307_Chuck-Tasaka_2013.mp3

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8.02.2024

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Last time I came just in February came, I think it was somebody bought

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so those were the two apple trees. Was there or is it someone oh and God, or my grandparents, and

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they weren't for soccer, the renewing the last

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order, it was seeing like muscle muscle Judo was the group, my great grandfather the second day, he married an older, like older, and they didn't have any children. So their daughters, the wife's younger brother. And that's why we don't really have a cycle book because

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he was an older

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son anyway, but still he was named after the Sackler family.

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Are you as a child were you on?

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Like I was born in Midway, near Greenland. That's the first internment camp. And already I can foresee. So I was born in 45. So that's why I ended up in the interior. But my grandfather left Saltspring in 1927. And then, eventually, 1935, he returned to Japan. But the kids stayed. Some of the kids stayed and well, my dad went to Steve, after the full family left for Samsung.

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Do you have any pictures of your families and stuff?

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Do you have any photos? Yeah, it's in the book. In the library, the whole

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all 18 cases a reference

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book that you can borrow.

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File on the Japanese. It's very

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important people's names. Remember,

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I know one of the last rooms had names of the families that stayed

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here. The American family these days. Well, they came back. Yes.

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I think we have that.

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We have my uncle kill married a Nakamura. And her older brother ran the dry cleaning here on Betancourt Avenue. That's right. That's in the book. It's in the And so anyway, yes. Somehow they ended up in lemon Creek, or foul ball. And they got together and you know, they're they live in Toronto now.

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Thanks, Dan. The book? Yes.

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That's right. Yeah. So

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I was trying to buy one a

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few years ago. We don't have anymore and that's the only thing I should have brought that.

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Checks out said they tried to they tried to do a reprint a reprint, but it was such poor quality that they messed it up. Yeah, that was when we were talking about the title, and how how it could have happened. Yeah.

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Like my scenario, this, you know, like back in those days, I mean, even the immigration wasn't that tight. So my grandmother, she was saying, Oh, my dad was my dad. My son was born in August 13 1907. Oh, this morning, August 13. And, because that was a big, she was at the immigration. So she just gets stuck, because the only record they have is the Dryden umbilical cord. And they will put down the date of the person who is born with that umbilical cord dry. And that was the end of the Buddhist temple in the village would keep track of you know, they came down here. Everything fires do so in 1907, in the late 1900s, he ended up in Portland, Oregon, where his cousin, cousin, uncle, and Dr. Shiomi became one of the neurosurgeons in Portland. And then, meantime, while he was staying with them, he worked in the force industry in Portland in the winter, and then he found out about seasons with the fishing. So he would commute back and forth. See Isn't it and then in 1905, he was naked on tour. So he went back to find a wife in Japan and came back. And then in 1905, in Steve's in

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the oldest boy

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died of typhoid fever and drinking bad water and found out about the clean water and salt spring. So that's why they came here in 1905. So this thing of the date teen kids were born here.

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And they were born here.

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And we have records. And our she said she died as a baby in 1923, or something like that. Some central the cemeteries their headstones there at the cemetery. And you Yeah, so I don't know. Yeah, it's funny. I guess everything got lost. Yeah.

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So how many how many were living in the house on CD?

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Let's see now.

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That was the mean, how I think

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we might have got some of the older ones went back to Japan. Yeah. So maybe the first two, you have to read that book. I think the first two oldest

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to Japan. So grew up so you said 15 of the kids. How many kids were born altogether?

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18. Were born here on

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here, basically, but 15 out of 18 were born here. Other three

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were the older younger, like were they born?

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Before they came here? No. They were all they were like the oldest ones are born in steeped. And then the youngest ones were born what station? Does he know? He

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lived in 27.

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How did he learn about the charcoal making?

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That I don't know. My dad used to explain that in Japanese. And I you know, when he when he was saying was sumiya to me as a young kid. What's that? You know? So I didn't really pay attention to

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that he wouldn't have learned it in Japan. He said he wasn't interested in that kind of work. Yeah,

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you know, this puzzle. I don't think he would have done that kind of work.

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Maybe he met somebody else here. That's right. Like main

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island and Galliano. They built a charcoal but so he might have had a friend here who taught him how to make charcoal. Because he was basically a Siebert. Like he was helping his dad with lugging the cargo up and down Jack Japan.

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Oh, yeah. He would transfer

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like the coal from southern Japan, they would ship it to, you know, the murals. I found the walk I admire.

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Yeah. So he was like, you know, his adopted father's gold for certain.

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We decided they were he was also he was a very resourceful person.

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You know, he salted fish and then the certificate pen. Oh, look at the business and also, he made good money on that. And then he was helping as a carpenter helper, Gilbert and he built the wooden sidewalk in front of the store. And then the rock wall underneath that rock wall still there. It's amazing. So, yeah, he, he helped a lot. And my dad was also helping. They were like, 16 or something. He's daddy. Boy. Built the sidewalk right here in front of the store. So when my dad was alive, he's

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gross. Those give us the impression that he had very good relationship with McAfee and Lloyd Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah. He trusted Yeah. Well, I I've never met my grandpa. That's the thing. Knowing my dad and they're very personal. Like my oldest brother said. My dad only knows 10 words of English but he can negotiate buying a net with a superintendent.

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So we got some stuff

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so how they talk to each other to you know, grandfather, you have enough English channel to talk to David McAfee and negotiate.

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Probably had a friend we must have. Sometimes it's sometimes not knowing the language is good for negotiation. It gives you a one step interval. Yeah, think about

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the next one is bakery

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Mr. Mrs. Second had many children

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while they don't really know how many kids some people think 23. But we? Well we know, they didn't know

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how to count in English, but they didn't know how

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to adult, because probably

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15 other 18 survived

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and most of them would have to be past 92. Sackler family was very wealthy.

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They spread out everywhere from Hawaii to USA

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partly in Japan, partly into Japan as well. No,

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I'm born and bred here. So I didn't know. I didn't know Japan. So in 1979, it took a year leave of absence. And I went there to study how to speak English. So I just wanted to get back and actually like, I could understand a lot of people, right. And like my parents, I have to sort of communicate with a lot of people. I've learned Japanese language, especially when I'm teaching grade six socials in school, and we're doing Japan and they said, Well, how come we don't know anything about how can we know you can't read that? Or how can we interpret that I said, that I'm getting it. So that's that insecurity I had. So I tonight I'm gonna go to Japan and learn. So I did. So I felt more comfortable coming back. So I do a whole day. Listen on Japan. I go from school to school. And we know all day on Japan. My school district is 68 Nanaimo. So so we started off with the history and the you know, the art clothing and artifacts. And then we would have Japanese lines we would have civil wrestling we you know, we had all these different calligraphy. So it took a whole afternoon. For morning.

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We traveled from school to school.

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That's a nice program. That's good. Math.

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George Nakamura still alive. He's in his 90s in Toronto. And he seems interested I think he wrote his family history

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where they were in Salt Springs. Yeah,

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they like you say the older brother had the dry cleaning and then all the parents moved. They moved to the victorious startup on dry cleaning businesses. That's my cousin she's my auntie she she passed away we have the name Durandal Mitch because a

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couple years younger

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I remember they were saying that they were in the newspaper

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they rehabilitated the gravesite

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just upstairs what right well, there was we have some photos somewhere else what happened but people just somewhere along the way I guess.

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They were taken down probably use something

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I put I put this map together at one time what? I don't know if you saw it on their website water. Japanese holdings.

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I read somewhere where somebody worked or had a property. I bought Bobby Coleman's book. I had a chat with him. We we talked to him because we're looking for Walters. Cool. Oh, yeah. And it's not on the maps right there. So that's why it made sense for my grandfather to make his charcoal show. I put down there and put it on the boat and then go to Victoria to sell that oh yeah talk about my thinking was he went to Fulford harbour and I thought maybe he loaded onto the ferry no he mind you he was a sea merchants of course he could he could do it all himself

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and there was actually a fellow was here yesterday taking up this actually there was a road down from Ganges to the cove it's not there anymore. Cut it all up. Yeah, real estate. Moved the road looked at an old chart 12 charts right.

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They always mentioned that you're near the Yacht Club and the sand sand sand sand spit or something along here so net worth Britain court button Corbin

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corduroy

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Yeah, so the neck admirals must have left them with a trail

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but it's just a sign

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that's right on but I can maybe give you George Nakamura 's email. Do you have his email address? No. Okay. Maybe I'll send it to Don and then maybe you can get find out more about the neck. Georgia is still alive and he's he's so

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here's the thing about county animals so might have somebody on here Oh,

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I have the names of the people that UBC graduate student and he wrote his thesis on it and he ended up the rehabilitation project that how they did it and how they funded

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the research and re it was like he's still alive and he had the sunset oh yeah drive there yeah

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that was a big property yeah

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yeah they lost in the court cases

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so they congregated mostly here Ganges

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there they couldn't do it very good roads I guess.

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Right. Yeah, I read one where they were this one person was at Musgrave landing or somewhere unusual they travel that far and

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well, no, they didn't travel commuted mostly college Bay what it's all by boat all boat

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because there's no roads, right? To an overachiever and all those kinds of things back in those days. Okay

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okay, okay. I'll be passing

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tomorrow. No Friday. I will see you on Friday. Oh I'll be there. Okay. It's gonna be chicken oriental chicken

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is that pretty low Griebel like furniture Yeah, breathable Island

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was mostly old by one family.

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Who was the family that lived there? That's he seems like out of that looks like Scott Scott point away from everyone else. It's your long harbors. It's

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number 12.

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Number 12. A bachelor bachelor. Oh no wonder that's what he was. Might have been a fisherman or just dropped his boat there yeah

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yeah that's good. That's a good yeah.

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I'm not sure how accurate it is. Put a dot there by guessing by golly. But it seems like

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so you're doing this with every family in Saltspring or Whoa,

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only as much as I can.

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Black Americans came here to the early Starks and yeah, so you document the gold students. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like the Americans came up here in

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America it was interesting those photographs brought them to me. We just borrowed them and rescan them and and be returning. Right? Do you need and then the house burned down and they lost all?

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Yeah, maybe you've got a lot of art to sack of. So my dad was sitting with the kids didn't they were working hard so they took a break and picture. I gotta find that. I do. I'll send it

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out if you want. Yeah. Wonderful. Yeah.

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Because they called my like, my auntie was younger. The joke was called them like Mr. Althaus like President Prime Minister. You have to clean all the old houses and then that was put the night so and the gardener just vegetables this girl yeah the last slide

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that talked very fondly of Saltspring you know? He always talks about Saltspring and something when he didn't have food Oh my dad and his brother will go down to the beach and look for octopus or whatever whatever he can you know find and feed the family 15 feed a family of 15

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conference yeah got a photo album was in pretty bad shape of a teacher

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digitalized to make it sharper. Well

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yeah, I scan them all and just show you some

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very real that jabs cancel yeah it's it's high acid for all right. Yeah. So we have to get them up a coma

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tonight tonight

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yeah, I don't know.

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Like I've never lived on top springside

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That's around 12

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that told me about one thing we came over here and that talked about it so

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they use dynamite

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to get the stumps and everything

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I scan the whole page of the photo of the album right isolated all the photos.

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Yeah if I find any like you know my uncle paintings he was an artist so he painted the CB home to apple trees wow that would be I'm sure I videotape those apple trees to know yeah

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yeah that's okay

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they were laborers

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got to get rid of all the stumps when a task Yamaki

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do they some of the answers are offsprings or grandkids come here try to research but they're the best places to come here if they want you then

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your budget needs guys like you know much about it and it's word of mouth word of mouth.

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It doesn't take long. We were thinking we would also do with on Park charcoal. separate presentation. Yeah, because it's right.

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I started the little bit to

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community service

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was it you took a picture of all the charcoal like somebody standing there like yeah this one yeah I got this one

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so this is what got me interested in now though this file

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my brother that's my brother cast but he lived in Japan affordable came after that's the main island also that's the book The second book yeah

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you've already got

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oh here we go back so when its newly constructed charcoal pit under the direction of Steve son he's the graduate student so he's students see they built they built

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that was the air hole like member that would have to be loading yeah and then

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close it down close

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it down

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understand an article

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grandfather when he built the rock wandered mullet, it's all looked like this without any cement or area

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where your brother was. That's Oh, yeah,

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right. Can you scroll down? That's the cheeks. Yeah, I've never seen it that angle. But that is the store up here. Because I remember there's kind of a war for something. If you look underneath the water, that's where the rock was.

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You can see where the tide line is right here.

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Yeah, right. I saw something about your boardwalk or something. The

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boardwalk was there

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I felt a little uncomfortable doing this because I don't have any copyright or, or any rights to

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get permission from my cousin. Ivana Ivana.

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I did try to email at one time that was a couple of years ago. And I didn't get any response or the email address. They still active. Yeah.

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Yvonne was teaching art at Capital, Lionel. Not that long ago. But like I said, they're getting older and they're getting more forgetful. To try again. Yeah. I can email.

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You just their introduction. Yeah, just the permission to publish some of stuff on there online.

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Okay, I'll email Yvonne and Ted.

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Sort of sneaky way to

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agree with news. And the same thing is, how did that guy get a memory card full of photos from the museum and send it like, if it's for his own profit to write a book and use all the photo without the permission that they said was not good. Like me. When I wrote my book, I profit all went to that museum. And I've donated the murals and everything. So that way, you know, I was glad that they gave me the photo. So that's my return.

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But that's the simplest way simplest way.

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Yes, reciprocation. You just don't get it and then say, Hey, I'm gonna make money on this and not return. You know, you have to get back to your community

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getting hungry for lunch? Yeah.

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Sure. All right. All right. Nice to meet you.

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Let me treat you. thankful that we found that tiercel Oh, yeah. Oh, hold

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the 40th

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come later.

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Wondering if she's worth for her to be to keep coming because she comes for just one hour many times we don't have anything for her and when she has worked she's not even able to complete the work because in one hour can't do it it's not much so she wants to talk to Diane to to to

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number on here maybe

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all Kagan Alton Okay, I got your number here. 6532447 What's your last name? Alton. Das Kagan or No, maybe the other way around

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