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The Patterson Family

Accession Number Presenter OAPO
Branch 170
Fulford Harbour, B.C
Date October 6, 2011 Location
Media digital mp3 Audio CD mp3 √
ID duration 54 min

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he's gonna do a little bit on it. Yeah, I want to manage this is my show

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rather than as technology has changed very much

Speaker 3 11:28
I don't know man. How many you normally get out but there's that ferry meeting today which is drawing a lot of people. Yeah, that's a big issue. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's good.

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Speaker 3 11:44
No, I think was open to the public. But I think you have to speak you have to maybe put in some way I don't. I don't know. Maybe I'm not sure. And then a number of people who saw it at Fulford said to me well, it's similar and I said it won't be so you know, they decided they've already said something and I think this is really fits perfect. Yeah, that's fine with that Yeah. For

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Don't know about lighting that you're going to use this people to turn it off, but you need some lights for me.

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Once you get started calling it you're trying to do two or three things at once. You're trying to find your space. Yeah, right. Right. Okay.

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I was thinking about you the other day I said, I thought there's a guy who's has a whole bunch of stories about about things in the school system. I could never tell it the students also the teachers

Speaker 2 13:47
we don't talk about every Monday. Yes. Yes. Board meeting. Yeah, I would have done I would have done the Friday. We used to do merry Monday or Wednesday, Wednesday or destined Friday to get it closer to Christmas. But they didn't realize that so they were very money which was traditional what we normally do but I would add a closer just to have a closer to Christmas. But anyway, yeah, so 17

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I did leave a message on it. That's when they scheduled dinner.

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Yeah, they're organized the boomers. I know they've talked to Paul lemon juice already in the go and they've asked what they gonna do and told the process. I have gardener So I don't know I mean it might be an interesting introduction

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I haven't timed I'm going to try and keep it to 40 minutes an hour okay cut things down Well the question that some people yeah everybody

Speaker 1 16:11
comes back post interesting reading all the newspaper article we'll see how many things are wrong in there but that's what we thought

Speaker 2 16:36
one I didn't realize the male part of the family has a appendix weakness because grant granted Patterson I know that yet, but I have not granted. But I still recall. So it doesn't show up like mine was mine was somewhere in the wall place. But anyway, yeah.

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have found the brain yet.

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So here's the question,

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of course. Have a referendum? No, we haven't decided on the approval process yet. We've been analyzing other districts and when they did. The hard part is and the frustration is you get so few people actually come out and vote. You got a population of about 7000 eligible voters. And you're lucky to get 700 of them to come out. Here. Oh, yeah. I'm fortunate to know guys.

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First petition.

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Competition,

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you don't even need that.

Speaker 2 18:03
Well, the beauty of it. I don't like it. I think everyone should be involved in the process. Everyone should vote one way. And I find the Scourge and when so little people in the gauge and the physician community. But the kind of petition process essentially puts onus on the know voters to organize and and petition the district to have a referendum to choice Yes, YouTube channels. Yeah. And people really don't care if it's there to be a yes vote, but they don't care. So there's so that's I was

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Speaker 2 18:45
and I agree. Yeah. And I agree. And that's kind of a might be a strategy in regards to the competition gets called people saying no. motivates the yes, people to realize that, gee whiz, if we don't, if we don't actually go and vote, we're not going to have a bar Hall and then come back. And it just takes longer and it's more expensive. But while it becomes a catalyst to be democratic, but

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of course has traditionally Yeah, get out into the community and tell people what's going to happen. This week, and this week

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Speaker 6 19:58
like to welcome you to our The November meeting of the Saltzman Historical Society. We have a good program on this afternoon. But we do have a little bit of business to do right at the beginning. Susan Marie you correspondence. No Porcelain is treasured. We have a Treasurer's Report

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on the wall.

Speaker 6 20:22
How many members do we have membership chairperson? Many we need volunteer or two for helping us with our tea service in January. So if you can help out the sheet here, put your name on January meeting. We have January and February we need people so there's one on each. But if you're coming to that meeting, you'd like to bring some of your home baked leftover Christmas goodies. Because January's meeting. They also mentioned that it's the time of the year now when everybody's donating money to various charitable causes. And the archives is a charitable cause if you go with it can give tax receipts through our society's tax deduction numbers. So if you'd like to donate to the archives, please write up check for us. And we'll give you a tax receipt for what we directly attributed to the operation of the archives, which when we moved to our new library facility in December, we're probably going to move but visual aid would be after Christmas, Robbie. We our expenses are going to go up astronomically high compared to our old system. So we hope that if you do give charitable donations that you would, you would support us as well. And that's the last commercial you're going to get for me. I think that's the end of the meeting. Somebody moved through a journey. All right. Now, today, the Patterson program, we have two of them with us today to Bruce, were raised in Saltspring. Gladys born and raised in salt spray. Bruce ran the store after his father passed on and now it's closed and Gladys went away for a few years and has come back and they still live in the same sort of area in the family in the Beaufort Valley. But that's not where they came from these started out at the beaver Point area. So I'd like to welcome Gladys and Bruce today this afternoon, and I look forward to your presentation. Thank you very much for coming.

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Speaker 3 22:36
Okay, everybody can hear me. All right. Well, thank you very much, Bob, and to the Historical Society for inviting us to come today and give a presentation on the Paterson family. I don't know about Bruce, Bruce like to talk anytime. But I certainly am at the age where I really like to talk about the good old days. So this is great. Thank you a big thank you to Frank again, who it would happen without Frank. He is the magic behind all of it. So thank you very much, Craig. And that glass of wine really helped to. And Susan, who did some scrambling in the last few days to get to help me get some things together to thank you very much. And thank you all for coming. This oops

Speaker 3 23:28
we're starting off if you'd like to start at the back of the book. Well, this is the this is the family as it is today. But we have a genetic defect and that the Pattersons never take pictures of that ever interest to anybody else. We have a million family pictures of all us eating Christmas dinner and doing all sorts of other crazy things. But when it comes to it's not happening. Oh, I see. Well, we better go back here. Okay. We have the closest thing we have is our family today, but there's four internal person there. And we're missing Helen Rocco. And that is the extended the family on Saltspring. Now okay, if I can see from here scroll to get the four people to my left don't belong in there. So there's John and I and then all the people off to the very right side there. That's it. Yeah, that that'll work. No, I think I'm, I'm fine. Thanks. So that's where we are today. And the question that people very often asked me about is when did the Patterson family come to Saltspring Island, and the best we can determine is 1893. And it was Elizabeth Patterson. him and her eight year old daughter Mary Galloway Patterson and her son William Downey Patterson, who was for the Patterson family had left Glasgow, around 1888. The brothers, William Tennant, Patterson and John Tennant. Patterson were minors. And a mine and group of miners left Glasgow and went to Williams for Colorado. And when they got there, William Paterson senior care for it. So they came up to Nanaimo. And granddad was born just before they left Williamsburg. So essentially, he actually was an American citizen, but they didn't have any birth registration in those days. So he didn't get registered until he came up to Canada. They were in Nanaimo for years when catastrophe happened in that his father developed a ruptured appendix and died. And that left Elizabeth the two children and try and figure out how she was going to finance their upkeep. And she tried a few things that didn't work. She then answered an ad from an Edward Lee on Saltspring Island, who had come to Salt Spring in 1887. With his brother, Edward had his holdings at the bottom of Lee's Hill, a farm there. And his brother was at the top of the hill, his wife died, leaving him with eight children, six girls and two boys, and he needed a housekeeper. So he and Elizabeth had a marriage of convenience. And she came to Saltspring in to live with him. And just when I stop and reflect about how difficult that must have been, for both of them, his his children must have been really mourning the loss of their mother. And here comes a strange woman with two children into their household. And the same with the Pattersons. They've been uprooted from their house in Nanaimo, they'd lost their father, and suddenly they were sort of strangers in somebody else's hubs. So I think it was two been quite a traumatic event for everybody. A difficult time. Plus, Elizabeth had grown up in Glasgow, which was becoming one of the 10 top biggest cities in the world. And it was a big, industrial city polluted, but there were lots of people in a small place and lots of amenities. And all of a sudden, four years later, she or five years later, she's on Saltspring on an isolated farm with no background in farming, and she's got to feed and clothe 10 children. So it was probably a stressful time. She actually didn't even live 10 years after arriving there. Now, one of the first things the Pattersons did when they left Scotland is they changed their name for some reason, from one tea to two teas and they sort of did it on a lark and next thing they knew they couldn't change it back. So we are actually supposed to be a one tea Patterson. So Mary and William went to the little bird going school and it was just at the bottom of their road basically, their home was across the creek on the Ganges side of Fulford, Ganges road, the last place before you went up the hill, and that's across from the little church. That's their their little United Church, which I think probably was a Presbyterian church at that time. So they went to school there and granddad ran away and went to work on the Iroquois for a short while, and his mother convinced him to come back and finish his schooling and we've got his graduation. He graduated with honors from grade eight. And then he immediately left he decided at a very early age, he did not like farming. So he went off to Vancouver, and he worked in stores for CPR. And then he went to Victoria. He was always looking for a better job. He worked on the streetcars in Victoria, and it was there that he met my grandmother, Emma Patterson. Her family had also emigrated out from England, and they ended up an extension just south of Nanaimo. And her father became a minor there. He was from a family of miners in England, but they were more administrative, but he went down in the mines. So she'd grown up there. And when she finished her grade eight, she went into service is what they called it, and she was a nanny and Victoria. When granddad met her, she was working for a quite well known family Victoria at that time, the swingers. And actually Mr. Schlanger was there at the opening of the golf course here on the island, representing the government. But the other interesting thing was that the little girl one of the little girls she was a nanny for ended up being my husband's out. She married John's father's brother, if you can get that figured out. So anyways, they met while he was doing the streetcars into obey. And then he went on into the Provincial Police and he was stationed up Comox Courtney and Cumberland area which was fairly rough, and he decided that he actually really enjoyed himself by the accounts and the letters and everything when he left the island. He had some dapper pictures. And I'm forgetting to show you any of these, that that's his sister. That's Mary who actually was known to a lot of people as Paulie and she married Daniel Henry ruckle. And that's granddad my grandfather William Daley Paterson on the right on your right. So, anyhow, he, okay. He married he asked Emma if she would if she would marry him, and she said she would not marry him if he was in the police force. So they quandary was resolved when Mary Runkle and Uncle Henry Daniel Henry went by the name Henry said they really needed someone to operate the store at Beaver point, and that would be a great position for them. So now I'm going to switch this. This is a different order. I'm going to go past that went over this is the house in Fulford, the Lee house and that's, that's the leaf family. And there's a close up on the very right is Mr. Lee and next to him is Mary Patterson and Elizabeth is the older lady behind and at that point granddad had left this would have been up 1901 And this is the runkles Mary and Rocco and granddad Patterson William Paterson with Mary son Gordon at the Runkle house. Okay, and this is back another close up of the Lee family. This is after Gordon was born and so in the center's Mary with Gordon and the restaurant lease. There's some of the girls and two of the boys they had two boys and this one shows to him when he was working on the Iroquois and this is him in his conductor's outfit. And this is what the beaver points store looked like when they arrived. It was in badly in need of a painting. Captain good had built it sometime around 1912 or 13. And he had run it as a store for about a year and then he left so it's been empty for a year or two. So that's sort of what the dwarfs in the whole area looked like when they arrived

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Speaker 3 33:22
oh that cursor has to go on to the Okay. The first year there in the store. They added that around all the way around three sides and they painted the house. The store part was facing the road the house would right up to the edge of the road. And it was then behind the house you can see there's a lien to that was their kitchen. They had no electricity right up till the time when they left in 1951. And they had no running water that they're drinking water. They went right around the head of the harbor near where the parking is now for the Bay Area. You go in there about 100 feet and there was a well So grandma used to go every day and and pack water for their drinking and cooking. And then they had a big rain barrels for catching rainwater for the washing. And they had an outside tap but it was since drinkable and I guess it was for watering the garden. But it was very simple. And the store had basically at that time stores just had dry goods like SHA flour and sugar, some spices and lamp wicks and that type of thing because everybody grew their own food if you didn't grow at your store, or you got it from your neighbors and they didn't have course any refrigeration to keep anything like that. So the other big part of their business was gas or fuel and they later built a gas shed but the bolts would bring in the fuel and they had a big business supplying fuel to boats going up and down past the I was at that time, it was always busy with boats going to Vancouver or up to the other parts of the island. And she said later she was talking about her life at Beaver point my grandmother and she said that she always felt like she had way more activity here than she did when she lived at Fulford because the people at Fulford re whipping by to catch the ferry but here are the people came in and boats and they visited and talk. And she got to know a lot of people traveling up and down on a regular basis, some of the First Nations people, one First Nations lady told her about when she was a child she had been they've been coming down into canoe and they saw the hightest way off in the distance. So they roared in and pull their canoe up into the woods and hit. So it's interesting all the stories that she got there. They had a great life. Beaver point was a wonderful community. And they had dances she used to play the piano. Helen rock called senior uncle Alford's wife, she was a Marxist. And for Victoria, as you know, they're very musical. She played the piano and Uncle Alfred, he made violins and fiddles. And they had dances and picnics. And they play tennis down on Ben Henyk drive or the host there. So it was it was a busy time. And the fact that it was a simple life didn't bother them, they were perfectly happy. They had the only phone for that part of the island. So they also really agnostic just around. And I presume the phone came in by cable that went up from Victoria. And they just had the odd place where they bring a phone in on the island. The other thing is they had the post office and it became apparent to me that post offices were probably one of the most important things on the island, those early days, because all your communication was done through the post office and people would drop a little postcard in with a mindset stamp and just say hi got your letter we'll write later. And just their form of communication plus all their supplies, like the catalogs may put a couple of catalogs out there. But they had a lot of parcels coming through and they did money orders. It was that was the center of the community. So everywhere the boat stopped, whether it Musgrave or beaver point or somewhere a little post office would form in somebody's house. So the original one was in Mr. Rocco senior's house. And then when Daniel Henry Rockall and Mary got married, he took it on and then they moved it down and it became part of the store. So they were sort of the center of everything going on. Granted, also became was made a justice of the peace and he was called on to witness all sorts of documents and carry out those duties. They also took him vocal school teacher for the school, gave them room and board. And this is how Mary Davidson's mother Dorothy Doer who was a teacher at Beaver point, met her future husband who was a friend of granddad's from the streetcar days, and they had playing cards at my grandparents. He William was also a school board trustee for a number of years. The Beaver point ladies also entertained on Wednesdays they provide a tee for the day trippers who came in on the Wednesday boat that was probably around the 30s in the 40s. Then they also acquired a farm across from Beaver point Hall and so granddad would go on his way into Fulford he would stop and milk the cows and, and take the milk home at night for grandma to make butter and all those things, but now it will him. Emily had a son Robert and he was born in 1916. And he went to school at Beaver point and then he boarded with my grandmother's sister in Victoria and finished the Chi. he cycled into Victoria on Sunday night and he cycled back again on Friday night. And those days like when my father told me this, none of us bicycled anywhere so that seemed like a major feat. But of course today now people are doing it again all the time. He graduated 1934 But didn't carry on to university although he had very good grades and not quite sure why pay it was the time surround them. He did a couple of years of fishing and he went out with the Stevens brothers and he went up and down the coast in their fishing boat and he absolutely loved it. Being born near the water. He loved the ocean. He was never happier than when he was on the water. He never learned to swim. If you've been to Beaver point might know why it's it's quite cold that water out there. But you could tolerate the coldness but he was always on a boat. Now about that time, William Pat Patterson in 1927 He went in to Fulford and purchased a building there. Hope you're I keep forgetting to I got this thing off here again. We're here we are. Okay.

Speaker 3 40:08
I got a little while Where's this one the next one instead Okay, there okay, that's another picture of the store showing the front and the entrance up underneath was my grandmother's root cellar where she kept all the preserves and all that sort of thing and then the door round to the other side. And the next picture is their truck. They have one of the first vehicles on the island and Kersey was trucking back and forth to Fulford. And that's Nan ruckle sitting on the hood tells you that the next one is of my father feeding the chickens and I put it in because beaver Point area was so cleared at that point, and you go there now and it's an absolute force. It looks almost like old growth. But that's 60 years of since it was cleared, and they had a garage there for their car and they had chickens and a few pigs. And that's my father with the traumas from school.

Speaker 3 41:20
And that's my grandmother and my father and her two sisters. Her family loved to come to Salisbury her younger she was one of about 10 children. And so her young sisters love to come and spend the summers there. And I used to spend summers there too. And that's another one of their truck with all the feed feed was another important thing that people needed brought onto the island from off the island. And that's why he actually went to Fulford it seemed that's where the feed came in. This was his farm at Beaver point and that's me and amongst the animals there but that barn was there for quite a few years. I don't know when it fell down or was taken down. It was the 60s Okay. That's across from Beaver point Hall. So now we're coming into the Fulford area and that's the probably the Jone in the at the dock there early on. Before it was very developed. It was very clear it all up there to everybody coming for boat day. I don't know how they maintain those clothes with irons that heated on the stove and washed by hand. And that's another one that's again before the ferry dock went in and those sheds were feed sheds and the two on the side was a storage shed and a fuel shed that granddad had acquired. And across the way from them was a feature that the molex used to have, but I think around the 1937 He bought it from the boys and there was a private home up where the store is now and that's what became Fulford store that was early early on. And he purchased that and he rented it out, it was eight off triggy that had built it some years much earlier. And the Cudmore has rented it well they built their store across the road and he kept the front part later to any first just started selling feed out of it and that was when it became a store. So now I should catch up to you here. So there was the side pack was coming into Fulford so it was a building boom. And Fred Cudmore had subdivided all that orchard drive and put homes in and with the ferry service coming there that changed a lot of things because now people could take trucks over to Victoria and bring stuff back and beaver point ceased to become as important to stop for the CPR boats and finally in 1951 They stopped altogether and the post office moved into Fulford so that meant there really was no reason for them to stay at Beaver point. So they moved into Fulford and they live in the back of the house. Oh and the upstairs and had the store just in the front area. This is another one anyways okay, you know what I should have warned you Frank computers and I don't get to actually using Shawn just has to walk in the room and at smartens right up, but when I'm on it anyways, that's their 25th wedding anniversary out at Beaver point and that would be 1940 And that's my bob my Father Bob and he looks like he's just having a wonderful day.

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Speaker 3 44:59
am I touching Something Okay, there we go. I think we're all right. That's another one of a car old car in front of the full food store. Now, we're coming into the next phase and that on the right is my mother, Nancy Watkins Baker and she came to salt spring from the Queen Charlotte Islands. She was born and mass it. The parents moved there. I don't know when they moved there but anyway, she was born there. And her grandfather was Dr. Lawson and Dr. Lawson and his wife Lillian came to Salt Springs to be the physician on Salt Spring and lived on the corner of Rainbow Road and Fulford Ganges road where the lawyers offices today and they had a big piece of property there did a lot of lawn bowling and entertaining. And Nancy's parents moved to the island and they did various things. But they did go and manage the Ganges and for Jay Mowat, which was wonderful for my mother because she had all these girls that were either working there or staying there. Helen, Rachael is on the left, and she's got glasses on her nose or something. But anyways, she and Nan came from Beaver point to stay there while they went to school because it was just too long their drive from Beaver points so they were stayed in Monday to Friday. And those girls had so much fun in the middle is Peggy and I'm not sure companies pick him up during I don't know who it would be but they were having they had a great fun and they my mother was very much a outgoing and loved lots of fun. Actually, I think Bruce takes after her a lot. This is a picnic here with the raffles Norman Rockwell who died very young, and my father and then in the front rows. My mother, Helen Rocco, and again, I think there's Phyllis new and somebody else again, and I can't remember the names and behind was my grandparents on my mother's side, the Baker's Evelyn and Cecil on a picnic. Helen and Nan staying at the end introduced my mother to their cousin Bob, he didn't go to school at Ganges he went to Victoria. So they introduced my mother and they got married. And we've got to get this thing off here again, there we go. And there they are sitting at a car on the front of a car at Beaver point again. And there is she's there with the granddad Patterson, in front of a truck looks like a snowy day. And this is the little rock garden that was at Beaver point, sort of going back here. That's me when I was I don't know about five and so not too long before they moved away. But that area is so prominent now you would never ever know that. That was all a rock garden. And that's what I think it's so interesting. When I go out there, I can't believe they ever lived there. And that's my grandmother and me again. And that's another one of that. When Fulford store reverted to being a home, that's back when we bought the new store so and then of course, here is the the old gas pump that what's and you've all seen that. Oops, this wants to come back again. Now, so we've got Bob and Nancy marrying and Bob went to Victoria and worked in the shipyards. And I was born in Victoria while they were there, and then they came back to Salt Spring. And they couldn't go to this one. They needed some help in the store because they were running both stores. So actually to think the Pattersons were the first change store on salt spring they had two stores for a number of years from about 1930 to 1951. And there's the old side pack in the warfare. So Bob was needs to come and help so he came back after the war and he built a home on a big piece of property off of Morningside road. And at that time, my grandfather purchased this piece of property from someone who really needed to get rid of the property and nobody wants to buy property in those days. So he got it from this Mrs. MCBRIDE whose husband had died and she wanted to go back to Vancouver. So my father built a house there and helped with the store. So

Speaker 3 49:41
we're looking at the coffee bar but that was full for general store. Let's see. This is when it was Cudmore store. They have some general supplies but they had a bowling alley and a barber shop and a post office and everything else in there and then it Damn, that's very and then we went to mantises store that was full for general store in the early 50s. No, the late in the 40s, actually. So anyhow, Patterson's for getting their store they did delivery up and down the valley to all sorts of homes. My dad went into Victorian Thursdays and brought back all the goods and if he wasn't a fairy when he was supposed to be the fairy would wait for him. The good old days. Okay. So the next thing is the corporate water district and I don't have any pictures of that, but they were very instrumental. My grandfather was one of three trustees that was the fool for started the Fulford Water District, and they couldn't align from Western Lake right through down to Fulford, the lime line transected my dad's property, which he has had 160 acres, so it meant a huge gash right through the middle of his property, and most of the line was above ground. So my dad spent many hours every winter for years and years and years, keeping the water running when it got cold weather whether it was trying to keep the pipes from freezing and they had holes in them to let the water scrapes spout out so that the water would start moving quickly. You know in the days you had to leave your taps on to make sure your water didn't freeze so that was a big enterprise that they were involved in and for years later he was always working to maintain I think you have a story Bruce for one night after the store closed they all went down and they dug up Fulford Ganges row because there was a leak and covered it all rego home at five o'clock slept two hours went back to work the next day. And that's what they did in those days, which I should tell you the problems I'm having right now with care. Now, not that story at all. So that's how changed, some changes are good, and some are bad. So okay. Now he also they also would give credit, I think maybe because my grandfather, whether it's because that the type of life he had had, and rough times or whether when he went to Vancouver, he had no money and he got a job. And he went to a place for room and board. And the lady said, You look honest, I'll take you in and let you stay and you just pay me when you get your paycheck. But granddad always right at the time he left, he gave people credit in the store, he didn't charge any interest. He was not in for the business. He just wanted to make enough money that the family was comfortable. He didn't want to take any risks. But he left people they would have built up for months and months and months. And that was okay. And the occasional person skipped out and left and didn't pay. But for the most part, people were very honest. And and it was a good system. Now, in getting up to more modern times, Bob volunteered on the fire department for about 20 years. And seven firecrackers every Tuesday night and learning a lot of first day. And I'm gonna let Bruce now talk a little bit about the fire department part because he was more around when that happened. And then I'll come back and finish.

Speaker 2 53:17
I got a very loud voice, so I probably don't need that. But if you can't hear me, I'll use that. First there are three things. First, wow, I was very impressed with the speed at which you conducted your business. I wish our district meetings went as fast. But I'm trying to streamline it down to less than five minutes. But the driftwood has nothing to report them. Secondly, it's very nice to see as many people that I recognize is not a funeral. So I'm very happy to see everybody. And thirdly, I'd like to thank my sister who has spent a lot of time putting those together, came to my office this morning and Fulford and turn on my computer and notice that she'd sent me an email at one o'clock in the morning asking me to review her draft presentation and make any comment so that I phoned her about nine and I asked her Did you get any sleep last night? And she said yeah, a little bit. So thank you very much. The fire department it was started in 1960. I was two years old and they were the history of our apartments. It was pretty simple. We go to the fire hall and Ganges today and the back of the fire hall I can now it's down and it's a hole to the full for the back hole two is the old Jeep for our truck and you might see that occasionally and parades and showing shines and and the fall fairly. They still get up there and they decorated for Christmas and stuff And that was the Fulford firetruck and it was stored in my grandparents garage. So they had a two big garage and one half of it their car, the whole 53 Pontiac Sidney in it. And on the other half of it was the fire truck. And of course in those days there was no such thing as pagers. So which we all carry now and the phone get home and they had dispatchers in the hall. And if you had a fire you fall in the fire hall and Ganges and the dispatcher would start making home phone calls and they get the firehall the Ganges had a siren but of course there was no siren and foolproof because when my grandparents garage, so they would phone usually my father was a daytime because he was closest to the fire truck. And so usually with a full my father first and they then they would phone thread Holly's next post is a fire truck. And it kind of worked. And then he was served for the firefighters that were close to wherever the fire was to get people there and they kind of responded from there. And then they built the fire hall Morningside road, there was a piece of property in the edge of our property, which I thought we donated, but maybe we sold to the fire district. And there was some fill in there and he built the fire hall. That's the Morningside bakery. And once again, I don't believe there was a siren on there, but we were certainly involved two pagers and my father rarely ever wore his so there was usually more often they would fall in the store to alert my father and then he would go across the fire hall and roll the Jeep truck and then he would hit the siren on the Jeep truck, the Fred haul eggs and then behind the store. He didn't wear his pager very often either and quite often TV outside work in whatever so you hear the the fire truck siren go off and I was very strong memory of Fred Hollings who had his word to shining tin helmet work helmet on his head there and he would come rather than down here to tell them we're getting wobbly and palm was head and he would jump into the fire truck and and even those the cheap truck it doesn't go very fast. And of course everywhere from Fulford is uphill. And so it took a while for it to get to where it was going to be but and then eventually it wasn't the part of the car needed a tanker. And there was no they couldn't expand the fire hall to a two bay fire hall. So there was a decision was made to relocate the fire department or fire hall to where it is now and we've kind of gone from there. So and then they installed the sirens and modern a stop and we've evolved from there. We cost you a lot more money now on your taxes than we did the past year. I'm just gonna touch on my mother. Apparently I have her sense of humor, but my mother was when I grew up. My mother was unlike most other mothers at the time. Most other mothers of kids who I grew up with, didn't have her own business. And so my mother was the home type. She you know, she didn't suffer but she didn't spend a lot of time home. She spent a lot of time doing other things and and when she wasn't working in the restaurant, Nan's coffee bar used to close the wall she used to pick so out and I don't know anyone remembers picking salon but that's what she did in the wintertime. Her and Jean Hollings would go the old old logging slashes and pick slough and I have to find out you have smells or senses that bring back memories. I have two of them. The smell of frying hamburgers. My hair has hammered recently on their clothing meaning reminds me of my mother. And the second is my mother would wear this wool knitted coat that either picks the towel and there's a smell if I smell wool with the organic smell of woods and moisture, whatever that was my mother in the wintertime first

Speaker 3 59:21
Okay, well I was actually going to go to her next. She She wasn't happy at home. She had married at 18. And she was a very social person. And if you know our property, you can't see another host and models and so she was there by herself. So she got an opportunity to work on the ferries on the concessions as the waitress and before a year was up the person that owned the concession decided didn't want to do it anymore and asked her if she would like to take it over. So she did and it started off just on the motor princess and then later it was two ferries the side pick that was doing the around a different route and also had a little coffee bar put on and it was good Wait, I mean you can buy bacon and eggs and all sorts of things, pies and sandwiches and everything on the ferry. So she started off there and she hired a bunch of girls and but she ran out of space to store things. And when this place came up for sale, she they decided to buy it, mainly to have a place to store it. Mary Gervin was running it as a coffee shop between the after the last general store closed around 1950. And Mary Gervin had it and in 1958, she put it up for sale. And my mother decided to buy it mainly because she needed a place to store things. So the Arctic went on. And then of course, the ferry company came in in 1960, and bought out the Saltspring Island ferry company. But they kept her doing the concession for a year until they got sort of things under control. And then they took over the concession. So that's when she banned her focus then on the this place, and this was the hippie era. And I don't know if that has anything to do with how those bonds grew. But it just reminds me of that era. It was overgrown with the rose bushes. And that's when she perfected her pies and she became known all over for her pie making she makes sometimes 16 a day. Cheap pick the berries for them in the in the fall in the summer. And she had lots of energy. I can remember when she had bought this in the concessions she would sometimes go 16 hours a day, seven days a week. And I quickly had to learn how to babysit, look after children and cook and we have some really hilarious stories of trying to cook Thanksgiving dinner on a woodstove and it was a fun time though. But we she was very busy and she was very happy. She also had card parties in there again, that became sort of a center where the community people came and play bridge every second or 500 on Saturday nights and then they would all have something to eat. They've set up all the card tables. She belonged they both belong to all sorts of organizations. They organize the fishing pole for fishing derbies, along with Mr. Captain Marlon and Captain Lacey. And they did their may 24 Fulford had a lot of activities, because nobody went to Ganges in those days, everything was in your own community, they only went to Ganges to go to the bank. And everything else sort of happened in your local area. Nowadays, the whole island change, we go to Ganges all the time to go to cough, we go to artspring and people from guarantees come down the folk club and to the restaurant or whatever. And it's a very different scene. But at that time, we made all our own activities and fun and it was it was really fun. It was a great community. And another thing now the other interesting But dad, he was always on call day and night for anybody that needed a hand and he was he was just one of these quiet people behind the scenes who was always coming out getting somebody's car stuck out of something or giving them some gas. But the biggest thing I can remember was whenever the big storms hit in the winter, he would get a call from either Captain Molitor Captain lacy or Captain mod to come down and help put some lines on the ferry and they'd be scrambling on these pilings down there, no life jackets and of course he never learned to swim in this raging wind and storm that happened pretty well every winter at some point. Again, that was just the way things were that time. Okay, so now around 1964 Well, that's the restaurant there and that's later on. I think around about the time maybe she left the restaurant because it looks like the neon sign is gone. And that's the old motor princess that was a really nice ferry and the approach into Fulford at that time. This is with mom and dad with myself and Bruce and Elaine still today you have a hard time getting a picture of her look at her there. There they are. A little bit later my grandparents my parents had a Bruce Lee lane and to my grandparents place at Crawford and this one is of a special day birthday or something and these are all in my grandmother's living room and I put it in because it's some of you have maybe seen these people Lotus freckles on the left Bessie Dane that you know the best Ed hospice group is named after was the lady next to her. Mrs. Lacey from Isabella point is next to her my grandmother the blue dress and girly Smith was sitting next to my grandmother

Speaker 3 1:04:45
This is the new store 1966 Walter feu decided to sell and they needed to move it was they really needed to expand the island was growing things were happening. So they I bought this building and fixed it up and John won a lot of brownie points with my grandfather because before they open John happened to come over for a weekend when they were laying the tile on the floor and he helped. They helped me both helped lay this tile on the floor My grandfather was very impressed. This is the cleanup in full for and I can see how it moved from the old store in this one but they overhead usually an annual cleanup and the Fred Hollings and dad would be out hosing down the street and everybody be clipping and snipping and and there they are cleaning all up that's the fire hall when it was up where Morningside bakery is now and then they would all go to Nan's after I think they had coffee you would remember there's something at

Speaker 2 1:05:49
the front there as curl kitchen behind her. And

Speaker 3 1:05:53
so Lillian horizontal in the front baldies mother Carl kitchen behind Yeah. That's you and the scope. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so that's, that's Oh, I see that down there. Okay. Yeah. So that's

Unknown Speaker 1:06:08
the work just gives you what

Speaker 3 1:06:12
I didn't recognize. It must be somebody else. This is another picture of coming down into Fulford before we blocked part of that view with the post office. Okay, and this one is Mom and Dad's 50th wedding anniversary at the golf club. And that's Helen ruckle, who was a bridesmaid at their wedding. And they had a nice big celebration for that

Speaker 3 1:06:45
this is another one well, now this is the Patterson store later. So they Nancy and Bob retired. And the community had a really nice, oh, my direct connection down was also a school board for a couple of transits was mentioned in the the item in the driftwood. But granddad Patterson had suffered a few bouts of pneumonia and he retired in when he was 89. And so my mother needed to help in the store. So she leased out the restaurant. And she went to work in the store. And then around 1986 85 They decided to retire and the community gave them a wonderful surprise retirement party. And Bruce took over the store. And they loved they went on to travel and enjoy their grandchildren and I just put this little picture of them traveling. And then as you can see, Bruce has carried on the tradition of doing things for the community. He lights up the Christmas lights and his Grinch and he has his merry Monday which I gather is going to be carried on this year. Like Daddy has spent hours and years of his time on the fire department and he also did with the Fulford waterworks he has been invaluable, they're generous to a fault and carried on in the family tradition. So that is about the oh here we have valde There we go. And then last year, we have, excuse me, the closing of the store. And Fulford is in the midst of another change. When the store closed, it was like it was like the death of the village. It was It was awful. And even Stan and Jill at rocksalt said they couldn't believe it, their sales dropped 25% It was just the village died. And I mean even if part of its Bruce not being there, but even when he's not there, the store is still always the center of the community. And so anyhow, the Fulford the new people the mercantile ran and we're so happy to have been in there it's nice to have that store open again. And I really hope if you ever whenever you park and feel free to run in and buy something from them because that I think you owe it to feel free to keep that store alive. And also the shell property has sold recently we don't know what's going in there. Bill Rhodes has got Morningside up for sale this week. I can tell you rocksalt Cafe is changing ownership and the new chef is coming in taking over the lease there and going so that's exciting there. The wardrobe Janice's moved over to jump Alliance on the lions said it was too quiet there without Bruce and she's gone. So the whole air has changed clasps are going to get evidently the government is going to widen the road so that we can get into Fulford weather spirit traffic lined up so Oh, who knows what's around about five years I'll probably make another big change but that's I think everything that I have today thank you very much for listening and if you have any questions we'd love to answer them

Unknown Speaker 1:10:33
further information required

Unknown Speaker 1:10:40
graduated

Speaker 5 1:10:50
private bathroom did mentioned one important job that their family did and that was they took the tide readings on the wharf every hour for years or so now

Speaker 3 1:11:04
once or twice a day yeah but every day for a year

Speaker 5 1:11:08
and that's the reason that Fulford are there it's one of the only official type tables in this area. parishes to call the reading type tables are made up

Speaker 6 1:11:23
that was good. Thanks, Bruce. That was excellent. We enjoyed it very much. Nice presentation and thanks for coming all the way from the south end. Tea and coffee is going to be served and they'll be around for a while and you can talk to them for two minutes about any other stories I see other pioneer families here too so maybe they can get together and compare lives and stories

Speaker 6 1:11:51
will be coming around for people to sign up if you wish for goodies for next feeding in February and our next January thank you

Unknown Speaker 1:12:07
yeah

Speaker 7 1:12:32
take away yeah

Unknown Speaker 1:13:03
send an email through. But I realized as soon as I saw you I didn't know