Salt Spring Island Archives
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316_Mr-Trench-Lord-Ashtown_Frank-Neumann_2014.mp3
otter.ai
8.02.2024
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Outline
Speaker 1 0:00
I want to know the background. I mean, how much do you already know? Well, no, actually very little because it's the other side of the world.
Unknown Speaker 0:13
But how much do we know about the Musgrave so?
Speaker 2 0:15
Well, of course I'm not a Musgrave. My great grandmother was the mother. Yes. So, my family name is Trent.
Unknown Speaker 0:23
Lord Ashtown.
Unknown Speaker 0:29
Ashtown Ashtown. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 0:39
My grandfather and my great uncle, they came here and my great grandfather was younger because we could often change he bought the land
Unknown Speaker 0:48
at Musgrave.
Speaker 2 0:51
people's land in about 18 1880s 1890s. It's in Charles's book. And the reason the reason we think he bought it, I hadn't, until I saw
Unknown Speaker 1:04
it was the trench side of family that actually bought
Speaker 2 1:08
my father was married to Mariah Musgrave. Right. So I think Edward Musgrave. Who's the man who had the land is I think her uncle. Right. Okay, so, my, let's go back to Ireland for a minute. My great grandfather was the youngest son. The second lodash down, okay, so he didn't inherit everything. But he had an estate called Sopwell Hall which features in some in some in the I've seen it but a stock with all the software or I've got the book that Mr. Bhatia is it Imperial Vancouver and who's who?
Unknown Speaker 1:54
I don't know too much more than I do
Speaker 2 1:56
know the book Brian recently about the Imperial Vancouver Island eight WHO IS WHO 1850 to 19.
Unknown Speaker 2:03
Vaguely in my memory, but
Unknown Speaker 2:04
you've probably got it.
Unknown Speaker 2:07
Possibly. Okay, well,
Unknown Speaker 2:08
there's something about the trenches as
Unknown Speaker 2:13
you're recording this.
Unknown Speaker 2:21
One a little closer.
Speaker 2 2:23
So my great grandfather lived at Sofitel in Tipperary. He had four sons. His wife was Moran Musgrave had four sons, the eldest, Charles, then he had Clive Edward and the Hubert Herbert, anyway. In UK and probably here, the eldest son inherits. So the younger sons would either go in the army or the church or the law sometimes anyway,
Unknown Speaker 2:52
to the colonists.
Speaker 2 2:55
Especially if they were black sheep. So sometime in, I think I 80s or 1892, my great grandfather bought the 7000 acres from Edward Musgrave, who would have been his wife's uncle. Right.
Speaker 3 3:16
Because so Musgrave had already actually bought that land. Yeah,
Speaker 2 3:21
he was. I think it was 7000 acres. It was a big lot. Charles Collins, trench brothers. It's a massive area up the mountain. Anyway, so as far as I can gather, my great grandfather said to his younger sons, I'd either send you to London with some money, or I bought this land out in Salt Spring Island. You go there. So my grandfather got married in 1910, January 1910. And his brother Edward got married just before I think. No, these two brothers were their brides. came out in 1910. He got married in January 1910. My Aunt Louise was born here in December and in 10. So they settled down, some some say
Unknown Speaker 4:16
she called her mother comes over here pregnant.
Unknown Speaker 4:21
straightaway, not much to do on the on the train across, come here, and they build their own house and their house. They call the house Sansom.
Speaker 2 4:37
And this is because I have a postcard here. My father wrote in 1938. And his mother just addressed two
Unknown Speaker 4:45
beautiful photographs.
Speaker 2 4:49
Not too good. He wrote, here's, here's my father writing to my grandmother, Mrs. C, and Trump sent some Musgrave BC 1938 Wow. then that was all you have to put. Yes, yes. The photographs have these are the best ones. The other ones are not so good. This is the house. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. So you could scan these. Yep. And this is probably I don't know if it's the jetty or whether this was actually a tennis court.
Unknown Speaker 5:24
They did certainly build tennis courts.
Speaker 2 5:27
Monday was no one else around. There was a. So my great uncle Edwards. My grandfather's brother also built a house nearby. So that's beautiful. I'm assuming that sense of alright. These are the best photographs. The other ones aren't so good. Right. So here it is, that must be as it is, I don't know which one is one of them. Because I do remember my grandmother saying that was the only way of contact they head over to the main island to get you know, to get food and stuff. There's nothing on there. But that must be
Unknown Speaker 6:04
the trench.
Unknown Speaker 6:08
Of trench something. I haven't put my glasses on. I'm at that.
Speaker 2 6:14
Could be brothers. Presumably that's Musgrave standing. Must be yes, it
Unknown Speaker 6:20
is of trench bras. Yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 6:23
Edward, his brother for a while it
Unknown Speaker 6:26
was called Translat yeah, I've
Speaker 2 6:28
got I've got here actually, I had I found it on the internet. I found on the internet which had somebody's also got this came from the other lady. Some of this I already found. But I noticed on the voters list for Peter 1920 It's got some people living at trenches Landy.
Unknown Speaker 6:54
20 I don't know whether
Speaker 2 6:55
it is. I've got it at home as well. Here we are the monsoons landing perfect. It was 1920 Here we are at the George Burton mural, his wife trenches landing. Then you got Clive Nukem trench. That's my grandfather. He lives at Samsung. And Edward Cosby just says Saltspring Island. Farmer Nichols, my grandfather run shirt and he was around. And my grandmother and
Speaker 3 7:21
it's interesting what they call themselves sometimes. We got gentleman, farmer, farmer, rancher. Yeah. And we're obviously different status is relative to that. Well, I
Speaker 2 7:32
don't think they did very well. According to Charles's book, they gave a lot of the land back to the government and gradually got down to about 500 acres each and 7000 acres must have been the biggest.
Speaker 3 7:46
It must have been. Was it the whole of the mountain, the mountain there. So this is these, these are OSHA's notes.
Speaker 2 7:57
Some of these are already found. Look at
Speaker 4 8:07
this, yes, that's yes. So this is the this is this is your first visit here.
Unknown Speaker 8:14
I came here in 1965.
Speaker 3 8:18
Yes, yeah. When the archives was founded until 183 or something.
Speaker 5 8:24
Yeah, this was this was that Oh, yeah. Okay. Here's another picture of the book.
Unknown Speaker 8:29
Oh, yeah. Wonderful. Beautiful.
Unknown Speaker 8:33
Yes, please. Yes, please. We certainly
Unknown Speaker 8:36
presumably don't have these
Unknown Speaker 8:38
Zoom is the road to the house I suppose. Yeah.
Speaker 3 8:40
Well, it looks like there's a lot I wasn't Musgrave or somewhere else but these roads look a lot like if you have to have a four by four. Well no, not in those days. You had a car you were lucky.
Unknown Speaker 8:57
This is another view from the house
Unknown Speaker 9:03
notice the photographers
Unknown Speaker 9:07
view from the house
Speaker 2 9:13
now this photograph I found loose among other things. And I'm assuming this is not England. So I think it must be here but I have no idea who these people are.
Unknown Speaker 9:24
That could be heavy will
Speaker 2 9:27
be looks a bit tall. When I went out with a book. I wondered if that was Mr. Bullock.
Speaker 3 9:30
He's shorter and fatter, but although could be angled, but also
Speaker 2 9:35
he made his beard. You use stuffing Charles's bookie to talk so
Speaker 3 9:44
you think this isn't England? It doesn't look like I'm from England. London. Alright. Yeah, I live in East Sussex. Yes, you've not you haven't inherited with your title. You haven't inherited land in Ireland. For
Unknown Speaker 9:59
now. Irish history not very well.
Unknown Speaker 10:03
We were Protestants with the wrong
Speaker 2 10:07
original seaters of ruin. Unfortunately, we had one stage we had 37,000 acres in Ireland. 60s, politics, religion, bankruptcy.
Unknown Speaker 10:22
Usually our story, yes.
Unknown Speaker 10:26
But my mother's Dutch. Yes, I
Speaker 3 10:28
saw that this postcard from the Netherlands. My My
Speaker 2 10:31
father was engaged in my mother from Holland. So it's been Dutch. I don't speak German. But
Unknown Speaker 10:38
is this my friends?
Unknown Speaker 10:42
Now that was my grandmother's house in Holland.
Unknown Speaker 10:45
Oh, that is wondering where that was?
Speaker 2 10:48
No, these pictures are not as good. But I don't know what you can do rest.
Unknown Speaker 10:52
He's a whiz with.
Speaker 2 10:53
I'm assuming a lot of these look a lot like they're on the island. And I don't know who some of the people are. I do know some of the people. And I don't know who other people are. But these are certainly very faded.
Unknown Speaker 11:08
This looks like the same boat, doesn't it?
Unknown Speaker 11:15
The property on acid paper?
Unknown Speaker 11:18
So that's obviously that's obviously the house.
Unknown Speaker 11:22
Yes, yes.
Speaker 4 11:24
That's the same view that that one that is here is the same shaker.
Speaker 2 11:27
I think this is probably my included with I think this is my grandfather.
Unknown Speaker 11:35
You think this one's your grandfather?
Unknown Speaker 11:37
I think the one
Unknown Speaker 11:45
this
Unknown Speaker 11:48
guy, they're very fake fainting.
Unknown Speaker 11:49
Testing for acidity.
Unknown Speaker 11:55
Because that's one of the
Unknown Speaker 12:01
other photo.
Unknown Speaker 12:03
Now this I think is my answer my phone.
Unknown Speaker 12:08
Oh, isn't that sweet?
Unknown Speaker 12:11
What sort of data would that be if there
Speaker 2 12:14
are all the foreign? Okay, well, what happened was, they came in 1910. I was born December 1910. Then, of course, we had what we're all celebrating or commemorating the First World War. So my grandfather went all the way back to England.
Unknown Speaker 12:33
Many of them from
Speaker 2 12:36
I was looking at the War Memorial. And you know, people killed from him when their population was probably 1000. Yeah, big percentage. Right. My grandfather went back to England. And for some reason he couldn't get in the army anyway. Not sure why. Anyway, he ended up running a munitions factory in St. Albans. And my father was born in 1960 in Melbourne, after the war that came back again, here, I assume 1919 It must have been, I suppose. And then they stayed here. And then when my father was old enough to go to school, my aunt had a governess and my auntie being a woman. It wasn't too important. But my father had to go to school. So when it was time for him to go to boarding school, he went back to again and again. So they weren't if she had that long, yes, but they didn't sell there obviously back and forth because it didn't sell the property until 1938 When they sold it
Unknown Speaker 13:42
for 20 plus years. So you can see that this must be the same time it's the same dog. Can you see
Speaker 6 13:56
now this would be and you think this is your aunt as well. could well be
Unknown Speaker 14:03
I don't know who that is.
Unknown Speaker 14:06
But this is a group now I think this is
Speaker 2 14:11
I think this is my uncle. It would Oh yes. That's my grandmother. That will be lace daughter and that is that's obviously sitting on the porch. Yes.
Speaker 3 14:24
Of those at the house itself called they called it Samsung. You know the Samsung narrow, narrow but it looked out on his
Unknown Speaker 14:32
school Samsung, but that name seems to have gone
Unknown Speaker 14:37
up the air as a house so yes, I don't know
Speaker 2 14:39
what the Kellogg's house is called. They presumably pulled down the house I suppose.
Unknown Speaker 14:45
It had never been Oh, there you
Unknown Speaker 14:49
go. I haven't I haven't. No, no, I've only lived on the island. Same dog.
Unknown Speaker 14:59
For some we see Have some soldiers in kilts?
Speaker 3 15:03
Is this a princess? what it was? There's a Scottish regiment here. Yeah
Unknown Speaker 15:08
All right here's a car going along the road
Unknown Speaker 15:15
looks like Victoria Do you see these these buildings
Speaker 2 15:20
that often goes will often go over to Victoria. What the Imperial hotel owes me I
Speaker 3 15:25
don't know I just I just looked like that buildings there's quite a lot of Victorian Edwardian buildings in Victoria
Speaker 2 15:32
well I know they said this was the road this must be the road
Unknown Speaker 15:37
really modern with
Speaker 2 15:41
Well, I know they went to Victoria lock because they'd stay at the Imperial hotel dances and things like that. Yes. That was there any entertainment so they probably went over to the main island more than they came up here for example, in the way of getting here was a was a road up to here from
Speaker 4 15:58
there must have been some ship trails and things like that. Because because they bought the sheep dogs laundry was talking about us they got the sheep from the mountain to the to the harbor. forefoot
Unknown Speaker 16:13
No, I can't tell you where this is.
Unknown Speaker 16:17
Sorry, I sort of took the album apart because of the music.
Speaker 3 16:19
Yes. I love the cover of it too. It's it's real.
Unknown Speaker 16:25
Victoria, yes, it's totally with a whatever we call them these days.
Speaker 3 16:32
First Nations or Aboriginal, but never Indians. They call themselves Indians.
Speaker 4 16:41
I know and native used to be the term for a while but now it's not as it anymore
Unknown Speaker 16:45
No it's First Nations or Aboriginal
Unknown Speaker 16:47
birth canal maybe you're not sure
Unknown Speaker 16:51
thinking it is that's way too clear cut there.
Unknown Speaker 16:53
Although that thing is on the island on
Speaker 3 16:56
that and this looks like a two faster River.
Unknown Speaker 17:00
No the streams
Speaker 3 17:03
do you think that I don't think that's booth canal. I'm not recognizing kinda the angle unless it was really clear cut at one point.
Speaker 2 17:10
There isn't a river as so maybe this is on now this just
Speaker 3 17:14
stream so again both canal listen to canal it's an inlet but it's quite sort of. So
Unknown Speaker 17:20
not so much interest we really well. We
Speaker 3 17:22
don't know. We will. We'll scan them all in case. This
Speaker 2 17:26
is my grandmother. No. And this could be my other the other brother's wife. Oh, yes. But the woman with a bonnet is
Speaker 3 17:36
is your is your grandmother. And she looks like she's got she holding a hole or she
Speaker 2 17:45
was always into gardening until she Yeah, maybe. She looked. Actually my grandmother always I always remember said the best time of her life was on the island. She always had a Pepsi looked at how nice.
Speaker 4 17:59
I can I mean, I can imagine people falling in love with this area. It is beautiful.
Unknown Speaker 18:02
Right now this is
Speaker 3 18:07
this is this. That's a waterfall. Yeah. So it suggests that somewhere in probably on Vancouver Island.
Unknown Speaker 18:15
Yeah, or the Rockies. That's true. It's possible
Speaker 2 18:18
right now. This is definitely my grandmother. Okay. This man is searching dynamics. That's my grandfather for sure. Yeah, I'm assuming this is my uncle Edward. I suppose. And this must be this looks like the same ladies in the other photograph. This cabling? Yes. Migrate so pretty good picture of the car
Unknown Speaker 18:48
and look at the bridge. I've not seen that bridge. Have you ever seen a bridge like that?
Speaker 6 18:54
That's a river anyway. Yeah, I wouldn't be I wouldn't be here but the pictures other people
Unknown Speaker 19:01
Oh, yes. No, no. Well, we'll see. What how long you were on the island
Unknown Speaker 19:07
till Saturday morning.
Unknown Speaker 19:11
And you're staying in the house?
Unknown Speaker 19:12
Yes. Very nice. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 19:16
this is the
Unknown Speaker 19:18
food is usually good that this is your grandfather
Unknown Speaker 19:21
grandfather.
Unknown Speaker 19:24
What was his name again Clive.
Unknown Speaker 19:27
Trench. Nukem
Speaker 2 19:29
without a B sometimes it's whether it be in Yes. Oh, yes. But it should be without would
Speaker 3 19:34
do correct all of those mistakes. There's lots get in there. And we are purely amateur organization but even in real historians, that's mistakes
Speaker 2 19:54
do not do this. They had an Irishman called Billy who helped out He's gonna say it looks like a worker had an Irishman go Billy, who helped out and added somebody Chinese as well. It could be, but I really do. That's all the photographs in this album, okay, I'm finished.
Unknown Speaker 20:12
Okay, well, can we borrow these
Speaker 2 20:16
time? Now what I have got here is I've got scans of two albums that are fortunate in our albums that I should have had that they were left in one of our houses in Ireland, and maybe I'm putting my father's first cousins were due to not they should have come to me in my free will. But on this there's a lot of Irish stuff and there is some. Okay, some Canadian stuff. So it's a question just going through
Speaker 4 20:46
looking. Do you know what how high resolution it was? They were scammed.
Unknown Speaker 20:54
I mean, a lot of Yes. A lot of the photographs have nothing to do with Ireland. Yes, I know. We've got pictures of Richard Musgrave and his wife. Okay, good. So good. that's of interest, if you
Speaker 4 21:05
could identify those. Are they? Is there any identification on
Unknown Speaker 21:09
that? I can work out the Irish.
Speaker 3 21:13
What's nice once we've got these scans, we can always email you. Yeah, absolutely. For more information, and please do correct us. We've got wrong information. So
Speaker 2 21:22
this is a mishmash. I mean, it's stuff that we need to have a look at it really. If we can move on to it.
Unknown Speaker 21:29
Do you want to copy it Now Frank?
Speaker 2 21:32
Yeah, well, I mean, a lot of them will be of no interest because there are things in Ireland and stuff. But there is for example, photographs of Turin which is the house whether muskrats came from in County Waterford Yes No no that's that might be of interest Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 21:48
absolutely it is you know we've got a number of
Unknown Speaker 21:53
lesser songs of nobility
Unknown Speaker 22:00
not sure if the nobility
Unknown Speaker 22:03
Lord qualifies
Speaker 2 22:09
too many talking metaphorically or well well no no they're making so many it's ridiculous Yes, every Tom Dick and Harry is alive which is ridiculous what I have brought and you're very welcome to have probably not a great interest here is you know to Brett's these are the proofs for the next edition. Oh yes. So this has got me now actually discovered and I'm going to meet them there on the island actually discovered I got a relation news lives at Duncan and I rang them up and couldn't get an answer lift a message when I got the hotel yesterday. They're staying on the island and it's going to meet
Unknown Speaker 22:51
these people staying on this island
Speaker 2 22:57
This is purely the family background which is you can
Unknown Speaker 23:05
actually have this you've got so you want us to photocopy No
Speaker 2 23:08
no no because it's approved. And it's all correct. I'm concerned
Speaker 3 23:13
and this is you with me. Nice to meet you
Speaker 2 23:19
on your side sort of stuff, but it just gives an idea of something else I'm going to come into family called Green Wilkinson in a minute. Oh yes. Which is interesting because they're mentioned in these books and they lived on the island as well.
Speaker 4 23:32
So you're related in two ways on completely different family.
Unknown Speaker 23:37
Yeah, they will they will say brunch they married overload you
Unknown Speaker 23:43
well if the tank is recording one of this
Speaker 2 23:48
right now it's a question just going through some of them most of them have no connection yet some of them are.
Unknown Speaker 24:13
Right this is
Speaker 2 24:29
where we just go through if it goes through then it has the titles initially, actually is out there.
Unknown Speaker 24:50
Audition
Unknown Speaker 25:01
I can't remember where they put the other one
Unknown Speaker 25:11
yeah
Speaker 2 25:12
now have these albums scanned yes this all right now this is our history for you
Unknown Speaker 25:20
is this the ribbon? No this
Speaker 2 25:22
is this was the shooting mode on one of the mistakes right and the 1922 done because it didn't make us know there's a tiny County Waterford where they was great came from that was no nothing at all but this is you know that's in the same estate so that's that's someone in the family that's another nice paintings this is quite fun because this is militias that have no relevance to this paragraph I love this is a prep school. This is my this man here is my grandfather's oldest brother who didn't come here. He did come here I brought photographs of him actually on the island on the other disk hopefully this isn't a prep school Oxford in 18 something if you look it's just got you remember here's the previous one. Yes. Here's another young young guy he's an Irish man and you've got all these here's another one that was very spot on just Victorian no interest it's a wonderful it's a wonderful is that all the time this this I think maybe
Unknown Speaker 27:09
I know it does
Speaker 2 27:19
definitely come here because my great grandfather you came over here in 1906 Have a look at the face before they settled yes but it may be on the other disk
Unknown Speaker 27:46
so people professionals scan
Unknown Speaker 27:51
300 300
Unknown Speaker 27:54
albums yes although they should really be
Unknown Speaker 27:59
yes yes that is historical
Unknown Speaker 28:05
that's why I don't believe in wills with the nervous system
Unknown Speaker 28:12
but maybe try the other description because I'll know which video
Unknown Speaker 28:26
What if we tried to other disclaimer
Unknown Speaker 28:38
oh I see oh yeah. Okay
Unknown Speaker 28:58
I think the other is maybe this particular
Speaker 2 29:12
type of casting these days rocky terrain which is the most creative house and we've got software which has attention posts,
Speaker 4 29:21
and that's when you say that's that's back in the old country
Unknown Speaker 29:31
so they're sort of irrelevant in a way yes.
Unknown Speaker 29:41
And so forth, as we
Unknown Speaker 29:49
say welcome to print out anything you want.
Unknown Speaker 29:52
You just copied didn't you?
Speaker 2 29:56
Never look at it I mean I've done a lot on the family
Speaker 3 30:08
you're the family historian I use it seems to get designated to to one or two people.
Speaker 2 30:13
Well, I don't know anybody in the family much that's very big family. Yes. It was interesting just moved
Unknown Speaker 30:22
spread out to another branch
Unknown Speaker 30:42
younger people don't have the time these days to
Unknown Speaker 30:46
interest usually comes when you're when
Unknown Speaker 30:50
I never asked my grandparents the question
Unknown Speaker 30:53
everybody is like that
Unknown Speaker 30:56
a young young look for
Unknown Speaker 31:01
when you're when your older relatives have gone
Unknown Speaker 31:05
they could have told me all about these photographs. The
Speaker 2 31:08
worst thing though, 10 years ago, and my cousin's daughter went through these photographs and they start just throwing them out. And I thought if they just given them to me, I'd sorted them through Yes, there were photographs from India
Speaker 4 31:25
Oh, that's what the same thing with my family if it wasn't for my interest, which is how I got interested in this I'm a psychologist by training and i i All our photos would have gone my sister would have thrown them away
Unknown Speaker 31:42
that's the way things are
Unknown Speaker 31:48
okay
Unknown Speaker 31:55
yeah
Unknown Speaker 32:01
right. This is right now
Unknown Speaker 32:15
this is Edwards
Unknown Speaker 32:23
here
Unknown Speaker 32:37
Okay, okay. I can get.
Unknown Speaker 33:15
People
Speaker 2 33:26
right, okay. 1909 before they actually settled here, oh, yes, we've got Edwards. So they seem to build a house already. Although maybe my great uncle bought a house. So this is not Samsung for November. This is where his brother lived. And I don't know who must be nameless. We're lending obviously. And you've got here. This is 1909. So the year before they came out. We've got the CMT is my grandfather live? CGT who's my great grandfather who came out here to have a look obviously
Unknown Speaker 34:04
his name was close to
Unknown Speaker 34:05
the dolphin. Cosby.
Speaker 2 34:10
My name is Roderick Nigel Godolphin. Cosby is the name of a family in fancy leash that we married into. My father was Nigel clove Cosby. So his second name was his father's name Robert Nigel's I've got my father's name. And I've got my grandfather's name good, which is also a family name. Yes, it's a family and there's a good Dolphin House in Cornwall and the good old things good anyway. So this is my bit hard to see which is which I didn't ever watch is Leonard is
Unknown Speaker 34:45
somebody sitting down there.
Speaker 2 34:50
The man with the white mustache. That's my great grandfather said honorable because we could all fit into a page. Right so he came out to have a look before they his sons actually settled here. And CNT is my grandfather. So substantial Nukem
Unknown Speaker 35:09
you can without the B without the B
Speaker 2 35:11
the new comes with another family we married into because all these Irish Protestant families all marrying into each other this is a quite a substantial house. The resolution is not bad. It's
Speaker 3 35:24
not bad started to break up now. Yes, it's so
Speaker 2 35:29
that's my great grandfather and I don't know who this is. I didn't who Leonard is my grandfather's on my on get across setting.
Unknown Speaker 35:37
Can you move it across?
Unknown Speaker 35:41
Must be funded, same before.
Unknown Speaker 35:46
So it must be 123 Well, that's
Speaker 2 35:49
definitely My great grandpa. So this must be learned. But that looks like a woman looks like a woman. Well, anyway,
Unknown Speaker 35:55
see what it says underneath again?
Speaker 2 35:58
See, oh, CNT is over on the left says my grandfather, grandfather,
Speaker 4 36:01
wash. Wash must be the person in them. It
Unknown Speaker 36:06
looks like my grandfather's dressed in women's clothes, but something I didn't know. That's why he expressed himself.
Speaker 4 36:19
Another reason? It's interesting because that does look like a woman doesn't it?
Unknown Speaker 36:22
Unless this is him. Anyway, that's definitely
Unknown Speaker 36:27
that's definitely you.
Unknown Speaker 36:29
And this one what Who is this one? Leonard
Unknown Speaker 36:31
has no idea who Leonard was. Yes. Quite a substantial house. It looks like if we move over left. Sorry. Go to this one here. This one. The gentleman slouchy. Guess who? This is his brother, Herbert Hubert. Okay. Who actually committed suicide 19 limbs and never came out here. When he was depressed he was. So this is obviously not here. Yes. This is
Speaker 2 37:08
wonderful coats. Look at the colors. Yes, yes. We've got the colors. Right now if we come. So if we come down
Unknown Speaker 37:17
right over in Italy, he's on his honeymoon.
Speaker 2 37:23
These are my grandparents on their honeymoon. In Italy. Yeah. So they went to Italy in 1910. January, and then they came straight onto here. So that's clever blessing. So that's of interest to you. Yes. Yes, indeed. I don't intend to must be the honeymoon. Great House. Now this is right. This is the eldest brother, Charles, who inherited SAPA Halling, and his classic pose was the dog and the dog and the cigarette, always in
Unknown Speaker 37:55
the cloud of smoke
Speaker 2 37:58
cigarettes. So that's the oldest brother who didn't come out. Yeah, we got anything else.
Speaker 3 38:05
That's back in Ireland. So obviously they like those kinds of dogs. Same retriever. Kind? Yeah.
Speaker 2 38:11
Right. This is yeah, this is another house in Ireland. This is salt pool where they came from? Oh, yes. All right, if we go to them right now, here we got lady and now we've got some rich. Now which one is this is a problem? Usually number three or number four? Usually the one that got married over here, I don't know. Which one married in one married. In Victoria. I know. It's in the brochure book in the library here. And he's there. In the brochure book. It says he got married and between 25 bridesmaids and he married a local girl. My name actually might be on all those bits of paper. I've got that information. Yeah. This could be the brother of the man who bought the land. So he would have inherited the estate in County Waterford. And then the younger brother gets sent off to the colonies or whatever. So I mean, he's gonna He's a Musgraves. Who's but I'm not sure whether he's number one. He's my great great grandfather.
Unknown Speaker 39:33
Anyway, now if we go right, ah, my aunt. My father. Oh, yes. Obviously. This is in Canada, and is when it went to the Rockies. And here we are
Unknown Speaker 39:55
in BC 1909.
Speaker 2 39:58
So he came up before So this would be my father would be 656 This would be 21 and 21 and 22. Definitely here. This was on taken definitely taken on the island, isn't it? My father, my grandfather standing up, but
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sending to attention.
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So that's my that's your because now last year my cousin's her two children came out here. Jamie and Serena and they met the lady Lucia and then the other champions coming with us.
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Does that George George?
Speaker 2 40:43
Yes. They because they my cousin emailed me and said do see these people because France? No No that was that was her stepdaughter? Oh yeah, okay, okay. Yeah, they came first. Yeah Dana from yep, yep. That's my first cousins stepdaughter my first cousin Serena and her brother and his wife. They came last September and they were here. Strangely enough I was planning a trip here at the same time we sort of didn't know where the whole family has done it. So anyway, but this is obviously here. If you go to this one, right. Now here we've got a nice picture. Picture, right. And here if we can just play this one. We've got the names
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up here, okay. Right. Looks like he looks like Laurel nerd
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wouldn't have no I wouldn't have thought that mission. So here
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we are in 1909. So
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this is this is your grandma, your grandpa.
Speaker 2 42:00
This is 1909 Before the year before they came here. They were out with here's my grandpa great grandfather again. Oh, so obviously they all came out to have a look at what he's bought a few years before where cecum now? Ah, that's it. No, I think right. Okay. We've got CNT there's my grandpa, his brother Edward. Yes. Okay. The eldest brother Charles one we've just sold the gun and the dog who? Who inherited in Ireland. Then we got the Father. And then we've got the brother who? The youngest son who committed suicide. Yeah. Anyway, so the whole family or the menfolk anyway, came over here before they finally settled. Right now. Here we've got Mae and Louis and I think they're called Green Wilkinson.
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So you think there's a connection the other connection?
Speaker 2 43:02
No. cecum I think is the green Wilkinson house you've ever heard of our school? See come
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on source.
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You need to get that book. Give me the details. Wait a minute. Sorry.
Speaker 4 43:20
I'm not confused. No, no, no. Anyway, we've got we've got your email addresses. What was it you said?
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Yeah, Charles sent me this stuff as well.
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Hope this is of interest to you.
Speaker 4 43:47
Much more going. I'm hoping this recording is working. Right? Because all of these initials we've got we renewed to get this book, Basha
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is called Imperial Imperial Vancouver who's who's 1850 1950?
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Yes, I noticed some notes in
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the background here. So
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we just go back to that photograph in
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the book you were talking about?
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Pos ch sh er, you probably got it.
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Reference.
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This is Imperial Uber Island 1850 to 1950 who was me
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really well just because I think
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I think Charles has been looking at me looking at
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this I saw reference to it
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there's still some more here we've got this is from History of farming has always been inventions be Wilkinson.
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stratums history.
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Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 45:07
But there's more about them in Bush's book. Okay. Now, this isn't about the green Wilkinsons is from my point of view. I think this is him. He did he became brigadier general. And this is a CES, his wife sorry. Now she was the honorable may trench. And she was in fact, that's the Kinect she was she was in fact the third Lord Ashton's sister. So she would have been their first cousin only say nine and for well
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you know about the student Well, probably from the shoulder all day in the photograph. No,
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I just there was a note on them. Take them up that time so thank you
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I'm gonna put this over here for you.
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These my bits
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I guess. Minus 30
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Okay, so can
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I photocopy these? Yeah
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so I think the green Wilkins has lived low scores. You come in there any in the island from anyway, it's strange. This first cousin of theirs was here already. They had two daughters called Sheila and Luna and Sheila Noona. Married so she was the third Lord Ashton's sister. So ledgestone had several sons. When he became the fourth. He is his second wife married her daughter, who married his first cousin. And his brother the fifth Lord Ashdown as his second wife married her sister, aha. So another, another first cousin didn't have any children, which might have been a good idea. So this wasn't a little whether these people came to the island before. I don't think they stayed there long. But they did. He went back in the army, I think. But there was quite a bit of the family sitting here. Which was interesting. came all the way down. That's a good picture
Speaker 2 47:37
right now here, tent I lived in on Saltspring Island. 1909. So when the whole family came, there obviously wasn't enough room for them to stay. This album, it belongs to Charles trench here. Who was the eldest son? Yes. He'd been in the army so obviously he camped out at the house. Yes, there wasn't enough room in the house. So that's his tend to Salt Spring Island. So there's another view he obviously took
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could be the harbor
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they probably didn't get to the north of the island.
Speaker 4 48:20
Although it looks also looks a bit like and I don't really know this, to be honest.
Speaker 2 48:28
I'm assuming they probably didn't come up here. Because it would have been difficult to get up. Yeah.
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More oriented. In
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okay, if we go we've done that ones that we've gotten to this one.
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Okay, now the only interesting one here is
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the building this. No,
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that's just the garage of another hospital. This is here's my great grandfather and grandmother. She's Mariah Musgrave. And he's because we could all fit again back in Ireland 1910. And they lived at a high school soccer Hall. This is the part of the garden. This was the garage attached to the by the house. Now that didn't get them done. And this is the eldest son with a obviously a lady friend and the faithful dog. Probably he's probably more attached to the dog than the lady because I got a photograph album of the house and it doesn't say anything. When the end when all the dogs are in line. He's written underneath their names. Nothing else. You know what's important. So this is sorry, this is this. My great grandfather and his wife Mariah Musgrave. Okay, back in Ireland. Definitely with the moustache, the dolphin cross because
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of all this is part of the gardens. This is the side of buildings where the garages was
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we traveled when travel really wasn't.
Speaker 2 50:18
And this is the eldest son again, Charles with a friend and who she is, and faithful dog. And this is another trench hose. And this is at somebody else's other big house mine. But if we go here now children, right, this now, here's the Musgrave seat in Ireland.
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The one you're saying is no, no,
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no, no, this is not. Oh, it's not. Oh.
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But this belongs to another.
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So this is what this was the Richard Musgrave came from came from day one, Edward obviously, who bought the land. Okay, from we actually got a nice. So we've got a nice interior interior, beautiful this house is survives. So they obviously visited quite often. So they were elated. Yes. Because it has the gardens.
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Nest, the dog, another dog.
Speaker 2 51:16
And here's, here's my great uncle Charles again with a cigarette. And here we've got somebody that's been cut off that picture. Right. Now, this would be a Musgrave on a horse. That's probably Richard J, isn't it? So this is these rovers raise children, which is hosting candy Waterford. So they're all related to the Edward Musgrave. Okay. I haven't quite worked out exactly the relationship. But whether it would must be with this chapter brother, or whether it was his uncle, and
Speaker 4 51:55
the first names were inherited as well often
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when I found out with them, but until this century, 3 million Frederick says, they just used rhetoric non stop. But these are all Muslims, obviously. They're all connected somehow to and then you've got their actual their house, which is nice. So they can
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see that Dorothy JSM. So that's another one. So obviously, this
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in motivates there's no connection to the craft. Craft and some are from Ireland.
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It depends if they were just for you or not.
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They weren't they were from that class. What was it? What was the name?
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Well, you know, the best way, you know, you know, do you ever use the website, the peerage.com?
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That's, that's that that would tell us that's
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done by a chap in New Zealand. And he has got a database of just so many people. It's worse. I mean, if you just put in the period, I think that's the under the photographs. Yeah.
Speaker 1 53:06
Yeah. I'm just coming the other CD. Yeah, that's fine. But the
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periods.com is very useful, because he's certainly on our family. He's got it, right. Yes. And you can then work out relationships for 30 minutes. If you bring it up on the internet, the questions
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I was thinking, Oh, my goodness, if we've got other sort of Second Sons.
Speaker 1 53:29
Well, if they are the ones who started the harbor house, yes, I
Speaker 2 53:33
know that. Yeah. You're staying in. Yeah. But I'm wondering what kind of family they were wrong. You think they were
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what was the household?
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They were Harish? Yes.
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And because our focus is actually actually
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I've looked on your website here
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was smoked, smoked mot II was
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that's interesting. Because
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you Yes. That's the album that sorry.
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There was a house there.
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That's that travels.
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Mode. mo te. Yes. Do you know where
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know quite a bit.
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Because my title is lodash kind of moot. Oh, Mo at
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the same spelling as mo it's
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not Ma Te te. As notice where we had because we could look it up must have been close to case to Kingston Island was Kingstown. Yes.
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We had done Leary and it was Kingston,
Speaker 2 55:12
Kingston Yeah, they took the ferry across. Now an interesting thing I discovered about the Musgraves recently, there's my great grandmother's two sisters. So Mariah was raised two sisters. Were traveling from Kings down to to Wales. You know, they traveled clustering on October the 10th 1918. On the packets, Dima mails shipped got torpedoed last month before
Speaker 2 55:52
but but for them, people lost their lives actually, it was just a month for the underworld and the Hugo Captain he was 23 he then headed back to Germany and he hit a mine and he sank below his crew as well. So it was
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a bit of it and this is the last few last
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four weeks so this my great grandmother lost both her sisters in one go
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so I had to discover that reason it's amazing when you can find anyway those are the photographs but I can tell you a bit more in this family maybe
Speaker 2 56:33
but if you have a minute just look at the peerage.com because yes I think you might find it actually quite useful
Speaker 4 56:40
and we've only recently got the the the Crofton photographs so like this year we've got
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looks like Yes
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Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I know
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she did did he delight it to us in the end? Yeah. There's nobody else in the family's interests
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were preserved so I think this is must be out of the third or the fourth most grave so it could be the brother or the nephew of the Edward us grave. Oh, yes. You came here yeah. Yep. Yep. Exactly. As you've done but you really need to make a note of the initials who is who yes otherwise you're gonna get confused
Speaker 4 57:39
Yeah. What I'm hoping is that recording working Frank because I'm gonna
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I hope
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your grandfather that was a duplicate
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the CPA Good
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luck my grandpa first we can
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just show you
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you see here's a mistake marriages because we could all fit healthy more than it should be. Wrong that's wrong. We're here it's right there that's my grandma. Yeah, I shouldn't be so that's my great grandpa
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yeah
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this is the other one. The Brotherhood because
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they stayed on NBC it seems like you don't need it because if you've got it
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got lots of other materials
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just look at the period because Here's a load
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this is from
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this is wrong
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just go do it and then move to Minnesota names
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okay go to whether you're trying to go to
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possibly possibly
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what when you're ready for example you can then get back
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into many of
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you know when I started looking
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at then you can so there you go then if you go to my father actually
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it's a massive database
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yes
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yeah yeah and it's interesting the style of it you know that the CPU started this some time ago but it's all
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my family is pretty expert yeah probably not correct but they'll probably be those
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yes
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see what they've got it's a very useful site to this search for certain types of family mostly be able to read we should be finished with the children
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what
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sets of families six.
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So the one that Richard we were looking at
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this is the trouble Yeah, this
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was this has fallen 7046 sandwiches. And that's something
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that we didn't hear done.
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Could you send me that link?
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I can send it to you.
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I found it pretty good.
Speaker 4 1:04:35
Yes, because we can look up the the craft as well and see whether there was any is interesting that you know, from Ireland, I suppose it's not doesn't necessarily mean there's any relationship. It's just that they were coming out to this newly developed colony,
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whatever if you've got a title. That's good. To come get
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a lot of things from Ireland So
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while the climate was similar
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in most ways what are we going
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well we want to look at see if we get to the third or fourth first thing that should be discussed
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email deal coming for lunch chances have been the record says that it's amazing when you start to look because more and more people have done this sort of stuff all over the place it was I found so many of my relatives buried in the graveyard yeah this is they were all from London they don't have well they've done well as my father was a faker builders but they you know coming from those sort of backgrounds but didn't so we went the other way any records any records in the property no gravestones
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thrown out on the record 1922 in the civil Civil War
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yes they're all destroyed Oh, actually destroyed well the building was lost I seem to be on goal always now. I don't know how it's how that happened. I just said next week or wherever we get Yes. Yeah. But I
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was on the mountain in Australia who is a Dutchman?
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Lucia writing Did you see these one solutions record was mentioned as Captain trench with an extensive sheep farm
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Captain trenches my great grandfather, he was Captain the menu in the army. He'd been a regular as long as you reach the rank of captain
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This is stuff she's she's sending this stuff. You've seen some of this.
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But of course he wasn't moving here.
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She says I won't be able to come. She's sending this to Charles as well. And I will be here tomorrow morning.
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It's gonna be with us.
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She is a font of information
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do you have any favorite girls anything to do with Musgrave Van Gogh
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he's the webmaster
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that went through my hands that might be more in the last mentioned days but I've been through my head
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and 19 telephone directory for assault sprinklers a C n that says there was a William Martin Lapore trench was a resident of North Saanich
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Victoria that's the other branch of the family thank God he ran the witch Mills account go to elbow trenches but originally we split 16 and
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not listed as also an extensive this is this is Reverend Wilson who was second record keeper yes
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for me as most growing state that's what was missing. Yes, because it goes up. Hence the sheep. Yeah.
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That's great, man. No changes needed to match.
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It'll be spelled ch
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And I imagine you
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enjoy the experiment. All right.
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You read it can Styria sorry, I read. It can sorry.
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Nope. Oh
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he worked. Was he the shepherd the shepherd? Yeah.
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Are you the chauffeur? Yes.
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His his journalist that yours? It's what takes this
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98 I think it can add but that
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was just using looking at now.
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Right? So he worked for Edward Musgrave. Yes. So
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it's on. It's on the Saltspring Archives website. You've been? You've already got the connection. Yeah, you
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can download the journal.
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But to get this to have to be
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public, everything on that website is public. Because
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this is where we're a volunteer, nonprofit organization. He
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was only there a short time wasn't the only regular short time of year
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more than a year think.
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Yeah, it was obviously a literate man for a shepherd.
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Was he Scottish? Scottish? That's interesting. Is it because now on the estates in Ireland? What made us quite unpopular was we brought in Scottish herdsmen and Scottish shepherds. Because they were better workers and the Irish. Yes, yes. Does that cause problems on the estates is yes, yes. Yes, that would be big problems. But my answer is certainly do. He brought in Scottish herdsmen and Scottish game keepers, because they work better. And then work ethic which mattered. But interesting enough, when I told you I'm half Dutch. So when I took my first cousin from Holland, we built a church on the estate in Galway, where the house was actually the ruins. What was it called? Wow, I'll tell you which website? It was. It was a very good website. I'm sorry. I'm all most of my history is Irish. Yes, yes. Yes. But back to the story of my my Dutch cousin came with me and we went to, we built this tiny church, because my one of my predecessors didn't want to go three miles to church. So they just built a church, on the estate. So he just walked in, at the terms of service every few weeks, and I took my Dutch cousin to the service. And it was a Church of Ireland, which is anchored in his community and everything. And knowing the history of Ireland and the problems of Catholics and Protestants. When we came out, she said to me, but to me, going to that Reformed Church, this is a Catholic service. What was the problem here? I take a point because the difference is far from transistor potentiation. We were told, really, because we if you read the website of the Church of Ireland, calls itself a Catholic church. Not Roman Catholic. Catholic, it was ridiculous. Yes,
Speaker 4 1:14:00
a Catholic in that. Absolutely. Well, no, I that distinction between I used to teach at UBC and it used to you know, talk about kind of how big black and white the Protestant Catholic nation is in Ireland and help kind of character wise they see each other as different than you know, and and as people from other religions all over the world. They're all Christian.
Speaker 2 1:14:27
Well, you have to differentiate between the north and the south and northern Protestants. It also the Scots Scots tend to be Scots. Originally, they were brought over to them. They were more they were more nonconformist. So there was a very student much harder than then
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in southern. Yeah.
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But you know,
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what happened in Ireland was when the Dutch King William came over I'm Peter Catholic. We call it the Protestant ascendancy. And we are what we call an ascendancy family. So after 1691 the Protestants would buy Catholic land. And they Catholics didn't have a vote. They couldn't get lawyers. They were hard to carry out. They went underground, a lot of them.
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chapels.
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A lot of these wires were heavy families went all over Europe fought in German armies, French Spain, Richmond, saj, regiments, they're called the Flying Geese. So, you know, the Catholics couldn't do anything till 1828 emancipation? Because basically, I think the Protestants was nervous because they were in a minority. And that's part of the reason I think we build these gigantic houses today look good. And overspent. Yes, yes. Yes. I mean, it was ridiculous. I mean, I please. I've got a photograph in 1846 is a nice, big Georgian house. My great great grandfather married a rich lady. And he extended the house to ridiculous size and bought a massive estate for 150,000 pounds in 1870 Wow, that's that's like 10 million. I mean, yes, mad. Ended up bankrupt eventually, because when they started losing their land, because after the independence of Ireland they brought in landac So they had to compulsory sell the land and divided among the tenants and of course no rents, so they lost their money for the big house they were allowed to keep 500 acres around the house that didn't bring in the kind of money that they had
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abandoned look up Woodlawn house can't you do Tom it's taught me if I boring you please
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I wonder if those sheep are all perfect
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so what am I looking at sorry woodland woodland
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and I know this chapter is useful this was the this was our family seat this was the main house eautiful house bankrupted himself well knows
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well that's not so oh but this is not in this state anymore or what
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it is look if you look at page two we'll go down a bit sorry go to next page
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to the interior so you've walked through
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it really well
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nonetheless, look at it
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this is yes yes. There's
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40 staples at the back sawmills subsidies that may go there
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the secret to beautiful decades all of our face has been pulled out the glass windows resist stick Wow. They brought in Italian craftsmen to do all the plastering
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versus the crumbling right.
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I wonder if the Crofton Center has been
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pushing to
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I want to just go as he was
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so this may be so cute we're doing brought up this may be brought up in 1890s now Oh The only thing I have left is 1952
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euros so when would this
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must be the only thing I have left to do that is what it goes I wasn't a direct
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selling it was
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it was a phone record you're just gonna shoot the only thing I have left is this is for people this was via typing Ashtown was live it just
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into into Google
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everybody's spelled ma you
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right now this will be small pictures. This is our family mausoleum which is the biggest in Ireland. We have a massive tower with walls this thick and then castigated wall and I had this restored 10 years ago I got
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to actually do it in a graveyard somewhere
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it's in the highest part of the study and it's just for the most branches. Are there any 90 numbers in the next decade that's the church
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that's insane. That's my great grandfather. That is my first big adult and so you had all this restored it's the biggest in Ireland we spent a lot of money on it but it's in good shape but my father's ashes in there four years ago six six or seven Ashtown that's the church we built
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that's the main personal dash down in his wife and his father yeah there's no there's never meant to be we think there might be a bolt on
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yeah it was it was it was in terrible terrible shit we
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will elevate you must be a nice photo somewhere
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I love the public but it's unique and interesting thing is the entrance faces north apparently that's a mistake that's the way I mean it was a massive as a
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lot of houses they build lots of houses. There's a railway station which we have built because they put the train through a nice big big grandfather that okay would have allowed but I want to station
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and when you say we built the church
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Yeah, that's the ISOs that's a garden hose. Looks like it's really taken off for me. Yeah, that's my great grandfather's vape he wasn't a sailor
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that's the entrance Yeah, that's his wife. His second wife was an assistant
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this abandoned island it might be if you know where their house is you might have if it's in ruins. It might be this website abandoned island he's English readers in the face. We changed the word long because they are single which means This doesn't mean the same as an exercise it means just a few different analogies English is important he's got all these individual words and produced a couple of books and in fact wood loads on the cover of his second book it's interesting
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to sit on the through the
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gratitude so if it's in the house if they have done Larry that will be county
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the counties it will be county immediately
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this is the book
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he was
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writing to us from Ireland was that Ireland was settled by Bunbury Oh really? When you look you know, he doesn't have a house. Yeah, they
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do have a house. Yeah, he's he's I've met him I know. He got into it recently. In fact we have an Irish because it didn't ask me to speak
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he wasn't that good. It was that right? Yes. I wanted he's he's obviously done a little bit of this little bit of that
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he was interested in this folder is
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this folder is Lord ref
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double as was a family and those of him and his wife have a house built on USA
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thing but you some some good stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It was actually sort of interesting. He's finishing
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Ireland, which is more about ordinary people in countryside, talking about how life has changed.
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Like he was interested in one of our nurses, little hospital. Nurses who married across America, Crofton. That's right. In the First World War. Yeah,
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I think you'll find a lot of girlfriends on the peerage. Yes, yes. Yes, I didn't realize it on Irish peerage.
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Just go to Wikipedia and put in Irish piers and you'll get the list of all the Irish because
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I want to find out what Moses was
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just north of Dublin, I think you must have
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changed. You don't mind if we borrowed this and we will scan it. And the other thing is you don't mind if we then put the photographs up
Speaker 2 1:28:34
on our website, then it'd be really interesting people. Absolutely. It's all
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of interest in the sense of the connections
Speaker 4 1:28:47
are very long. But they weren't they were important. We don't have very long history at fitness.
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Musgrave Well, our incoming call from Saltspring guy
Speaker 1 1:29:06
hello I guess you got my note I'm not coming up. I did get your note I
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just thought I'd say hi anyway yeah, so Okay, well, I guess
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camera over a little bit then you can see everybody.
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trench with us. Hello, nice to meet you.
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I'll see you later. Tonight. Advertise
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Superbad on.
Speaker 4 1:29:56
Oh yeah, it's not for our agenda. Set. Frank Frank's Right it's not
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my son I brought with me briefly because he's an anthropologist and so the reason he's here he had a conference in Quebec so we thought well okay yes it's
Unknown Speaker 1:30:19
okay but that's why we connect in Vancouver and I do this trip because it was my father's like to see where my wife is not so much anyway any questions and
Speaker 4 1:30:43
not at the moment so yes we will have questions I'm not going to remember all of this but we've got the recording it this is all sorted out
Speaker 1 1:30:56
we will have to do some correspondence you have to identify the photos probably need to put it up on the website
Speaker 2 1:31:21
total breaching essentially Yes. Yeah. So just recently I've actually corrected stuff he's put about he's got he's got He has connections to the other branch in the central family and he's going to think about the family on his website but he had some mistakes and so he just needed to publish on the internet
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Yeah, we actually haven't gotten started got agreements
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Yeah, we're here to see if I can have a background in eight
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and declutters for where are we We're
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losing my grandmother was the island Yes.
Speaker 4 1:32:24
Absolutely. Yeah. You definitely got from a lot of people. I mean, it's it is a beautiful area. Possibly I get this question. Sometimes it meant more freedom than they felt they got in, in Europe generally. So what do we call
Speaker 2 1:32:41
you know, dashed on the team because everybody puts a deed with a penny
Speaker 2 1:32:54
that's very confusing with English titles because yes, the family name and the title are often different by Germany to go further.
Speaker 4 1:33:03
It's what's a personal adjustment I just put your email what's what is
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your email is uppercase R N G to Rajnish at lowercase trench 99.
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One to nine dot freezer
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r&d at trench
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ninety.com research
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you come in every day comes in almost every day. Three times a week. It's all volunteer on a date
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the trunk up here. Yeah.
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This is
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metal right. Somebody called Captain veal. Right. It
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was particular particularly
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know french french. Was was decorated in the First World War. He didn't a lot of private prisons voted. out early reconnaissance of the trenches from the photographs very detailed trenches so it was given the lesion down there but he ended up he did on his property 90 And then the walker army was an
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amazing number of people I think I would have stayed here
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got a lot of material on the left side about him
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beyond beyond shot told not very organized because aerial photographs
Speaker 4 1:36:15
addition to publish oh this is all history like all of history is relevant is it
Speaker 4 1:36:37
okay, so this this is because this is because maybe produce any or all materials for purposes which promote the educational research. Disposition reproductions is solely at the prerogative of copyrights used to use the archives I mean, we can cross that out if you like if you're just giving us the sign mention mentioned photos and there's a place for you to sign at the bottom where when it's returned to you or not now I shouldn't design
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lovely
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lovely. Oh, that's that was just wonderful. Oh, it really is. And you get your email as well well
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what what oh, you
Speaker 2 1:37:53
can do to my son actually. Even listen for what to 20 to 20 but you can't even
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look at formulas in particular, that
Speaker 2 1:38:11
are just there to just ring me up at the hotel. Or Charles.
Unknown Speaker 1:38:16
We can drop it off at the hotel for small coffee Okay, good. So grumpy, grumpy 20
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just received downstairs if we find that for sure
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because there is a bit of an agreement that is relevant to that.
Speaker 4 1:38:50
And also on the nonfiction committee of the library. So lovely. Yeah, it's just been built. It was quite a bone of contention on the on the duchy, whether it's worthwhile because after all books are going to be gone this is one of the best use libraries ever. It's it's it's in the province. It's a really books.
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I don't use it
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in one form or another.
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Books No.
Speaker 4 1:39:23
Oh, S H E. R. J. P bush.
Speaker 2 1:39:28
I think you've got a visitor Charles said he looked something up. I actually bought it
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he won't have a look.
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And what was it actually called?
Speaker 2 1:39:46
Imperial Island, Imperial Vancouver Island who's who at 50 to 90. I think he came up stuff up here. I know it's a lot of people who are on the main island and I think a lot of people It
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shows a lot of information in our view the quote from Charles's book
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we look up
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want to get into Victoria
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until then the Canadian
Speaker 4 1:40:57
who's who in the league of Canadian but not It depends I'm not surprised because we're not really a ref a historical reference library we're much more
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yeah
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yes that's
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fine yeah I mean you have to put that on your list
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I think you'll find it useful book
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sounds it sounds an interesting
Speaker 2 1:41:42
there's a German connection Yeah. My father I have a stepmother. Who I hate Boy Yeah. Stories. You don't expect a stepmother when you're 69 that she was married previous that she's Irish when she was married previously to determine who was very nice man I remember him
Speaker 2 1:42:18
it's funplus which is now in Poland. Oh yeah. And they had you think we had land they had gigantic Oh yeah. Everything went off the wall but he was a charming man he was having issues he was only my stepfather is not That's another story
Speaker 4 1:43:00
check them out sometimes these search engines are not as good as Google what was I searching yesterday and it was so annoying always. I was looking forward to this with
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a lot of people who we lost
Speaker 4 1:43:28
you know you you think it wouldn't make a difference? I was searching on a on Audrey got it. So swindled library? Shelving Location some so yeah, it's missing status missing. Child stolen.
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Missing missing
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Yeah, indeed. We did have it well, you
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did have it Yes. We
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did have it which is interesting. So 001 copies Yes, yes. That is interesting. It's missing
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what do you do with this missing?
Speaker 4 1:44:19
They decide what they want to replace it? Who knows how they decide? Yes. Somebody that made a mess
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I knew he went to them. Look it up.
Speaker 4 1:44:40
It's 27 cents recent action. Yes. Yeah, that was it. I'm not surprised. I've got the impression from you that it was like one of his views and references. It's not really it's history.
Speaker 2 1:44:58
Yeah. Then you'll find a lot of interest yeah actually
Speaker 4 1:45:05
it was it was $47 on Amazon oh that's useful okay good
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peace
Speaker 4 1:45:33
wonderful thank you so much you can you can just walk out one one true actually. So if you if you're going if you go downstairs and you can say security to come in but not to go out if you go downstairs through the library up the main door just to the right of the main door before you go through the barriers is the washrooms you'll see them that was not the toilet
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Well, thank you
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thank you
Speaker 3 1:46:18
good for you on Friday
Speaker 4 1:46:21
what When are you leaving you're saying you're staying Saturday
Speaker 2 1:46:26
we're flying Thursday we're gonna go into the mainland and do a bit of a tour around yes the weather continues to rain acceptable yeah it's like England very much very nice
Speaker 4 1:46:51
member the peerage yes yes what I had to do despite this is get this plugged in very cool
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you taken off the
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tissue paper in the plastic or whatever it is that
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we can
Speaker 4 1:47:31
I also want to say oh, oh yes this is such a now the that's the USP that I was trying to put it and I couldn't find it
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oh it could be seen as not very well
Speaker 4 1:47:51
I also I also put it in the back and couldn't find it couldn't find it I put it in the back I want you to show me where it is see that was it that was a real thought that was easy. No that is revolutionary. I should have been
Speaker 6 1:48:12
I was polite to just show up I don't know where it is gone
Speaker 4 1:48:23
see that didn't happen I did I didn't I didn't see it. Okay, I just want this to go in here. Although who knows if it's too big
Speaker 4 1:48:38
I it was 12 1200 DPI
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voters
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oh this is farming stuff that we got for me
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the trash
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not necessarily but the situation
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Okay
Speaker 4 1:50:06
Because money I don't care about any of this I just
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it's nice simply close it and open it again there we go
Speaker 4 1:50:37
trash milk know I don't know you you did all sorts of things online about to the internet
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so wonderful to be back
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he six megawatts
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okay
Speaker 4 1:51:31
you got to start scanning me out of the way here just a second
Speaker 4 1:51:44
I know nothing about this I didn't know I you know me if i You're interviewing the trench I would have been reading I had no idea that that we was going to come I had no idea. I would read it all up. Why didn't the only record that I put it on the desk over here
Speaker 4 1:52:12
just turned off. I asked. I moved. I moved here. Okay. I'm hoping that you recorded
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so I moved in
