Unknown Speaker 1:14:20
Traveling to do is that the whole
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the dorsal Yeah.
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Which part
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of it is or just it's like you have an idea how the words work
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and much
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refers to the to the kind of the back
Speaker 1 1:14:52
not sure of now it'd be kinda getting a condition. The condition will be on
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condition of having everything in your back
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oh
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some will say much in some of them as in front of it
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okay
Speaker 1 1:15:13
very few now going back in COVID machine good a long time ago chemical all the way
Unknown Speaker 1:15:27
which would be more talking about condition at the bank yeah yes some cases are good condition met cookies some equity would mess and finally to be heard
Unknown Speaker 1:15:52
well just because I just thought about it I've seen like it was looking at like a weird like Panella village name and someone from Panella her being spot nella
Speaker 1 1:16:06
I hear two stories from two bananas I used the condition of being buried on a site. So, one of the things you see that the condition is the house is kind of buried in one side. So, I take a DB on an AO side a house there and then that the hill and over time you know the ground is kind of works downhill. Big build up and now that side is kind of buried this will make it a condition. Okay condition being buried. The other one is a cedar tree. We know there's been limbs come down, such as the ground and eventually, over the years the branches became very probably even pick up some trees here. And the condition is that branches everywhere is a hunch refers to the side side of the house. The side of the tree the branches of the tree.
Unknown Speaker 1:17:21
That's interesting, because there's an origin story there, which you probably know about some of the first people of Cooper coming out from some logs on the beach cedar logs
Unknown Speaker 1:17:33
if there's a connection there Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:17:41
I'll get some, like older information than most older
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older people Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:17:57
Yeah, we're gonna be talking to him hopefully soon.
Unknown Speaker 1:18:04
So how would you
Unknown Speaker 1:18:06
do this? I have to seven I just want to ask Arvid to how, like we were going to design that kind of a title page. Picture boys. And we were wondering if we could get a logo from your band, like something that you identify? Could we use that and I
Unknown Speaker 1:18:22
get permission on Yeah, I'll ask around.
Unknown Speaker 1:18:28
Because I know the different groups like say in Hong Kong treaty group have you know, couch a certain symbol and
Unknown Speaker 1:18:34
an elephant animal the
Unknown Speaker 1:18:36
difference? So we were just thinking it might be an interesting idea, like when we do our map and the island to play things is to have somebody logos like you know, sort of in the rough area around the island. You know, get them just what we want to really do is just you know, educate people about the ancient history of the place.
Speaker 1 1:18:56
Just for a quick information where I'm at I really believe we all mean and all the different nations around here need Dragon Age each other. What I'm leading to is in Saanich streams like Fulford harbour they had a presence there. But we also had a presence out in that gulf Island Saudi Kim Jeong Sook had a presence in Naka generis but that second one where the reservists name and gave her own Oh yeah. So she had a presence here they had their permanent dwelling or dwelling.
Speaker 1 1:19:50
Nine we had a presence in Drina throwing spot, not just a tiny spot But I also don't want to, I don't want to recognize that. I see we should but in turn and we need to recognize this in places like Pepe lagoon, where the Persians here we work on trying to get some of the eldest prescribed support. Here they hear me talk about no Saanich way in there but Elsa called me back here and Saanich completely stolen all of that with no culture and it begins there. Near Quebec, a presence here in Santa Monica Gu, many communities were there
Speaker 1 1:20:54
the reserve Park and beyond me and one more area of main island, active bass has many areas lined up Alana is coaching does it not in order, maybe beach there should have meetings they're going in from Helens point to push the pace the speed at Jack's place here coaching Phoenix, and then join his BS in their fake bad BS in their 20s Being coaching the game and others forever, not only once, all around in there, but the government of the day sought to give it to the community's own net
Unknown Speaker 1:21:41
savage ones.
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Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:21:46
Yeah, I think I mean, we were talking about this coming over. It's, you know, the Western imposed governance system, which demands the sort of strict boundaries. And that's not the way it was in the old days. And I know that from my own family history in New Zealand, you know, it's family and they marry people from other families and then share the reef, right? Am I correct in that? Like so a man saved from keeper island? He married a woman from the Saanich I mean, wouldn't they share the resources little family? Yeah, yeah. And so today? Yeah. So when you when you have and even a lot of native people don't see that anymore. They've forgotten this.
Speaker 1 1:22:25
A lot of our names come from Bella, Bella, Bella, Camilla, and yeah, really? She check. She shocked? Yeah, yeah. And this presents both me and me, name's Anna Trevor's leaving me in charge her names up nowadays to tell where you're from or what your what you're attached to. Next you're attached to Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 1:22:54
so a name could be associated with resources. Yeah, there are places that you would go to get for
Speaker 1 1:23:02
a Christian we go back just a few years. It's some some of it. But for those that know, wow. You must be rich. This team is connected to which talking about me connected to Allah, which is streaming Yama and Orcas Island. Connection.
Unknown Speaker 1:23:27
It's so cool.
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Anyway, well, my uncle.
Unknown Speaker 1:23:34
Very good. Thank you very much.
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