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The Akerman Family

Robert Akerman (1912-)

This tape is part of the Salt Spring Island Historical Society Collection and comprises an address to its members.

Mr. Akerman, with the help of Ivan Mouat and Manson Toynbee talks about the pioneer families of Akerman and Gyves, and others who settled in the Burgoyne Valley in the 1860s-1880s.

Accession Number 989.031.025 Interviewer Salt Spring Island Historical Society
Date February 13, 1990 Location Central Hall
Media tape Audio CD mp3
ID 3B Detailed Tape Guide yes
Topic The Akerman Family Restrictions none




Unknown Speaker 0:00
really needs an introduction to people's desires. But however, I'll tell you a little bit about him anyway. He was born in Fulford and educated that Virgo in school, the old forgotten school. He was a farmer. He was a logger. He was a cougar Hunter. But I think perhaps his greatest contribution to this island, and it's a continuing one, it says a great sportsman, and a great sort of supporter of all sports activities. You just have to name anything. Any sports has ever taken place on Saltspring. Bob has had a role in helping it, helping it encouraging it, certainly the south of the island, roller hockey, softball, bat baseball, you would just name it. Bob has had something to do with it. And he still continues at interest. And also, of course, he has lived on the island a few years and he's here to tell us a little bit about what he puts. He can about the early days Saltspring in particular, so Salzburg what we've set up a program sort of and maybe varied but Matson and I are going to ask him questions and he gets tired of answering him if he can do something else, by the way. You mentioned about the numbers are here. Here. Bob Aikman, one of the things that will come out in this afternoon I think is a bob is related to a lot of families on the on. I think he just got his relatives here today. That's Do you want to start off?

Unknown Speaker 1:32
Bob, your grandfather was Joseph Hagerman, an early pioneer in the Burger King Valley. Can you tell us a little about him?

Unknown Speaker 1:40
Yes. He was born in Turkey can both share England and 1838 He left England in 1855. He was 17 years old. On a sailing ship, find most he worked in Victoria and mostly a New West Minister loading lumber on the sailing ships that used to travel around the world in those days. He was trying to make enough money to buy some land and didn't have any money when he was 17 years old. But he saved a bit of money and 1860 he the into the Fulford area in the valley, and he took up 350 acres in the valley. And he built himself a small log cabin and cleared some land. And those days you could get land if you cleared it preempted. It's called preemption you can clear the land take down the trees burnin. And if you could get enough cleared then you could lay claim to it. But he had himself a small patch where he used to grow vegetables and things and then he he he was in Victorian 1862 when the bride ship, Robert Lowe landed from England

Unknown Speaker 3:32
and he met my grandmother, Martha clay from Leicestershire, England, and they were they were married by Reverend Matthew McPhee and they moved to Salt Spring in 1883. And built a traveler's wrist was the first hotel in star in that area. And they raised eight children.

Unknown Speaker 4:08
Fanny was the oldest girl. Joe was next one. When there was that as Uncle Joe had he found Uncle Joe. And he Tilly had he Martha, Ted who was my dad, Jim, my uncle, Tom and uncle and Bill and uncle. And ferret Fanny married. Joe Nightingale, who was a cousin of Florence heard about a lady with a lamp I think it was and Joe married tine Horrell who the old family the Charlie Horos and And then after she died years ago then he married he married Amy James who was Jack James's sister Jack has passed away now that he lived at the service and the James has had a the old the Fernwood farms and they raised these to raid his garden seeds and sell them was sold them all over the sea I guess. And till he married to the ship right Mr. Wallace from Vancouver. Martha married Mr. Cartwright. Still Cartwright's on the island here. That was the first husband. Then later on. He died and she married Bill Paige who Bill page was, he worked remote brothers for years, years and years. He worked from North brothers. They lived on Rainbow Road. Tad my dad, married, married Ellen Gize. I'll tell you more something about Mike Giles later on.

Unknown Speaker 6:30
By the way, Val Jaya is with me. She's down at the back there. She's a cousin of mine. And her father was Mike. Then it was Jim, Marita and Cameron from Scotland. Tom married me Urquhart. And Bill was a bachelor. I got about the the anchorman coming family.

Unknown Speaker 7:01
Let's Bob Devine. We just go back on that a little bit. Okay. Francis, the oldest of your grandfather's children your oldest sound Fanny. Yes. And she married Nightingale. Joe Nightingale. Nightingale Joe Nightingale had a daughter Martha Isabel Knightdale. who married Gilbert mote that is that relates to

Unknown Speaker 7:25
Joe Joseph, Mary Tina hora. Okay, the old family. Molly buried away from the island. The Martha married Cartwright's. And the current breaks it was basil Cartwright, and this was er Carter and I think she married was yes, yes. And so that in other words that would make you and Peter Cartwright is your cousin's second. And she married later Bill Paige, of course. And your father married Ellen jives? That's right. And I thought Jim, your Uncle Jim married Mrs. Carr, who was a widow.

Unknown Speaker 8:08
I know there was I think it

Unknown Speaker 8:11
she she was oh, she was she married. Mrs. Carmen had a daughter it Yeah. I got confused. Okay. And Tom, your Uncle Tom married widow. Who had four children, four children. One was Jimmy or car. Okay. These are names that we lived in the island. Okay, thanks. Where did the Where did these various huncles and can we go to the game? Where did they live in the island? Your uncle your Francis Nightingale.

Unknown Speaker 8:49
Francis. They bought they bought the farm which was the reed trout firm after the read Tom Reed farm. And then the Roger Hughes bought it and they turned it into a dairy. Now some people from Europe have bought it and they're fixing it all.

Unknown Speaker 9:13
In other words, the old read farm was a nightmare.

Unknown Speaker 9:16
That's the for that they cleared that land.

Unknown Speaker 9:19
The Joseph, your, your Uncle Joe Joseph Inkerman. He lived he lived.

Unknown Speaker 9:25
He lived. He bought the farm right across from there, which is the old Charlie Molot farm. And now it's some open farm. Yes. It's right across from the little, little Methodist Church. Little white one. Is there another area and didn't even look and then he moved to the north end to Walker's hook. Yeah, that's moving out there as he bought. He bought a farm there. He lived there and worked for the James brothers. He was road Foreman to forgotten couldn't me yours. And then he worked the James brothers on the scene.

Unknown Speaker 10:00
time and we were discussing this I think about the road Foreman rather than interesting and we don't mind me sidetrack. But it just so happened that road for Foreman changed here in Saltspring. They used to every time the government changed. For instance, Joseph Baker Minh was the road Foreman whenever the Liberal government is in power. And then as soon as that was done with and the conservatives came in, then Harry Caldwell was wrote for us. And that was for the north end, but I think your father is much more enduring. He served both Cindy said we know we won't mention the reasons

Unknown Speaker 10:44
James, Jack, Jack's your Uncle Joe. married my oh

Unknown Speaker 11:00
yeah, her name was Amy, Amy, Amy and Amy. Yes. Oh, that that was Jack's. Oh, I see. I've got that wrong. Sorry.

Unknown Speaker 11:21
Thank you. Thank you

Unknown Speaker 11:34
Bob, could you tell us about Joseph ecoman and the development of his land in the valley the orchards daring except for the police there?

Unknown Speaker 11:43
Yeah, well. Joe when the when they got back to Ireland in 1883. They built a traveler's wrist which was the first hotel and star in that area where weather coverage was That's the name of the hotel

Unknown Speaker 12:01
where it was could you position it in the valley? Well is that is

Unknown Speaker 12:15
it's across the creek anyway across the valley Creek and it's on the left hand side going towards Fulford and this just passed what the call Jones wrote I don't know if anybody remembers Jones road is but it's halfway down the valley and it's to the left and it's in the still standing in there. It's still standing but it's not in very good condition right now. It was built a square logs, the logs were in those days, they hid them square and they built them and built them square and they didn't keep them round or square it off. And that's how it was built and it was a basement and three storeys quite a large place. And after they built it there was a lot of people coming through looking for land and those days to settle. And of course we didn't have too many boats traveling in those days so they used to stay up the Travelers Rest like overnight or a couple of nights to get the next vote whenever come in. And there's not very many votes coming in actually but the mostly by canoe they used to travel. But anyway, they that's where they stayed and travelers dressed I guess served his purpose and that little star there and people from from outlying areas used to come in and get their groceries there. And in those days they used to there was a lot of game in those days. A lot of venison, blue gross. And the Indians used to come in a lot with venison and Blue Grouse and he would he would cure it. Do you care the venison? I think he would. I'm not sure I didn't assault him I guess. And then he had shipped into Victoria. And he made quite a bit of money that way. Indians made money to to buy groceries I guess. Because me and he was a gardener. He was a credit gardener and he he he planted a lot of trees used to send England proceed like Holly seen and maybe I've heard now say it but he's he brought the broom here to what they call a FERS it's like a broom only it's it's prickly horse and he brought a lot of things like fruit slike metallers I don't know if you've ever heard of metallers but this is something you eat after they're after they get wrapped and you eat them and they're very they're very good. Different apples and he had a quite a showplace there. And in the early days

Unknown Speaker 15:22
lot of the early settlers from Ganges I used to travel down by horse and rig, horse and buggy and visit visit, visit his place because it was a showplace like Mr. Bullock, he used to come down with a party every once in a while, have a picnic there. And

Unknown Speaker 15:43
he had a family he had his big family, too, I guess they helped. After they got a little older, they helped to clear the place and fix them fix it up. And he built a big barn he built this barn was 100 and 100 feet long. 60 feet wide. And they got along very well. They must have got along they raised to a children's so they got along pretty good.

Unknown Speaker 16:10
You said earlier when we're talking with you, man tonight we're talking. He first of all, he was across from his first sort of property in Salt Spring, or did he just stay there was in the shadow the moment they moved across.

Unknown Speaker 16:23
Now that is when he first came. I mentioned it here when he first came in. And 60. In 62, I guess there's 60 What is 61 or 62? I could be a year or two out here. And either way. I think it was 62. And he moved on the other side of the valley under the mount Bruce side. And he found it. He found it too shady there in the wintertime. The sun or go down early. So then when he got married and came up in, in, in, in 63. He he moved across onto the sunny side of the valley. And that's where he

Unknown Speaker 17:10
built the farm. And that's where the 350 acres were.

Unknown Speaker 17:12
Yes. And I'd went up in the mountains. We're friends.

Unknown Speaker 17:18
We're friends. If anybody's looking

Unknown Speaker 17:23
French's house

Unknown Speaker 17:24
was Oh yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah. After, after Tom. Tom had It was left to Tom Hagerman and he died. And then the widow sold it to Mr. French, from England. And he stayed there raised a family. And after he got too old to look after it, he sold it to my son Ted. So my Ted, my son Ted owns it now. And he he farms but there's not too much money made on the farming these days. And that's why the valley is not like it used to be at one time when the the old timers were to there. Everybody was farming. They all had few cows, horses, chickens, ducks, geese, you name it, they had it and but nowadays, just can't make it the younger people can make more money working on the fairies or working on hydro or somewhere so they just the young people they just haven't got it too much interest in farming. But Ted, actually right now he's quite interested in Christmas trees. He has the the hydro right away from across Galliano Island, which is about two and a half or three miles long, and 100 and some feet wide. And he's he's trimming trees on that right away and he has 1000s and he's selling. He sold several 1000 Last year in Vancouver. And I think from now on, he'll be doing that so he'll be able to, you'll be able to get along, I'm sure. But the other boys, my other boys, Patty's. He's in that business too. And he's also in the butcher business. He's a butcher by trade. And he does a lot of cutting and wrapping for people on the island that has had made they might have a steer or some lambs or something and he will take them, pick them up, take them down butcher them, cotton wrap and for them So I guess

Unknown Speaker 20:09
from the earliest days, was there always a trail from this area of the island? Well, was it possible for bullets to come down with

Unknown Speaker 20:22
me well, it was just it was said later on after my grandfather came a few years after that, there was a wagon road put in. To Ganges not quite where it is now. Just to send different weather we used to go over the Dubai what to call divide, and above Blackburn sleet

Unknown Speaker 20:45
I would think was supposed to be the 1880s before it was rotated,

Unknown Speaker 20:48
I think so maybe 18 in the 1880s. They put the trough did come down. Not because they had they did they must have had a little store here too. At that time the store was stored

Unknown Speaker 21:13
college gadgets because it was too much out of the way. So they call it evil and was hooked. And then they call me. To gadget was really formed about matching. Everything moved from Central Stores until

Unknown Speaker 21:37
Oh, yeah, one thing I was going to ask I haven't got down here. But one thing we were talking about is the different buildings that were fulfilled in the white Lodge, the White House and so on. And you mentioned the first public house in Fulford was

Unknown Speaker 21:53
the Wat Rogers a saloon and that was on that same site that was on the same site as a full featured image. And the next one was the White House on the same site, and that was built by a chap and a Mr. Mr. blandy. And he had a star and took in boarders there too. And that was that was sold to Mrs. Collington from West Vancouver. Who fix a fix it up and at a store in a pub there. It burnt down and then they they built the

Unknown Speaker 22:51
the white watch the white lodge Yeah, eton's have the Eagles have the that's right after bland here right. After landing. That's right Aiden's and then he moved to Ganges and he was postmaster here for years. Mr.

Unknown Speaker 23:11
Popper you can?

Unknown Speaker 23:12
That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 23:14
And then, and then the Clintons were after him. And

Unknown Speaker 23:17
then the college was after him. Yeah, I was ahead of myself.

Unknown Speaker 23:23
And then that was burned down.

Unknown Speaker 23:27
That was burned down. And then another one was the white Lodge. The white Lodge was built by a chap and Emma Kennedy and then changed hands several times. And the one that had the last one had had was Mr. Kingsley from Shawnigan Lake, Mr. Kingsley. And he was there when it burnt down. And then it was idle for quite a number of years. I think Mrs. Lachman

Unknown Speaker 24:03
owned it. hotdog stand,

Unknown Speaker 24:06
a hotdog stand or something. And then on to the this president owners now raised smart, more smart and to record Jerry Morton,

Unknown Speaker 24:21
and that was about 1977 and 78. Okay, thank you. One more here, Bob. Your mother was Ellen Gize. And her father was Mike chives. And her mother was a couch and Indian princess. She must have told you much about the early days. Could you tell us something about her?

Unknown Speaker 24:43
Well, maybe I can. I can just tell you about Mike jives. He left Ireland in 1855 to he was I think 18 years old. And two brothers live in New York. To one of them went down one still in New York one went down to the mines he worked in the as a HardRock. Miner down and in the mines. My grandfather Mike and Valens grandmother, my grandfather, he, he joined the American army, and in about 18. About 1860, I guess, in New York, and he traveled across across the continent escorting covered wagons, the covered wagons are coming across and those days into Oregon and ghost himself. He was with the American army at that time under

Unknown Speaker 25:57
superior officer was a chap by the name of pagans. And he was with them for us all together six years with them, but they got into to Portland, Oregon. And about I think it was 18. A Team 60. And they ordered them up to two San Juan Islands, because they were having they were having trouble over the line. And so they came to the San Juan Islands and landed there and 1818 59.

Unknown Speaker 26:45
And he told me one time that they were, they had their cap on the south end. And

Unknown Speaker 26:58
the British show they found out to the bitter said we're going to land at the north end. So he was us, regimental Sergeant Major. And he got a couple of his boys together, and the commanding officer says, you get up there and get that flag on a beach. They're gonna land there tonight. So they traveled all night. And they got their butts before daylight, and he put the American flag on the beach, and they woke up when the when the daylight came, there was two there was to worship, so just out there, but they hadn't landed, I guess. And when they saw that they came in and asked him what they were doing. And he says, Well, we've we've had orders to take this for the, for the Americans. And so they talked it over and the but that time the the other officers from the south end were up and they they talked it over with the British and they went back to Victoria and anyway, they settled it from the end. But I think the whole thing started over somebody shooting a pig. That's how it started. But then after that the they got the Keiser, William to look on the map and say where the line will be. And he put it down to the street. Now Mike, then he moved over to what back to Victoria. And he met a another Irishman, John maxvill. And they went to Barkerville. Looking for gold, Parker was a gold rush there. And he said he didn't do he didn't get any gold, but Maxwell did pretty well. So anyway, they came back and Maxwell said he was going to take some land up on Saltspring. So he thought he'd come over to so he came over just after 1860 64, I think. And he built himself a log cabin. And it's just back where the fire hall is now the log cabin, just back where the fire hall is. And he took up 300 And some acres in that area too. And the Indians were camping at the Santa gingers are camping at Fulford Harbor on the couch and Indians were camping at Burger and vape. And the lot they have a line. There's a little creek that crosses the valley and that was the line between the couch and Indians on one side and Saanich on the other. And they were friendly. They were friendly. They were all Salish and They used to cross down through grandfather drives his property. And he used to invite them in and give them tea and buy to cook and have bread and things for them. And they got along very, very well with the Indians. And my grandmother told me that she was a little girl, she used to come down to the valley and and visit the, the, the, the sandwich Indians that fall for it sometimes stay overnight and come back through again leaves to cross through grandfather's place. And so after my grandmother, she I think she was about 1718 at the time and guess, grandfather, he was in his early, early 20s. And I guess he maybe asked the chief if he could have a third wife. So chief, he says fine. They were married. Who was Alan? Mike, my uncle and married my hand and

Unknown Speaker 31:33
my dad lived next door. And he when he left the farm, he was after clearing land for many years. He worked on the he worked on the pile drivers and they build wars around the Gulf Islands. He worked for a chap by the name of Al rains and they had a small pile driver. And they built waters around the islands and up as far as mosquito island I think it was and then he came back. He was married and 98 at 98 and cleared his farm. And then in 1905, he was made road foreman. I think at the same time he was made justice of a piece and he was Secretary of the school board transport pure and no one else. Everything was there. And but the only element he was a fire ranger to fire warden but the only thing that paid money was the Road Farm and when he worked, when he worked, they paid him but the others didn't pay any money. He just had the business volunteer work that he was wrote for him and for over 45 years. And just as a piece and then he was hurt quite badly. Hit for the truck. In 48 I think it was 4050 something like that. And he didn't go back to work again after 15 he was hurt. And he raised he raised five and a family there was my oldest sister Molly. Dorothy the next one. Kelly who is down with me today. Jim my brother who is in White Rock. Kelly, by the way nursed and the the old lady middle hospital on the hill there for good many years. How many how many years have you worked in the hospital tell me I imagined 20 years and Val, my cousin there. She worked at a children's hospital in Portland for how many years? 3020 20 years. And she worked in St. Joseph Victoria to I don't know I'm maybe I'm way ahead of myself or behind.

Unknown Speaker 34:52
The other children of Mike Jive then one was Mrs. Brenton was married. That's right. Sure. And then there's like married

Unknown Speaker 35:02
like, married an old time family from the north end hotspots for Carrie Cosford.

Unknown Speaker 35:14
Perhaps Bobby might stop for a minute and see if there any questions. Anybody has any questions?

Unknown Speaker 35:18
Okay, I can answer them. One of my memories is soccer matches between gadgets are you involved with some of those? Okay. Oh yes, I was in the early days in around the turn of the century, there was a lot of English boys came into Ganges. They call them remittance man. And a lot of them were good soccer players. They played good soccer in England. And of course at Fulford they didn't know what soccer was, like we call it football in those days. And so they used to beat our voice quite badly in that time. And Mr. Jackson, who out there about the turn of the century from he was from Hawke's Bay, New Zealand. And he played a little football at school. So he started to train these boys. And they trained really hard and at that time, the our Member of Parliament was a chap by the name of Mick Phillips and he put up a cup pure silver cup, but a high one and they played for that again, she's won a twice and if you if you won this cup three times he could keep it and he Ganges wanna twice. So Holford boys practice real hard that year, and they beat Ganges and they got it. And by that time the first world war came along, and most of the boys, the football players, they went overseas. And when they got back in 1918 They started again about 1920 and they started playing for the cup again and had to go back and forth back and forth. And the Fulford boys had twice and they thought, well, one more year where we were going to keep that cup. So that what happened there was three boys from England came out that played professional back there, and they were the nickel boys. The nickel boys and they they played for you. Yeah, that's right. Now they played for Ganges and they beat fall for the game. So we have to go all over again. So then in the end anyway, we filtered Dubois one or three times and we kept it and then we had another member by the name a heart and he put up a cup, the heart cup and feel for boys, one that three in a row and they kept it in his third and Fulford now they're in the fold for them. And then the Mac and Macintosh Captain Macintosh he was I remember, he lived a toll free he was a member of parliament, the Conservatives here and he put up the Macintosh Rosebowl and we played for that and the Ganges boys won it. And after that, they thought well, no use wasting the talent they have they had good teams are both really good teams. We better come together and play in the Victoria league or the Victoria League. So they did and but they never did have a good team that the team together didn't seem to work as well as either one. I think either one of the original Ganges team with original Fulford team could have beat that. And that was that was about all I can say about the software

Unknown Speaker 39:46
tell us some of the names of the players. The names of the players

Unknown Speaker 39:51
voice for boys.

Unknown Speaker 39:55
Not necessarily a team but over the years.

Unknown Speaker 39:58
Over the years. Well The ones that I played with the Morris boys, Fred Morse, Ray Moore's. Jim Anchorman my brother, Harry Nichols out Nichols lately up here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was just saying the whole island because I played for Ganges quite a bit too they used to get me to play for them. If they had a team going into Victoria or somewhere else they would ask me to play for them so I did so I played for Ganges and then there was several beach and Patty Crafton, Desmond Crafton, Dermot Crafton. Yeah. And in the forefront Yeah, Hamilton boys at Fulford. The shepherds Roland says lumley's ed Lumley was a great player. He was one of the best players soccer players in the island townies These boys were descendants from the the Hawaiian Hawaiians that came into full fair debt in the early early days. And they were really good soccer players. Then we have the other odd one. We had the odd one from England and we had Harry Thorne net from Scotland who played who played professional ball there. He talks about Captain Drummond was another one. Captain Drummond and he he played in the British Army. He was a very good soccer player took up land at Fulford I have German place now.

Unknown Speaker 41:51
Bob, I just wondered what position your brother was in Jim. Jim came up with lifting Ganges work the creamery. Which team did he play for them?

Unknown Speaker 42:01
I think he played harder for games. I think he played harder and we lost Fred Morrison that Ray Morris at the same time and Ed Lumley and we lost four good players there. But I'm sure they play it harder for again, geez.

Unknown Speaker 42:20
You mentioned your brother Jim.

Unknown Speaker 42:22
I always remember Jim has been a person who got left early in the morning but all the way down to the repoint came back calling all the prompts to pick up the cream for the creamery. He drove. That's right he he went to work in the creamery Ganges when he was 18 years old. And he worked for 18 years or 20 years at the Creamery here. Then he went to Cornell and took over a manager's job to the Cornell creameries that he used to get up in the morning at four o'clock and you go down and get the steam up in the end the steam boilers in the in the in the creamery, and then he would take the old truck and he'd go to Beaver point as far as records and pick up the cream, deliver the deliver the empty cans going down and back he would bring the full cans back with him. And then he would look at the every primers at all. I have a few pounds of butter to to be put delivered. And then he would meet the boat. Sometime at night the boat coming in from the other islands got creamed from the other islands here Pender Maine and Galliano. And he'd have to go down there sometime 1011 o'clock at night, pick the cream up and get back to the creamery there. So he'd been a long day for 20 years. The male the the the buttermilk, the buttermilk, the buttermilk Are they people used to pick it up for their pigs that it was given? It was given to the farmers

Unknown Speaker 43:50
just above me bakery used to be a road going in there they still is and all of cordwood was back there and there was where the big fat was that the buttermilk was in like price brothers used to get it for the pigs people's they could just come and get it. People sold the cream

Unknown Speaker 44:06
and barrels I think I didn't barrels What about the skin milk that was separated from well the the skim milk was all separated on the farm. The farmers had separator C cream separators during the handle and the cream would come out of one spout and the skim milk could come out of the other and so they would just ship the straight cream to the creamery

Unknown Speaker 44:27
was that the creamery were they angry bakery is now all the creamery are not forgotten to

Unknown Speaker 44:35
know it's the one that he worked in is where the bakery is now. The first one was up, up on the road up here on the upper Ganges road or the upper Ganges row. That was the first one. Yes questionnaire. This is all

Unknown Speaker 44:56
Do you remember when you were a child every hearing about the shoe It was lost in the Bering Sea with a sailing ship with some young man Saltspring on it

Unknown Speaker 45:06
yeah yes

Unknown Speaker 45:13
I have it at home I have at home with some of those some of them that were lost on it some other ones were lost

Unknown Speaker 45:20
or something like that yeah

Unknown Speaker 45:21
I have the now I have the name

Unknown Speaker 45:25
then the question will wolves

Unknown Speaker 45:35
will is their mark Ganges in those days

Unknown Speaker 45:47
my mother said that she used to hear that Wilson she was a little girl they'd be out running from one mountain to the other cross the valley in the evening still evening chicken here them pile up there and then they'd answer across the valley that there was a lot of wells and it was elk. Quite a few elk in that in the island that those days.

Unknown Speaker 46:06
Well the last

Unknown Speaker 46:12
well, yes, there's been CUDA here from the time my, my grandparents were here. And this book here, early days among the Gulf Islands is a book belong to my dad. It's quite interesting. And I she was saying about carrying some chickens from the, from the window from one from one, one field to the other from one. I guess they had the barn and then they had a chicken house further along, and they were carrying these chickens and was invited by a field and a panther, the Panther was Panther kept up pace with them, and squawking hands, they had this cocking hands in their hands. This got on to my grandmother's nerves, and she cried out, Joseph, if this beast follows any longer, I will drop the files. But her husband's only reply was don't drop the follows

Unknown Speaker 47:31
Are there any further questions?

Unknown Speaker 47:34
I would like to know why there were two primaries on the island at the one time. So rung on the upper Ganges road and the mainframe.

Unknown Speaker 47:46
I don't think they operated at the same time. One was closed down and the other was starting the other they wanted to MB bakery, I think was started about 19 Five or 19 Six. I believe it was started about that time, but the other one was only operated for a short time. Yes, there was quite an upset about the building and the operation of that building, I think which caused us a lot of hard feelings locally. And I don't think was operated much after that sort

Unknown Speaker 48:18
of started as a co operative query by the farmer I because the creamy at the Amory bakery was operated by the mother family and they found her satisfied with what I got. I

Unknown Speaker 48:34
started as a co operative then one of the MPs was also started sort of cooperate and then became a limited company and most of it was held by the Scott brothers and and Mr. Bullock had someone come here some chairs Mr. Brooks Yes. A lot of people had like you were producing farmers and people just wanted to support it but no one was talking about an idea was the other ones I don't think the other one was operating at that time. But I don't think it operates very long but the but the me bakery or the Saltspring do want to operate in and produce Canadian it was price we need butter for that one the prices that the Canadian National Exhibition in Toronto it was wonderful butter news always served the Queen when she visited British Columbia but this was all produced out at MB bakery any further question was one more question when he was a younger

Unknown Speaker 49:35

Unknown Speaker 49:42
so that was

Unknown Speaker 49:49
it wasn't on the cougars and

Unknown Speaker 49:57
yeah, at one time, there was a bounty of $40 was on the Cougars that was in the early day quite early days so

Unknown Speaker 50:09
there wasn't that many there wasn't that many we seem to have a lot of Cougars here around from 1950 on we had a quite a lot and they did a lot of damage they killed a sheep, one Cougar would kill maybe a half a dozen sheep and one night and just leave them wouldn't eat anything off them. And we had three here and one one time and we we got them all we got a good dog from Kamloops down and my boys and I we got the three of them in one week. But then about every about every year or two there'll be one to come the the at one time I remember my dad saying at one time that one Cougar killed a horse for the Branford stuff on the top of Mount Bruce young horse, they killed it. So they're pretty strong and they can kill a cow or without any trouble. They'll take they'll get a full grown sheep and they'll jump a five foot fence with a very strong, there's one more

Unknown Speaker 51:34
crops to grow. And what are the cash crops?

Unknown Speaker 51:43
Well, the farmers in those days they didn't grow crops to sell, they grew crops to feed their animals, like they raised a lot of hogs pigs, and they would grow a lot of peas and the the threshing machine would come along straight from Beaver point and come right through the valley and thrash at different firms during the fall of the year. And they would put the grain in bins and then they would feed it to their chickens and their pigs and a geese during the winter. But the there was no money changed hands in those days as far as paying or thrashing goes. All the farmers would follow the machine along and when it got to their farm everything would be there their grain would be trashed to you see, so there was no money actually changed hands beginning machinery the there was a chap that I remember it was Jim Horrell he had a threshing machine and I think that he charged the he charged the farmer $10 to do the or he took grain I'm not sure but I think it was about $10 per days work with machines and of itself

Unknown Speaker 53:24
Oh yes yes yeah, the last wealth that was here was first furnace got it in the 30s 1933 I think Oh yeah, right. That's right for Scotland. Yeah

Unknown Speaker 53:44
the last Cougar the last cougars. Yeah. Well, nobody says too much about anything about when cookers are shot now because we got a little flak in the paper about it. So the cooker shot that's all it was long time ago.

Unknown Speaker 54:08
One of the picture techniques paper in 1957 of a boy standing with a rifle in his hand and you're put on a COVID and retracted somewhere down they have now proved

Unknown Speaker 54:25
to be one of I have a lot of pictures home. I have a lot of picture Cougar pictures at home and writings to be one of my boys.

Unknown Speaker 54:33
Any further questions?

Unknown Speaker 54:35
I think you'll be getting tired of hearing me talk I think maybe. I think we better think if anybody wants to take a look at some of these pictures they can. We have some very early pictures here. This one I have four for you there. You recognize the middle here. That's right. And then we have a picture of Joe Nightingale here. UNdeC Max roll another old timer. We have a picture of the school back in the early days about the turn of the century. A picture of the opening of the church.

Unknown Speaker 55:15
Perhaps we'll just leave the spread out when we can see them after we

Unknown Speaker 55:18
really spread out here. Check them out later.

Unknown Speaker 55:31
Bob, I would like to say thank you very, very much for coming and giving us such a wonderful, interesting talk.

Unknown Speaker 55:39
Thank you very much.

Unknown Speaker 55:39
I don't know if you remember I'm Marie McClellan's daughter