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The Hedger Family

Laurie Hedger and Marsh Heinekey

Laurie Hedger

Laurie Hedger and Marsh Heinekey present the history of the Hedger family.

Accession Number presentation for the Historical Society
Date February 8. 2012 Location Central Hall
Media digital recording Audio CD




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in my one year does Duncan hamper

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yeah I was only gone for two years

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put this on here are you a year ahead of me every quarter two years ahead

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of me yeah your mother was my teacher

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well I had her for teacher

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Are you kidding I got her

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she's one of my favorite teachers. Oh she was great.

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I thought she said to him

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I was getting away

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she was faster than everybody

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we used to do garbage in

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the last few years probably not

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so I was

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just wondering

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your mother was a good?

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oh my gosh picks me up right off the bat that's good. Okay, now

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I'm gonna tell them that that is the record of

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the baby take my clothes off outside to the bathroom for at least an hour and a half

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usually a five minute business meeting ahead of time.

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Then we'll get introduced after that point

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so I'm not actually hooked up anywhere is it?

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Good to move around?

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You don't have to worry I have. Okay, so I'll have this this one and I'll be speaking wireless microphones around we can both walk around the whole fine you don't have to worry about

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that good thing or you can just one thing to worry about way better than I thought.

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See what you think

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like to refer to your granddad Tony versus the intermediate?

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Speaker 4 7:15
typically the other one. No, so. Okay, so where are we going to save this? We're going to talk about great grandfather.

Speaker 5 7:26
I thought at the end, we're gonna go through the whole thing with you and the pictures and he Yeah, I'm gonna keep asking you to Yeah. And so.

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So when it comes to

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James, senior field senior as we sell them because they can easily convert the canoes. So

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yeah. And

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and how I'll just have to say in their story about your great grandfather. Your great, great, great.

Speaker 5 7:59
Well, first, James James is the great great Okay, your great grandfather

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retention for second place books out our membership versus at the back now. So if you could please go back and sign in iser as a member or a guest. And she's also taking memberships if you care to join the society. Thanks.

Speaker 4 8:35
That's something to say about the moving of this house. And then you talk about that. Your dog peed on the pitcher's mound. Great, but it's only just as a pro. Yeah. So that's a cool story on one time. And if it's going a little too quickly, because

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I'll let it go.

Speaker 4 8:55
Could you have this house assailants? Barn building, the main thing is to get kind of worked in any get into the space. Just carry on. Yeah. But you were back and forth and back and forth. If I think you do something interesting. Anyway, just save up and fix wastage.

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Yeah, I did.

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Yeah, that will keep us like a compensation. And

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the first one I've got written in there that I've got a contract offered to me in the Dominican Republic market.

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And you just use the match to

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make money. And then they bank money here and gave you the service down there. Because I was a worker. But this lawyer says geez, Laurie, I can get you down there. And I didn't go because we sold all our stock and everything and got ready to go. And we were then refer to a catching a plane. And the British government given their independence, they said Canadians have the problem they were having it was a lot of women down there. 75% women 45% Men and the loggers are just gonna get

Speaker 4 10:22
a company's stories which would be to be sent in the same way to get into his recycling. The last picture is a recycling. Yeah. So that would be the time to talk about how do you comfortable with

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sorry, with the Dominican Republic on which

Speaker 4 10:39
to hear you've got to purchase 11 acres. With in this is how you got into the garbage?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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So when we've been in recycling, that would be the time to say that, or do you want to say what is this piece here?

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I'm just wondering if we could this thing about me mixed up already. Even. It'll just be a little.

Speaker 5 11:18
I figure that we'll talk about fixtures as they come up. You will sort of guide and do that. And then I'll say this thing at the end. And I don't know what you think you think.

Speaker 4 11:32
I think it's all good stuff. But you know, we get to John and I haven't really given here anywhere.

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No, I don't have. We don't turn around

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and say, you know, you had a great relationship with John Korea. It's just

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customer here. Yeah. And he was a horse longer, you know, when he was around. Yeah, he was a horse logger as Nancy. No, she's, I know she would not have a phone. She's worried that she's gonna get worried and that's gonna bother me.

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I will check to see your fingerprint. You won't even see her in the crowd.

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Okay, you gotta be there, Heidi. No, no, no, but I mean

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that actually, when I get to speak, I don't even see the crowd.

Speaker 5 12:30
I've only tried this once before was a total flop. Preparation.

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You probably didn't put as much preparation.

Speaker 5 12:40
No, I just wrote notes. And this I figure I could read if I had to.

Speaker 5 13:10
was running out of time, but hurry up towards the end. There's there's so much more to say. To the chapters. Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, when we had those new hours, I started working on those suckers that Thursday. And then Friday, a whole bunch of friends came up and they were peeling potatoes and carrots and women were all having fun on the guys. We were getting rocks off the beach, oysters and stuff like that together, plus all of all the foreign shores. So it was a good time

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to keep coming, could we close the door?

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could see when I start

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signing up. I haven't seen Duncan since going back

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because he's had quite a career

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McWhirter every time I saw me Give me a bad time about taking care of things.

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Sit on this side because that's the ear that works. If I get on the wrong side, I don't hear anything. So what are they going to do first? yeah

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they had a business meeting

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yeah I was that writing everything is a con nowadays this even you know when you when you buy a bag of

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crackers it's full

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until you tear the top of like this quarter and the bottom of it sometimes

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grants everything it's amazing I know that one of the things I would like to talk more about was that in the beginning everybody traded labor

Speaker 5 16:09
and everybody if they were looking over the fences to see what they could do to help the other guy you know

Speaker 5 16:20
and that was bond snow but I did with the with the blacks on the big dip down in there

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yeah there you go

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back then it was going to be great food tractor their whole family here we are gets

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to own the property as you go down the big dip and up the other side on the left hand side going so

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no no no that's not the one I mean coming from Grandma Jones to Ganges and you turn when it was a call

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ship shouldn't I don't even know the name of the road

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from Walker so you're coming from Walker so you go up the hill then before you get the start just place to turn left and that goes to Ganges

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then you go down that steep hill Yeah, is that what it's called? I just tried to because there was I was doing

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young I can't remember for

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sure. Parking tickets. Yes, you do. Thank you

Speaker 5 18:42
Oh, yeah, I remember that. But that's quite a ways along but I was there. How you doing your Hey, hey, hi.

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Good to see you man.

Speaker 5 18:57
You got some pictures of your dad here Yeah, I was there and there was half a dozen blacks working there and me and I'm you know five, five years old six years old and there was some jokes going back I can't remember exactly what they were asking me questions and teasing John you know

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are you driving for waste

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no sir

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yeah, yeah. Oh wait right here.

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Well that's a bad

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boy they will so where's the stop sign coming from? North End

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like there's one out here

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Yeah, well now they put one on that yeah I'll be darned. So it's a four way stop now

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can happen yesterday I was at when I was there finishing your place and I go home did you stop

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what's up nice crowd out here nice crowd out too many get out

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I wouldn't be prepared next year if I was alive that's what you're worried about. But then I hear he had to get you prepared so he said you're ready to go Yeah. Better than four years four years ago I've been preparing this year

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got it so amazing to see Duncan just because in my mind that kind of look like he did when he was going to school

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told us a story about but when I first met him

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I brought you some gravid seeds from the tree holy smokes they're the best but I'll take one oh no, no, no the whole box. Oh okay, thank you very much. They are those of you know on the left that

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some of them are built some of them were put there probably 1870s 60s And some of them were put in by setting grants you might

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make your grandfather's door somehow

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Yeah, yeah, they were just yeah so thanks.

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Speaker 7 24:09
are welcome. Good luck. Welcome to the February meeting of the Historical Society. We don't have a lot of business to conduct but we do have a little financial statements posted on the sidewall for you. If you're interested and we do need some executive members hours lateness appear about now if you're late to server executive, it's not a lot of work but it does impair some time. Like we need to Labor's for this year. So if you're interested, put your name forward and see if you get elected. At the AGM and that is our main legal. Also as this time of year they are supposed to ask for calls for Honorary Life membership association or society. Three men isn't good standing for nominate people who are contributing members of the society. There's a list of the back of the people who are life members, your happy life members. Association and our stand up as we speak. News, which is one of the larger numbers we've had for a few years. So thank you to those who joined them today. We have Nancy vape and Joe

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arranging that are having a tea and coffee ready at the end, I will turn the meeting over to nourish. Clearly he is put this program together this afternoon for 200 days. And I asked him during this topic. We'll start off with a merciless face now we'll start

Speaker 7 26:07
with a kind of trying to get in for a few years, and then finally again, and we're looking for motion technologies.

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Well, good afternoon, everybody. Can you hear me? Okay. Good afternoon, everybody.

Speaker 7 26:50
Okay, Lori and I have put together this presentation. And there's a couple of things I want to say before we get into it. Most of all, Lori and I are not brothers. But we're the oldest living individuals of our generation. And there was nobody to Let us settle here. And it's a particular position that we're not going to relinquish hope around stick around throughout this presentation. And why that's important is hopefully the responsibility of being in that position along the way, that our founding families and the families who have got race on this island, there's a history there that's not was folklore rather than real history. And I think we have an obligation to try and present that to our community brothers and sisters to see how it was that we lived through that particular time. And it wasn't easy on this particular presentation. emphasize how difficult it was to actually stay on Salisbury and try and work and live, get educated, raise families. So that's, that's, that's the purpose of most of these presentations. So Lori's family are seven generations, which goes back to

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Speaker 7 28:31
Now we start with, with James, who was the first one that came there. His son, William senior, William Jr, Mary's mother, Agnes, who was a little crabby. And then Laurie himself, who was a combination of the requirements or the hedgerows. And then those son Tony, who's also heard today, and this is where the seven generations aren't. And because we're going to have a test at the end of this presentation, I thought that it might be better if you saw it in some sort of format. This is taken from one of the largest genuine genealogies worksheet that I have seen since I've been here. And I took our slice through it to try and explain this part. There's so many families that are related to the to this particular spreadsheet, that period is impossible for us to make any sense to it.

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Just arrived

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Okay, so it starts off with James

Speaker 7 29:43
just starts off with James up here, married Mary. Then William was born and there's a big story about this that some of you will be shocked by what we'll talk about a little later buried Maya glia Jr. Marco. Marco actually it's our sparker I guess is our school that very very hedger his father Katie, who my team 22. Laurie has two siblings, Tony

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Taylor. So that's

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how you got seven generations already here

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I got to get some was here.

Speaker 7 30:32
Okay, so we started off with James James Smith fabulous credit guy actually

Speaker 1 30:39
say something about James. James

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James McFadden. No,

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no, no, he's got a mic.

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In we can we get it turned on please?

Speaker 8 31:10
Okay. James McFadden had come across Canada with the Hudson's Bay Company. He'd been married once, and his wife passed away. And he had gone up to Bella Bella, and was doing things up there for the Hudson's Bay Company. And he got married again. And then within a year or two, he was coming back down towards Saltspring. He had two children from his first marriage in a canoe. And his wife gave birth to the first son on the way down. And it must I just can't even imagine coming down the coast than it could do huddling. This whole family that must have taken, I would say, a month or a month and a half, maybe two months to come down. So that was their story coming back to Salzburg.

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So this is the fellow that was born in the community.

Speaker 1 32:16
This is Bill's senior, May, Martha Rosman. And then his son, which is Bill Jr, which some of us remember a little bit by Alice Barker. And then the hedges arrived in 1922. And your grandfather, Laurie was a veteran of the First World War.

Speaker 8 32:45
That's right. He acquired was the money to get his property here to a thing called Soldier Settlement board. And they got the property up on women's road there which was previously owned by the groom's family. So

Speaker 1 33:04
Agnes McFadden and alum Hancher married and moved to the we're actually looked on the property as well when they first I want to show there's a little bit of history here, wanted to see where James McFadden landed on Salt Spring and started his his firm. So this is the property here's Fernwood wharf. So he's in here, the Samson's are in here. And the hedges were over here, which I'll bring out. That piece of property went right from saltwater all the way through to the tip of St. Mary's Lake. The Hatcher property, which was the winds property, and as outlined in the red was the full 160 acres originally, so it went all the way from the water all the way to the page road and put some dotted lines and the first piece to be subdivided was the loss along the water. It's kind of an interesting story. He made a whole bunch of money off that didn't.

Speaker 8 34:19
We cut off the bottom lot and then divided it into lots of servers with paid and the Real Estate Commission and taxes and whatnot. There's literally nothing out of it for the farmers that he was hoping to get over to get some money out of it to put into the farm. Property just didn't have the values that they do today.

Speaker 1 34:47
Or servers were paid a lot more than they were now. So this is an aerial photo taken of the property. This is a Marshall sharp picture taken and probably a about 1961 to 63 Whenever he was flying around taking pictures, and you can see it's a well developed farm. I believe this, this is the original home this the original barn was been modified, but this is where the barn was located. And we had built a piece of the barn here. That's the house there, Marie that's been homestead. That's the

Speaker 8 35:29
house that grandma and grandpa and the barn that was there, there was a barn almost identical to the one you're seeing there, right beside that one and that one was built by the groom's family.

Speaker 1 35:46
So then he got carried away with his bulldozer, and he kind of modified the property a little bit. And in 1971, this picture was taken. And he's put in a fairly large pond. And you can see it's now really well developed. We'll get into that in a few minutes. And then really this was your first house on the property over here on the top corner. Down in here, yeah, started off as a birdhouse but it actually got down on the ground here a little bit. Okay, we'll talk a little bit about the homesteading of this property. So who's this good looking gentleman here that stat suggests so this is Alan hedger and his horse just are probably knows more about the horse than he does about his dad. This was a picture that we dug up. This picture here shows a picnic. And this was people in the neighborhood drove to St. Mary's lake for picnic about 1925. So those Allen hedger, Valerie hedger, Lois hedger and Tony hedger and some of the Woods family got together for a picnic. And this this person at the bottom was Lois, and someone named child we don't know who this is, and some guy obviously going in the bathroom or something back there.

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Just a regular just a regular picnic.

Speaker 1 37:25
Wonder why St. Mary's Lake is where it is. So farming was a key part of he just think this was before I mean mechanization. To me, that looks like one hell of a lot of work. And this was Arthur making a living from his farm. Was he growing there? What was he growing?

Speaker 8 37:48
Vegetables, onions, grapes, did all the work there. Very often, he worked at Jesse Barnes during the day and then worked in his own garden in the evening.

Speaker 1 38:03
Do we have wheat is a wheat in the background there was previously he has no heavy wheat,

Speaker 8 38:10
or no, no, it was all vegetables and he had some sheep.

Speaker 1 38:17
Okay, so the barn wasn't obviously big enough. So they were roses barn was falling down, but they came and rebuilt it. So there's three guys, I think there's three guys on the roof here. You can recognize some quite clearly, Jesse, Jesse, Jesse barn. That might be might be a couple of guys out there. But there's a key thing here. When anybody was building a barn. There was some key people would always come together. And I remember when our barn was was built. Jesse Bond was one of the key guys he would always first of all, he was the first one to have a tractor and would come and build these barns for everybody. And you'd be surprised. These didn't take permits. They didn't take any inspection. They somebody got up in the morning whenever we got some logs and they got at it. And a couple of weeks later it was finished because the hay was coming in. We had a fall

Speaker 8 39:14
off the north end for our family that McFadden's and I think it was less than a week with all the neighbors that got together they had another house up laws and rules and regulations

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that we have now but they worked

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it was just work to it.

Speaker 1 39:41
This is an old picture how some of the modern cars of the day there's these are actually trucks they're hauling wheat in and there's a threshing machine in the back here and then this they're not sitting on clouds there actually is a barn where weather of putting the stuff into the thresher and putting it through the

Speaker 8 40:04
that's at a time when when gramps had the cows and he was selling milk to the Saltspring Salzburg, dairy free recruitment. Yeah. So he had some big fields in wheat and grain for the animals. So the threshing machine would go around from farm to farm. And quite often the people working there would come from the farm that had just been done. So everybody was helping everybody

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has a better picture the

Speaker 1 40:39
trucks have left and there's the threshing going on. And that's the other thing like Laurie said, the equipment was shared, nobody could afford to have all this equipment. And I'm not sure if it was this threshing machine. But there was another one that you will wonder why this thing ever ran a more had been an operation for at least three generations going around the island, usually pulled by horses from faux fur to North End and back all in a season. And then it would just sit until the next season. So here's the farming generations. You got this good looking guy here. The standing beside me doesn't look any different actually. That's the horse. I'm sorry. Your dad and your granddad and your mother. All right. The horse whisperer overs was for Yeah.

Speaker 8 41:35
Well, we came back we dad and I were logging over at Bowen Island, and developing a 200 acre subdivision. And we came back to help gramps get hay and and whatnot for the sheep. Visit

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John WIMS John winds

Speaker 8 41:56
Is the second marriage to my grandmother that I spent many many, many, many days and weekends. Visiting with them a lot of my summer holidays when I was young.

Unknown Speaker 42:11
So he taught D teach

Speaker 8 42:14
you all say he was very very good to me. wonderful memories. I made a trip to Ganges once a week with him he would go down and get groceries, grains or whatever for the animals. He had cars and ride down in that wagon to Ganges and back again. It's to hear the rocks underneath the steering wheels with the sound of the horses walking, had the horses fighting going down some of the steep hills because it was so hard to hold the wagon back. They could pull up the hill better than they could hold the weight back. So there would be a struggle in the fight with the team horses going down the hill and they were fine going up. So it was it was an experience smell the horses. Everything quiet. Forget it here

Speaker 1 43:21
think this picture was taken hopefully before Laurie was born, but might not be as hard to say because as a kid I remember him coming into Ganges with this horse and buggy and I learned my dad said if I didn't smarten up sometime he was gonna get me to go and live with John

Unknown Speaker 43:44
straight up right there.

Speaker 1 43:48
It was a novelty to see all the cars parked outside of moats and a team of horses and things like that. And that would have been in early 50s. Easy.

Speaker 8 43:58
Jimmy and Ben but not those those two before my time. It was a black horse heavy draft horse Brown and for the black man.

Speaker 1 44:14
So we're getting into logging now. Farming was kind of on the way out or difficult. So this is the modern day blogging truck. Great you'd like one of these have been

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Speaker 1 44:31
I don't even know where this looks like it's out for midway. Fernwood Wait, this

Unknown Speaker 44:37
I have no idea really. But your

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dad's in there. Your dad's first years of logging

Unknown Speaker 44:42
were with horses. Yeah, that's

Unknown Speaker 44:49
probably logging in MacFadden place

Speaker 1 44:56
okay, so these are some small trees around Saltspring About time and this is guy cutting down and out on the HITCHER following some trees. This wouldn't have been done with Christian Cove

Speaker 8 45:14
logging was with horses, Christian curl. And the person that he was working for was named Churchill. Who was related to Winston Churchill. In his tougher weather

Speaker 1 45:32
I probably didn't argue with guy calling him you say guy is this pitcher and this is Alan Alan. Alan was moves. Smaller guy but you know

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compared to Mr. Cunningham

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Speaker 1 45:53
and then on the McTavish side, this boat has some significance for some of us overwhelmed we used to hear about the patty Mac, this boat that okay you go and tell a story about this. This is interesting.

Speaker 8 46:07
That Blanc, Granddad Mac and he put throwing poles on it and fished for some time with it. And my bed after working at the airport with through the war collapsed from putting in too long hours and trying to make up for that going overseas was allowed to go over because of a heart problem. So they had to pull them off of working at the airports. He came back and recuperated and this boat was on the beach and they weren't using it anymore. So we patch it up and he went fishing. So it was in the family twice.

Unknown Speaker 46:49
And did he ever

Speaker 1 46:52
so the pitcher on the right there Larry Allen didn't catch that to the

Speaker 8 46:58
mom caught that fish will been fishing for days. And once again, they came in to sell the fish and follow up with the Packers. And while I was sleeping, and so mom was always putting a line out see if she could catch a ball caught or something. And pretty soon something got ahold of the line and pulled everything right clean out the side of the bed came out and said well you've lost it now I didn't tie it in good enough. And so mum got the binoculars out and he went back to bed. And she kept looking and looking and looking to see if anything came up because it was on a wooden team to wind up the fishing line on but pretty soon she saw this thing floating around out in the bay called bad and hope they're renting. That's what they got

Unknown Speaker 47:57
200 pounds

Speaker 8 47:58
200 something pounds. I can't remember 240 A think something like that. Just a separate.

Unknown Speaker 48:08
Okay, we get into the farmers market. What was the significance of Alan in the market?

Speaker 8 48:15
Mom started in the farmers market selling fish products, which she was buying from Sydney or a fisherman or wherever she could get them once a week. And then she got a job working on the floors and dad was farming again. And so he started parking down again. Geez. And that was the beginning of the Saturday market

Speaker 1 48:48
right right where it is today. Right? Centennial. So this was the garden that he was selling at the market. It was a

Unknown Speaker 48:59
by himself.

Unknown Speaker 49:01
And he was working for you at the same time he

Speaker 8 49:04
was swapping for me. I was putting in forestry roads. I was living up late catching but we were more towards the west coast and had been swapping for me for a couple of years. And one day we were having lunch. And that says do you think you could do without me? I was working for didn't want to hire a 65 year old man to start with. But I said well, I know damn well he'll be better than the young guys who got there. I have to wake them up out of the front seat to get them out to do what I will do when I need them. So dad worked for us for just over two years. And then he said when he says if you could do though he says I think I'll stay over at Salt Spring and play in the garden. Okay, so I came Home missed the kind of stuff he had growing. He would come home Friday night and then work all weekend and then come back up working with me during the week. Just zone believable. And I've worked in gardens I know what to say guys couldn't believe it.

Speaker 1 50:19
So here's Larry winsome and Lois Lori's two sisters. And I want to show this picture. Here's the babes in the woods. Here's Laurie here. Here's winsome. There's me and just the runt. Now combined, right here Collymore she has a laugh in her face is because this guy standing beside her. There's wild brown and a few others. Alan tois. And Leona Rowland was in here to somewhere today working on their Steve fortune. Very horrible. Of course, he was always clowning around. Then we go up to this one's when everybody wants justice grade 10.

Speaker 7 51:17
So here we got this good looking guy up here. Laurie

Speaker 1 51:22
Flores Hepburn, which was our teacher at the time, Duncan's brother wrote some here myself, Steve. Ian sharpen a few others here many Samsung Islanders, this was a great year. And then you're now looking at two vile seniors that are still in the Twitter their prime.

Unknown Speaker 51:50
Still having.

Speaker 1 51:55
Okay, Pete, I heard over this month or so that I've been spending time with Laurie. I've heard more stories about Pete. And I tried to get a picture of him. But he's had three peaks over the time is called repeat. So finally got the original one. That's why it's not all that clear. But you got to tell the stories.

Speaker 8 52:22
Well, we moved to a piece of property 600 acres. And he had sheep there. But he had a watchdog. He was an American Captain quality. So this watchdog a black Labrador had been trained not to let anybody on the property. So when we first got there, the first thing he did for me was I went out to get firewood for the stove. And he growled at me and let me get it. So I came into the house and said, I can't do it you have to do. So he got me off of that to start with. But he wasn't friendly to anybody. But he did lay outside and he just watched everything. He wasn't an indoor dog at all. But we started to make friends. I went out with him a few times. And he abandoned me when he got his own. But then we started to act as a team. And there was a bounty on raccoons. So every weekend I would I would leave home very often Saturday, Saturday morning and not come home until six or seven or eight o'clock at night. And human I would have half a dozen Khun tales. I had a hatchet with me, and a little tiny bottle of gas. And if they went up a tree, I would climb up the tree and chop them out of the tree. And then he would get them down below. If they went into a hole or a den like that then I would little explosion would go off and they would come out. But because of pee all over me from climbing the tree

Speaker 8 54:13
Yeah. I mean nowadays is that that's horrible, you know, but back then, there was a 50 cent body from the run gun club for raccoons. And he was so good that he would. There were times that I'd wake up in the morning and there'd be a couple of qun on the lawn that he had gone to get me during the night. So I was getting rich. So that was my first unfortunately, him and I really knew each other you didn't pay them. He just didn't need. He was almost like a wild dog. And the next people that got him took him into the house and had him in the house and I said that shouldn't be And the owner of the dog capital quali said that I was a traitor to my good friend. And that wasn't the right thing to do. But within a short period of time, he told the young fellas face all the pieces and had a heck of a time. Because he just wasn't meant to be inside. He was like a wild animal. But they didn't. They didn't do anything with him. And so the second time he did it, it was really, really sad. So that was very well done. Pete, here's the raccoon that did its job on me.

Speaker 1 55:42
You know, those boundaries, were the only spending money that any of us kids had at that time. And I couldn't I couldn't understand what I couldn't get too many coons it was because Larry got them all. And Tony Robbins, I'm close enough of this, you know, this is going to break us. Probably they go into extinction. In today's world, it'd be a society made form to try and protect them. But anyway. Okay, pigs, Florian pace, we have more or less putting this together over these pigs. We just put a collage here because it's not like a unit you've all seen pigs is listening to this guy talk about them very

Speaker 8 56:24
intelligent and beautiful animal really, as far as I'm concerned. This is when I came back. Gone, belly up loving. Some of it I did on Saltspring. And some of it I did the work from the island, but the ability to purchase timber evaporated with the new tree farm licenses. Before that a different logger could purchase a segment of timber and the forestry would give an estimate of the footage. And then they would be paid so much. board foot that was stopped when the timber was given to the bigger companies. So I came back to Salt Spring and I traded a black lab pup from my dog for six winter pigs from dog Simpson. And then I just got into farming just round up a mixed farm I was selling eggs, pork, about 200 But 400 sides a year or 200 pigs but 400 sides a year. People from Vancouver, Vancouver Island, the frigate that port they didn't want anything else. And I believe it was because the dirty job was done at home. They didn't know for one second what was going to happen. The only time I had complaints was when I hold the pigs to the slaughterhouse in Vancouver Island because I was getting heavier and heavier into bulldozing again. And it's the only time I had my pigs attack me was over there. There was I think there was 10 or a dozen of them to do. Then I got calls. One guy from Vancouver called up and he says I know what you've done. So what do you mean? He says you didn't do it yourself? I said I was right there when it happened? And he said no, he said somebody else did slaughtering and he says I can taste the meat. And he was an old farmer. So that was really something you know, the enzymes and the fuel and whatnot. That's what we get. Now when we eat meat. It's not the same.

Speaker 1 58:52
So the ones at the top are from the first time you So you did this twice and you you had a little holiday and then you came back and did some more pig farming.

Speaker 8 59:00
That's right. The second time I went into raising pigs. I had ad sales and I built farrowing barn and we were producing between 15 102,000 Pigs a year and shipping them to Vancouver and back hauling grain that was a different story from the way I did the first time. This was lots of work. Lots of animals. Okay,

Unknown Speaker 59:31
so is this your shoe tracking camper.

Speaker 8 59:41
When I went down the tube with the login I got a vague idea towards the end of the week about what I could do about it because I owed the bank $5,000 I think and I was going to lose my property and hosts so I called the hardware guys that and told them what was happening and would they come out and cut my lines for me? So they said Sure so they come roaring out right away cut the hardware lines telephone line. By Monday morning George Carnahan stated helped me back my lovin in underneath the house. By Monday noon the house was gone

Speaker 8 1:00:30
I called them up tell them the house was gone. This is what this is fire. What happened? A little bit. There was this horrible silence is Jim I can't remember his last name. Jim could be Yeah, the bank manager, Montreal. See he's got a memory. And maybe you tried to do this is none of this is true.

Speaker 8 1:01:10
So anyway, the idea was that the property was worth as much as what I owed and with or without the house. And so sure enough, it sold and they get their loan paid off and that wasn't in bed books anymore.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:28
And you got to house I hope we're still running through bed a little bit anymore.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:39
Just in case.

Speaker 1 1:01:44
You haven't got a house anymore, so you got to boot. So that's the story here.

Speaker 8 1:01:50
Put in a few more years again. Now this was earlier on. Actually just before I got married, and I ran a tumble called the Zero owned by pappelina. Wolfpack. There's probably people here that know will two

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Speaker 8 1:02:11
the site is far as I know, his father either skippable or it was named after him because he was acquitted famous Skipper. So when that cute little bulldozing that's working up above Lake Cowichan. And that particular job, dad just started with me and it was the greatest job for him. Because we were putting in 27 miles of forestry access. And a lot of it was on railroad grade that had grown up. And so it was pretty, pretty easy work but it was still a lot of mileage. And dad was always coming up jumping up on the cat with a handful abortion, said God Jesus is a wonderful thing eating what are they eating. And finally, after a few weeks, you can see a big smile and he says I know what it is those tails.

Speaker 1 1:03:13
So this is Laurie here and this is his dad and the dog is this arrangement on the top here.

Speaker 8 1:03:21
Chum Carly Carly logging device, this wrenching system that went over the top and over the front blade. So when you're building grade, you're always coming into logs at the front end. So you didn't have to turn the cat around because most cats have the winch on the back. So you can go straight in and then pull go straight back with it without turning the machine around.

Speaker 1 1:03:48
So you will kind of big time so we put a collage of equipment when he was working increase point and give you some idea of all the different pieces of equipment that he had at that time.

Speaker 8 1:04:02
It is it's amazing to look through the whole thing. Because when I was a kid, there was a little cause we went across the north store there and the gas station and fuel tanks and work and they got a dredger in actually worked on that a little bit not the drill to itself but spreading the breakwater and so then they had the where the Farmers Market is all of that is filled. So this is where we had moved to shop there and moved it over to the marina harbors harbors in Marina and also did all the excavating for the buildings and servicing underground servicing.

Speaker 1 1:04:56
There was a story that you told me yesterday that I found kind of interesting About your entrepreneurial skills. And that's when you had a cow, somebody gave you a calf. And

Speaker 8 1:05:09
I was given a calf by grandma John, when I was six years old. So it had a calf. By the time I was eight years old. And anytime I visited, I helped them milk the cows and so on. So now I have my own cow. When we did move, we had moved these cows that wasn't too happy with that. But at one stage we were living in, I think it was called a children's phone. It was the one of the first preschool. And so slim seven, who was the best driver then would pick us up, what had the note from my count, hit stop at the different places that I've put them before, which is quite an endeavor for just I was maybe 10 years old or 11 years old, then to get up early in the morning, and do all of that. But it was fun, though. I loved it.

Speaker 1 1:06:13
Of course, my family was in the loop business in a big way. And of course, our business dropped off there for a couple of years while he was delivering from the school.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:25
The rest of it was always getting inertia

Unknown Speaker 1:06:36
into the chapter and recycling.

Speaker 8 1:06:40
The local dump was closed down. We started to get many, many calls to do garbage pits on private property. And we had two backhoes then, and a couple of excavators. So we were pretty noble. And at first I didn't realize what had happened. But within a short period of time, it was because it caused the dump down. And so I call the CRD I talked to norm once about it, because I did have a garbage truck that wasn't actually running. And I very often make gravel trucks out of and so called the CRD to see what they were gonna do about it. And they said they'll send somebody over from Vancouver Island. And if you don't smarten up over there. He says we'll take it over. And I said, well, not on my watch. We can take care of all so I talked to and I just forget my mechanics name then. But no, it wasn't that was before I'm Frenchmen wild man. But anyway, he was bugging me about the truck doing something with it anyway. So I said, Do you think you'd get a grown in a couple of days? Sure. So he went up there and he had it going the same day. And so we had a truck and Ganges that was the first truck and Ganges. All I thought it was going to be I promised I would do a promise to CRD, I would do it for six months. And to make sure that nobody had to drive all the way to Heartland with waste in their trunk of their car pickups because some people were going and helping their neighbors out by hauling it to Heartland themselves. So that gave them an alternative. And in six months, they begged me not to stop and they said well then I'll do it for another six months, and then by then it's probably going to be settled. The next six months it was holding its own isn't making money. That was at $2 A bag compared to the ground raid on Saltspring at 350. I just wanted to make sure that people wouldn't bury it on their own land. And the rest is history.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:10
Or you got something you want to read.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:13
You read it I think it'll be the best.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:17
But do you think this isn't my forte?

Speaker 8 1:09:28
There's a lot left out, but it's just the best I could do at the time. First of all, I would like to blame and thank Bob McWhirter and Marshall Hi Nikki for calming me into being here today. I thought I could keep putting them off forever. I would also like to remember my parents and relatives for their encouragement and support. We moved with the In eyeshot of one another for 50 years, and that's pretty rare. You just can't help but have a feeling for the place that you live. When you're seeing the people day after day after day that you've grown up with that you've known that you respect and see their kids growing up. It's just It's crazy. Special homage to my favorite teachers. Miss smart, Mr. Tom's miss and Mr. filibuster also to friends, especially Norman Merlot and Rob Pringle, George, hi, Nikki, the bow quartz and the bow quartz and so so many others. It will take another total presentation to mention. There was something comforting about seeing relatives and friends every trip to get energies Fulford Vesuvius or Fernwood, it's easy to feel at home and part of something special. The method was to the method was to adopt the persevere. But many of the families who are still here do what does that since? Well since quote, the good old days. My great grandfather, James McFadden worked for the Hudson's Bay Company. My great grandpa, that's my great great grandfather, my great grandfather worked. William McFadden was a marksman for seal hunting and burning see a postman law enforcement, farming and fishing. All of these comprise the family income until after World War One. The hitter the hitter side of our family arrived after the war through the soldier settlement board and acquired 160 acres. The property had some clearing and a burn from the winds homestead the hedgerow farmhouse was built around it 23 My grandfather Arthur hairdryer soon acquired horses and stock establishing a dairy herd he so cream to the famous better factory when royalty visiting

Speaker 8 1:12:41
visiting Victoria visit in Victoria requested Saltspring Island butter so of course they have to have that Saltspring had a free range law. Cattle could graze anywhere those days unwanted stuck had to be fenced out that whoops hold it I got that wrong. Those days. Unwanted stock had to be fenced. She's got it had to be fenced. Yeah, that's right. And not it's okay to be fenced out. Now unwanted stock has to be fenced in my father. It was called free range so your animals could go out and feed on the the highways and the roads and you didn't have the gargling lawn cutting the grass on the side of the road you have cows and horses but not sheep were thrown around hedges, hedges first job was horse logging, and skid road building with a pick and shovel and one or two horse skip scoop. So everything was very, very difficult. He also helped out on the farm whenever possible. The next progression of logging was from horses to higher lead Sparrow trees, trucks and cataloging purchased a small cat and dad and I carried on logging in until 1963. After two years mountain selective logging and road construction throughout Pringle and download for a login contract on their property channel rich having some contracting some contracting at peace work was on Saltspring Andy interior, it was obvious that a small circuit something screwed up their

Speaker 8 1:14:58
spring and the interior MC Nancy was a little different, it was obvious that the smaller Dipper logger was doomed. The government tree farm licenses had shut us down, shut us out. I returned to Google Saltspring with my losses for my login caper, and no tail between my legs. Wasn't that one either.

Speaker 8 1:15:30
I wrote letters to my creditors and explained the situation. If I could, if I crossed out then include including everything I had, there would be something like 10 cents on the dollar. Property went to the bank, which covered the mortgage 100%. The more family waited the longest trust to pay the lender to everybody explaining what I owed. And if somebody wanted to foreclose or force the payment, then I would sell everything and then be lucky to get 10 cents. So everybody waited. It was just Saltspring the node family waited the longest.

Speaker 8 1:16:25
Family with heart and kindness elven tree traded one pure black lab pup to a good friend Doug Simpson for six winner pigs and acquired chickens and a couple of milk cows. While the years now yours on the mixed farm will blast. We sold fresh milk, fresh cow's milk, turn to full fridges a day, eggs, chickens. About 400 sides of pork and bacon per year. People even came from the mainland. With the help of their friends we held a luau. With the help of many friends. We held a luau once a year with about 100 people, and 600 pounds of food put down our first wife and brother now they're from New Zealand. They had Maori in them, and they knew all about cooking in the dirt. And it was absolutely delicious. After seven years of farm fun, I was offered a written login contract in the Dominican Republic. I sold everything and was prepared to leave to check out to check it out. When the British gave them their independence. And I was within two weeks of leaving. And they gave me their independence. And that canceled the deal, because they didn't want the Canadian loggers down there. But then, when Britain had control there, they were encouraging Canadians to go down the problem that they were having actually was. So many of the people that went down there were young married men, and in the tropics, like that, and most of the men that were on that island were working away. So they were partying and waste of time. So they wanted somebody that was married Dominican Republic I sold. Cassidy, we then found a logging camp in DC with a school for the kids, which closed which we were there for about a year. And then the close to school. And so we had to move out of camp. So we moved back to Salt Spring. And we're back into the farming by building a fairing barn and producing between 15 102,000 pigs per year. These were shipped to the mainline and we back hauled about 10 tons of grain every trip. And once again when I saw those pigs there. They were finishing out eight days faster than any other producer that was producing fewer hogs. And so the guy asked me what do you what are you doing? I said, Well, I don't know. The only thing I did know was the girls went out and foraged on about 20 acres 30 acres and grazed. So when they came in they were very, very healthy. And this is just this is the funny story. This I talked about loving my pigs. Once again, I'd get carried away with the bulldozing and whatnot and had all these pigs. And so it was always a big rush after work, feed everybody and whatnot. And as you see the lineup of pigs there and all the sides, there's usually about 30 or 40 or 50 of them out in the field. And then I would have the bread in 10 at a time, so they would fall mostly at the same time. So I went, fed everybody and this girl, she loved everybody that was eating and came to the gate. And I said, Oh, no, I'll get you tomorrow. All I had was electric fences. And so the next day, I was too busy. Oh, I'll get it tomorrow. The third day, she wasn't there another little boy, that Mr. So for everybody, and I went looking for the field. And she just gave me how she knew that she should have gone in the barn three days before? How does the pig know that? How does an animal know that? But I think if you're consistent, you really care about them. I think a lot goes from the farmer to the to the animals, whether it's a chicken or a pig or a horse or whatever. I'm getting carried away. See what's pigs.

Speaker 8 1:21:26
10 times agree. My friend, Jim curry, who is really good friend of mine that I worked for, off and on on Vancouver Island had given me a D dozer to use. And I went back to subdivision developing development as well. Between the farming and bulldozing I was very busy. I really missed the social life of the next farm. Approximately five years later, the photo today says it's a miracle. Approximately five years later, the federal government put a subsidy on shipping grain east. Nothing West. The word was that the green was costing less. In Ontario and Quebec, it was in BC. And the grain was costing less. So if you think about that, for the grain to be shipped to us to raise pigs. It was more than taking that grain when the subsidy was settled on it. Because you could buy the grade cheaper in Ontario than even in Alberta. For the growing it totally, totally.

Speaker 8 1:22:59
Cost less after traveling over nine provinces in over one province to BC hog operations collapsed. slaughterhouses closed closed down out here. This was the end of my last firm innkeeper December 1988, we purchased 11 acres from auto auto now we must add that the registered gravel pit on a mining permit and focused on property development. When the local garbage dump is closed at the end of 1999 91. We immediately got calls to our office to send a backhoe to dig garbage haul on their private properties. After a month or so this was not the Saltspring way. When we call the CRD they said if someone didn't smarten up, they would send one of the big operators over to Victoria over from Victoria. I said Not on my watch. I felt it should be up to a sprinter to up to a sprayer. I had our mechanic fix up a truck and parked it at GVM

Unknown Speaker 1:24:21

Unknown Speaker 1:24:23
our family. A lot about me

Unknown Speaker 1:24:32
thanks a lot Laurie.

Speaker 1 1:24:34
Thanks a lot Laurie. It has been a blast these last few weeks reminiscing in his front room. We're going through a million pictures and five minutes working on the presentation all the recipe essing with all of what happened over these chairs. It's been a blast.

Unknown Speaker 1:24:51
It's a pleasure. Any questions?

Unknown Speaker 1:24:53
Yes rose bar You're gonna start another big farm.

Unknown Speaker 1:25:01
Not a big one. Yeah, I wouldn't mind. Yeah.

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Unknown Speaker 1:25:19
Any other questions? Okay, thanks a lot and yours, Bob.

Speaker 8 1:25:29
I would also like to thank Nancy for giving this answer. I can read it big enough and helping me out with this.

Unknown Speaker 1:25:41
D Mike, you know. Thanks,

Speaker 7 1:25:45
Rob. So the basic part of our program, I'd like to say that Next, well take very first day story for coming. That was last year to finally get here. And we appreciate it very much that you took the time and effort to extol the virtues of your family and your papers. So thanks very much. Right. Okay, thank you very much.

Speaker 7 1:26:08
And the son Tony sitting here quietly didn't say a word which is unusual for Tony. Welcome to Utah to Vegas, shoot your sales director. Matthew back there. Okay, good. Thank you. Next week, next month is March program. And if you remember a few years ago, some of the ladies put on a program called the fabulous revenue Salzburger. And they outlined the history of what was at the amazing rate, the fabulous amazing over themselves. And some of them together again, and program as a merch is International Women's Day, March 8, some of you that worried about things like that. But we also don't we're still going to be a program in March about similar women that have contributed to the history of assaults reality, not the same group, a different group. So they've been researching and going forwards. This program will be mine. It was smoked. What he's got apparently in your head, the second Wednesday of March 13 For birch. And I would like to see all of you to come and hear that so we'll be women of salt spray who've contributed to our history. But I'd like to thank marischal for his contribution to today's program he was on a few minutes ago and put it together for so thanks to you Marshall for today's program.

Speaker 7 1:27:37
And I haven't had a lot of you rush up and offer to serve under Executive but I'll give you a few more days to think about it before you you totally turn it impossible to have you will be served now and also the hedgers are here so you can come up and talk to them and radiometric about this afternoon. We'll see you in March. Thank you very much.

Unknown Speaker 1:28:19
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