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Musgrave Seniors

George Laundry, 28 October 2015

Accession Number 2015019 Interviewer
Date October 28, 2015 Location SSSeniors
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Speaker 1 0:00
But I'm going to do this just to tell stories. Maybe someone somewhere even true. This is my dad's products. He was a champion products man and unlike many lighthouses inside of his house was flat. And you use one of these and you use ads, and so settled around logs his house, as you'll see some pictures, I didn't have a chance to put together a fancy visual, but I brought some pictures along and later on, you can come down and have a look over. Not to stop. But when you things I'd like to mention is that from time to time, because I'll tend to forget is that there were no such things as longer and you didn't run off to the store and go to buy eats every piece of wood you had was creative. And he made some beautiful, beautiful furniture and big plates of wood like this. And how do you make that and make it with a big crosscut saw a cut to a log and then you plane it down. And my friend over here refurbished one where there isn't a corner, refurbished my dad's just once after 50 years sitting out in the woods in the whole unheated barn. It's still beautiful. Now Paul, just used fire kill cedar. And that's all they would do. And what fire kill cedar does, of course is lock soils in and it doesn't shrink. And all of this stuff has had no nails and all beautiful tongue and groove. He was trained in Ontario as a carriage maker and all this beautiful tongue and groove stuff. So that stuff is still solid. Without nails. I don't know a few years ago, my son and grandson fixed it and they firmed it up with a few nails with my dad would not be happy about tensile. So I'm just gonna talk a little bit about my dad was born in 1878 in Ontario and went to the Boer War. And we were able to find his release from the military and his application for a grant of land Musgrave. So here in 19 Three, that he gave him his final. He was in the Second Boer War. I don't know all of the history of it, but they call it the Second World War. Pretty useless war. And that's where you marching to Pretoria you know, that was a song built up by the British government to convince the natives that they need to go to war. A wonderful song of course, but so it looks like he got paid it looks like I guess seven cents a day is going to go. Now he was in a Canadian. He was loaned as a Canadian troops to Britain. And from later on, he got sick and monasteries and stuff like that. And he applied for veterans grant from Canada. They told him that wasn't the Canadian War. So there was a long battle and eventually he did get into that. So I have in 19, eight he applied for application for volunteer bounty, which is what gives you the land. So he got 160 acres over Musgraves that and that's where he built his house. And I have some of the pictures over here. I'm gonna read man here a couple things from South Africa. As opposed to a general discussion, I'm just going to read a lot of stuff today. So if you have any questions or if they get too boring, ask me something and I'll see if I can change the mood. You know. This is when he was in Veterans Hospital in Victoria. They had a room I guess it for war veterans. That'd be pretty exciting. And here's some of the things that are common, but this was a little newspaper from the from the Veterans Hospital. And I'd heard about this quite a bit. Millions of little black lizards skipping over the stones on the belt and they go on to talk about the anthills you For these wonderful animals that they had, that they say there were times when the frisky bore boarders got careless about where they were shooting. It was a nice size and Hill was a real friend as they were fine stopper a rifle bullets. Also they came in very handy at times, as whenever they were cut in with a hole in the side and one on the top. They need find stoves or ovens. And I couldn't remember listening to that that they would run from antelope and there's a giant ant hills, and the bores are trying to pick them off as if they were wonderful shots. And long details of one time when they were in the convoy guard guarding a supply drain of ox wagons. And it was his turn to get water for the sucker coffee. The only one thing half a mile away or so where the oxygen had already had their dream when he got the Dixie cooking pots and brought back to the buyer that made the coffee heavy, good supper. But when the Dixie Cup was empty did in the morning, there was a pork cooked frog in the coffee grounds. So we never get here the end of fraud. One more move on this one is there was a man here who was able to advertise himself or blow his own horn, and so was considered fair game for every practical joke. Well, this night after camping and posting out puts, everyone else turned in and someone took the man's boots and hid them. Then in the middle of the night, a small bore commander came in and open lively fire on the camp. Of course, everyone turned out kind of stood to arms. But this man couldn't find his boots and went rampaging up and down the lines, making lurid promises as to Washington to to the individual who took his boots. And so this incident went down in history as a battle Fowler stampede. Born in 1878, went to the Boer War. I've talked about the products and I have pictures for you. He built the house probably in the years following roundabout 1970 barn and that there was a rule that you had to do something of the order of $500 a year of improvements. Because they didn't want people taking his investment going and just sitting on it had to be producing it. So that wasn't very hard to do. You pretend you're building a barn. I mean, he really wanted to build a house and things like that. So that an inspector came there was no doubt as to he were building a farm. He opened up a sheep ranch. And I guess he had about 300 sheep. And he kept going thought I may repeat some old stuff. Because when you get to my age, you don't remember a lot. So he moved we moved down here to Fulton in 1939. And my grandfather just died 38 More or less. And granny was alone in the house up here. So we moved down from there, but we kept the sheep ranch open, probably till about 50 or 51. And I'll talk a bit about my state. They were married in 26. Mom lived up here of course, he was 48 at the time and she would be about 24 which is fairly common in those years. So they went over there and of course there was no road masquerades as isolated from the rest of Saltspring one of the things that was forgotten about Musgraves is that it was really one of the busiest places on Saltspring it was largely there was no Ganges and certainly days of Noah Fulford begins about 1873 And I'll come back and go through that pattern. There was no road horse and mom said they were taken over may have been elderly took his open his old car over the horse Trail, which goes around and it goes up to grandkids old place. And like guess from there, they walked down to their house. And I know that and sometime in the 60s I was home here and I took mom back. Dad died in 60 took mom back up to the old farm and she spent a long time looking out the back door reliving memories and I guess struck me that there is

Speaker 1 9:56
there was a time of tremendous hope. Even though her like didn't end up very happily in terms of money and stuff like that, there must have been a tremendous hope that a lot of kids don't have this married guy and go up there and know that that's the start of your life. You've got everything there, you got obviously got a farm, all you have to do is make some money. And I don't think kids understand that or have that kind of feeling. So some of the people who live there I guess just carry this on. Everything I suppose is going fine. I've got some things I read, he was selling a lot of lamb. Lamb was some 46 cents for chops. So I got some of the bills. I'll read them later on. Half a half of she Appalam was $1.50. And he was selling to over 30 families. And so Musgrave is estimated in the years from 1900 to about 1920. I have 300 people about 300 people. I remember that still wasn't connected to Saltspring. The main thrust of Saltspring was from the Hudson Bay post. Nanaimo down to shininess to the sawmill. And then down to Victoria, which was then just exploding. With the gold rush a couple of old projects. I remember reading, I think it's up to him. He was even Victoria, Victoria had gone on something like 700 to 20,000 in a matter of what, four or five months, and there was no food. So that's why the white Saltspring was opened as a farming community. stricted and Musgraves was it's hard to believe that mustard was an agricultural setup, and I'll read some of the numbers. He talks about. There's a guy I'll mention Atkins. I'll tell a bit about that. Because anyone who wants to read something interesting you can download his diary. He was a Scottish chapter came over and took over the did do gardening for the did everything for the Masters. And he talks about at one point in here 4700 fleeces of wool lowdown the bull don't do that today. And I got the numbers in here somewhere and applying them from time to time.

Speaker 1 12:54
Now these are little barrel legals and big Navy. And three, bought three of those of pears and other times 31 box of apples 30 bags of oysters to say nothing of the number of sheep that way. There's one say, I think there's a number that says 300 sheep in one year. So it was really good cultural partner salts and hard to believe is just rock well, but it isn't, was of course, one of the largest splat areas on Saltspring is the top of Antoine and I can remember the legend of the 100 acre field I can just barely remember was well growing up when I was starting to run Chico. So I better check. They mentioned that I was born in log house that's not quite true. From about a week on I guess I returned a lot House came home ended January on the tugboat. Mom had guests they may be ones that religious buildings over there. And during a period of time that I was born came home on the temple often and think about it when you want to know a little kids come on tugboats because my two sisters and brother down to see the baby coming home and dad, a member of Dave Harris standing on Bob acheivements porch up here. And granny drives who is the midwife got funding down the road with a black Bay. And Dave said to Bob where his granny gyres Barton said she's going to deliver a baby. So Dave for many years, the babies come in black bags. Whereas I know that they come in tugboats. And the kids said that Catherine was yelling at them. So we all know those things nowadays and I'll talk a little bit about that to finish up here with that said that Most cases settled primarily by Boer War veterans and also people later on from the First World War and remittance now. I'm sure you all know what remittance now you can tell me why you would live on site Hill and second rate accommodations with 6000 acres. Wishing you could be in England. Well, the family doesn't want you there more. So they send you off to Australia or Canada or something like that. And there were three generations of diesel related your pin berries first. To this day, I don't understand why I must call timberland. Maybe it's good Musgrave had a lot more money. But pinbar again, comes in 73. We've done some work since then. And we find out that there were land grants prior to that. One day soon. I'll get around to that. And who should I want to put together a little bit of a book about mosquitoes. She's probably the best Kenosha rather than that, but she's probably the best researcher on poultry by a longshot. And she's found a lot of this stuff. The guy next door to my dad, his name was Muldoon. And he's been a veteran of the Boer War, except for one small problem. He'd been on the other side. And I guess what happened is that the civil servant who is filling out the form, didn't bother to ask who side he was on. So my dad and him were next to each other. And they go on Finally, there had been a shift, right? And he built this cabin with these beautiful mahogany beds. And on the contrary, that looks like this and down and I find that beautiful things. And of course, my dad was a carriage maker. So their work that they did was marvelous. And then there were a bunch of other people and then then about 13 or 14, another group of I think they're down on my notes after about 37 more separate come in. So there were the piggeries 73 Musgraves. And these are families that come in the last period, give way to the finches. And farther up just before you break off to go to the Buddhist camp was another person came in Frankfort and he wasn't quite as wealthy as these guys. But he was a pantheon and got my sister kept some things there and I dropped somewhere there.

Unknown Speaker 17:51
One of these days on sort of

Speaker 1 17:56
kept a diary which is a marble you can't touch that or have it but she kept secret little notes from all of the papers for many, many years on their wonderful stuff that they're just stuff bought unhampered marriage remember we talked about that what's before, stuff like that and don't fiddle. So here's she kept Bradford who was a very important person at the top. And in about 34 he sold and moved bought 400 acres of the transplants they had just they had just decided to leave them. And so Mrs. Smith, one of the families that I'll talk about, played the organ and here's the the funeral pallbearers were Dr. Beth de Aikman Gord ruckle George laundy, my dad, Walter Smith, gondek, Mexico. And then the funny little piece over here goes murky. And some of you are familiar with the name Rosemary Lake. Well, of course, it's not a lake. It's a swamp that they dammed up and I think you can still see the cement on this on this northeast corner. But new people moved in and tore the house down. And the dam did up to have with a log storage and to provide hydropower, hydropower, not hydro but hydraulic power to run a shake man. And a shot the bolts of shakes down the hill here to the more or less to Papa John's throat, took them by bulk data for food and roll them over to Sydney over to Victoria which was exploding with products in Victoria of course, were important. The unknown with a story about Bart's hidden gardens. Uncle who abandoned. He rolled over to Victoria, two to three times a week to take strawberries and they put a sheep upside, tie it and roll over. And she told it. When we had the 100 and 10th anniversary, she spoke. And I said, well tell him about him rolling over. And he said, Well, why would they give personalized? Come on? That's pretty interesting stuff. And she said, you know how my other grandfather died, is that he died of exhaustion. So I started to laugh, and she didn't know what I was asking. He is a one on one grandfather, Rose auditorium two times a week, and the other guy does was exhausted or were too eager. So he didn't think ahead. didn't talk to me for a long time. Okay, well, those murgee My sister has found the Deaf mode notice for that 1941. And they have kind of a grouping up there several families fair of yours house, where they were cousins, I think Patterson tale, not this, not the full house. And a number of them there. And if you guys think your talk, the rosemary, kids walk down a hill, up to the school, and home again. Now that's a desire for education. So tough kids. So these are just some of the things I've got now. This guy will dune. And you can have a look at he wrote, strange guy, he left in about 34 sold the land to my dad for 160 acres for 5 million bucks, goes down to San Francisco. I mean, somewhere along I guess in San Francisco, he writes an incredible poem called the nectar of the gods. And Flo has typed it out to me that there should count from the roots. This guy had a pretty thorough knowledge of mythology, and entertainment, WC is just absolutely incredible. So I'm gonna leave that for very long. And it looks to be kind of a take off on. Be careful here is not my mean something about the Catholic Church and how they collect money of people. So you can read that at some point, you can turn it around if you want to keep somebody interested in wildlife. So that's one of the guys. And then I wanted to talk a little bit about this guy, Atkins. He was one I mentioned, who was the caretaker of the mustard. And here's another interesting chap. He has this book. You know, it's about this size. And it's in the archives. As I mentioned, you could download and you got to read. I got a hold of the booklet Sue Moorhead. And she read it to me for winter, under threat of death. If it was damaged, then I'm sure she would have followed up on it. But he every day for almost a year. And it's fascinating. what life is like there, they lived with a couple Chinese guys. And I think every now and again they'd get into the sauce because he talks about the Chinese mythology. And he talks about the woman who invented light because the universe was dark. As a physicist, that's a pretty good thing. But he talks one of the main thing, we're talking about large tracts of land and I think they're he's in this 80 acre park and one of the big jobs they have is cutting firms. So on the 27th and 25th commenced to cut firms in 80 acre park 26 Master Robert came back, etc. And then the 27 master robbing die all firms and this goes on for quite a while the firm's cutting the firm's and it's the sad case of quitted love he fell in love with the young musket and of course she had no time and he talked about By pulling the gentry over to college and station, you had to roll them over, because that's how you went somewhere that was you never come to the other. There was nothing going on at Dunkin, I mean, Ganges and that's a good thing. And not nothing for free. So he pulled them over, because that was a connection with the training story. And so she his marriage is set up between her and the big coal Bear Family, I forget the name. Thank you. And here's this girl she's in love with and she hasn't got any time for him. And he has to roll the family over to get off the train to go to her marriage in Victoria. So he stays here about a year and he talks about his plants, three and a half acres of oats in a day. This kind of thing. So three and a quarter acres of oats. A couple of days later, four days later, three and a half acres of canola. And then he goes on, they have to round up the sheet they've got probably 1200 sheet. This is before my dad's time and June 8 800 sheep in from Hong Kong. And that the poor drive these are quotes from his book another day they only got 600 from gone. There was a gold mine out on a farm and they talked about in the book about going up to the gold mine and bringing sheep at 300 Is it for dry that's pretty good. And the book goes on and if you have nothing to do some time please read about him and his his life over there. So I've got some of the quotes but that talks about the weather. So two dozen eggs one day shooting a lot of deer and they live every few days and kill sheep and that's their food talks about going home they go they roll over to couch and to see Mr. February who has now left and gone over to me he's not home go to visit somebody they're not owned by Roy and be because there's no other way of finding out please read the mosquitoes itself as I remember I've got a listing of the families here and all of the people he sold stuff to Walter and Gerald field and about number 1929 Two brothers government Gerald has a wife and they begin logging. So at this time the depression is there

Speaker 1 28:08
the big families are more or less gone. Not much not nearly as much farming going on. But logging is beginning in earnest. So the two fuse come Gerald few and Laurie if you live in Frankfurt's house I remember as a kid going on and on amazing to have one of these stairs that folds up into the roof comes down and goes up not amazing and out in the back they had these old derelict trucks there and we've kind of diamond teas and things like that as a little kid that's amazing because structures so Gerald Lord a few were quite an elegant pair and their brother Walter wasn't used to drink a bit and one night he is in full for dinner. I don't know which filter didn't that was probably number two. And he's had a bit too much and he goes up driving his old square car off the hill and over the hill drops right off like that when the car goes over it catches fire and burns up so the next morning they get over there and this car is all burnt to you know what they figured Pearl Walton bit the dust Well, later that day. They go to his old house up there is sound asleep. He's crawled home and that's quite a few miles. So he has kind of a reputation as they are I guess you determine nowadays I suppose another user but I don't really care. They were called gypo loggers. I don't mean that at all as an insult, but that's Word that everybody use and that meant you did careful logging the one or so loads a day and stuff like that. And then in the 40s when I would go back there would be running sheep from probably the time I was five. And we would go out on to milk from roundup sheep, either to do it running up mom Twan if you run up mom Tom on our beautifully, for a while you'll strengthen your leg muscles. Salt is no wonder I was a fourth high school kid in Canada runs 100 yards in 10 seconds. So you're in shape. It's not like again, geez, guys, okay, cars. So, in the 40s, I'd be back up there we go around, there was a male goat went around Roy Smith. There were three Smith brothers Arnold and Walter and Frank. And I'll talk a bit about them. And Roy, who was the son of I guess, on the Walter and Walter ran the post office. There was also a store that and I'm not sure if we ran that. I don't ever physically remember that just that it was there. Frank have a cheese factory. And that's where the mill farm is now. That was his dog. And Arnold, probably in the late 20s. Had a big water and I can barely remember that going back. I know that it was a lot bigger than it was Saturday. And he had electricity. And one of the stories was that he in the late 20s. He had a milking machine, because he had goats for the milk for his brother French cheese factory just about a month ago. So Walter this fuse, Gerald fuel would go down, and when I'd be up there, and you'd hear the truck coming from miles, because it was a big tank up there on my dad's Creek laundry Creek, which is a source of the water of that creature. And you hear him come in. So you're going to sit on the fence post and get away from and as a gentle person. He waited and waited, he walked on. And then you'd hear coming back up and you get up and post the awakenings on them. And somehow he thought of it is just stupid little kids. So the Smiths were typically remittance men, and I don't want to say too much about it. But I know when we left their 39 He put his goats in our field and locked the gate behind him. They killed all dads apple trees. Why there were 300 people. It's a number that more users, Bob Aikman used to talk about. There were seven about 70 people along the waterfront about halfway to monochrome and what's called the Japanese camp. It was a big logging center. And they had shoots down the log, keeping a skid roads down to the water, connect, skip these logs, gigantic big log into the water and then take them to Seamus. So that was one of the big

Unknown Speaker 33:27
logging areas.

Speaker 1 33:32
There are some rock bluffs up there. Someday, that well now but someday I'd like to find them again. Because there are petroglyphs. And you can see them from the water. As you know, they found petroglyphs here, they found the big rock. And one of the SATs are good because they Gordie Cudmore pulled a bunch of them out of down here and took one up and put it in a seal up here and invited everybody to see it. And a group of people using their poor judgment decided that he shouldn't have the right to have that there just feel so a court ordered to take it away. And it sat for years works on Public Works and Ganges Sheriff when he came to deliver the order to God he said this is the worst day of my life. And then after a number of years, I don't know three or four years I guess you might you might remember to remember and even some of the longer down or even the guy who did much more he threatened to go and take it and bring it back.

Unknown Speaker 34:51
So A compromise was made and it was brought back Fulford down here without any mention gotta cut and the other person's name because all the trouble of course is from the senator.

Speaker 1 35:08
And so because of that he buried some of the ones down here and he knows where the very ones are Muskers and the ones are still on the rocks up there. And I guess another lecture sometime and I don't accept it as First Nations study or archaeology. There were people here 1000s of years before that who worked for stone

Unknown Speaker 35:37
and that's that's what I believe. I don't remember the first nation ever working with stone

Speaker 1 35:44
that that made me feel like this group of people may circle your circle object. And now it won't be there anymore. That's another time so if you go there look for the better I've got a listing of all the people but I don't think you need that. You may be

Unknown Speaker 36:12
offered if you want to see it's the one that folder is very easy to see. It's a little clump of cedar trees between the bolt on tramping along and yeah.

Speaker 1 36:23
Um, so yes, I did. I assumed everybody would know what that is. But read that thing. But no mention of cord cutting. And it was unfair in many ways because it seems to me that he invited people in, he put a special Rodian and invited people to come and see him. And there were several others and after that issue, then he varied the other ones that are being asked and my sister asked him once about where they were in. Now, I guess nobody knows. The ones that were there that were still on the rocks. Well, this is your shopping list for the day Mrs. For a shoulder once $1 23rd of July who says trench a line two and a half pounds $2. Mrs. Fuller on the sixth of september two and a half pounds of chops, 45 cents. September three quarters of a land to miss Mr. Few for 25. So from July to October, they made $35.55 And that's probably a good

Speaker 1 37:43
time taxes $2 I think it was $3 for taxes at the

Speaker 2 37:52
church and finishing times was the row or the height sometimes was anything done with the wall or the heights

Speaker 1 37:58
from the sheep? Oh, my goodness, you have some I'll come to that. Thank you for bringing up this. Of course, the meat wasn't worth anything. They didn't raise the sheep for the meat they raised for the world will cost more. There was a time in the 40s I could remember it being $1 a pound. It isn't worth that. Now, way more than that. And I've got some of the things here we received from Louis George that was one of the chiefs over culture. But the sum of $5 for wool could be taken on or after June 15 magnitude seven. So the main purpose of of that was to walk in sometime in the 40s. I can't remember it maybe 10 or 12. We weren't living here. So we had to go round in both one of the next days and occupied with my dad and two men on the couch and tried to come over followed by two women. And they go in and have tea or make some tea that have been talking about the weather and things on the nose picker running around like this. And then they go down to the barn. And that stands off to the side and they look at the wall and they put money down on the goats doll. And then the other guy watches my dad's face. And my dad frowns nothing out for one couple of weeks later. A native will bring some salmon. And if my dad thought that was pretty tough here that was good. He always said there may be one more black fleece up in the houses. And you see that love black coats because they didn't have to dye it. This is the famous cartoon sweaters that was the wool from my dad and that That was not a native customer that was introduced. well documented was introduced by a minister from the Anglican Church who sought to introduce women's that's the word that's online. So that's that's part of it

Speaker 1 40:28
later on, famous general arrives up there roars around the country. Like he's humping logs. And he had a serious attack dogs.

Unknown Speaker 40:42
Somebody who maybe were you here I won't mention he was a famous gentleman is only one over there.

Speaker 1 40:53
Dear George, this comes via mail. In other words, you have to go down to the post office to pick it up that mosquitoes. Deathmatch will write me up on the phone last night he said, I don't know where to go more. But there were about 15 sheep on the lawn point between bull Balkan Burgoyne, and two biggest dogs got into them yesterday and killed him. He said some lambs will haul and my kids lost their mothers. I suggest that you feel equal to it. But that wasn't he was in bed while the spit today by the mailboat and get him to land you at the point, Billy McNaughton will go with you. So eventually a group go over there, and all of the flock, the lands have all been worked out. But he's horrible, horrible tectonics. This is part of the culture, this guy had been a general and in job. And he thought this was the same kind of funny. So the the kill that with half of that flock wiped out, and there's no way. So someone's later dad was in the Veterans Hospital in Victoria and the guy and his friend go in and they offered $25 for the sheet. And then they said that there's some things about honor that you can't prepare. So although they're not everything was happy, although here's an interesting letter. This is 1937 this comes from Paris. And to Mrs. cm trench, Samsung mustard VC and you can read it, look at that. That's Samsung mustards, then it gets to her. And a couple of years ago, I was given me some boots working at the fall there and a little girl comes running up to me and says, Do you know anything about mosquitoes? And I said, Well, just give me a moment and we'll get through what I'm doing. I sat down and it was the granddaughter of the translator. And she and her boyfriend are here from Paris. They were doing they were sound. He was a sound engineer. So they said they wanted to know and isobar arranged a trip over to see the land. They had in she's reading her grandmother's know, fascinated. Her grandfather has written notes about the fairy ferns, beautiful little birds in the rivulets. And they're in the book. And so I showed them this this pocket, the Savior. And these fairy ferns. And this is the first this is can you imagine come from Paris, no idea what's going on in America. And they this is what the grandmother was writing about. And so they took the sounds of phosphates, we stop that were my dad's house it then I'll come back to the Vietnam people in a minute. Because they wanted to go to places Muskers where their grandmother would have been, I want to go about another hour. And they wanted to play this record record player of these 78 records that had been her grandmother's and so they did they play and they have the sounds of that. And then we have we they went down on dog golf and took the sounds must be the wind and the waves. And that was sent on the computer. So that's on the computer. You can hear the sound of the MOSFETs. And so about a year later, I get a note that their parents would like to come up to parents, I guess to cars and so forth. And this time I'm able to get them right into the place the caretaker up there. It wasn't wonderful goddess and Metis took us in to the old house, a friend's house. And so these people got to see their mothers, where she had to live and stuff like wonderful situation, we had a good time that the remainder of the Kellogg found a guy forget his name just for the moment. His wife is one of the killers. They took us into their houses, they built a gigantic big house, a long room and a room about this size of half a dozen visual grand pianos in one sitting area here. So I said to him, do you ever feel stressed about trying to decide which room to relax? And he said, No, I want to reach that point. He says, I have a drink. And they have a pool, one of the players. So a lot of memories, even though I wasn't part of that in my memory. I mean, the words I heard were part of it. And so it was an exciting time also for me. And in the book they talk about for this character. And I don't have a picture of it. So I sent them a picture of this guy, Frank with my brothers and sisters. So you can look at these apples. So they were these were wonderful memories for me as well. So my I grew up with the word treasures even though I didn't really know. And there's all of the stuff. The new burning down of the corporate Hall and the meetings to make a new one and burning down on I don't know which one it was appropriate in and then a week later, the hall fever point broke down. So a lot of you don't realize that I was a really good student. Take this on board. You all get to see us. They have

Speaker 2 47:22
Georgie, there was a question. I'm sorry. What about the Vietnam?

Speaker 1 47:28
Well, I came back. I used some back in the summer, I worked most of my professional life in Toronto, New York place. I came back. I don't know the actual days, but I guess it's middle seven. And they have the Vietnam draft dodgers had moved into musters because all of these old cabins were there and nobody there. I got to know some of them. One, the guy who lives in Frank Smith's house, was a PhD in geography from Caltech and he wasn't going to work. And sadly, they also parted I guess the drug called and they burned every single one of the houses down at Moscow, including ours. And then they went and lived in the woods and then I guess it was Nixon who pardoned them anyone know their history. They were they were left back in the States without penalty. And so they went they left everything. They left. Cats and dogs, some yogurt, goats, some of the goats up in axolotl, I probably leftover from them. And these things wiped out every pheasant, gross squirrel. When I grew up in the valley here 100 pheasants presence with a 22 BB a little tiny 22 And you could hit them with a plate with easy crops all over with these four hands, you can get a growth of rocks because of the too stupid to move with the fragebogen. But if you were left with rocks until I came down and I just noticed now a couple days ago that there are fences around my face and I hope they come back. They're awful, awful sounding in the evening. But that so they burned down every house up to every single one. And the last remaining structure that is Muskers. I think that some of you would have seen was my dad's barn and there's some pictures

Speaker 1 49:51
but that was the partner with just south of the road. Anybody going over to Musgraves and my brother Heather Cut it down about 1020 years ago for insurance reasons. Because the guys were hunting in it. And they were awful bunch of people who came hunting. And the beautiful just a pole restore force has got big saw marks where they cut these panels and use them for kindling. And there was a bunch of this group over there, camped at the barn and gone hunting and left the big bonfire by the barn. And my sister goes up there and takes all the water and puts the fire out and waits for them come back and then administers the law to them and tells them what to things in that situation. And they have to come all the way back down to Patterson door to get water. So if you knew my sister, you know, she was capable of that. So that's the Vietnam and then they all but very quickly when they were granted part and say live with little kids. I'm sorry, when you say the Vietnam I don't mean America. So why did they go burn down all the buildings? Why did they? Well, first of all, they weren't prepared for living outdoors and our house. Dad had metal over the chimney. So the rain and stuff didn't get in. And I guess it didn't occur to them. The sparks get right out there, just like that. So they didn't purposely they don't no, no, no, not deliberately, not others. But there were a lot of weird things happen. And I don't really know about it, but I had met some of the people. They some of them, probably most of them were flower children, flower children and into into the stuff like that. And I've met some of them. And some of you will remember that a little child was killed over there and one of these parties. And then the woman involved was sin to be a witch. And so she goes over to main island and another child has killed his part in the mountains just went and picked it up. And one day, they're all up in the pocket, you'll harbor hotpot with the beautiful murals that are now some of them were saved and are now at the new museum up there. And my brother, who was a sea captain at that point, shaven down and dressed like a military man and tans and me with a grubby beard. So we'd go have a beer too. And we notice a strange feeling everybody's looking at and then there's people running into the washroom all the time. You could hear a lot of flushing going on. And finally this drunk guy can donate he said I know you guys are using the RCM and mounted police so much brother I guess looked like they thought we were on a drug I guess So anyhow, we we got to eat. And the other question I think I can tell you about like I didn't urge all my life was going back then of course I'm sure that you don't have to do much clearing of land to get down to the sheep. No, not with sheep. I don't suppose where the house was is a natural spirit. He cleared a garden up above the road and double well. And the creek Of course, so it's outside. Now that was Branford did a lot of fun. He could 100 acre field. And there were some other people down below. I can't remember their names now. But the hill brothers and people like that out towards the monastery. That that was true. But it was a rocky surface. Now, of course where the mosquitoes were they cleared those fields and there was quite a bit of the silliness to still want a garden done by professional gardeners laid off so he didn't have to clear it all he fell trees in what's called the cedar bottom. And this is quite a large area, not too wide that run right along the creek. And he has these beautiful trees, many of them that had been killed by fires previously. And I think there's only probably two areas on Saltspring that haven't been destroyed by fire in the last four or five years. And one of those is the mill farm, which should be burned because if you go into the disease, it's horrible, the rot and stuff like that. And that comes up on a winter crop right above my property where I am 40 acres up there. All of those trees are starting to shore and the other areas maxvill, that old old forest there, and you look at those trees, you can see the disease and I'm not advocating you run up and let it fire. But there are more and more places now in the country where they let the fire school and all the American states have parks by and large number of electric cars. Because it is a necessary part of the evolution of your life and the culture.

Unknown Speaker 55:46
My question, I can take lots more questions. What's his name? Becca says you've got the brand new.

Unknown Speaker 55:58
Did you say that? I'm Rosemary Rosemary Lake. Did you say there was a flu

Speaker 1 56:04
shot, shoot down this side of the creek and it comes out energizes all property. What Jones wrote off to the left. And I can remember it as a kid, because that's was my thing. I came down. I used to walk down there from the time aside a factor of five and a half on. And somehow there was no fear. We did. I mean, now you wouldn't dare let your kid your 11 year old kid out for the bustle. And la Charlie Sampson story about his. They had 12 Kids, I guess. And she used to come in every night about 11 o'clock and count them. That was her security, total security. And there was a different time we didn't have that kind of fear. There was no fear. And so I thought nothing I would take dad was in 40 in a year ago. I'm 4219 42. I've got a diary here. And I'm one of the few people that is lived on Mount Bruce, a couple of weeks. He was a firefighter. And I'm to six. So I got the first time I got there. And I'm really amazed that because of these big wheels and you line up on the smaller and the guy will burn that mountain. He lines up and the guy there and all these things lined up and that's your direction format and directorial and they can now either with GPS but you know it is amazing. And so we live in a camp, we just had a big chasm, Wood was about this high and my job was to come down to seven years of the game and water burn juices if you're down towards Fulford, you can see a big new longhouse up there. That's where ferry you had an orchard and the well so my job for mosquitoes I had one toy to play with and get water I think as I've said I think I was five years old before I realized my name wasn't get wood. There's only two jobs in the world of matter that pick an Apple computer. The whole bill Aikman used to take a couple and fire would be more than twice and so there was a 40 and go ahead up there. Ranger drive took me up there it's dark out there and I got a few other little things here pictures, barns and things if you would like to see right now I want to read you another

Speaker 1 59:03
don't don't worry you will get something a letter from the police I have to reject is the difference about today? Vendors

Speaker 1 59:25
now there's a guy who in pounds, my dad sheet get over there to get into the garden. So he impounds a pound of sheep but in pounds the sheep. This is from probably the most famous cop there are certain assaults between credible Semitism. In New York, your letter would appear that Mr. Moore and yr does not have the protection outlined above, the sheep have a free run to the property of bow tie, therefore he has no combat and in consequence has no right to empower your sheep. The law of an organized territory is simple. You do not have to fence to keep sheep in, but compelled to fence to keep them out. That's exactly the opposite. tweeter was incredible. All right, any other questions? And then I'll come I'll sit here for a while if you'd like to come up and see some of these pictures, which is all I've got. A little bit. Any questions? I'm sorry,

Speaker 3 1:00:49
would you say something more about the petro this and your comments about the round blocks or the round stones or the stone workings?

Speaker 1 1:01:02
No, those are on the face for rock face. If you've already in the book down, there's a little island here. That's a part of Bobby from us owned it for walk, give it a park and just don't pass that what's called a second creature to keep coming down. And the second big is a big flat rock face. And mom, I forget whose boat I got out with my mom. And you could see them with glasses. On the right you can see the cartoons. These are cartoons. And many years later, I tried to get in there by car and I got in partway and I walked down and couldn't couldn't find that face. So I think if I ever went out of the boat again, I would

Unknown Speaker 1:01:45
that would be helpful.

Speaker 1 1:01:48
Now that's different from the carbon, the carbon the the stones that he had, and very more rocks, big ones, the size of some of them the size of the cigar. I mean, we're talking about large scale.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:07
I think we all Georgia round of applause before we look at all those things

Unknown Speaker 1:02:16
I'm glad I'm glad I was able to sit down.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:21
We did a birthday this morning.

Speaker 1 1:02:25
Debt from her shoulders just came across that was like a show to me. A lot of people don't read the data. And they're really impressed by them. Somehow it wasn't handed down in the family song. I mean their goodness. Because some of us guys from corporate used to go in one end of the school and get kicked out the other end. Pretty much that's when there was one school.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:50
So when did you go to school? Where did you go to school?

Speaker 1 1:02:55
I only went to Ganges because as you know, the school is I think mainly important. And I'm in a second class. Third class I'm 42 Cat dogs is a year ahead of me. normal normal mode. And Tom 20 was two years ahead. Wherever you create for Mexico. Okay, so Okay, so you're six years ahead of me here a whole

Speaker 1 1:03:28
Yeah, so I only went again, Jesus, my sisters and brothers went for a couple of years I'm here. He saw pic, I saw a picture of send the archives now his mom dumped him small. And she taught there for a year

Unknown Speaker 1:03:44
for a strange for a long time. They didn't allow married women to teach

Unknown Speaker 1:03:49
married 39 So I guess one quick teaching them and then you showed me the picture David 40 or 41 of the full three. So I assumed that the school teachers all went to war as well as

Speaker 1 1:04:04
trying to sort that out sometime when I if I ever get the chance to look at so they do not come up and see some of these things and just poke around with it. So

Unknown Speaker 1:04:17
how did you get to school?

Unknown Speaker 1:04:18
Did you want to get

Speaker 1 1:04:21
Musgraves it was sent there while I was there any reference bus and the Carlin's boss came down to waitress corner waitress coordinates where there was a funny animal set up from the barn there just north the kitchen door. And it was a very serious issue. We will work every year the the northern boss returned by the South to take the kitchen because they got four kids. And there wasn't any niceties of volleyball numbers on the soccer team. They had 20 Guys it didn't matter. Six that was too bad. out there. And we've kicked the daylights out of many because most of us were cheering for Lee and Brian rep. Those guys were in shape. We engraver our cars all day long. We I only ever went on my stuff. Bernie Renton was an old cop from Seattle and he was the perfect guy that was the thing that he did with he'd be fired and that you were fooling around and Bucky stopped by the company and have to sit on the BBC which is the steps and anybody coming in going to pound you on the head on shore and so there was just this bus so we always had we I always had buses now I must say it's quite a different picture. Alfred went over to some kind of school I guess it was run by the capitalists just over make maple baby and then for a while he went down to state at last other's place in bunches of points for the Isabella and then of course there was they have correspondence courses. Mrs. Smith for the Smith who was a music had been a music teacher helped them with their courses. So somehow they survived until they got down a certain night and then went hit for the army when he fell and got a good beat for education and they

Unknown Speaker 1:06:41
don't just mom has the

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first pool in the valley

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we used to go and swim in the pool

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you wouldn't do it now. You wouldn't do it now that's not normal

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that happened to my palms okay please come and look at these if you've got a few moments there's some signatures on some of the original game

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ideas

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George should tell everybody their handles crooked. You should tell anybody the handle is crooked it's crooked for a reason why No. I didn't tell him that

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these brothers disappeared

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around

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here on the weather wise you able to