232_Lyngard_Campbell_Patterson_Crawford_Fulford-History_2008.mp3

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17.04.2023

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Speaker 1 0:00
We have a panel of four speakers today. Len Crawford came down from Campbell River. He used to live in Fulford in the 30s and early 40s. He wrote a book called the way it was, and copies are available after the program. They're over here on this corner. And please look at the pictures and whatever else we have here. And Gladys Campbell is a speaker. She's with Gladys Patterson. And Bruce Patterson will be speaking. And myself. I would ask you to refrain from asking questions until all of us have spoken. That will shorten the program and keep it more evenly flowing. As we come up to speak, we will introduce ourselves we will not have someone introducing us. So I'm going to start and I will start by introducing myself. I was born and raised on Salt Spring Island. I now live on Morningside road, that property that was my grandparents, Clara and David Maxwell. My parents had property at Beaver point by Stone Lake and we had a special path which used to be a logging road going down from the Stone Lake area down to the Fulford village and it came out just where to county road is now. During the mid 70s, I lived on Morningside road My husband was with BC Ferries and we lived there for four years at 191 Morningside and that's the property just below the county road. And now I live on 205 Morningside, which is part of the property of my grandparents. We came there in 1996. For now, I'm going to go on and ask Frank to put the pictures on. I'm starting with this map, do its capital Regional District map, and I chose this one it has the water district on it. And there is just so much information on Fulford and a lot of people's memories and in books that I chose to restrict it to the next area. This is Fulford harbor. But the next map I think I'm supposed to be doing is in color. I put it in color because there was four major families that lived in Fulford very early time. I'm going to start at the red area, and I'm going to work down to the turquoise area. We're starting at the red the red area was mullets property. This is a picture of Alexander John mullet and his wife Maude Lee Monat. She was a lady and they were married in 1907. And that's when they came to their property. That property is where the Marina is right now. They farmed for their living, they had a market garden and they had orchards. I'm not sure if they had animals. Okay, that NP appears to be missing. There was a was a picture of John and Lizzie and Hudson Lee they were brothers and sisters. And Lizzy married Hudson Lee and Charlie married Lillian Lee, who was a cousin to John's wife mod. That's why we get so mixed up with the lease and the mullets. Now we're going to go down to what was the blue area on the map and this is what I call the core Fulford village. It's where the store in the post office is now, this is a picture of Alfred Raines. He obtained four acres at the property in that area from the crown in 1889. He had four acres and this is what I call a core of the village. This was only one of his properties. He also had property at the Fulford Burgoyne Valley, where George laundry lives right now. And George laundry, said he had a brother Victor as well. And laundry is obtained the property through the rains. And I was surprised to find the rains owned a property in the core of Fulford and George says he bought got the property in the valley in 1870. And he was living there in 1902 to now we'll go to the next one Frank bass. This is the pile driver outfit worked. Alfred rains worked for the federal government. And his title was superintendent of ports. He had the only power driver on Saltspring Island, and he built most of the wharves around the Gulf Islands area. Okay, now we're going to go down that there's a little brown section in the map. You probably missed it And it's right by where the ferry terminal is right now where Bruce Patterson is living is original property was four acres but s different the property changed hands. And eventually when Herbert Smith owned it in 1904 He bought it he subdivided a part off to eight off triggy And this was in 1911. This is a picture of Adolph and his wife Florence. They lived in this house and it is believed that he built it Lawrence was a Connery Can we go to the next screen? This is the house that eight off built, we believe eight off builder Drago. We believe it was built in 1911 and it somehow doesn't look like a newly built house. AIDE often Florence had two children Theodore and Sylvia

Speaker 1 6:14
I had a picture of theater in there but I must have taken it out. We'll go on now to the Pattersons in 1930 after different owners, William Paterson bought his property and started the store. This is the picture of William Paterson, his wife Emily and their son Robert. Heat we will go now down Morningside road. Oh no, we're not we're going to

Speaker 1 6:57
we will go to the early pictures of Beaufort, which was so exciting to get.

Speaker 1 7:15
This is that picture that was taken we believe in around 1911. That picture was taken from the mullet farm then, and you can see them trees in the fenced garden. Aidan just houses down there is the one with the laundry coming from it and he's right by the wharf. You will see the other house up. North of eight offs house is the beings family lived there when I remember them. But I believe it might have been the curlies house before that. The house across the road and there's a barn there was the Smith house. And later the McBride house and later the card Moore's house. We'll go to another picture. Now. Another old picture. This is a closer up it was taken from the closer to the beach. And it shows the sheds a little bit closer. And then we'll go down to the next one, which is the wharf and you can see there the restaurant or the snow store there. Now there's I have no pictures for my next part of my program at Orchard Road Orchard Road wasn't put in at that time. I was talking to Nina Wickman. And she claims she lives at 120 Orchard Road. And she claims she did his property search and her house. The house that she's in was built in 1901 Lynn Crawford who will be speaking after me, we met was living there early in the 30s. And he remembers logging houses. I could call them shacks because it was okay then to call them shacks. That was probably a logging shack. And also David O'Flynn who lives at 2881 Fulford Ganges road claims this house was built in 1901 but he does not know who built it and then believes that there was two logging shacks up in that area when he was there. Okay, now we're going to go traveling down Morningside road, and we're going to come to to county road. I don't like that I got to get my paperwork from there. Now this, this is a picture of Joseph Edward Downey. He was born July 4, or sixth in 1867, the San Juan Islands. He married Mary Emma Anna Purser. She was born July 2018. 68 on Saltspring Island, Emma had one Papenburg her child and one to Holly child. They lived on to county road. The child that townies child name was Joseph Henry townie. He was born 1888 and he died in 1948. He married Eva Harris later this is the property that make bride purchased an IP probably purchased it from the county and it went from a bride and to the Patterson's which now is where Elaine and Dan freezer nap Okay, now I want to go to Red debt coming down Morningside road, this property that I'm speaking of now, I haven't got a picture of it, but it is right below to county road and waterside or to county road on Morningside and this is a picture of Bertha Trekkie. She married Robbie daikon. And they obtained 191 Morningside road from birth his sister, Clara, who was also a daikon. Robbie worked on the side pack both as a mate and a captain. I know that he was a boat builder and a seaman His granddaughter's here today so if you have any questions, she's here. Bertha was a school teacher and she taught one year at the McBride School, which was a private school that the place where K Catlin used to live if you know where K Catlin left, it was sometimes called the brown house on Morningside road. Bertha also taught at the beaver point school, the little red schoolhouse

Speaker 1 11:54
The this is a picture of their two daughters, Cora and Bertha. I have put that in because you can see the bay behind them is Maxwell Bay. Bertha and Robbie had also had three sons, Alan, Cecil, and Rex and you'll see some of Cecil and Rex and lens talk. Now we're gonna go further along Morningside, then that's kind of hard to see. But I wanted to put that one in because it's an David Maxwell my grandfather, and he was in the First World War II was from Burgoyne valley from the Maxwell family. And he worked as a ceiling on ceiling vessels, ceiling ships. He was in the army and he was a logger. The next one is his wife, Clara draggy. She is the daughter of Theodore and Susanna trigging of beaver point. And her and David were married in 1901. They look came to Morningside wrote in around 1906. The next picture will show this White House at the corner there is where they first came. That house was there before they built the green house that is still standing today. This picture is a picture of my mother and her son. My mother was eyeness poopsie. And my brother Bill coupe see this picture was taken around 1933. And we don't know who owns the property before the Maxwells. This is the picture of the house, the Max was built. And I've been trying to find the year that it was built and I've narrowed it down to either 1907 or 1908. The House still stands today. It's the one by the public pathway. And it still looks somewhat the same as the day it was built. And when you came down Morningside road in the 30s, even you didn't get past this house because the Morningside road quit at their driveway. If you went across West and Creek you came to their chicken house okay, that's that's the end of mine. Now, I'm going to call upon Dan Crawford to present his talk.

Speaker 2 14:34
Well, well, I don't have any paper to hang on to anyway. I'm Lynn Crawford and we came here back in 1934. With my parents and they had a job working for Jack Fletcher was was a logging truck and the One thing that we have been always wanting to do, we left here. Okay, maybe we'll hold the pitcher for a second. And I'll just go over it a little bit. I left your back and 41 and it's been 68 years now since I was here. I came for a briefing, but we're just passing through once. And I thought I'd just drop by and say hello to everybody, but didn't think everybody gets together for that. Anyway was always a nice remembrance and, you know, to be in a keeps us memory of our childhood. That's when you leave somewhere like this. And your little guy, you got all kinds of friends. And it's pretty difficult, more difficult for the kids than it is for grownups, I think. Anyway, if you want to start with pictures now then I just kind of talk about him as we go.

Speaker 2 16:15
Like a change. We came here to work for Jack Treacher originally. And I think Barb's father worked for him and more at the same time as my dad here when he's about 19 on the farm, or before we game we've tried to figure out what kind of car that was but we haven't been able to as dads in Oregon truck who isn't got for son. And he hauled holes for the Japanese back then in the 30s.

Unknown Speaker 16:47
And of course, his fairy kidney Sidney and I thought maybe we put that in, it's kind of an old customer.

Speaker 2 16:58
And this is on Saltspring known and Dagda God percent. And the one first pitcher was solid rubber tire cleaner. Oh, stop. Okay. I'm gonna get around here. This is early crew. Okay, gotcha. Yeah, this is and this is a preload method where where they just lift the load up and took a little preparation to build a truck that gets back right under the load once it's there and then just lowered down he was gone that claimed at times he could drive out in his own dust when he came in. This is the jack Fletcher operation here the this is this is my dad's operation. Now after the jack Fletcher thing was over, he managed to get timber I was on on the island here and so we more or less stayed here

Speaker 2 18:08
you able to maneuver. This is a lien and tree method here where they may just pick the lock up and leave it on the truck when you didn't couldn't afford to have things that they have nowadays. Well, he had to do it all with one machine. They guarded the logs and loaded them and whatever there. That's an old GMC truck. Now the dad had a CAD and printer dump there now. This is up on Mount rousse. Up close to the look out there. And this is his picture here is actually from Jack Treacher working there and I think that's my father in the corner there. Looking like Steve steam donkey conversion or something there. This is a gadget that we bought later, because we had a fortune originally and shall we going up the ladder a little bit derrimut internorm machine Yeah, just getting that load down on a truck now. This year, that's the water tank in front of them over again. And that's a part of the hotel there. That's the one thing that's changed here a bit is that I moved that over again over by the creek now it used to be by the road. I guess it's burnt down or something and they built it closer to the creek by the bridge. And this is right in front of us as a GMP was we had to put tandem wheels on that one. And this is a white truck here coming down. Steep country up on Mount Bruce we're dumping those locks now in front of over again dad had a flat deck on that old truck because he used to do other work as well. And the bunker was just high enough for the logs to ride on his cruising timber here on the island I'm not sure who that is no one there was Dad looked like a forest rangers and this is an hour come up in the world we got a hay rack boom promoting this is a bigger white truck no and there's a guy standing up on the gym up on the boom there I think he's up there doing something. I think it looks like Cecil Nathan not yet working on the Sigler again. All I'm working on those days would tree just aims gadget again we've had great difficulty trying to get pictures on a slide here from these black and white negatives. So some of them are a little out of proportion that's a GMC again in front of the this is a new GMP and we saw the first picture there was after we changed the axles but it never did work out Now this here is somewhere going along we're currently currently is plays used to be before you get to the Catholic church they were dumping and this is right at the Catholic Church is one that had apologized for the quality of that one but they're both bad but we only have what we have so that's the one there they just rolled them over the bank there and right into Chuck I think the reason they did it there is because it was deeper and I don't think they were scared that they wouldn't float them big logs up and then shallow dump so that's how that happened

Unknown Speaker 22:10
new truck of course, lots of pictures

Speaker 2 22:18
Now this here is not yet shamed up again by Curley's where we dumped over to bank and the scheme artisan up on top here I don't know if people know him anymore here but garden scheme artisan on top of that truck there and I think Dad just finished knocking the sign off the front of the front of the game Hotel. He's looking around the corner there. Now this picture here is in front of the course in front of the over again Gothic church in the background. And I think this year Cecil Deacon too. He's out in the bush he worked for my father

Speaker 2 23:11
initially the load is on the truck now ready to take off down the road you kind of got out of place a little bit there. This year is another little picture that's team dog in the background they're not exactly sure where that one was taken but I'm still got fishing again

Speaker 2 23:43
John, Barbara Paul, I can 36 big logs that's when the truck crashed and new one first arrived. It's my dad on the left and Tom fraction channels and my brother Bob there this is Bob dodge coot rollin are with Johnson over there in front of the brown house other people pitcher gadget and this is in front of the hotel again. At the same time the sign got knocked off and going to make the corner you see how close it was to the road right there by the road named Jason

Speaker 2 24:43
That's actually picture the aprons in front of the hotel. He had two aprons one one was fully could move to the next one. And that's the load flow flying off the truck there. They had to run the trucks up on jump up blocks kept the Truck Show it could they'd roll off as they didn't have any lifting apparatus in there. This one here and he's here now is the Crawford renders logging. We just kids up on top there as dad going from the truck, front of the brown nose. You'll notice there's a couple of houses built up there on the hill going up

Unknown Speaker 25:35
my God, they're hooking up a trailer

Speaker 2 25:45
and this is graduate note, which you can't do nowadays for another apron. Because it was so shallow there we only donkey on a truck over there, pulling the drag bucket back and forth. And that's how we dug out a little bit there. A hanger by the neck did that No. Is it a boom we had Mrs. Patterson store in the background there. And that's there started the war for me it was my new bike. And here we are able to barge in, let it go dry beside the boom and then they run the cat across the woman up on the barge. This guy here and he's a he's a road builder that we had there. The car was the interesting part for me. Now, this is after we moved away from Saltspring after we moved away from Saltspring that was last year boys. They used to stop and visit us at our camp up north. And this is a short Bay wharf back then it's all there was there then now he gets the ferry coming daddy back up had to back on because he couldn't get through the ferry. He was too wide to get through. So when they got over here, cars had run off and now this is a jump up blocks. You see the truckers up on them now to get their thing ready to slide off the ones that didn't come off and to be pried off by hand or whatever

Speaker 2 27:29
and this is back in Crawford brothers logging here that's the trailer Gordon cut more helped us build all this he was about five years older than me kind of mix it up this is a army guys on field trip over to our the island here Bobby my brother Bob running our yard here we had

Speaker 2 28:02
big steep country up in that high country's air by the look out there on the island near all kinds of problems yeah there's a jump up blocks ready to run up on Dad jumping from cotterman the air there

Speaker 2 28:23
we're loading the logs here. Those guys were logging right up behind where the houses are no road you're talking about where the houses are. Here we are getting ready to run up on blocks again

Speaker 2 28:42
couture was mum was great for taking pictures she had the old square Buck camera and all the edge so those days along quality the pictures are pretty pretty bad at times. Some of them turned out good here when you're trying to hook up a trailer again. Common thing when you get to the bush you got to take the trailer off and hook it up. This is the last of your boys now I think our camp needs to stop and get a few good meals out of the cookout on our way up fishing

Speaker 2 29:33
that's me in front of the truck and coot rollin in the truck. That little pick up at the back there. We used to go up to the show all the time every weekend. With that and pick up all the guys along the road going up through the valley here. Good kitchen meal wait and we stop pick them up

Speaker 2 30:03
Some of the people that lived around here that's my mum on this side. That's got Tony's I don't know the name of the fellow up there. Then rose rocks there was me at the bottom that Mama novacyt To Heart Ken down in Roseland Murray and that's me under the porch of the big red house back then and that's the grace aren't girls and Elena breaks on the steps going up to the big house. And Mabel it to the top there. And that's my brother Bob. And that's the big house in that driveway come right and that's where the story is No.

Speaker 2 30:57
Brother, Bob, Mario's like this, cowboy outfits. And nowadays, it was all to do with the Lone Ranger. The Lone Ranger was a serial Ganges was watched every 15 minutes or every 15 or 15 minutes every week. That was all to do with this has made a decorate bike decorating as little Eric beings in decorated one that's the softball team here now from and we went to James Island or they did their grace our Jimmy at the far end, Mabel just in this is a grace arts here with two girls and a boy that's over on Morningside where the cement bricks are there, nowhere cement fence. Now you see it's all on Ranger and Tonto and MBAs with those kids. And this is me with Becca be decorating a bike. That's the brown house in the background. Jello. No. This isn't James Island again. I think that Phyllis jived in the middle, and revine on Dorsey and I'm not sure who the girl is on the left. Unless his mom and Mrs. Briggs and Mrs. Grant, Mrs. Grant and I'm not sure where that is right but a gas pump garage arch runner Bob's hidden on the new truck

Speaker 2 32:50
at Joe Briggs in coot roll in front of the brown house. That was our cook house after our house burned down the big house burned down we moved up there mom Grace shark with Divina and Arbic Johnson on the far side. He came from Alberta This is someone lovelies now I'm not sure their names the next one if it's in order as here as Jimmy's noticed the hat with the spike on top I'd sure like to have that I think he was in the first world war two

Unknown Speaker 33:32
and this is May Day again on another time. calendar year a different year. Now jump into Hall there's this Patterson store again there and most kids at the end of the war

Speaker 2 33:52
not sure who initiated this guy you're talking to somebody here might know I just us guys. We used to roll rappel down the hill and jump on a sheep. Right oh, we don't from the brown house to this door. A one time we had me and when we first moved there. I'm about four there. Were right no sheep down the hill. And I didn't realize it was one of the newspaper guys was in the lineup. Next thing we know we had her picture in Victoria paper. That's me with a broken arm. The reason I put that in is because of the shows the brown house and Ben brings his house as recommendation on front of their old brown house there. That's all been added on to now I see. Much less Moloch gute rollin. I'm not sure who the guy is in the car. And there you see those two houses were built back in 1940 about so They're still there anything and there's a few more a lot there no much smaller. Dorothy and Bobby

Speaker 2 35:15
mom looking at I thought my parents were old but when we came here when he came, my mum was 24 and he was 26 My dad

Speaker 2 35:33
he just stretched a little there. This is up at Mount Bruce. Forest Green lookout as kids were up there one day with Buzzy maxeon. Mom and Dorothy. This year is down. Down they don't know their logs stopped in operation. This very already tied up into a while ago. out of court it's very common in Sydney going to James Island oh this is Bill Lumley and the two ladies there he had to have special special permission to get on James Island am days because they were where they made the powder as tall after he got his foot smashed and media again at the front of the old hall that porch I don't think John had no job attitude or something there as they're putting on up on the car

Speaker 2 36:47
up look out again went up there for a hike and picnic. Now right behind us down in there that's a cement foundation from the from the big red house. That's me and Walter. Hey in there in front of the art in buzzy me and Dorsey there are the macro Carl natural Glen healed and I was one of the doers but we never did as yours a whole time message here she had a glass balls on the wharf there from the net was back when he was door still. This was our hook tendered as in the high rigor and with good man that neat knew everything about the woods. Goat rolling again in front of the brown house. Our house was shorter. got the nickname of being a boarding house. There was just a lot of people around this year was we think was the start of boxing boxing boxing gloves. We had we parked in the ring Vogel Kennedy and I

Speaker 2 38:12
yeah there you Mr. Tweto I think was the guy cop on here on the island Dan was a provincial cops you know mum died he was gonna die of a heart attack watching us in the ring ski Morrison moment Georgie

Speaker 2 38:41
the media is finally ready to go when they're lining up behind their parade which will be a guide on those days here. We did it on the 24th of May to not any other day at Mrs. Hill darky Hill mom and Mrs. breaks your brown house again this is not only his boat dock no to the dock and this is the school here my brother Bob is far far end on the bottom and I'm right behind him at government Burgoyne school yeah kudos All right. She Gordon Cudmore up there at the far end. Mrs. Is Rick Dagon Jimmy Grace art and time actual

Unknown Speaker 39:37
front of the because we're going school again. Mrs. Hepburn. Great Teacher. Me in the truck. Mum down and ready to go. Broke like I

Speaker 2 40:02
don't know who this is. I don't even know what token is is just had the picture so we had a couple of those that maybe somebody might go in there. I just went off and enjoy breaks up on Ganges wharf. I think it's a time of just about the time that CPR will want us to stop there once in a while Grace starts again. Dorothy Ellen, this is loudspeakers now. They're just getting ready to leave our camp up at my channel up north. They're going fishing while he up there as are some guys coming on leave off ferry or work who are making 40 as it does has come up with a load Yeah, it was great I'm sure are holding that back on a hill scattered again I got my dad coming off. The goons are over by the park. They're over at the park used to have a sawmill there at one time. Just down the road a bit as a Cecil Daikon on our boat Rodney one

Speaker 2 41:32
now this is making me and again the little ones on that on the left. That's the Bings kids. Eric and Betty annoying on this side isn't Awhina this is this is Jimmy's office now that was over there. It looks like it might have been moved up the hill or something because you got stationed and everything is there

Speaker 2 42:00
and it's Kooten I don't know the other guy as you can see the Lone Ranger was still going on

Unknown Speaker 42:13
this is over James Island again. We had New York Post America's ballgame Navy boat anchored there I keep 40 right and forward and forward this is the same day again on the Ganges

Speaker 2 42:38
measures Briggs air now there's another pitcher in a boat now I went too far in the main channel I was are worth it to camp there

Unknown Speaker 43:03
she the old cars wrenches marry them by

Unknown Speaker 43:17
Louise late 30s

Speaker 2 43:26
Ouch in front of the old roundhouse again that's my dad and red cheetah Fulford market down to Florida under this is this Rodney one that we finally ended up having because Tom passed away now that's about it for no pictures. Anyway, it's been an honor to come and talk to you all. And having such a turnout is unbelievable. My wife Rose is the brains of this outfit. So anyway, I guess I'll turn it over to you

Speaker 3 44:36
Well, my name is Gladys Campbell. I was I came to Salt Spring in 1945. Both my parents were raised on Salt Spring My father grew up on Beaver point to where the Rock Park is today. Right on the water. And my mother came here as a youngster and she lived in Ganges in various places. Since they ran the mullets Ganges in boardinghouse through the 30s, I think and my great grandfather was a doctor on the island at that time, Dr. Lawson. So we have a long family history my, I guess the first person to come to the island was my grandfather, WD Patterson, and he came in the 1890s. That's, I grew up here and went to school here. And so my talk today is the time when I was living here. When lens spoke, it was a time of great change on Saltspring. And my time on Saltspring Fulford harbour stayed very much the same through my whole life. The big changes came at the end of my time when I left Saltspring. I want to thank Bob for all the work that she's done to help put this together and actually even asked me to do it because allowed me to spend time reminiscing and we never do that we never stop and think about those old days and brought back a lot of memories that have totally disappeared. But the memories are just that their recollections. There's information various people, I can't say everything is 100%. True. It's how I remember it. I've tried to be as accurate as possible. I got to pull out all boxes of photos and albums and look at things I hadn't looked at in a long time and read a few diaries I hadn't read ever. So I started just reminiscing and putting it all on the computer. And then John looked at it one day and said, you'll be there all day. So I've edited and edited and edited. What was it like and Fulford in the late 40s to the 60s. I've done a few on the prior times. That's the waterworks map showing the main area that we're talking about. I have I've got this right now. If I do it to here, okay, these are just some these are before my time and just some interesting pictures. The house up there the that is where land live, that's where he's talking about where his family lived before it burnt down. And this is the early part of Fulford before there were any fairy morph out the sides. So that was the early times. That's the Joan. Okay, that's another one at the same area showing how little development there was and how empty it was all up to mods point. And there's just what is now Bruce's house in some oil sheds feed sheds there, and the jonin again. And that's a picture of the Joan looking down the bay. It's not very much development unfolded at that time. And this would be probably in the 20s I don't have a good date for that. People coming to visit the boat and looking how everyone is dressed up everybody came to visit to meet the boat, it was a big excitement. This was the store it before it became a store. This would have been back sometime in 1920 or something like that before it became actually a store. And it might have been about what it looked like when my grandfather bought it. The deeds over there city bought at 1930. I have an accounting book that said he bought it in 1927. And he he paid $650 for it. And he rented it out each month January 1 $5 received January or February 1 $5 received because it was rented out as a place for people stay at that time. That is after he had an addition that porch was on there was all filled in and the store was that front section it was probably 10 by 12 a very small area. You can see the old cars of the day and they fixed up the step to the store. So that's probably 1930 He had the addition put on a 1930 and it's still just a simple wharf outback. That's just to show I've thought a whole lot of students are going to be here today I wanted to show them the old cars. You've probably seen those ones before. This is the first snow plow in Fulford and that house in the background is where land was talking that they lived. And there was a fence around it and then there would have been the Cudmore store to the right. And this was a tractor pulling a plow which my dad wrote on the back saying that it wasn't very effective because the tractor packed the snow down. Of course they couldn't plow it, but they tried they had to do whatever they could in those days. That's another picture but that shows Cudmore store in the background which was there at that point. This when, in 1949 My memory this is the store that was there and that was haven't built ins and it was called Full for general store. And I think now I can't remember how much Gordon Cudmore said he bought that, like $1,500 for the store and the stock and everything and ran that store and he ran it for two years. And that's where I waited for the school bus. My first day of school, the school bus came right down there and we stood in the doorway. And it was just great. I could just walk all the way down to Fulford cap school bus. But then that day, they said, We're changing the route. And now the school bus is at the top of the hill. So from then on, we had to walk up the top of the hill to catch the school bus. And it's still the same today. So that was full for general store. That was my grandparents store. And that's the way I remember it. There was a family in the back, they rented the back part and the upstairs was a dwelling and quite often would be an engineer from the ferry that would be renting it. And that time it was Mr. Alexander and he had Steven and Sally and Susan and Scott. And so I used to play with them in the yard. And my parents ran this door in the front. That's the old side pack that I remember from way back and you've probably all seen pictures of that voted held 14 cars. This is the part of my memory. This was a favorite Bay. That was what it looked like before all the changes were made. That was Molot speech at the back. And that was our favorite spot to to swim. They had an orchard up above and the house was up there in the trees. And this was a nice slope. It never got the tide didn't go out that far from the beach. It was shell and pebbles and it was really nice for swimming. And the bay was nice and clean. There were very few boats, those were all just anchored there was no Fisherman's Wharf. And this in front here is in front of where Bruce's house is that was muddy and had barnacles much like you can see today. So we did play there and look for crabs under rocks and everything. But this was a really pretty Bay and the water was nice and clean compared to today. Now I'd hope I haven't was going to mention also that land was talking about logging. By the time my time logging was on the wane. There were lots of people still employed in the logging business that families were moving away and moving to Vancouver Island, but I can still remember hearing the sound of a logging truck dumping its load of logs and and seeing the trucks on the road. And we had the harbor Fulford I believe had nine lockdowns at one time. And what happens when you logged in area, you created the suitable dampers wherever as close as you could to where you're logging. So there's about three along reginal Hale and Morningside and one of the dumps. I walked by on the way to school and would have all the old stuff left, they would leave the dump and then it would gradually grow over. There was also bunkhouses when we talked about the logging shots at the top of orchard. There were two bunk houses that belonged to Mr. Hollings and he had some of his loggers up there that lived up there. And I think they used to eat down in the restaurant. This was the wharf. So it was a very narrow wharf we could walk under the wharf and there were two little islands on the other side where we spent hours as kids playing on those islands. When the tide came in one of them was surrounded by water and the other one had a little neck you could get to so but this was the area where I spent most of my youth playing is on the beach there. This is a later picture but it shows you the motor Princess and the Moto princess came in 1951 and interestingly in my father's diary in 1949, he mentioned going to a meeting at the Fulford General Store to discuss the possibility the ferry being moved to Isabella point.

Speaker 3 54:12
It's been there all this time. I actually stop and think I can imagine all the political ramifications in the late teens. 1920s when the ferry was brought to Fulford I'm sure there must have been discussions of whether it should have been beaver point Ganges. Berg going Isabella point I can just see it now. And the people in Fulford I guess, the people that owned the property at that time, it was a bit of a coup for them to get it into Fulford. It property on Saltspring wasn't in big demand. And my father talked about how at a period of time where nobody wanted it. And it you just pay taxes so unless you had something to use it for it really wasn't much use to you. And so the property that my grandfather ended up purchasing that now we still have in the family. He did it as a favor to someone who really wanted to get rid of this property. Mrs. McBride, her husband passed away she'd moved to Vancouver, and she had this big section of land that she no longer wanted. So she'd come to him and ask him will you buy this property off me and he didn't want it and finally about the third time he said I'll buy it. So if you could get a ferry and some time that was really helpful. This is 1956 I think it is and it shows you Fulford has really, this development all happened in the early 40s. You saw the picture of lands house burnt down, and it became where it now is the store building there. But Mr. Cudmore bought all about land around for again, it was $1,500 and he made 24 Lots and he told me the most expensive one was $500 and that's where the President's store is that piece of property today but he had all up orchard and around that area and up Fulford, Ganges Hill. And when Miss when Len was talking about the brown house, the K Catlins house, it's right there. So that is the old house of that time. And then his main house where he grew up was where the store is today. And then it burnt down

Speaker 3 56:35
this is an aerial photograph. Taken out one is around 1958 Oh, I mentioned I meant to tell you when I was thinking about why we swam in the bay every time I go by stole a lake I think why did we never go to Stoli can swim all the young families go there today. And why did we never go to Jackson speech that we now call drum and park so it gets really warm in there in the water comes up. And then I suddenly remember none of us have mothers that knew how to drive. Because in those days very few women drove so we had to go within walking distance. So that's why that little baby became so important to us. My mother got her license probably in the early 50s. But a lot of women didn't at that time. You mean the barn behind Mrs. Yardley. That's it in the earliest pictures like I don't know who built that. All of the really early pictures that barn was standing there. It's absolutely amazing. And I guess because the aerial gets in it doesn't decompose like a house but I have no idea. Who built that? We don't we were talking about that. We don't know who built that barn. Okay. Something else we had and this this picture is later but in Fulford, we had a playground right beside where Jim Fogarty is Office is and in front of where K Catlins house was. So the there's it's still not developed in this picture. But there was a playground here and it had a big set of swings at the back, a smaller set for children, young little toddlers on the side and a big sandbox. So we don't have any of those things anymore. They've gone. But we spent a lot of time there too.

Speaker 3 58:34
There was another place that we spent as children was sort of like a rec center garden Cudmore had started a house and it's up past the barn to the right of this picture. And he had built a foundation. And he had just left it for many years. So we would go skating and we'd run along the walls but the Hollings has had a little cement walkway from their house to the road. It's the only place I know of that have a cement walkway. It's like being in the city. And so they had roller skates that they could go back and forth on the walkway where we take them and we'd go up and we'd use this foundation that was there for probably six or eight years before garden got around to building a house so we would spend our time rollerskating in that area. You'd have to make do that was our rec center. The restaurant down at the bottom part. The Fulford general store in 1951 became Mary Gershwin's snack bar. She and her husband and her mother moved into that building and they lived there just like the cut. Morris had lived in there as a store. They had living quarters down below on a little house to the side. And she would produce one meal a day. So you'd have the fishermen would come in and they could have a meal and maybe the loggers in the bunk house. And I think the bunkhouse is probably would be gone in this picture but it would have been these two bunk houses up there for the loggers that otherwise Fulford really hasn't changed that much. There's no fire hall yet in this picture, the fire hall relator would go in this area. There was a boat ways here where people could bring their boat and a large boat and bring it up for painting. What else this is a little building that was five where the gas pumps are today we're Bruce has his gas pumps. And so that was sort of a business separate from the garage back here was run as a garage, Mr. Fuse garage and Ronnie Lee worked in there, he ran that business. And you can see these are the islands that I talked about. Can't see them very well. But we used to play by the hour on those islands. And these were sheds feed shed. The feet originally came into salt spring on big barges that would come into Ganges and then my father would drive to Ganges Get a load of feet and store it in that ship. This shed here was an oil shed. Patterson store used so Imperial oil and Gavin Bilton and Alan McManus ran this and that was Shell Oil and of course shale eventually put their big tanks in over here before they put the tanks and shell would bring their barge in here and they'd roll the tanks, these big drums up and they stored it here. For us the the Imperial oil barge would come in about once a month into the wharf here, and they would fold my dad ahead and they'd say, the barge will be in Wednesday afternoon. And so Wednesday and Sundays were his days off, so he would keep it he'd normally have to stay around, and he would stay home and work in the garden. And then the barge would make this special toot whistle as it came in. He would know it was in and he'd run down. And you would have to roll these great big 40 gallon gasoline barrels up the wharf into their gas shed their or and to fail they had it's still standing today the old gas pump. And the amazing thing is that held 10 gallons and people would come in and they would get one gallon of gas and that would last them for I guess those cars you didn't drive very much. And I guess the engines weren't very powerful. So you could go a long time on one gallon. And so the markings on the pump would take 10 And you would let it down to it says nine gallons and you'd stop it's all very how well you judge with your I guess. And then when it emptied you had to pump it and Bruce can tell you about his he used to be get roofs out of the way go pump the gas get busy. So anyways, that's an interesting time to think now that people what do you put in a car now like 40 gallons or anyways, those are some of the differences of that time. Don't see carrier lineups in that picture. But the ferry there you have a new dock it used to be a single lane. So this is after the motor Princess started where they put the two dogs in and you could line up along the far side of the dock. And then you could have the side pack and the motor princess could be docked in there but that is before it doesn't look like the Fisherman's Wharf is built at this time yet. Okay. This is where the changes began. This is the end of the 60s beginning of the 70s. You can see that les Molot he subdivided his property. So the piece over here that his parents had lived on a couple from the United States bought it and they put in a marina. So this was all dredged out. And that's where the roamers have their arena today. And this part here, we still don't have the Southridge in there the school but this is less small, its property. And it's beginning of sunny sunny side, sunny side of the hilltop and so used to not calling these roads by their needs. And his he built a house at the top of the hill and there's houses in here. And this was all developed. So this was the beginning of the big changes in Fulford and this was at the end of what about the time I left Fulford also at that time reginal Hill was being developed. And I was there anything else? I can't see anything else? Much of change there. That's the beginning of putting in the ferry war. The islands are gone. You can see the islands were very special to me and that that's tragic. This is reginal hill before beginning the road. And this was actually, to me a very good development because this was you couldn't get out there, there was a logging road that went part way out to a dump. And then beyond that was brush and as a youth, we tried to walk out there and walk along the beach as far as we could and then take the hillside it was an all day journey and our tells me that there was a group in the Fulford that specified that this subdivision although it was a strata title type thing, they had to be Make the Road accessible to the people of Fulford, and they had to have a park. And I really thank the people that did that. Because that is such a nice walk out there today. And it would be just awful if that was gated. We, I think a lot of people enjoy that area. Now we actually can still walk out to the reserve, but to walk up to the reserve, we did it once in my lifetime, it was just too difficult through that area.

Speaker 3 1:06:17
I've skipped all over and I've left out a whole lots of things. This is the fire hall. I was going to talk to you about another thing and Fulford what did we do all the time? What was the activities for young people? Well, Mrs. Mod, the wife of Captain mod, she formed the Christopher club. And we used to go every Saturday during the summer. And we would take these broom handles with nails in the end, and we would pick up all the debris left by the ferry traffic going up the road. Now, they didn't have all the paper cups that we have today. But we had a lot more cigarette boxes and wrappers and that type of thing. So we would go and we would do our little cleanup and then we'd go back at first was to her house and we'd have our little meeting and our juice and cookies and play games and then later across the road on their property a building became available and we have a clubhouse. So we belong to the Christian rock club. Then she decided that we all needed to learn to swim. We all lived on the waterfront. But you know the oceans really cold. There was no swim fans as you read, most of you would remember you had nothing done to help you swim, all you can find is a lock. So most of us didn't know how to swim. And a lot of the adults Len was telling me in spite of all the time he spent in the logging booms, he never learned to swim. And my father was the same he spent his whole life on the ocean. And through Hurricane Freda and all the big storms that came into Fulford, he and other men would run down and they be on the pilings, throwing lines on to secure the ferry so that it didn't wash away. They never wear life jackets. They never knew how to swim. So Mrs. Mod was determined that we were going to learn to swim. So first she took us down to her Beach, which was really shady and we all froze to death and we didn't get very far. So then she made a deal with Mrs. Hepburn and Mrs. Hepburn had a pond at her place at that pond. So we would track all the way up to Mrs. heparins and it was really nice if Mrs. Hepburn to allow us to go up there and we would try there but it's a long trip out of Fulford after you've picked up all the papers and things to go up and swimming at Mrs. Hepburn's so then she built a pond on her point she built a saltwater pond on mods point. And we finally I think we all learn to swim so I have to thank her for that. That was she was a very community minded lady. She used to keep flower boxes down on the ferry wharf and in front of the store and my grandmother and Mrs. Diana Mrs. Maga take turns watering them and keeping the boxes to beautify Fulford. Another lady that I'd like to mention to you've heard of the Bessie Dane society, Mrs. Dane was a very big part of Fulford. She lived up the hill across from roamers and she was a retired nurse and her husband was a engineer on the ferry and Mrs. Dane was one of those ladies that visited all the shot hands. And she would bring soup if you were no older people weren't well, even the old pensioners, we had pensioners around the head of the harbor, who used to spend their pension check long before the end of the month. And if they needed soup or they got sick, she'd be over there. So it's really apropos that we have this Bessie Dane group because they're carrying on her work. Now

Speaker 3 1:09:34
what else did we do? I think that's pretty well, all that I have to say, Oh, I know what people did in those days. What did they do in their free time? Well, in the 40s My parents were card players and I think in the winter they played two or three nights a week at Friends places in private homes. That was very big and badminton Saltspring had badminton groups all over the island. Then they would play several nights a week. They played at Beaver point or Fulford and they'd have big tournaments in the spring was central and Ganges. That all sort of declined when the TV came in, and the TV came in and the 50s and suddenly people were, you know, watching Ed Sullivan and I Love Lucy and those types of things went into decline. I badminton started up again on Beaver point when I was in my teens and I did play badminton then. The card parties, they were formal card parties, they have a point every second Saturday night and summon Fulford Hall. And these were intergenerational, like when I went to them, there were people of all ages, I'd be in my teens. And there was the Halton families who some of the members, you had to use sign language. And so you'd learn to play cards and you'd learn some same sign language. And it was really nice having this wide variety of generations and the same with the dances. There were a lot of dances then I have to say the Fulford Hall committee and the Women's Institute, were a very active group and we had new year's dances. We had may 24 dances and as Len said, May 24 was a big day, we would have a pray for people who have prizes for decorating your bikes and the float was decorated with the May Queen. And then we had all sorts of field events and races and that type of thing. And then in the evening, we had a big dance, the dances, the liquor wasn't allowed in any of the halls so you could go and as a teenager right up to in their 80s and everybody included everybody, it was really a nice experience. We had old country dancing, which I didn't appreciate as much then we learned all these dances and it wasn't until years later when John and I went to a Scottish country dancing class and I said hey, I've done all of this you know I learned this already because we learned all these reels and Lily Marlene and shouty send all that was just part of life. And they took some some square dancing the heparins had a private square dancing in there. They had a house of room built for square dancing. This was sort of part of life. It was very active. We had Christmas there was Christmas parties for the children which we have now with breakfast with Santa but they used to have that for the children. They had great Halloween parties, costume parties, and then of course the Halloween fireworks right across the road either in increments field or shots feel those were all part of our events. And the parents were really busy doing all the repair many people on saucepan at that time these people worked really hard to make these things happen. We also had fishing derbies, and Fulford and they had them at Ganges and of course, that's a different era too. We don't have any fish anymore, but we used to have a derbies of probably three or four derbies on the island at that time and prizes for the biggest salmon caught. Now I was expecting there was going to be students here and so I geared a little bit tips you think how did Patterson store that little we store provide provisions for so many people they used to do deliver groceries as far as sometimes Blackburn Lake, ala Isabella point out gave her point. But in those days, none of us had the selection of food we have today anywhere even if he went to Victoria, and everybody had little plots of land. They all grew a few vegetables. I mean, some people have big gardens and others have smaller gardens. And if people ate venison, they had fish. They had seafood, you know, clams and oysters. And so the store carry very little meat. It had mainly staples, flour, sugar, one kind of bread, but three kinds of cookies and some butter, that type of thing. And we had a creamery the shores, of course, delivered milk so the store didn't have to worry about that. So somebody could phone up an order, say I want a can of beans. Well, there was only one variety and one size so you didn't was very easy. So that's why that little we store managed to work for so long. And 1951 When my grandparents moved from Isabella point into the back of the store, they increased the storage area, so that they still had that front small piece, but they had another room for storage. But it's so different today. You couldn't do it anymore. Another little thing in the diaries, I didn't realize that food rationing went on so long after the war. So there was a note in the diary that I think it was in 49 that sugar rationing ended and the next day my father went to town and got a ton and a half of sugar to bring. I guess that was a big event. Think that's probably covered everything I was going to cover. The biggest change I think from my time is the demographics. While we had about 12 students, even when I started school catching the bus and about 12 when I finished I think probably when Bruce went you'd be hard pressed to find 12 people under the age of 40 now in the expanded area that we have is Fulford village. So it's really changed there were a lot of young families Young people with little babies right through to elderly people. So that's the biggest change. And now I'd like to turn it over to Bruce to tell a little bit about his time Thank you.

Speaker 4 1:15:37
You Yep, that's me. Probably late 60s. And that was probably one of the last times we actually held that event. When this is my dad died. It pretty much petered out after that, Mrs. Horse stalls in front of their curl kitchens over there. Not sure who's back over there, though. But we're at scouts. We were supposed to wear a uniform to show that we were scouts doing good deeds. Actually, we went to school there was what there was good scout dance school. So all the brownies and scouts and whatever all wore their uniforms to school to show that they were part of the scouting troop. So I was born in 1958. for Father's Day, and I'm told I was the first boy born to lead a mental hospital, late mental was just been built at that time. So my memories of Fulford are pretty much kind of started around the early to mid 60s. The old store I live in now was still in existence. The old gas pump and McCloud has said My grandfather was sent me out they can give me away from his hair and pump up the gas and I was so small, I have to push the one side and go the other side and push it to the other side there but it kept me busy and and I remember, I think was Fred Hall. He's a logging truck coming down there and draining that 1010 gallon tank a few times. And anyway, can I also remember when we fueled up the fuel bars came in and they ran a hose up the middle of Fulford into the tank. And then we had another big tank sitting on into the cherry tree and it would run the hose over there fill up the fill up that tank, but you wouldn't run a hole was the middle of your footprint anymore. And I guess what I'm really here to talk about was basically my memories of growing up as a kid in village because Bovard hasn't really changed since probably the mid 60s When we moved the store from where it was where I live to where it is now. That was part of the biggest change in the village. And after that the village hasn't really changed. I mean the buildings that are that were there when I was a kid are still there. They do different functions. And they look a little different. But there's Fulford village is pretty much the same thing. You know, the Borough Hall is now Morningside Cafe, and yet looks a little hard, but you still see the original building where Jim 40s offices, I do believe that would be grounds for its office because when I was a kid, that's what it looked like. And Percy Jones was the postmaster. And that's where the post office was. And the building word jumble IRA is now that was our fuel storage building. And we stored all our fuel in there as the drums in bulk fuel and the stores. So as we well know the original floor is still there. It's hasn't really changed that much the restaurant, when let us renovated that five or six years ago, that up until then it's still kind of looked the way it was all through my childhood and restaurant. My mom used to open it up and maybe weekend and she would close it down on Thanksgiving and it was the seasonal operation then rest the time it sat empty. Until next fall we may but as a kid we didn't have a whole lot of organized events. Fulford was was far away from from Ganges were mostly events were being held. We went with the Washington School Bus, and the bus picks up at 730 in the morning. School started at 810 and vice versa climb back again. And as a group, we'd all gather together and I'll walk walk the school together and all the shenanigans the kids that we all did this we're going to school and other not May the weekend I saw the end of the media events and then it got moved the Ganges says as an activity down south that kind of stopped the cleanups. I ended up with Mrs. Mod died and we stopped kind of doing that the scouts. I was near the end of the scouts when so that was mid late 60s. The scouts offered first Scout Troop back then Once again there's just wasn't enough kids and and people lost interest and so they all got moved the Ganges and whenever they got moved the Ganges it's kind of has died out completely in the south end for us rollerskating and I was actually going to

Speaker 4 1:20:22
roller skates on and do a couple of laps around the hall here and show you guys my my skill at roller skating both afraid I probably fall and break my neck and anyway and also mark up the floor but roller skating was our biggest activity when we were kids. Fulford Hall was the main social recreational center of the south end. I mean, we didn't have a whole lot we didn't we had didn't have any soccer fields. We had some baseball fields. But other than that rollerskating and Fulford Hall was a roll, Rick. I mean, on Saturday, we played hockey Saturday morning, the different teams. And then Saturday afternoon was public skating. And we all went skating Saturday afternoon, Sunday afternoon, late Sunday afternoon, Sunday evening, once once again, hockey. And Monday night I believe was public adult skating. And all through the week. There will be teams playing hockey, basically there was there was three teams, three different leagues. There was South End, Ganges and north end. No roller hockey roller roller skates, and actually, they were family were probably the real movers and shakers when it came to the sport the south end. I don't sure I think Bob Baker had purchased only these skates all the equipment and provided it for the hall. And we had the music thing in the middle of the hall that played music when we're skating and we'd have the little signs and backwards couples only, you know, whatever. And we do all that all Saturday afternoon. When it came to hockey, I can remember I was eight years old when I started playing hockey and going through there and telling my dad I needed a hockey stick. Of course dad didn't know what hockey stick really was you know, so you gotta be a hockey stick about two feet too long. And carry acre and kind of took me under his wing and said you better come up to the house. So came up to the house went down into their magical basement and there was all those all those hockey stuff out there and all this hockey skates and whatever and roller skates and and we're digging through all the stuff there and carry giving me this pair of boots gates with his great big wooden wheels and and then taking the hockey stick and measuring me in a slot off about two feet off a hockey stick and give me my first hockey shirt. And Fulford Bruins. And off we went and trouble with wooden wooden roller skate wheels if you took a puck to the wheel and broke your wheel in half. And so he went for three frequent wheel changes, and then eventually went to a little stronger wheel and eventually we went to the rubber wheels. But Fulford Hall was our, every Saturday, all the kids would all be over there, roller skating or playing hockey or whatever. And that went on. And there was like I said, there was there was three leagues. And then there was three teams, there was nine teams. And then there was a Soltis, which was kind of the older kids and they played off Island teams there was actually a roller hockey league, and a lot of ice hockey teams play roller hockey when nice wasn't there, so they go off and play hockey and all those guys. And so I there were so I stopped I left when I was 18. So, so I played for 10 years and it was still carried on for a while longer after that. But of course, it was a little problematic with monitors floors. Skinning was really tough and Mars Lord God knows how much monitors I inhalable rules 10 years so we take the first right off the floor, very quick order. And in that kind of petered out, but that was our main activity as kids I mean, other than that we hung out in the dock wooden dock was just magical place we spent all the times out and full word. And the big thrill was dare each other to stand under the wooden dock when the ferry was unloading all the old wooden planks with an island shake and we all be and especially the big trucks came over, we'd all be quivering with fear. But you know, and of course, with not many houses, I mean, they pass the Maximals house on the top side of Morningside road. There was no house. So reginal Hill was a huge playground for us. We were up there building forts and tromping around and a maximum field was our playground. We played all our sports down there. We did have our baseball games. We played soccer down there we played high jumping out there in the bay itself, but we never spend with Fulford and like I said, going to Jackson's beach or Durban Park was way too far away. So we also have now the Madison's Beach, it was all boathouse down there and we all play around down there and we build our rafts later on, we have boats, we don't have around our little Seagull ages in the back of the boats and in horse around with that, and then we got bicycles, and then bicycles allowed us to go to school late because that was within our distance. And as things evolved, and far as mobility when we moved further out, but we were on our own because usually, your mother would be at home doing the mother stuff, and your dad would be off doing the dad stuff. So as the kids we were pretty much you know, get out the door back the sooner you get out the door less probability you're gonna get stuck with chores. So getting out the door was kind of the first mission the day was getting out the door and be gone. So and that kind of evolved it Fulford has kind of evolved to where it is now. The buildings like I said, haven't really changed. That use is just have changed. The ferry terminal has gotten huge compared to when I grew up. It was still the wooden dock. And then we built the new terminal. And then we got the ball and Queen and then they expanded the bowling queen. And then we had that until recently and then we got to get a queen, but yeah, forward is pretty much the same. Anyway, that's me