Price_Asian-Canadians-Vancouver-Island.mp3

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24.04.2023

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book for several 100 hours

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recording now Absolutely. It's actually recording what I'm saying

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as a backup

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well okay I'll put this one no I won't I'll keep it with me because I'm doing this now so that I don't have to do the last minute and put it on the podium now. People will be coming in and out somebody will stand

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out I'll put it under here

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your eyes in terms of the spit out

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good nobody will see that

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this is according to

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what I can I can show how to turn it off because I didn't carry this around with me every swear word recording

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it's a condition

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of logging

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so that's 20 chairs.

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so we're easily going to be able to get out there Paul.

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because my every word is

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Today sorry during the presentation today I have a different presentation the guy who did this exhibition is coming up from you give us a talk yeah, it will be

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too sorry that's a two o'clock two o'clock

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to see?

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I came earlier and took pictures the whole panels

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I mean that picture

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is mine are you one of roses sisters or no Euro

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Where are you from?

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A mover Yeah, born and raised. Right What's your name?

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which was your should I be talking to an

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emerging limp? Limp so I teach a backhand rival University until you're working on

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do you see me or me? Do you see me? I see

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ready for your part of making these panels happened or the production of many standards

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so this is the first time I've seen a movement. Like this is the first time I've seen it.

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I came in because I

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was so happy that I came. I read around it. So it's with being in the local paper was the local paper to the calendar I just flagged a couple of people know that I have real community based activists

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and I am

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community activists.

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I used to live in the Downtown Eastside kept honeybees down there at a

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factory of seven to 16 East Hastings in the US to access whether it was free software or why not.

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And you know what an amazing labor struggle history there when they

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crush the

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data police in 1970. I think the pressure strikers were actually used 91913 There's a picture somewhere in the archives of the

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police attacking strikers that we're working on.

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Now I live

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your life my father ran a Chinese restaurant in Chinatown, the WK gardens. So if you are if you've had a long, relatively long history in Vancouver, you might recognize the name Wk gardens. It was one of the it was one of the earlier restaurants that had been subject. Going back to the Okay, Wk gardens. So I've met people who have their graduation party at the WK. So were you Where do you live now? No, I didn't I live in an AI by teach actuary

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or filing University. So I was part of getting the money for the clock on I basically.

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This is the long

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story here quickly is I know about the grace Island.

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I just love Joe read not coming. Okay. You know, Brian, can you hear me again? No. But Chris, I

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know, she's, oh, she's awesome. She was

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writing Pam, P E. And

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she's the woman who,

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when we bought the community stopped the logging here a great $22 million

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an acre. And long story short here is a park landed on the traditional First Nations Park on third one day, and they went, Wait a minute. This is our historical area here where we had commercial fishery, if you want to call it that, or whatever. So we got along. And I happen to be

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do something for paper and

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got that help out with this whole separate issue. It's right here in the island. But this was trying to make sure that this wasn't parked out. Right, right.

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As well being to have surgery, as well as the natural history and get them out of which so that's this this one guy. I know the story on this story. So did you help put this panel together? No, I didn't do this panel. Because I was wondering it's done in the style of the so yeah, well this one is blonde. I'm surprised because when I came in this morning, this was

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this whole this was like this

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and

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I just ripped it up. So I put the put it back up the Velcro. They're on their own life and I was curious about that.

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But I'm gonna take a closer picture of this one

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so I just told Brian

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and her book

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won the Book of the Year award last year for British Columbia which was called which is the history of.

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Guess someone's done a really good job of complimenting.

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I was wondering

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Smallshaw

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I'm wondering whether it's Brian Smallshaw

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Brian Smallshaw Brian Smallshaw lives on assaults but yes, he did a masters that you great.

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Like to read it

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for myself

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You came down for this are you making specifically over I know

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I teach but I'm on leave this semester

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I had a hip replacement so I'm still healing

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got bit by a spider and

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we're fighting crazy

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I was trying to exercise my advocating lifting

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so you did the concept design

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the ultimate phrasing on this is what I did with two others

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that's that's my father. That's your father

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Victor near him with your camera. Oh, yeah.

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And I'm actually having to deal with this individual next week because just like our reviews

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so this this is this is the

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you know, like acre site and they just have Yeah.

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Yeah, so I'm

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just

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getting their identity

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until I can fit all this profit I'm gonna get you in there

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I think it's a money shot

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to

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the commission I tried being closer now. I don't know much about becoming closer to the car.

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I don't have my makeup artist.

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waiting waiting for

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pretty good.

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her father in the laundry.

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Was a walk through her family ran through the laundry. Oh, yeah. So father's a warm? Oh, yeah.

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He knew the cat Anagha because

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so my family is recovering, that that photograph I got from

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her daughter.

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And

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her daughter gave us access to that particular image.

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Do you know about the price? The person giving the topic if she would? I don't know.

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So these days, the only copies of this. It's supposed to circulate? I don't know

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where it's going.

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I thought because I knew that this was happening. And as they say,

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I can free I have. It's not that it's really free time. But I have more time because I don't have to. I'm not actively creating exams or papers or

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you're teaching the

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government about screening. It used to be called what is it called?

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Yes, they rebrand auto duck to the world wants to break down everything.

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They don't want to

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deal with

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it.

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That past history, which is very problematic, because you either had for

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5067 years. I don't know how many years of being named around it is it was only 2008 when they need to get right.

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So all of a sudden, all that's important is

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to tap and I wish

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Traditional history it's hard to do

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a rebranding

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yet I'm so happy I came to Wiley and take a picture of the poster because I showed up because it isn't this is going on.

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So who is the person if you wanted to contact to get this set up

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I'm talking about writing pens, Book One,

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whatever, basically cook your award last year.

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She does museum design, presentations, and all manner, unfortunately many mediums. As such, he throws away a few of the lecture.

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And she

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mentioned this. She's the woman who, when we were negotiating with the logging company, there was $5 million on the table that wasn't cut up for the event. This was talking along with this technical topic.

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And she got a course and a trailer and went into

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the newspaper caught on

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the week on her own.

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She doesn't like she would like to claim to fame.

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Yeah, but that's it. That's how people like there's so much news that comes out your brain itself. It's like there's an iconic image that sticks. I just saw her she may show up. But she very much into museum design would be a community mapping. She learned on show on Twitter, and huge visual effects for barefoot mapping communication that we agree mapping so that we kind of map this trait or phrase way, literally or

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hardwired. So I hope she

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came up with you which was because of the corporate content

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I

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have a relationship with two other museums like like because that photograph was when my father was in Cumberland. So I worked with the Cumberland County Greek Museum and Archives. So I'm a descendant from that. And then I also work closely with the dumping culture galleries.

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Publishing values in

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the railway station

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Welcome?

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See people

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These are time series this is trying to use as just one dimension is going through the exhibition

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that's the donation

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central board

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which sort of leads the person central hall that they raised.

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This there's no depression hunger and this is the thing that's

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on the booklet that goes through the x and

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y dimension these are $20 each and this these are whatever it says is that this is specific to raising funds for a central goal and this is for the archives and the farmers Institute and this is for the as it says their Japanese government society so little bits of fundraisers that

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I should put the processes should

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try it to flow he could listen there's times when I wanted to

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but it's the it's an incredible presentation on the struggle of the countries on Saltspring and and a quote from our one of our panelists here at Grace eyelid Welcome back and actually I I came in about two three hours ago I was coming back for something else and they were on the floor so I put them on my phone off the thing the

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banner banners here on the voters right first

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yesterday

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folks here

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just tell me for some time

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that actually says

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contract

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workers

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these are actually donation pieces.

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Organization is having you can't have you can't have leaves unless you actually donate $20 with

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20 This is any donation on these on this processor this this was done by mustard so she's set those prices

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again

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all captured a bunch of the country about

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moving along those projects because we're hearing

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just sponsoring i The very first thing I think I was two days on the islands and I heard a pilot project was rendering but so I came to the presentation with the film

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thanks for

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talking to the archives and today we have John Price who's going to give us a talk about this exhibitions wonderful exhibition very delighted to have him very delighted to have a big crowd here as well. I've got this is the regular meeting of the historical society so I've got just a few notices Okay, really a few number one memberships are due. Susan is at the back and she is you don't have to do that now afterwards set right so

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that's one two is Bob asked me to remind people that we don't have a meeting next month.

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Three to show you.

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Goodness, just in time for Christmas. We have what we have actually first of all, is this booklet which goes with the exhibition it has extra information. It's not just regurgitating this it actually has an it has a whole page on the mercom is when I noticed Mrs. Sorry, most microcolonies here

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very common.

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And we have what we have is our limited condition Saltspring Archives Canada, this we've already we ordered extra this year we were already more than halfway through the numbers which are quite.

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We can't invest much in the small organization. We also have the farmers Institute book, which is archives of time

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is the history of all of these things going on support of voluntary organizations here in particular.

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In particular, spring archives, the Japanese garden society, which is CO hosting this exhibition, and the farmers Institute. There's also here

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small cod, which was painted by little Western to raise funds for Central Hall. The moment Central Hall needs 30,000 Plus renovation, and these are for Central. Okay, that's I think anything else so I left any announcements.

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to support the drive to change sunset drive to Iwasaki drive, if you decided, yeah, so this is a petition. And this is Brian's work about that. This is how I was pronounced that again, please. He was lucky it was lucky.

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Okay, so I'd like to introduce Dr. John Price Professor of History at UVic.

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This exhibition here called fighting for justice on the coast, or 150 years, and counting, fighting for justice on the coast has been produced by he and his colleagues to the share and Imogen Lim have produced this and researched all this information.

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As part of the AC VI, which is the Asian Canadians on Vancouver Island, which is a three year Social Science and Humanities Research Council grant that they have obtained. So they this is a three year project and the end of it, it's the end of it now know another year, another year. Okay, so one of the fun things they're doing is devising this traveling exhibition is going to go all the way around BC. The purpose of a CV is Asian Canadians on Vancouver Island, and its subtitle is

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race indigeneity and the Trans Pacific.

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And what that refers to is John's work, which has been concerned with the

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connection between Canada and East Asia in particular. And this particular exhibition is and let me read this here. The purpose is to document and reconceptualize ation Canadian history on Vancouver Island, with specific focus on ties with First Nations and the Trans Pacific. And so John, John's own research has been 20 years and professor at UVic has been concerned with the connection between Canada and the Trans Pacific, East Asia, in particular, he's published numerous journal articles, and he has two books published one on Japanese labor relations and the other, which we have in the library. I checked on this called orienting Canada race Empire and the Trans Pacific. So it's studying the changes in Canadian foreign policy, affecting, of course, influenced by the colonial legacy and racism. So I think that's, he's also at the moment term creating a biography of Victoria Chung, who was the first Asian Canadian who received a medical degree in 1922. She She was born in Victoria. So he's using a biography.

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Okay, so we need all the lights on it's only I say

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these these things for their backgrounds, somebody fiddling with the lights?

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Yes, so very pleased to introduce John Price. Thank you.

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Thanks very much for that introduction. And I want to congratulate and thank the Library, the Saltspring Island Historical Society, Julian Watson and Frank Newman of the archives, and Brian Smallshaw and Rumiko, Connie Sokka, of the Japanese garden society for the tremendous job they've done in mounting this exhibit here at Saltspring. In the library. I also want to point out that the archives here on Saltspring have been way ahead of their time in developing multicultural or cross cultural

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collection that really served as an inspiration to us as we began our project. And so in that sense, we stand on your shoulders and we salute you for all the work and for the inspiration that you've provided.

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I

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don't waste too much time talking about myself. I

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say that my ancestors came to this province over 100 years ago. They took land from the Kwantlen people stalo people, and homesteaded there. I went to Japan about 50 years ago, hard to conceive. But anyways, and I've been involved in sort of Trans Pacific Studies and Trans Pacific activism ever since. But it's only really in the past couple of years, that I've come to understand that all the long history of colonialism and its impact on indigenous peoples and on Asian Canadians, here on the coasts.

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Since I have started to understand some of those things I really tried to abide by the note sounded by Bev Sellars, in her recent book, price paid. This indigenous author says, and I quote, I know you're not personally responsible for these laws and policies. These are the colonial laws and policies. But now that you're aware, you have a responsibility to help change the situation. You cannot turn a blind eye to this because if you do, you will be doing the same thing as your ancestors. And I take that as an important note, and a sort of path a guiding light in terms of my own activities. It's, you know, it's it's a goal that I hardly measure up to, but it's one part worth pursuing. I think.

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I should say that

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when I arrived, and I looked over the whole agenda that has been established here, during the exhibit is showing at the library, I noticed that Brian Smallshaw is speaking next week, and he has two hours, but I only have one hour.

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I figured that it's payback,

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right that Ryan had to put up with my supervision of his master's thesis for five years. And so he figured now it's his time to talk.

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But seriously, if you can't say what needs to be said in 30 or 40 minutes, it shouldn't be said at all. So I'm pleased to keep myself within a very strict timeframe. And I will try to respect that.

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Two years ago, the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council funded this project Asian Canadians on Vancouver Island race indigeneity and the Trans Pacific, we had a team that put together the research project and received the funding, it included a reader to move Christina Bahnson and tussah Shea from the University of Victoria and emogene limb from Vancouver Island University. And I'm very pleased to say that image Jeanne Lim is here with us today. And she played a very key role in designing the exhibit that we have with us. So you just raise your hand again. So you

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one of our early activities was to organize a workshop here in Salt Spring Island. We did that about a year and a half ago, Brian Smallshaw, had been part of the project, from the inception it from its inception, and he and Rumi along with Chris Arnett were instrumental in bringing together this fabulous group of people at this workshop. But it was also pushed us to come to sprawl. Saltspring Island was Grace Island, the coalition that come together,

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particularly because of the work of Joey Coleman, who I see has joined us today, and I'm so pleased that he's able to come in actually, that, that fight to defeat a developer, and to get the provincial government, a Liberal government to recognize that that AI is sacred territory and should be preserved was so much an inspiration for us that it really, you know, demanded that we come to Saltspring Island and see what you've done, right? And so it was really, you know, absolutely essential for us to come together and learn how you put together the coalition, that one Greeks Island, and it inspired me, it inspired our project. And what we wanted to do was to go back in time to recover and make known earlier struggles. And the powerful testimonies at our workshop here on Saltspring island a year and a half ago, continue to resonate amongst many of us who have the privilege of being there. And rose Murakami was one of the participants and anyways, I ran into Gina Grant, who was up from the Musqueam nation and came to our workshop. I saw her just a few days ago and she came up to me and reminded me how powerful the testimony of

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Was that rose gave at that workshop and how she continues to remember the workshop itself and the work that we were doing. And so in that sense, that workshop was really a takeoff point, and continue to motivate us as we went along in this project.

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We have many people working on the project, and on this exhibit, and as was mentioned to sushi and imaging Lim, and other museum partners were very important and crucial in developing the exhibit on what I like to do. The exhibit obviously speaks for itself, I want to spend a few minutes just giving you some of the background, to the project and to some of the stories related to the exhibit. So we called the exhibit 150 years and counting, fighting for justice on the coast. And we use that term, 150 years and counting very purposefully, because we wanted to mark 50 years, which is the whole 150 years Canadian government thing, and we wanted to mark that, but we didn't want to celebrate it. Because there's so much stuff that's associated with Canada, and it's history that needs to come out that hasn't come up to date. And so we talked about 150 years and counting, counting both backwards in the sense that 150 years is only the history of Canada, the Canadian state, but the history of indigenous people on these islands goes back 1000s and 1000s of years. And that's not really taken into account when you start talking about 150 years of Canada. Furthermore, we want to talk about 150 years and going forward in the sense that the struggles that have taken place over that time continue, perhaps in different forms. But they continue to this day. And so we took the term 150 years and counting, and that we wanted to focus on justice. There was other names we couldn't use, such as human rights, civil rights, social justice, but we decided to limit to the word justice because we wanted to talk about many forms of justice, not just human rights, not just social rights, but also economic rights, land rights, that continue to be not recognized by the government, in British Columbia. And so that was the background to the title. What we wanted to bring together were stories related to people who have fought for justice. And we wanted to bring that forward. In a sense, it's very easy to continuously talk about the oppression of people that has taken place, and that there are many stories about that. We wanted to give voice to the people who had taken on that oppression who had fought against it and done something. And we wanted to give back to them the agency that they deserve. And there's is it times neglected in conventional histories.

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The ethics of doing this project are quite complicated. We have to clear every story with those who shared their stories with us in terms of how they were represented. But even then problems can arise. So to take one example, when we send an excerpt that was to be included in the history booklet, to the family member who had been working with us, she decided that she wants to share it with an uncle.

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And he decided he wanted to share his thoughts. And so he wrote me. He said, Hello, Mr. Price. I found this write up on my first read through to be mildly offensive. It is full of facts, but there's no harm in Mr. John prices writing. I will not endorse this paragraph as representative of our dad's story.

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It is cramped, coldly distant, and does not do our family and our father any fair justice.

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So you can imagine it's pretty hard to receive a note like that. Right? You work hard, and you think you're doing good work. And all of a sudden, it's a slap in the face, right? But, you know, in thinking over, I wrote this person back with some callback and thanked him for his feedback. And they said, although it's difficult to accept criticism that my writing is without heart and mildly offensive, I understand your sentiments. I carefully studied your article articles that have been published in Nikkei images, and appreciate that in some ways you are the custodian and guardian of your family's story. I will adjust the section on your family according to the recommendations and acknowledge your contribution. And with that, he replied, I look forward to meeting you some time. Thank you for your response. I appreciate your open mindedness and con response to my email

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And we've gone on to develop relationships. So these are the types of issues that come up. As we try and deal with stories that don't belong to us. They belong to other people, other families, and they have to be treated with great respect. And it was an important lesson for me, still trying to learn and, you know, act appropriately as we do this project. We have tremendous responsibility not to appropriate stories for our own purposes. And avoiding this is not easy, but it's essential if we are to avoid repeating errors of the past. So let me come back and talk a little bit about some of the stories some of which are in the exhibit, some of which are in the history booklet. And some of which didn't make the cup necessarily.

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Let me just take

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so this June, I spent the National Aboriginal day or people's indigenous peoples day at you squat or friendly COVID is known by its as it is known by its colonial name. It's an incredible place. How many people have been too friendly cold. Wow, that's fabulous. Oh, man, this is like, I asked my

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class in Trans Pacific history, how many people have been to Hawaii and it's about the same number, right? But friendly, cold, windy, friendly, cold. Usually, it's only one or two people. So you know, then how, what an incredible place, how majestic and

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how wonderful. It has, in some senses being preserved. It's the home of the more chocolate club First Nation as you know. Thanks to an introduction through the museum at Campbell River, our project was able to develop a relationship with Margarita James the Landon the Pune Cultural Society and the more chocolate first nation on what we have learned is that this community has been waging a protracted struggle to assert their story in the face of Eurocentric histories that continue to focus on you caught or friendly cold, as the site where Europeans including Captain Cook, and Captain Vancouver first arrived on this coast, beginning in the 1770s, you bought as the home of the more chat which loved First Nation who have lived there for 1000s of years, that story has been marginalized, and in the process of important parts of that story have been totally erased. For example, history has neglected to tell us that exactly 230 years ago, in 1787, to be exact, a more chat chief on makalah, a relative of the famous Chief mokwena traveled to China. Not only was he the first coastal person ever to visit China, he stayed there for a year.

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And

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he returned to you caught on board a British trading vessel in 1788. The British officers had hoped that he would act as their interpreter upon arrival back at you caught. But as it turned out, he had to decline. He had learned Chinese, but New Middle English.

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It's incredible that this more chat man, a chief in his own right, spent a year in China 230 years ago, only to be largely erased from the story of the Pacific Northwest. This is not maximum. It's a direct result of the colonialism that lives on to the state. So to has the story of the 100 Chinese who arrived at U quad, in with Palmer kala on his return from China. So two has the story of Guyana, the Hawaiian chief who also came to you quad at that time.

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The fact is the coast is part of a Pacific ecosystem. But unfortunately most historians have focused on the history of European settlement, not realizing that in so doing, they were focusing on those of privilege for no matter how poor my ancestors might have been. They could come to Canada, they could obtain land, they could vote.

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They were privileged compared to First Nations and Asian Canadians who faced it, this possession and exclusion for much of the past 150 years.

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In 1992, the more chart, Chief Ambrose mokwena called on his people to reassert your quads Aboriginal heritage to encourage spiritual renewal and to make Yukon a site for global interchange. Our project supports the more chocolate First Nation in this quest, and I hope you will too. they've succeeded in having you got nominated as a un designated world heritage site. So I hope that you will again visit you quat perhaps on National Aboriginal day, next year or whatever they have their Summer Fest, at which time they're going to be talking about some

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Have those people who came across the Pacific to you caught

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the fight for grace I that has made many people aware of the first nations and their continuing fight for land for justice and for reconciliation. For some in history histories, though its history is now conceived as a struggle to resolve the tension between settler society and First Nations. Our project, however, takes a little bit of a different approach. We recognize the fundamental nature of the contradiction

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between settlers and First Nations that this is a fight for justice for First Nations, particularly here in BC, where treaties have never been signed, and the land never seen it. Yet, it would be wrong to see the question as simply one of settler indigenous relations. I contend and our project has been shaped by the view that BC was ground zero for the rise of white supremacy, based on the dispossession of First Nations, but also the exclusion of Asians. Nowhere is this clearer than in the first debates in the BC legislature after the project province joined Confederation in 1871.

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In the early years, there have been a great mingling of people's First Nations Europeans, African Americans, Commandos, Chinese and others. However, as the economy transitioned from the first trade, the settler government became less reliant on indigenous labor. And at the same time, it covered the lands of indigenous peoples racial anxieties on the part of the white elite soon that to racial heartening directed particularly at first nations, but also other non white settlers, particularly those from China. One of the first acts of the BC legislature when it convened in 1872, just after joining Confederation was to define the qualifications for voting. The discussion in the legislature was a telling moment. On the one hand, legislators eliminated property ownership as a quality forget qualification for voting. But at the same time, a sharp debate took place over whether voters have to be able to read or not. For some members of the legislature, the literacy requirement was a means by which to restrict Aboriginal peoples and Chinese from voting. As one early legislator put it, he did, and I quote, not wish to put ourselves shoulder to shoulder with the untutored savage. He thought our position with respect to the Indians was very anomalous, we were distinctly told that we were not allowed to legislate for them, and under these circumstances, might be seeing them legislate for us.

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Another opponent of removing the literacy requirement, with further asserting that we might quote, after the next election, see an Indian occupying the speaker's chair or have a Chinese majority in the House.

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The vote to eliminate the literacy requirement passed 12. Tonight, what turned the tide was a suggestion that another way to be found to prevent the others from voting. A statute excluding Indians and Chinese from registering vital statistics had been debated the day before and passed Third Reading earlier in the afternoon. That exclusion was already on the books and saw a similar clause. excluding them, the Chinese and First Nations from voting was introduced as an as an amendment. With the literacy requirements eliminated the 21 legislators voted unanimously to support the motion excluding the Chinese and Indians from the vote, and the bill passed third reading on a Friday afternoon. And so it was that the property and property lists and illiterate white men gained the right to vote. And besides others, the Chinese and Indians saw their franchise taken away. But this was not a egalitarian ism, so much as racial solidarity. Remember, there were only 6000 Europeans in the province at the time, compared to 40,001st nations and Chinese. This was a minority dictatorship in the garb of liberalism.

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Not even in the US, but this occurred.

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African Americans actually won the right to vote through the Civil War, and even the state of Mississippi could not take that away. Thus, they had to find new ways. Literacy requirements, knowledge test, how many people have seen the movie Selma?

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Right, the story of civil rights the United States within that movie, there's a portrayal of an African American woman going into register to vote and she's challenged to, to name the first 14 Supreme justices to do this and that and they kept on going until she could not answer and then they excluded her from voting. That's the way they did Mississippi but in Canada

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If

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we didn't do that, the British Columbia legislature just took away the right to vote.

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The fight for the vote was a long one. There was a case in 1900, in which Tomoaki Honma, Japanese Canadian actually challenged the legislation and one in two levels of courts in British in Canada. It was the British Columbia government that refused to accept those decisions, and then appeal to the Privy Council in London to overturn the decisions. And in fact, that is what happened in 1902. And so for another 45 years, Asian Canadians and First Nations and even longer in the case of First Nations did not have the right to vote. And so it's why today, the National Association of Japanese Canadians, is currently asking the provincial government to review its record and to fully acknowledge its role in perpetuating racism and instigating the uprooting that took place in 1942.

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Of course, women were not considered in the discussion in the franchise in 1872. However, women did win the right to vote in British Columbia in 1917. However, we have to be clear that what was one was the vote for white women. It was not the vote for First Nations, women or for Asian Canadian women. And in fact, when there is a motion in the British Columbia legislature in 1920, to allow the First World War veterans Japanese Canadian veterans who had returned from Europe.

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The motion to allow just those 150 veterans to vote was defeated by a coalition of women's groups and veterans groups.

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And even the 150 Japanese Canadians continued to be denied the right to vote.

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There are important working class story is related to the fight for justice on the coast and two of the people that we do mention are Roy MA and Darshan Singh Sangha atheists who became working class leaders, but have seldom gained the attention that they might have.

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They both became organizers for the International woodworkers of America who are on Vancouver Island, and they organized in the lumber mills and in the forests of Vancouver Island. And in 1943 4445, they were able with the IWA, to put an end to the two tiered wage system in the forest and in the lumber mills, and Dean nominal wage equality equality for First Nations and Asian Canadians at that time.

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There were lots of Asian Canadian First Nation workers who joined the general strike in

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in 1919.

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There is a labor journal the British Columbia Federation has remarked that in 1918, that if they could be as assured of some of the married white workers as they are of the Chinese, there would be no difficulty in enforcing union conditions throughout the jurisdiction. But at bat it's a site full of Gods

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you okay.

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The Chinese labor union was formed in 1918. And Japanese and Chinese workers join Wait Wait workers at a strike at Swanson Bay in 1920. This led to the formation of the Japanese labor union, the published a union paper rolled Oshiomhole labor weekly. Unfortunately, the Vancouver trades and labor Congress refused to allow the Japanese labor union to affiliate

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we need to commemorate people activists like exorcism in Telesco. Tamara, who stood up to the bosses in the Japanese Canadian community and founded a left wing newspaper, now largely erased from any mainstream account of labor history.

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The narrative of Asians strikebreakers has also had the effect of erasing their sacral sacrifices in the world of mining, Cumberland for example, it was Asian Canadians who paid the price in the mining disaster at the dungeoneer mind.

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In 1901, there was a an explosion in number six mine that left 64 deaths of the 64 Dead 35 were Chinese miners mine were Japanese and 20 were European miners.

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In the 19 throught 1903 explosion, and number six mine there were 15 Dead was all Chinese miners.

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In the number four mine disaster of 1922 there were 18 who died, including mine Chinese six Japanese and three weights, number for mine in 1923 35 Dead of whom

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19 were Chinese, 14, were white, and there was one Japanese Canadian.

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So the story of the Asian ladies who fought for justice is one that goes into working class history, as well as social history, the history of civil rights. These are stories that we do need to recall and I hope this project has begun to really make that point. One of our partner museums has been the Nanaimo Museum. Their work has helped bring alive the struggle for justice of Chinese Canadian women such as Anna Fong, Dickman and emoji Lim particularly brought this story to our attention. It's an incredible story of perseverance in the face of adversity. Most professional schools in British Columbia had a color bar before the war. This included nursing, teaching law, medicine and many others.

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And a phone Dickman, who is the daughter of Reverend Fung Dickman and his wife Jenny was born in Vancouver but moved to Vancouver Island, and

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where her father was a preacher in 1890s.

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He, the the Reverend Dickmann work to dispel negative stereotypes about Chinese Canadians, including the supposes assertions of opium use and gambling. Those things did exist, but they were largely exaggerated. Anna had been born in 1906, but studied nursing in Nanaimo in 1926 and became a practical nurse of the Nanaimo General Hospital. She was later rejected from for registered nurses training programs in British Columbia.

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She wanted to go on from being a practical nurse to a registered nurse and was unable to get into this into the schools.

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That awarded the registered nurse certification.

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She was barred because she was Chinese Canadian, but she persevered and found a way around the color bar. In 1931. She obtained RN credentials at King's dollar Hospital in Duncan, and became the first Chinese Canadian RN in the province, province yet outside of the Nymo. Her story is largely unknown.

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This year is the 75th anniversary of the uprooting of Japanese Canadians from the coast. This wrongdoing was acknowledged by the federal government in 1980 in 1980, and I salute the verticalmy family and the Japanese garden society for the amazing work they have done

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it to bring alive the story of Japanese Canadians on Saltspring and now with their marvelous charcoal kiln project on the Gulf Islands as a whole. One of the survivors of the uprooting that we talked about was a young woman. Aiko had me, born in Victoria, she was a gifted poet and writer. This poem written before the war, expressed the deep conflict that the second generation faced in trying to fit in to white society. And this quote the poem, Mama, most people are staring so please don't use the Ohashi.

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Last year chopsticks

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and why didn't you bring the sandwiches instead of those of sushi?

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Of course, Mama, I love them. But don't you see for picnic T. Mama, I wish you'd make sis stop eating with her Ohashi? No Mum, I don't feel very hungry now. I guess I don't like sushi.

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This poem captures the tone and the conflict that many of the second generation felt in trying to fit into the dominant society. However April had me was also a warrior. And when she was uprooted with everyone else and put in to the Hastings barns,

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she fought back. I won't go into the details. But the stories of her actions in the face of RCMP officers who were being very aggressive, is one that is well known now, through the work of miracle develop.

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We're proud to bring back to the life back to life the story of this woman warrior and poet, but the work related to that has just begun. The uprooting of Japanese Canadians in 1942 was so effective and extreme that even today it is difficult to find out what happened to many who were dispossessed.

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Those of you here on Saltspring Island, have been fortunate to have the Motor Company finally living among you.

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Now, those of you who know rose or Mary

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may have felt the sharp edge of their determination that the stories and

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Japanese Canadians and the community here on Saltspring not be forgotten.

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But what you might not realize is how unique their story is. There were over 3000 Daphnis Canadian living on the islands at the time of the uprooting,

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but most of them never returned.

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It was the greatest dispossession in Canadian history after that of First Nations. It was in fact, a case of ethnic cleansing.

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Our project has discovered that of the 3000 people uprooted on the islands, only a few dozen families ever returned. There were two clusters who came back. One was in the UK Alberni area where Canada packers offered support for fishers

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to build new boats and to fish for Canada packers and another. Foster was in the potty Duncan area, where Mayo Singh offering jobs to a number of families. But even then, only about 100 people returned to the island that's less than 4% of the original population.

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To give you a sense of the implication of that, in the United States, where the uprooting also took place, over 60% of those who had been uprooted, returned to their homes on the coast. Yet, on the islands, less than 4% ever returned.

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We need to think seriously about what that statistic represents.

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And in a sense, that is what makes the Murakami family story so unique. They returned to Saltspring in 1954, despite the hostility that continued. And ever since I've been fighting for justice, Brian Smallshaw. We'll be talking about this next week. But let me just say that I've heard the Murakami family and others are hoping to change the name of Sunset drive to you as happy drive. And I hope you will support them in that question. And I believe there's a petition circulating, calling for that to happen. And so on that note, thank you very much for your patience. I think they've stuck to my timelines. And I'm happy to open up for questions.

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Difference between California belief and separate properties were not sold in California.

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That's correct. There is not a whole scale dispossession of Japanese can be a Japanese Americans. So their properties, some loss of property is because of a failure to pay taxes. So there were a number of homes that were lost. But in general, there was not a general dispossession, which happened in on the coast. And, you know, there were 1000s of properties, including

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the motor, Tommy family property, the USRP property. And there's a project now at the University of Victoria called landscapes of injustice, which is tracking and documenting all of the properties that were taken from Japanese Canadians and never returned.

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Why did the chief go to China? And how did he get there? The chief, uh, we don't know for sure. There's no records, and even oral histories are not clear. But one of the things that, you know, has struck me as I've gone through many of the diaries and, and stories

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of people who were traveling throughout the Pacific is that people who lived on the Pacific tended to be travelers. So on this coast, right, there was a whole network of trading network from Alaska down to Portland, right amongst First Nations, right. And the whaling tradition on the coast of the island, was very strong as well. And so, first nations were used to going out into the ocean. And so when they went to China on board, John Mears vote are they returned on John Muir's boat and they went over on an earlier boat that arrived, I forgotten the name of the boat. And so they traveled traveled on the British boats. But both in the case of kala then there is Hawaiians who went on these who got passage on these European vessels as well. They went with them to China. And in the case of Kamikaze, he stayed there for a year. Why did he stay for a year? It's not clear and perhaps it was because he couldn't get back easily. But he obviously learned Chinese and so began to learn about China's culture while he was there. So we don't know the answer to many of those questions. We hope that on the show

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Line aside, we think you get a better idea of what's been what went on through the records that might exist there. But we're still working on that

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Hastings Barnes and can you speak a little to the

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environment there?

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Well, the National Association Japanese Canadians, along with the Nikkei Museum and other groups in Vancouver have been doing a project. And there was recently a play that was performed in the barns, the barns were commandeered by the RCMP and by provincial and federal officials, to you know, house people.

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You know, in the period before they were taken outside of the coastal area. So people like most of the people on Vancouver Island and the Gulf Islands, were forced to leave by April, and they were put in the barns, the conditions were deplorable. It was like where it was basically the smell of urine of horse urine, straw. It was the conditions were really and every all of those people, and the people who survived that experience remembered the conditions as being deplorable. So what they've done is done a lot of work of the Japanese Canadian community spent a lot of work to make sure that the Hastings Park barns, where they were, you know, taken.

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They are now signed and have descriptions about what happened. And so there are now historical markers, at least, to explain what these places were used for, in the case of the Japanese Canadian upgrading. So that's an ongoing work, there was recently a play performed. And I think there's a move to bring that play to Victoria, and perhaps it could come to to Saltspring Island as well, that tells the story of the barns and what people face there.

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Other questions? I wondered if you haven't mentioned the Hawaiians? Was that? Is that not part of the study? Yes, we are tracking the Hawaiians to some extent, our Ma,

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there was this Hawaiian chief Cayenne, who actually came to you o'clock, and was on board the first European signing style vessel ever built on the coast. That vessel, the Northwest America was launched in Newport in 1780 87. And Kiana was on board when it was actually launched into the water. And there's a wonderful graphic portrayal of him. And so there were also others who were on John Mayer, ship other Hawaiians. But again, their story has been lost. There is a wonderful book by David Chang, about the sojourning, or the, you know, the Trans Pacific travels of Hawaiians, and how that relates to their seafaring tradition. So we're looking at it a bit, and we're looking at it in terms of the story of

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the wines that arrived on the coast. But again, the more we probe these things, the more the project expands, and it just like, it's we're really just beginning to look into some of these questions. And Jean Varma and others have done quite a bit of work on this as well. That's really formed the basis for you know, beginning to understand what I understood from Jean barman's book that was co authored with.

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I've forgotten the name of her co author, but that book documents how the first mill and now Bernie was staff by Hawaiians, the lumber workers were Hawaiians. And this was like around 1860 6162. And they were actually temporary workers, they came and they worked for six months, and then went back to white and they came back the following year, not all but the names are sort of, you know, you can you can compare the lists and see the names of people who went back and forth. And so yeah, that those stories are others that need a much more exposure than they've had up until now. So

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yeah, I just wanted to add extra information because if you're interested in the uprooting the Kinsey of hats, I know it's been done a number of times, they have an E k Museum in truth bus tour. 2013. You know, I'm not saying that I know lots more I know more than the average citizen. And I've heard lots, so it's really well worth waiting for the five day tour. Like even when you're on the bus, they're giving information and then you actually go to all the places like you don't recognize the big places that you don't recognize, or you're not aware of all the little places that Japanese Canadians were forced to live in under what conditions

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mind boggling,

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very much worth participating.

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So check to make a museum website. And I wanted to make the comment also that up to besides the displacement or the dispossession, that

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the government gave Japanese Canadians, two choices, go west, go east of the Rockies, or be repatriated to Japan. So doesn't give you a lot of options to quote unquote, return home.

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Thanks very much.

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I was quite interested in what you said about the nerves of being discriminate and nurtured, discriminated, and never heard of that before. I'd be really interested in finding out your resources that you do, mainly because I am a nerd, right? Absolutely. old and decrepit now. But anyhow, the thing is that I normally taught at the UBC School of Nursing for over 20 years, but I, I also became the Director of Nursing at the UBC Health Science Center hospital before I retired. So I would like to write out write up about the discrimination of nurses so long ago and put it in the nursing journal.

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So imaging, you know, I'm sure can help to introduce you to the materials at the Nanaimo Museum, they have a collection of Anna Fong Dickens

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personal effects, the record book for the Keemstar hospital,

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I seem to recall that there was a little more in some type of nursing newsletter, because that's one of the resources that I had seen, you know, I

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can't cite specifically for you.

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So in some cases, people, you know, Asian Canadians or First Nations somehow got into these services before the war before World War Two, they got into some of these schools. So for instance, there were Japanese American, young women who got into a normal school and graduated as teachers, but then they couldn't get jobs. And there was only one Hyodo Shimizu who got a job in stevenston. Because nobody wants to teach the Japanese Canadian kids so they hired her. But nobody else even if they had teachers credentials, could get a job teaching in the province.

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The history is actually found that because it was formed.

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So if you look like in school, right?

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You only know that she's pulling from China in the violence charge on location. Because if you just hear the name, and you would make the assumption that she was

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controlling European accent, but I don't know whether that had any factor in how she initially got in because she just got a phone

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call

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says that the voters list was better to remove names because they only mean nationalities.

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That's the

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1890 census. And it was a Victoria. So I look at the Johnson street be two more, and I counted every day on those sheets. So they were 44 sheets.

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We're

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gonna try her. So they they removed those, they did not acknowledge the names. And just I just came back from a symposium and in Toronto, and I was with one of my former students, and she said, Oh, my great grandparents are in the 1891 census. And he said that she would incur the famine is important. And it had their names. And then

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one day, or one black of day, China, and that was

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so so they purposely did not acknowledge Chinese in Victoria, I looked at the narrow senses, they have names. So Victoria was the capital. They were making a point by making the nameless I actually got the paper in recent studies right now. And I talking about navy. This is part of it. Like if you are not maybe you're not real when they first nations

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that were first nations as the majority of them were nameless, or it would be something like Indian Joe even married, but and that anybody was Japanese definitely did talk about attachment. That's the picture.

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I heard that was similar for my

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results.

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I'm

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not Japanese. When white people pull back 16

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virtual

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doll was a prisoner of war, when he said were dumped off from Churchill minds over. If you go back to all the records, my sister, my daughter, now we're doing more. Yes, it was got the name. And the wife was always just Indian. The same thing you know?

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Toba wagon just all

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right. Yeah, it's a it's interesting. I mean, unfortunately, my wife, she wasn't alone. Within the last few years, my guards really found a lobby. Sure. My wife knew that it worked.

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Shall we take why not? Not trying to discriminate, but

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to protect my daughter? You got records going way back?

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To the 1600s? No. On top of that.

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It's just discrimination. Now. No, it was systemic. And the challenge today is that the discrimination is less overt, in some cases, in some cases, still getting very overt like in denying

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the land claims of First Nations. But in other cases, it's much more sort of underground and informal ways of discrimination, glass ceilings, that exist for women, they also exist for people of color. And we see that inside the university where I work, where the number of people who are not European it does not represent is not the number that represents how many, you know, people should have those jobs. And, you know, racism continues. And we've just had a case, this fall semester of racist leaflets, being discredited being distributed at the University of Victoria. Social media campaigns against First Nations. And so these ongoing struggles and, you know, the systemic racism, and that system that existed, continues to exist in informal ways, and in more obvious ways, as well. And I really want to congratulate Brian and the folks who produce these two particular posters that give voice to local content that we weren't able to include, given the limited space that we have. But the tremendous work that was done very quickly, to get these ready. And I'm so pleased to see the welcome story up here. And I don't know, Joe, if you want to tell us anything about what's been going on recently, in terms of, you know, indigenous sort of resurgence, it'd be

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wonderful, but I don't want to put you on the spot.

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There's no further questions. That'd be great.

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We have a couple of grants happening this winter that was working on

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one of the signage grants, gonna walk,

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installing signage in the spring, hopefully of 2018 visitors are walking down there. Just tell me a bit more the history of replays from my couch, prescriber

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was helped me in language and stories as well. And we did get funding for a big canoe. So we're hoping to secure Carver tree, big cedar log for that and carve a big canoe over the winter and into the spring. And that's going to be part of our

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social enterprise that we've undertaken. We might move to the guiding commuters, that type of thing. raise funds for a youth camp.

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We've been doing lots of different things for school groups

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over the last several years, and we've been we have spotted the Saturday market as well that the United Church reconciliation group. Let me right.

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Yeah, so Tom has been there almost every Saturday, volunteering his time and, and others to help us fundraise. We have a few Christmas crafters will have t shirts with their project logo on the T shirts and

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reusable bags with the outline map of Saltspring in our convenient place names on those as well. So

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let's give you an idea of some of the things that we've been up to and also just wanted to acknowledge Ron Pender and his organization

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for getting us started and about

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To the ground in the first couple of years.

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Lots of others in the room that contribute big and small ways. I don't know if there's any questions or anything else that you are curious about that we can maybe see if there's questions on the floor? I?

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Yes.

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No, this work? Do you have any theories on racism, and particularly white supremacy.

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I don't have any personal theories. I mean, I have personal experiences, I found out for instance, and doing my own family research, that my grandfather was a close ally, to the liberal Member of Parliament for Langley, who was very

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instrumental in in promoting the uprooting of Japanese Canadians. So my grandfather, you know, had this direct, you know, relationship with the Liberal Party at the time. And so, you know, it's a very personal thing. You know, I didn't I, my grandfather died when I was one year old. So I never knew him, really, but a, you know, the story of what happened and how my grandparents got their farm. And, you know, they were not rich people. I mean, my grandmother actually raised me for a number of years. They were not rich at all, they were just ordinary folks. But they were richer than First Nations. And the reason they were richer, was because of my grandfather's political connections. He got a job as the liquor agent in Langley, and then in qualicum. And so you know, he, he did well, I wasn't rich. But he, you know, did well when first nations were suffering. And so that is my own personal story about what white supremacy is sort of like, that's how the system worked. There is lots of theories about white supremacy, and questions related to it. But we are sort of running out of time. And I don't want to be known as the professor who couldn't stop talking.

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But it certainly will give Well, I want to say one thing, and then imaging one to say something and Brian, but I just wanted to recognize Frank Newman, who I didn't see at the beginning of the talk. Frank has done so much here at the archives, I wanted to recognize his work. And as I said earlier, we really learned he was at the first meeting in 2014, when we first conceived of this project, and I wanted to thank Frank for all his contributions.

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Medina, and then Brian, and then we'll give it to Julian to wrap up. You asked about white supremacy, and I actually teach about racism.

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I'm an anthropologist by training. So one of the things that has developed

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there's something called linear evolution. So, you know, I'm not gonna give you names. But this is this notion of, you know, linear evolution, also known as social organization, where this there's this sense of hierarchy.

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Or who's doing studies, it's Europeans, and they rank Europeans as the other people in the lower right. So that has been used to painting.

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Well, that's, that's a very short

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set up, I think you'd be evening specifically, that talk about it.

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Thanks so much, Brian, I guess, theorizing

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white supremacy, you might mention that Tim Stanley writes, has written an excellent book called contesting white Smith supremacy and he will be speaking next week on the 2020

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for the new version Memorial.

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For anybody who wants to go over Victoria.

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Yes, well, I want to sell my book here.

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I wrote a book about our family and we're Academy family.

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Here, but

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I don't get any profit from it. All the money that I earn goes to the upkeep of the Japanese garden across from artspring. And it also tells a little bit about the history of the Japanese Canadian people who lived here before we were thrown off the island. So you can buy that.

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Okay, thanks very much.

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Well, thank you very much for coming. I'm absolutely delighted with this

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Your question I used to teach social psychology and one of the topics we have is prejudice. So I could talk for two hours, but I won't and but what I wanted to say actually was, for me this sort of fulfills circle in terms of you know, I all of my life I have

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thought that prejudice was one of the problems of humanity and to do that academically and then to come here and be part of this it's really very rewarding for me. So thank you very much for coming and being part of it

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so don't

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next week today, we have Mary Kidd garwa Roses sister coming and talking on the 28th as well. So we've got number of talks look it up on the module

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thank you for coming

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all the cultural implications Yeah.

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Come to bear. Yes. Go I'm just trying to finish

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already.

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So the the intense the temporary weakness? Of course not to just focus on the European

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and also

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obviously

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learning experience Yeah.

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Nice.

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Workshop, remember, there?

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Something together? Yes. Yes, we're gonna work together and you

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know, she knows for

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sure.

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John, nice to meet you.

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Another, I'm an ex Prof. But I am not a button on this sort of thing.

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But a few here and there.

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But you know, I don't want to complicate things too much. But of course, just to add another layer of complexity and brand is the whole of

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black

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immigration. Yeah. And of course, one of the ironies is that they, I guess, the group that came up from San Francisco 24 Odd family came up from San Francisco, got given indigenous land by James Douglas. And

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unfortunately, we don't we have very few representatives, those families left on the island, although several

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party music have

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still on land here. But they are mostly down in

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California. Yeah. But I've always had this suspicion.

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When you look at the number of people from that community who were here, and how relatively rapidly the left the island. So many of us have always had this suspicion that a lot of them were pushed out.

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European colonists yet so I mean, Dean Douglas,

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was the one who signed the initial treaties with First Nations. He welcomed the African Americans and so he was a bit of a one off, what happens after he leaves is that things become much tougher, and what I call racial hardening. So the same color bar was erected against African Americans in 1912. I believe that it was sort of finally finalized and

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basically, on American

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soil and that's been documented.

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A number of those travels.

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In either a wetland boundary that things were less threatening, when they left went back down when Coach, or

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like,

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was willing to start

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We went over and this

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was was murdered in a coal country over I wonder

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But yeah there's there's a whole story in there in your head

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up

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up

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