Salt Spring Island Archives
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| Date | 2004 | ||
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| duration | 58 minutes |
179_August-Sylvester_created-2004.mp3
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11.03.2024
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Speaker 1 0:15
Oh yeah, we get together and we could talk about those guys either
Speaker 2 0:41
Brian That's the only ones I really know the best ones to come here
Unknown Speaker 0:53
every people live in blockchain games. And who were they again? Brian?
Speaker 2 1:01
Last game Orion and they were Native people What if people are still alive while alive? Yes
Speaker 2 1:13
understand yeah that's one one young people are trying to get old as you guys get older is that Rocky? Rocky rocky sands?
Unknown Speaker 1:23
Yeah
Speaker 2 1:29
yeah but all these people I just know of as named
Speaker 2 1:39
Jimmy Jimmy, Adam, Adam Jimmy had a daughter as a daughter right now married in Salt Springs and who she's married to I don't know. And in this Harris Harris, Facebook read a lot of them Harris is out there. That's their last name for me. It still airs or are not
Unknown Speaker 2:10
married in the Hawaiian group.
Speaker 2 2:12
Yep. Wine. Yes. Why you know
Unknown Speaker 2:18
they hear the nephew Bob hmm you Neil Harris and Jack Rowland. We're have come over here in America
Speaker 1 2:38
these guys would come here with the world because I also heard that people go to Saltspring for what we always
Speaker 2 2:43
traveled. I remember traveling there to Fernwood wharf that was a regular stop just for them. Like when we get there and upstairs in the morning they bring all their world down there
Unknown Speaker 2:59
oh right right at the dock
Unknown Speaker 3:00
at Fernwood
Unknown Speaker 3:04
tell me a bit about like how much what would you buy
Speaker 2 3:06
you know lots the boat was loaded the boat was loaded and was well I don't know how much that comes to but as a young house surprised at how much more we could hold there was a signal now for that. That's what we done. We traded salmon for fruits. Vegetables that was another one of our many trips. My grandfather was taken there you lot of people and a lot of those people talk their language
Unknown Speaker 3:39
nearly at Walker
Speaker 2 3:41
sipto is on the south side of the alarm stairwell goes up their steps and there was a guy that came down to me that he heard the boat coming in shuttling around and he'd be the first one there all kinds of neat and right away I don't know remember whether it was true. Or our language they talk but they were hollering at each other just so happy to meet one another and they go for a new race of colored man
Unknown Speaker 4:19
Walker Walker so if you don't recall his name
Speaker 2 4:22
No, I don't call his name too small but we camped there and camped on that beach at that time
Speaker 1 4:30
yeah remember you were here was a good picture.
Speaker 2 4:33
Yeah sewing that appears some worry that man was all up in the air. Yeah, up on up there not not on this side. Okay, I know this this guy. He explained his history and I said yeah, he was there we come down gave a squishy vegetable what's his name again? The guy we're gonna quote. Oh Caldwell Caldwell? Yeah,
Speaker 1 4:57
so I guess his dad Yep. Is that so you guys, you've had a good relationship with them like, wow,
Speaker 2 5:04
I don't know but you know, things I remember as a little boy we traded salmon and traded cod anything we've got
Unknown Speaker 5:18
for omega
Speaker 2 5:19
vegetable yeah Apple, okay whatever, whatever we whatever they had bartered trading.
Speaker 1 5:25
And so how would it be down on the beach here just camping and they'd come down and they'd come
Speaker 2 5:30
down and meet us. Everybody was happy to see everyone. That's it as long as long here the pls I don't know if there's any more of them on Saltspring PL. Yeah. I don't think
Unknown Speaker 5:49
they're later date. Right, Sally?
Speaker 2 5:51
No, no, no. Jimmy Walker is one related is one related to the wrist race family and the Johnsons and Dan Johnson
Unknown Speaker 6:08
these are they they're from Connecticut?
Speaker 2 6:10
Yeah. He his nickname was Thomas sugar. Thomas sugar used to be the mailman to get close the mail go along felt rough and so you get two or three sisters that married and salt and I was trying to get it out of what's his name? Samson I was wondering if he knew Tommy BL you live down there just on the reserve there. He looked on the top part here always refuses to learn I often wonder for them such as when your FPGA left you.
Unknown Speaker 7:02
And so how long ago would this be? Nice it
Speaker 2 7:07
must have been a long time ago. Must have been because my grandfather is an old man passes away. He always yells there since you don't forget them. Who they want to marry their I don't know. So that's what I was trying to dig up. That's why I was digging around and I ran into
Unknown Speaker 7:34
Irene Griffith she's off to Silvia from reed island. And I think she had family down there shouldn't be a good person to talk to she's real lady.
Speaker 1 7:52
Were hoping to get a hold of her phone
Speaker 2 7:55
number must be enough of consumers were at soaker okay. Oh Griffis Irene Griffiths.
Unknown Speaker 8:09
So who was your granddad? Basil Charlie? Okay.
Speaker 2 8:20
There was two people that came here one man from Seattle. Come here. You've done just what you're doing right?
Speaker 1 8:25
Oh, ages ago. Wayne subtle? Yeah.
Speaker 2 8:30
I was just a little boy. But I translate from my grandfather. And he's talking to you and Oh, cool. Yeah. And there's another man. David. His name's David. David Rosen. Yes. Come here. I have my grandfather. So he doesn't use a different color thesis from getting out of school from year to do it.
Speaker 1 8:54
I got a copy of his it was it was the first thing I read that started to teach me about the place Nate was like the first you know, like I go out and kind of collect
Speaker 2 9:04
from all that all settles Andrew. Yeah, yeah, but um, yeah.
Speaker 1 9:08
And I know that subtle. wrote about your granddad so so is your granddad used to come down here now when families came down to this part of Saltspring were were there any restrictions on where they could go or
Speaker 2 9:25
no? was none of that No. Anyway, we went we just went there. Nobody questioned why we were there. We used to come here and park the boat out the point you walk around we want you to go we want all the gear used to be here in this area. Lots of times we'd leave and then the JIRA you trapped there will come back and I type and you just walk back and forth on the island to to be trapped out here on this thing. Yeah. Make sure you try I try that otherwise my grandfather says shall get away. And don't shoot the doors and don't shoot the ones it's too young for me to point or like, me never shoot anything else to preserve more, be more and more and right off this point here there's some reef telx here Yeah, that's a good card. That's where we fish God.
Speaker 1 10:27
So was there any we know that there's this man should hate to hate me? For this place? You recall any other names around here? Like, why don't you? Like we're really interested in Connecticut land use on the north end of salt skiing. So if you could give us an idea of you
Speaker 2 10:45
know, face names I really lost. Maybe I was too young. Any listen very well. Yeah, but I know all the places that can camp for right. All these places, but I couldn't get them. We got a map that HTG that has all Indian names. Yeah, you see a map like this. And it's photocopied, and it's got all the names, all places around felt spring and all the way out to tumble Island, cabbage Island. It's got Egan names on that map.
Speaker 1 11:20
Now, obviously, an earlier one. I hadn't seen it in the last few years.
Speaker 2 11:26
That must be the one probably guarantee. Yeah, I think probably Garin done that earliest one. And there was me and then going around. You have to remember things. I can't remember those names.
Speaker 1 11:40
Yeah, I guess you just took it for granted. Like you're just learning, blah, blah, blah. This
Speaker 2 11:45
is. And I told my children. This is where we can I tell him? Well, if people were because people all had certain places to camp right there. And nobody would camp there. So when we pulled in,
Speaker 1 12:01
we're rolling there, like on the beach here
Unknown Speaker 12:04
on the beach, and other families would line up.
Speaker 1 12:09
So you each have your designated spot. Yeah. Do you recall any of the other families that use that and where are they we can we never hit there
Speaker 2 12:17
at the same time. Okay, always different times for we're always there for different reasons, maybe. I think they're called COVID was called Cockleshell, real big, monstrous things.
Unknown Speaker 12:30
Yeah, you're still
Speaker 2 12:33
you know, you go there, and you take as much as you can, but don't overdo it. Don't take all all the small one to leave all small ones in rebury and take the big ones. harvesting food we're always like that my grandfather was always you come back here again. Same size.
Speaker 1 12:56
So I guess you know about the clam beaches up here all along there. Yeah. Could you tell me anything about those? Well, that's nice.
Speaker 2 13:03
Yeah, we used to dig there before embarrassed to release way up towards in our centers. A jet clambake there's a good job climbing but while I'm here there's one over here somewhere and it never got leased yet.
Unknown Speaker 13:25
We're down in here.
Speaker 2 13:28
Yeah. And me and my brother go there next is real high beach. It shows shores water rock there but when you actually land at the beach and you walk up and there is a beach in between the rocks real long beach
Speaker 1 13:42
so that's north of the dock like there's a term a dock No.
Unknown Speaker 13:47
Docks out here somewhere. Oh
Unknown Speaker 13:53
no, I think that's pretty good. It's a weird shot
Speaker 2 14:07
Oh, yeah. It's right here somewhere yet down here. Somewhere around here.
Speaker 1 14:12
Oh, between Furman and Walker sick. Yeah. Oh, really? So hidden beach. I know who that is. And there's a little creek that can go there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 14:21
We we stick there all time. And there's places around there where you see rocks piled up nice, nice little walls around that ditch. Yeah. And that's, that's to keep the break. And that keeps in. The clams are spreading. There always be clams here. So
Unknown Speaker 14:42
these were built
Speaker 2 14:43
by people. Yeah. So those things you learn as you go along and my grandparents told me Don't ever knock off rocks for a reason.
Unknown Speaker 14:57
Everything you need for that time. File I
Speaker 2 15:04
like those words people come to me and asked me Indian words. And I say well I know that for that, I know how to say that then they they write it down in between there for me back and say we need to know more. And these are people my age that that last language. Yeah. So we often talk about that Indian language where people are right now writing it for school. Yeah, we need to know something now.
Speaker 1 15:33
I'm learning good stuff your garbage Charlie. Yeah. showing me the new writing system. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2 15:41
an amateur so yeah, we got we got a different writing system I think with from me and my sister doing doing another desk I think I forget what I think it might be on the internet you already really cool shows you how this but it's got me sitting there telling them which animal and tell them that in the name of that animal and going like Oh cool. How to say I don't know. Anything to show all the writing. How to say it is very important
Speaker 1 16:27
so I'm going to go back there any sort of ancient stories associated with Saltspring? Like, you know, I've heard of the man hails, hail Hales. Did you tell us about him
Unknown Speaker 16:42
fails? Is he talking about God? You're talking about God when you talk about stories or people tell stories where they God was so mad. He said he's gonna do away with a lot of the people.
Speaker 2 17:05
And everybody spoke one language at that time. He was on trees to a flavor retreat near each other. This is the time just before the flood. They call it the end of the world. And he says well, you guys can't get along we'll have to do something about that. You guys can't even all talk to each other anymore. Because you're always all fighting we'll have to put a stop to that. So he made everyone different nationalities he called them I guess he made them different people they're not one the more he made them into Chinese and black people and all that different even the trees seems to talk our language is to speak to one another. And the trees were the worst days to kick you with the roots calculator to go for two big powerful trees will fix you first. You can't communicate with these people and the more your to your bully. And that's when the fear creates external wind blow she talks she's gone like that always. He's my grandfather says he done that to him because he was the worst he was pushing people around and people there was trees lined up right down to the beach. And the people were getting pushed out. Then they get the flood come. Indians live because they tied all canoes together the work item them together. drifted out. They didn't want to be caught wherever they were living. When their lead game and the clues were tied together. The slow until the slow ones. The big ones were tied together. Just the past ones where they have just gone around all time scouting. The pews were tied together and they started to come down the street here. Wherever we came from the past pews were coming through the middle. When the land started to come back on the water strike put on little spots Churchill said why don't you go look for a real good place for our people. vacuums came in they come straight in through urine they see the beach down here. They see lager beer us right back? That's where they got a name for our island here. That's what Be very log. That means and we come in here and people stare down the stage here. That's how we come to this after the big lunch. I always talk about that until our children in school have same story. And that's that's the way it goes my grandfather. That's where it is. That's how we started. She started after the flood. Our people are here and that's what Hales done. He says No more No more fighting with one another. No more wars fail sad lots facts and different stories become many times at different changes. I don't know when when the man first came when man first came he didn't wait for God to pile he didn't wait for him to make a woman man came down he carved
Speaker 2 21:17
carved the swamp there was two brothers and do when the first started there was two brothers and all they got to be two brothers for started one fails my grandfather never explained that party but he said they came down they called that woman out of cedar the one brothers was finished carving and the other than the fact that they've come back in the tech same place the progresses to meeting on carbon a woman carving he's going to make himself a white companion
Speaker 2 22:10
looking at different texts different debt so to see an A woman named Jesus that's all he dreamed and his vision he had a dream to make a woman made that for himself. That woman was for him. He goes away come back and he's working doing his medicine man stop go away from which we'll come back and the woman's gone. And his brother showed up and he said did you steal my car when he's gonna get his brother
Unknown Speaker 22:54
asked him to restore his woman. Garvey said no well my cravings gone he looked down on the sand and he seen tracks going away
Speaker 2 23:11
he said whoa must be my woman she's here now. So he went to the Kreher and watched her he come to life after so many so many days waiting for her to come behind off and some to do that could come back to life. And there's a lot of stories like legends of the scenario of only sales sad and ID for those people how to kill a monster in a narrow right Indian trend through year porridge shoo that not Boothbay not that one the next day up the next day? It almost right in the Narrows? I forget the name of that Burgoyne we're going be right in their their credit cross into the harbor their borrow the clue there someone went across to the shaman he lived in two awesome pieces well what Eric asked you to kill the monster in the narrow he won't let nobody pass that way. You won't let nobody everybody that went through their disappeared Hale says you can only you can get rid of this house didn't want to get rid of the monster I guess. That man could cuz he's a shaman. And I forgot name that the human
Unknown Speaker 25:03
string string there should be a name for that and the rock was so big and demand was huge it's a shame
Speaker 2 25:20
he said that mountain over there it's in a way that mountain so we have to work to ask them if they'll pity us and lean over like this other mountain over so they don't get it they're praying they're into us drumming pretty soon the mountains laid down like that
Unknown Speaker 25:47
that's why the mountains are like that not the peak just before he goes through the mountains to make wait for this rocket come over and come to kill the monster and he says okay, you guys can go home now
Speaker 2 26:08
monsters gone they come home they come back to the same way that's funny the mountains are really laid down really to reason over like this man must have made them you know when he never told him to get back up so they just stayed laying down they they're over there so that's another one of them. They're not very long stories but they're all learning stories where people in
Speaker 1 26:40
the mark the land in certain ways like I know he turned certain things into rocks and like you mentioned about the mountain Yeah, well he that was to
Speaker 2 26:50
make that one way down there slot along there along the narrow set we had we don't have too much people now it's gonna get worse or we're we're we're not we're not saying it's not gonna be but when we lived long here those were all houses along there right from there all the way through your birthday. We had long houses in there. Up towards the point of the very north end of Salt Spring there was long houses there. And that's where people first started logging in after we left SharpSpring would come home and they wanted that island blog so they can direct people on Sherdog My grandfather was saying that when they first tried logging or people were the first one prior to go logging.
Unknown Speaker 27:50
Oh it's not the point. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 27:53
And I said well, what are they doing there? How come they let me see he didn't know either.
Speaker 2 28:03
Why are people just come and stayed in this one little spot? I don't know. But they said the government was one made them do a lot of the stuff that they had to do to come in one spot. Yeah, lose all the gaps. Campgrounds there were so much people that they had so many stories what they had the biggest war parties and they had the most good news. Everything you see old pictures of cute brown beach there was no beach that wasn't covered with the work those canoes all lined up on the beaches right out to the point the clues to big workings were that much and he says why we all lived in one place I don't know. But there was different points are now all these islands where one person one family lived. And there was a watch people send a runner or send the fast commute to come get your the common the bearish or common. The big tall ships are coming and the high days are coming. Anything they had to know that's how it was done. We even had people living on top a tremendous big mountain there. That won't cost too much. Therefore the people sit and watch it go
Unknown Speaker 29:40
that's the one right up behind me.
Unknown Speaker 29:41
Right behind.
Unknown Speaker 29:42
automate it. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 29:48
It's a nice ships in us. That's the name of that.
Speaker 1 29:50
I've heard that name. Yeah. That means just
Speaker 2 29:57
like if just watching. Oh, okay. Just like you've been there a long day and you're getting towards the end you're just leaving there now
Speaker 1 30:11
I've heard that name applied to Saltspring I mean, I don't know where you're recalling the name for birth canal or
Speaker 2 30:22
that one's China's China's Boothbay oh that's why along this line is worth sharpness sharpness.
Unknown Speaker 30:34
What would that how would you spell that in your
Speaker 2 30:39
tea I don't even know how to write ch A and you get
Unknown Speaker 30:45
shot and that's
Speaker 2 30:46
how I said that's how songs yeah it's sharpness that's that's the way to say it. In English sharpness I don't place name at all. It's probably got an explanation for it. One of our old people must know it. Yeah. I Henry and early Edwards lot of no one this Yeah,
Speaker 1 31:08
we're gonna talk to them next. Yeah, I talked to me still he's he's still in
Speaker 2 31:13
good shape. knocked him out four years ago. Yeah, well, no, he's in good shape. He's seeing that. Oh, excellent. Just Christine's not in very good shape. kind of sickly at sois wife. Okay, away Edwards. Yeah. They have a little she's having trouble I guess you're pretty sickly. Didn't expect her to live last time juvenile hospital. I see her she's pretty skinny now but she's walking around
Speaker 1 31:49
so you don't recall any names like for Vesuvius area because I've been finding the sort of a big gap there between this canal and like that whole coast didn't seem any place names
Speaker 2 32:02
not know I don't remember recall any if there was anything said about that, my grandfather always talked to me about things like
Speaker 1 32:15
he was something interesting along I just north to the the ferry dolphins instead of rock paintings.
Unknown Speaker 32:22
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Unknown Speaker 32:25
And they're significant too.
Speaker 2 32:28
Yeah. That's big reserved there. If you walk along the beach and really walk and have a good look, you'll see the show. Yes. And both canal is a good getaway place please for our people. When I first come to su Yong Chol I used to go to dinner with my grandfather and we stay in there all week. Taking classes in Boothbay and just kept there no one ever said no tours no people was deserted nice and quiet
Speaker 1 33:09
I was talking to Henry actually embroiders and they told me in the old days used to be so the canoes get in this canal Yeah, Ganges
Unknown Speaker 33:20
yeah oh that must be that must be the other one. We're going
Speaker 1 33:29
you know it wasn't you know he did it was at the head of booth canal you go in there really I tie and then his little creek that runs into into the lake Yeah, I need to these to drag the canoe up there and then straight into Ganges on skips Yeah. And aren't even gave us an Indian name for that skid says the same name for the place between Cooper and Thetis shuts off. So pronouncing as somebody who dragging or coming to
Speaker 2 34:01
salt that was sort of a mixture of tried to demand that between theists and that wasn't theater. So that was all Kuper. Yeah. So that's why it's got that name. It was just a little ditch, like plant VOD, feel a little ditch. Drag the canoes through there. That was a big swamp. Then they start dredging up and it turned out to Island. Oh, really? So we were joined. We're joined Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 1 34:42
So any stories recall about the old Indian name for this area is faceless
Speaker 2 34:51
places. Yeah. Click that. Saltspring Yeah. Okay. That's the only A minute I would buy the grandfather just not Yeah, well then you know, Susie says that I know I'm going that direction. Yeah. For further selfies to name combo island in our little passes down there. And that's where we're going he says we're going club Seagull eggs are gonna stay down there for a while a week. You could seek likes and your boy like all up and then you can get it all. If we're not going there, we'll go this way. And those are all uncertain times a years a certain time of the year you can get SIBO like some dream I think. Nobody does that. No more. We must. We don't know that kind of life. No more. Yeah. We don't know how to live like that.
Unknown Speaker 36:00
Food. It's probably still there. It sir.
Speaker 2 36:02
I call my walk along the beach. I can eat the green leaves off the rock. Yeah, call us.
Unknown Speaker 36:10
Yeah. Wait for it
Unknown Speaker 36:12
to dry and you need it right up the beach.
Unknown Speaker 36:15
Where does that show up?
Speaker 2 36:19
In May, and around that time. There's a brown one. That's number two green ones and number one. And you get a new preserver dry real nice when you're having clam chowder or whatever kind of will drive and you break it up into tears. Yeah,
Speaker 1 36:40
that'd be good for you. So when other foods are they harvested? And like clams right with obviously the big.
Speaker 2 36:50
The bigger? Yeah. Pod and cheese slots around here to Richards. The big red ones? No,
Unknown Speaker 37:00
yeah, that's the fake one.
Speaker 2 37:04
That's one ways to get around here. Long in here. Yep. along the outer edge here. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1 37:12
here now. And I talked to you last year when Tony said those things actually kind of migrate around. Yeah. But people used to know the route.
Speaker 2 37:21
They go they go with the tie. They don't go that way or that way to diagrams that way they go that guy goes that way. They go that way. Okay. They travel around three miles an hour. So really when the tides moving right, you're getting a huge,
Unknown Speaker 37:36
massive Yep.
Unknown Speaker 37:40
They're all following each other around.
Unknown Speaker 37:42
And there'll be certain spots where you guys would get them? Yep.
Speaker 2 37:46
So what time of year would that be on the move say around here? All the time. They're moving all the time to be up there now. Yeah, they don't care now. They're they're moving because they fall in this the kelp and seaweed on the bottom the vegetation. Okay, so
Speaker 1 38:01
how would you harvest those things with a spear and kyknet? Low tide? Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 38:06
that's high school.
Unknown Speaker 38:11
And how would you prepare him again?
Speaker 2 38:14
Eat him right out. Right out of the water. Some people like the fright. Roll the flour and fry Yeah. I say no. You eat it. Well, it's fresh. It's not moving. It's dead
Unknown Speaker 38:36
Wow. They take ducks out around here.
Speaker 2 38:38
Yep. All along here. They used to be just loaded with Merce the ones that Michael from up north
Unknown Speaker 38:46
MERS have an Indian name
Unknown Speaker 38:51
that's that's a loons very near
Unknown Speaker 38:54
here in
Unknown Speaker 38:58
black ducks.
Speaker 1 39:03
The black that was the new name for it. Reuters those three
Speaker 2 39:06
or four different black ducks that we asked them so favorite for all around Europe the year because we're eating the jab clams. Anyway there Jeff glad to see black ducks. very suave. Oh, and they got a stomach that crushes the shower.
Speaker 1 39:25
Actually Manila clam. Yeah, not the plan Chapter plan that was introduced pleasantly you know when it came in that when it was introduced?
Speaker 2 39:35
I don't know why. When I grew up, we were digging it already for a long time before. Okay, so they come up the bottom of the ship service seeding on the ships and ships came in and they dropped off here might be in a warm atopy in the summertime. Yeah. Picture certain time and day. We can clients.
Speaker 1 40:05
So these these dots, how would the Phantom in the old days, ducks not used in that era laid down here? COVID An aerial net. I've heard that name. Well,
Speaker 2 40:18
that's for certain Daxia arrow. But other nets when you get into big clam beds like this, you get some it looks like a table and legs all the way around and a woman used to throw that. Put it up like this and put it out. They put it maybe six feet high. tide comes up. And crab. Ducks get there Salman don't even watch where they're coming up and they're getting caught in the next in the water. Wow. And then after the tide goes down a little bit again. The next step is to show then they go there and harvest all their ducks. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 41:01
Cool. Would it be a name for that type in that stationary? I've never heard of.
Speaker 2 41:08
Yeah, it's stationary. That one? No, I don't know that one. I just know how to do it. I just thought, oh, one day any kind of networks now. When they got so much good nets now you just put the net out. You got them.
Speaker 1 41:29
So that's interesting. So that would be for certain types of ducks.
Speaker 2 41:35
Most most ducks that go into that. Sometimes you will get golden eyes. Or whatever happens to become a Long Beach. sabroso just chase pencil fishing everything along with the atria and come up. Come up in that net. What are people used to eat anyway?
Speaker 1 41:56
Yeah. How would they prepare those ducks? Once they caught him barbecue Patrul some differently. Yeah,
Speaker 2 42:06
right. I like black ducks fried. Just cut them in half and lay them in a frying pan and putting it on it. Put as much as you want in there.
Speaker 1 42:17
Like that. You gave us the name. Did you have the black ducks? We asked
Speaker 2 42:20
if they were there and then you know in there yeah, yeah. shot bullets is another one was another one
Speaker 1 42:39
too. Of course the LCS team. Well, and so you think they use Arial nets and here? That would be for a different situation.
Speaker 2 42:47
No, I don't think they used Arial next year. If they did, I don't know what flew through there.
Speaker 1 42:54
Yeah, I guess so. An aerial net would be for a different kind of location. Oh,
Speaker 2 42:59
there's they post strapping boss was quick. Heard about that? They're still there. It's still there. Yeah, there's one post. That's where they use that's where they used to Arial and met that true mallards and geese you don't put it up anytime before dark.
Unknown Speaker 43:19
Okay
Speaker 2 43:22
can I go around and scare the ducks up just before dark the next day then you can go check the next year see ducks not getting met today
Unknown Speaker 43:40
so that's where there is
Unknown Speaker 43:44
interesting beyond reserved that's what Suze Suze succeed
Speaker 1 44:04
so of course the Panella cats are famous for the hunting a shake.
Unknown Speaker 44:10
Yeah. Ceylon sea lions Yeah.
Speaker 1 44:13
Did you found that you that there's certain families today? Well, certain families
Unknown Speaker 44:20
Yeah, yeah. My family wanted
Speaker 2 44:28
to know more and reach you know, more sea lions reach here.
Unknown Speaker 44:31
Yeah,
Speaker 2 44:32
the only one reach here is California sea line. That's the only one the Tuskers don't get here anymore.
Unknown Speaker 44:42
That was one you guys aren't coming in apparently just by the time
Speaker 2 44:51
you know, things are changing so fast. I don't know. We still have all the ducks that migrated used to come and sit beeches just sit down or you could hear him squat and all night you go down there and see what's going on and the old people say no don't kill them don't kill them until they're way out in the water don't kill a malicious minor beach when they had a heart for the ducks
Unknown Speaker 45:21
yeah yeah the protocol to do or LC
Speaker 2 45:26
yeah they're on neutral ground when they they certainly do yeah
Speaker 1 45:42
see, we know the Indian name for this area actually put on up yeah, she probably heard that name. First
Unknown Speaker 45:51
features that can be good you call gravelly. What
Speaker 1 45:58
is the difference? Yeah. Oh, could you say it again? The first beaches.
Unknown Speaker 46:03
It's the same thing gravel.
Unknown Speaker 46:05
Okay.
Speaker 2 46:08
Just use white. Okay. That's what they called it. And that's where we pick boiler clamps. One of the real good ones here because you don't have to filter the mud. They got gravel to live in.
Unknown Speaker 46:25
Right.
Unknown Speaker 46:26
Next we go for good clams.
Speaker 1 46:30
So first and second. So would you be able to tell him his mapper because you know there's couple beaches, a beach here with sort of a an estuary and a creek running into it. I wonder if that's the first or second choice
Unknown Speaker 46:47
right there
Speaker 2 46:55
this is one of them. Right here. Oh, must be in this one here. First beach. Okay. Just inside the point. They're just right beside each other. So this could be the other
Speaker 1 47:06
one I hear. Yeah. Because there's a big beach in here. This might be where that
Speaker 2 47:13
Jack clam leases. So in there. That's either here or here. Okay, one of these. There is quite a big beach. But that's not second beach. No, that's not second. Okay. That's a secondary I'd be well, that leases will embarrass loans will embarrass will embarrass his dad owned it before him additional research to be under his dad's name. Okay.
Speaker 1 47:44
You were telling me they used to work for a commercial clam. And you guys used to go to like a long harbor and Derek told me, Ganges
Speaker 2 47:55
harbor and long harbor all the middle Bazer. We used to leave here and assemble that combine the first one was called the Marilla. Mac is to come here and pick up all the little boats tie them up. We stay there and count the Merrimack could pick up all the clams and buy right on the spot. Everybody paid and just stay there and wait for him to come back. Take off with the clams to Vancouver or Port Angeles whichever way you want to go or Sydney whoever was buying from him. And those were that big. Big buyers city and Port Angeles and Vancouver.
Speaker 1 48:45
You're buying on the thought stream plan. Yep. When was that? That happened
Speaker 2 48:54
must have been one spot about eight or nine years old. 10 years old. Used to go and stay right there and dig
Unknown Speaker 49:01
in the 50s.
Speaker 2 49:03
Yep, bulk area must be out there that went on for a lot of years. Because Marlin Mac quick and then the other guy from Ghibli, okay in here. His name was Ed Berry. And he had a black book I forget the name of the book now but I just remember the guy's name was Ed berry used to do like we used to follow the Indians on where we were you're going to be at and we tell them which way we're going to be at and he just did. They're involved
Unknown Speaker 49:42
in satellite and big potato sacks or
Speaker 2 49:44
that potato sacks 100 pound sacks for butter clams. And that the jet plans were little 60 pound boxes, little wooden boxes because it breaks too easy. And those All the beaches we dug in, across the Montacute Harbor, along there and down that way, favorite cleansing places for butter glands. There's such a big market for that long term goal. I just couldn't understand why there's no more market for it. Yeah, nobody takes them or nobody needs butter. Yeah, I
Unknown Speaker 50:19
know. It's all
Speaker 2 50:24
it's asking them when they're going to open it up again. They say they may never never open it again. I said they're all gonna die. Oh, well, I have people eat them anyways. Good, fresh. We're gonna have a lot of clams. Well, I
Speaker 1 50:37
these kinds of clams walk in. Yeah, you know, they technically it's close. But you have gone down there and get
Speaker 2 50:44
still around. Yeah, they say that about our canal. We can chat clams. They're supposed to be close. Yeah. People bring it home and eat it. Because a lot of clients I don't see where, how they can say that. Oh, it's close. Probably a way to kind of manage it. Well, no.
Speaker 1 51:07
So did you ever see them cook plans the old way on the beach? Yeah,
Speaker 2 51:12
I still do that. I give classes on how to cook down a beach Berry.
Unknown Speaker 51:19
Could you give us a little description of it just for the record, you
Speaker 2 51:21
dig a little bit this because this table make sure it's nice and smooth like this. Then you align it with rocks. Black Rock BlackRock, BlackRock, it's good self scout. So the rap won't explode when you're eating them up. And you line it up. Then you get your two or three sacks of glands and throw it in there. After you've heated it up, you gotta heat it up with a big fire. And you keep looking, see how hot the rocks are. And scrape the fire out of there. And now your clams already washed and everything and you pour them in. They're covered with all kinds of seaweeds and kelps and get a blanket or something and cover it. Maybe 20 minutes time, and the clams will all be open. You just pull out, pull up that heavy canvas. We used to use heavy canvas to cover when you called out in you can have your clams right there. That's how these districts dry clams. Yeah, so many clients you open and pull them out for a manga stick right away and put them against the fire where we move the fire. That's where you line up the clients and along people call they dry clams. Some people used to step on them to get all the water excess water on Cedar branches over and stuck on the clams. Yeah. That's how you instruct your drying if you're no
Speaker 1 52:59
longer the last is dry plants all winter. Yeah.
Speaker 2 53:04
They're dried rockhard. Really, some people's taken grinded. make butter out of it. Wow. You're Indian butter. Same as salmon eggs. You take that your dry rot card. So when a time comes and people can smash it up and make it into butter. Pull down your bread Indian bread. So you did that water to listen. While some kind of well well not always just louder. Yeah, different oil. So we had a like cod oil and bullhead oil and salmon. sockeyes got different kind of well. Yeah, different flavors. You can mix your whatever you want to make into butter.
Unknown Speaker 53:53
And then you name for that butter. Cheese chair. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I guess we're all talking to me and it'd be a lot easier. Yeah. You
Speaker 2 54:03
get into the sock iOS. That's such a Sockeye. Sati and the bowhead is a big one as a name for that.
Unknown Speaker 54:17
You're welcome aboard.
Speaker 2 54:18
Yeah. bullhead bullhead you can eat that boy, this is perfect,
Unknown Speaker 54:22
but it's one of the biggest hair on
Speaker 2 54:24
Yeah, really? All he eats down a bottoms crabs. So when you get him up, and you cook him, he tastes like crabs.
Unknown Speaker 54:35
Yes. People are always thinking that's like a hungry fish. Yeah, get
Unknown Speaker 54:41
it off the hook. Yeah, same as a common card,
Speaker 1 54:44
but they're excellent. Excellent. Wow, we need some kids.
Speaker 2 54:47
Yeah, sweet, sweet ComiCon I'll make sure my grandchildren you save the bullet and you save a tiny card. You can have the link card you Definitely, yeah, cool. I forgot the Indian name of that board. Well, I know the small one. There under the rocks in just around May. Yeah, they're named Miss squat. But I forget the other ones name. Those are real fast fish. That's why they kind of bluish. They seem under a rock like a frog.
Unknown Speaker 55:27
Really? Low tide. You
Speaker 2 55:28
hear them? Yeah. You can hear them singing? Yeah, we used to go look for them all the time. To eight or 910. Bring it home, cleaned it up, put it in a square pan, put it in the oven, and we have a piece.
Unknown Speaker 55:44
Just come off here. Well,
Unknown Speaker 55:46
we're at Rocky. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 55:49
It'd be around our place for sure. Yeah, it would be they would be. And also, he told me once about them hunting the porpoise or dolphin?
Unknown Speaker 56:01
Yeah, they should porpoise and shooter should count how many times he's come and collect vehicles when he's coming. You say 123. Then it comes up again. goes down. 123 and it comes up again.
Speaker 2 56:25
You wait till it's close enough. But you count how many times it goes under? Like 1234 Some go 12121231. You figured out how long it takes him to break water. He's coming like that. He stood out in a canoe between Norway Island and here. Norway Island as we drift along waiting for your cotton. It was one old man used to do that yet. His name was Smith. We wait for him to get right here and then shoot because you've got only one minute to get to him. It's just like to see you got on one minute to get there won't be that long. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 57:21
They took over just off your drink. Come on. Yep. There
Speaker 2 57:24
was so much purpose here before I don't know where they went to after now. They're just trying to come back again. I see them again.
Unknown Speaker 57:31
Yeah, just see the odd one. needs to go in quite
Speaker 2 57:36
big school. Even the big long Well, the big long ones. Not? Not the killer. Will that big long. Yeah, that'd
Speaker 1 57:45
be great. 60 quarters. Yeah. Because
Speaker 2 57:48
we're traveling nighttime sometimes coming home and we'd run into one my grandfather would jump up. But the hell you're doing here talking engine to the whale, the whale would just going to get out of here. We said what the hell are you doing here? Talking to the whale asking him what he's doing here. I bumped into him. So those are gone. They speak to hear in just an hour or two minutes. All the way down, up and down. But that's where our primary practically must have been acted upon.
Speaker 1 58:34
And so how are they cookies port really taken care of all Mahler?
Speaker 2 58:38
He even for me like the big grin like tuna. big thick grain like turkey.
Speaker 1 58:54
Seals, of course, they will take people to take all the time along with time. Are there any special spots around here where the
Speaker 2 59:02
where we hunted all down was way down on underworld there. There's some reefs down there. Not right down the end. But kind of there. There's a whole pile of rocks there. But yeah, the biggest one there. And the co2 always go away. But soon as you both leave, they're back there and they'll go up again. So how would you get them so when when we're there. And my grandfather would say you just wait here they'll be back and I'll be back and pick up with a boat. So I just wait till there's real big bunch their instruction. And he'd come back later asked me one day and I said yeah, or somewhere that one went under over there. Go there with that hook and look down and triple them up. But the seals were a big bounty on and to us it was big money by dollars and o's and Oh, that's how we need our money
Speaker 1 1:00:06
from the valley and you'd also have a big stack of meat. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2 1:00:14
We've been canoes Yeah. And Secretary islands are not separate journeys. The bear is the one I call burial Island. The main jackscrew
Unknown Speaker 1:00:27
This is funny your six on here actually these other shelf of
Speaker 2 1:00:35
rocks right there yeah, that's that's a very Island. Oh, that's very that's another favorite place to wait for the shield yourself into that time to kind of shower there. There's a gravel, gravel ledge there. It's
Speaker 1 1:00:53
a that's a place named smokeless warlocks. Though they will call that very island. There was no taboo about hunting on it. Nope.
Speaker 2 1:01:05
There's all the bodies were moved from that island. Oh, there was too much. People stealing bodies like when eaten yet, so we had to take them and move them.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:17
Where did they go?
Speaker 1 1:01:24
Yeah, I heard I don't know if you're familiar with this island. They call it idle island on this side of Saltspring outside Yeah, yeah. And it's supposed to be very long. Do you know the name for that place?
Speaker 2 1:01:42
I don't know the name for that. My grandfather to go look there and he says nope. Can't go there. And that was the end of it. I just didn't question but that must be why very alignment too emotional because he said he'd lost his brother he put his brother out there and all the bones were gone. Sterile lots of bones come back. We don't know if we got them back.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:17
We've been involved in everything here. It
Speaker 2 1:02:19
could have been yeah, there's a lot of bones out there. Yeah, out in the middle. We still got bongs laying there. I couldn't move it because I couldn't get a dig permit. But we could see the body the bodies two bodies laying under the pipe just under the pipe. Really. So they're still there. I put a marker there I put some marks there and a little white pig
Speaker 1 1:02:43
there they're there. So how about those guys? They said in the paper recently they're gonna respect First Nations
Speaker 2 1:02:52
well they don't respect as much because you're putting putting pipes over putting pipe through our burial place that's that's not respect.
Unknown Speaker 1:03:02
No
Speaker 2 1:03:04
that's not respect to what they call respect I don't know. I told them to and last time I went to court was they got they don't respect nobody they don't respect themselves what they're doing they're destroying burial sites Katie chain stone so one
Speaker 1 1:03:29
sample I think but you know I can't imagine how you guys feel about it. What the argument except there's no connection they leave said you guys have not proved that this is your place I mean which to me is ridiculous. Yeah. What kind of proof they want yeah.
Speaker 2 1:03:47
I just well when they said that to me I just said well who was here first? I can remember being here but I can't remember all the rest of you sit it should be you guys proving to we don't have the guys well that's kind of stuff we go through that we have to prove everything that we do. When then by we've done we've got camping ground to spar down as Neah Bay. Last one I seen was in the bay and another island to stop this way from the obey
Speaker 2 1:04:37
it's just that deception pass and you cross a bridge and there's an island there. That island
Unknown Speaker 1:04:45
Oh, he's on the Washington.
Unknown Speaker 1:04:47
Yeah. campground for our people.
Speaker 1 1:04:51
So when you say our people is an elegant people, people
Speaker 2 1:04:54
went there. Lots of people went there, but I remember going there to declines to them. Just just to be aware just go away there's no wine or longtime comma grandfather's at all because the white man used to come on a big boat stay on that side. My grandfather would be waiting to come by and go through Friday Harbor you can go stay on that side and follow us all the way into Friday Harbor we tie up they tell us to stay away you're not supposed to be here. Oh, we're just going to visit my relatives over there. And we got family on the next round that way we're going there if you want to follow us there and couldn't remember his English name but his Indian name was war history. He used to live on an island him and his whole family go down and visit and he had Indian names for that island and it couldn't I can't remember it a pub come back later. Roy Henry might not they used to go down there to new race really? There they sold curations on that reserve now they all didn't like honor it's just the next reserve over from would be island would be yeah I think that that's yeah that's the island was yeah with the island Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:06:36
Yeah incredible place Yeah, so he used to go to Walker sick when you were little with this tree before and you'll days and I've never seen trees there is always open
Speaker 2 1:06:50
they said it was full of trees. That man said he remembers it was full of trees and I said I don't think so. When I got there there it was. There was fruit trees and a house there and we should talk with the people there.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:03
Yep guys Sullivan here.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:09
Yeah. Right. There's
Speaker 1 1:07:10
still remains of those. You can still see the or the housewives. You
Speaker 2 1:07:15
know the thing. It's there's a fireplace it was made out of rock. It's still there in that area. It's not quite in the fruit trees kind of off to the little bit north of the fruit trees that we will eat very broadly. Up here next to a maple tree. Oh, yeah. We buried a lot of the bones there remains.
Speaker 1 1:07:38
So how did you guys feel? Because originally you were didn't they hire you guys to go in and kind of supervised and then what changed? What happened? They
Speaker 2 1:07:45
they didn't want us to help pick up the means and that's our job to do your work. Yeah, they didn't want us to do that. Because they were worried about it like they were they were they wanted the artifact I think and we never did ever see the artifacts that were taken from there. That's so odd. We went to court. We come back with this far and we still don't know about the artifacts. What are they going to do with it?
Speaker 1 1:08:13
Well, I know legally they're supposed to come up with a report like three months after they find this stuff but they keep delaying it because I'd like to know about that too.
Speaker 2 1:08:22
Yeah, they would that one fancy little rock they're carved in the middle in that hole there and those anchor
Unknown Speaker 1:08:32
piece that you saw from one of the great
Speaker 2 1:08:33
Yeah, yeah. I say we got to put that rock back on when you're done with it. We're gonna put it back when we rebury and then right back there was some spirits made out of bones I never brought that back sheet wrong was about this long. Really really jagged hooks on like Barb's Yeah, and they must use that for spearing something. That was a long bone spirit. Wow
Unknown Speaker 1:09:04
keep it in a locked up.
Unknown Speaker 1:09:07
Well
Speaker 2 1:09:13
you know who's got to take that Walker's hook is Bob Rice. Bob Bob Rice. Yep. Oh funfairs. Both of them meditate about laughers hook. Really? Like often talking history on the market. Wow. So there might be some Indian names out there.
Unknown Speaker 1:09:32
When did they make that?
Speaker 2 1:09:37
When we first started fighting, also as part of the court case, I think it is but if you were to talk about race I bet you open up them tell you about Saltspring is clamping down there too. That's who I started with climbing in him and Jack drives Richard drugs but all those other guys passed away already. The problem is Harry's quite old Man burning your rice. He's really old man. He lives up in Malahat he's a guy. He's old man. He's got a lot of history.
Unknown Speaker 1:10:14
No, I couldn't actually been looking for him. He lives in
Speaker 2 1:10:16
melihat now I have for sure you just ask for any rice. They'll point you at bows. We just show up there and ask for any rice. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. We've got a phone
Speaker 3 1:10:28
line. That's why I tried to contact him through the phone.
Speaker 2 1:10:33
I'll try and get a phone number next time I see his kids. It'd be awesome. Then. I'll get a hold of you somehow. So
Unknown Speaker 1:10:42
it seems like the elder brother of Illinois.
Speaker 2 1:10:44
He's the older cousin. Cousins. I think he's a cousin of he's the older of Billy rice and that family Billy
Speaker 1 1:10:54
Ray net island out here you see right Thailand, right?
Unknown Speaker 1:10:58
That's right. That's Ellen White's family.
Unknown Speaker 1:11:02
Yeah. Bob Rice. It's your brother. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:11:07
They used to live there.
Speaker 1 1:11:10
I visited him years ago. Bob Yeah. How's his wife doing Emily because she wasn't well a few years ago but I've been out of touch
Speaker 2 1:11:25
sharing but actually Bob every now and then he's pretty good shape. Yeah he drives Yep.
Speaker 1 1:11:33
Yeah no I I'll call him yeah because he's on the way to see Henry Edward see them both probably talk to him he has the name capital out
Unknown Speaker 1:11:52
Yeah, that's right. Yeah for you blowing up a balloon
Speaker 1 1:12:04
Do you think anybody else and that might be able to help us with Saltspring Well, what about eBay from halt in that area? Because they must have used Saltspring community server people she
Speaker 2 1:12:18
I really don't know you could ask around. But I don't remember any of them. They're part of our reserve keeper on daily we split at a certain time 50s I think they're part of our reserve here but the working people stayed on that side because the tremendous and I don't know if any of them true they must have traveled to salt from they had to so close yeah, I think they just moved base right there it climbed begin ground and burgling as the biggest climb. Yeah, really? So
Speaker 1 1:12:57
you told me once it's certain days were better for certain types of Clans? Is that sort of true or
Speaker 2 1:13:04
any days Good day but the tides which watch Yeah, tides are really good. A good zero pagure Deep Water clams. If you get a path tides, broken tides, you get Jeff Grimes and turtleneck because they're closer and closer up to the beach. We really watch the tide on that time. So
Unknown Speaker 1:13:31
But was there any difference in quality? Like certain clams from certain beaches?
Speaker 2 1:13:37
Well, yeah, there's there's certain places you go. You don't want to taste muddy clams. And that was a favorite Saltspring they're all gravel because if you go down here and declines and you hit it a mud beach we'll get bearish case Marie.
Unknown Speaker 1:13:57
Even if you so come in, while you
Speaker 2 1:13:59
call it purge. You just put it in a bucket and leave it out there. They'll clean themselves. Yeah. Who's gonna wake up?
Unknown Speaker 1:14:08
Wake up tomorrow.
Speaker 2 1:14:10
Oh, my grandfather used to hang them up in a bucket. drilled for a hole from you to hang a bucket and leave it there they clean themselves.
Unknown Speaker 1:14:19
Yeah. Muddy in here yet.
Speaker 2 1:14:21
clean themselves. leave it hanging off the border off a buoy or something. They clean themselves matter of a couple of days. No case money.
Speaker 1 1:14:35
Interesting. So yeah. And he talked to people on couch and they always mentioned as part of the island as being you know, good clan area. Yeah. Apparently that people can couch and came there too. Yeah.
Speaker 2 1:14:48
I never seen or we never all traveled together. We always you know, managed to be in different places at different times. Wallace islands were a good place for better clams. I've been checked off so much yeah, that's that's a big each one further back on you say on the last island on Wallops Island there's a good good beach there for what our clients used to be a lot of waitresses here I think somebody picked it all and showed it
Unknown Speaker 1:15:24
in any name for Wallace
Speaker 2 1:15:29
I can't remember but I know the names of them though passes it should Matson and ye but I can't remember the names of the island but the past the past is the name William quiet. Where's that? That's the next one from Sean Matson Mr. Matson it's right here the first one
Unknown Speaker 1:15:52
secretary
Speaker 2 1:15:55
I got for you this is from Watson. Okay. And this next one is quiet Okay
Speaker 2 1:16:12
next one down is quantitative Blue Island they're real reef and it splits the island it's here somewhere I think there's a lot of butter plants in there but in here we got a lot of sea urchins that's where we get our sea urchins
Unknown Speaker 1:16:30
that'd be the main place to go
Speaker 1 1:16:43
do you remember seeing any signs of any will need a tax on their houses? Oh
Speaker 2 1:16:48
rock house used to be there along Wallops Island. It's still there right now. It's just a marker and I guess I don't
Unknown Speaker 1:16:55
know who that place. Yeah, I've heard of that place. Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:16:58
I've been there. And I looked at it. I couldn't figure out who might have lived there. There's even an old chimney Foundation have a chimney they're interesting. I think they'd won on this then to the first Wallace island so you go on a beach and you look up there's old chimney right there how long it's been there I don't know. needs to make their communities on the rocks? The pilot yeah dries Yeah. How to make a chimney the girl who lives there he's deaf my grandfather he said he didn't know either. He is crap you don't know can't know everything
Speaker 1 1:17:51
so when you can't do the play play this what kind of structures would you put up?
Speaker 2 1:17:54
You don't put any sleep on a boat or put a lien to off the logs? Yeah. You know blankets under a blanket over so the moist don't come down. We always pack canvas like Canvas stayed on the boat. Oh
Unknown Speaker 1:18:12
yeah.
Speaker 2 1:18:15
He says in case we get stuck then we'll be putting it up for sale
Speaker 1 1:18:23
that's interesting that that's the way I carry my boat around the canvas so it's probably later for the innovation on the old math it's nice to have a tendency to the maps or maps
Unknown Speaker 1:18:41
yeah out of Bora Bora that's what they used for Yeah, seems you may on and stuff
Unknown Speaker 1:18:53
like yeah walls I mean, it's a small purpose yet
Unknown Speaker 1:18:56
everything you can pretty well do anything. After it's dried too long and it busts up. You always make another one blush and Bora granny make another one. That's right.
Speaker 1 1:19:09
What about you recall any use or mention of delay Lake consulting the big St. Mary's like
Speaker 2 1:19:17
my grandfather never told me anything about that. You know, I'm sure they slightly used for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1 1:19:23
I know him. Henry told me that he's not there. It'd be deer and elk hunting before the alcohol killed off certain spots on the lake and really waiting for them to come down to the water. Harvesting cedar and stuff with the people from Cooper. I guess they just get it locally air locally. Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:19:48
cedar here. But anyway, you went you got you got something. Yeah, anywhere we went. Right. We ran that Walker. So go up and get medicine. Make tea leaves.
Unknown Speaker 1:20:01
What medicine tea would
Speaker 2 1:20:03
you get there? Were wild blackberries, willow, willow. Red Willow. White. Well, there are three different willows we got. One of them is good for tea. Katherine remember the name of it, but I can when I see it, I know you read this one, the reddish ones a little. Okay. It's just a painkiller. That one, the red, the red one
Unknown Speaker 1:20:37
you'd like to use the bark
Speaker 2 1:20:38
used to bark and they scrapped a sap off it like this. That's that's a painkiller for people's eyes. My grandfather says oh, you go get that for me and it's great but can I do that? Grandma's got X ray machines painkiller. So those are things we got
Speaker 1 1:21:03
just popped in my head I've come across references to a wild radish or something. Indian carrots you ever heard of stuff like that? I don't know what these these to harvest them on Salt Spring. Wild radish was kind of hot. They're white in
Unknown Speaker 1:21:17
their book this long. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:21:20
Yeah, you can get close to the end. You need to
Speaker 2 1:21:23
know I don't know the Indian name for it. But I know you could get them they got stocks here but this big Yeah, like a plan. You go and pull up their carry record carry their white Parson or so? Yeah, well, parsnip is supposed to be hot, spicy.
Unknown Speaker 1:21:40
I don't know. I've never had it.
Speaker 2 1:21:42
Yeah, I've never had had that either. And my grandfather would just say well no, we're not picking off. I said why not? He said well, well it was all hyped we picked other stuff like potato wild potatoes that weight of
Speaker 1 1:22:05
those islands out that way Oh, the wild potato with says that the cannabis cameras I guess Yeah. So you actually did you get that himself or Yep,
Speaker 2 1:22:14
we picked it out there. Oh god Gabriel Adam arrived okay, there's really lots out there. They got stocks about that beginning of blue flowers on it goes there you got River
Unknown Speaker 1:22:31
and how would they prepare those things?
Unknown Speaker 1:22:35
Call out Boiling Boiling
Speaker 1 1:22:40
Canvas it's another plant these people use us a lot anymore. And it's dying out because it needs people actually.
Speaker 2 1:22:50
You gotta cultivate it or it's gonna die just like our clamps. We don't cultivate it they're gonna die. Why what's
Unknown Speaker 1:22:59
really behind that? It's
Speaker 2 1:23:01
just that clams they grow and they die they Oh, and they die nobody there to
Speaker 1 1:23:08
get them before they die. Their pet Beach is going to be dead. It's going to stink. So it is just before the dead and the shells I guess. Yeah, but shells will be there. That's really interesting. You've got a parameter
Unknown Speaker 1:23:20
there get
Unknown Speaker 1:23:27
into a clan and a lot more.
Speaker 2 1:23:31
You take the big one with the little ones to grow.
Speaker 1 1:23:34
Take the big ones. You guys harvest the jack clams to watch the big ones. Like do you call it a horse planning what's the next size up? I often come across them in the big ones. First clams I guess Yeah.
Speaker 2 1:23:53
Yeah, we take closer. They're They're sweet. Sweet. They're sweet yet people some people just take the nose part cook because they're so sweet. Some people just take the sack part of the climb the stomach. It's called Yeah, they will take the noticebored over here on the South as you know people will harvest this and they won't harvest that and you ask them why now there's plenty to sweep the nose to sweet stick the sack by the stomach by a clamp there's lots of different things we don't do no more. Even the horse clowns hardly any people think that they will just go out and get water clams. Yeah, water glands butterflies because claims to go into car costs. We used to walk around all day barefoot getting a car cost because you can feel them under your feet. Yeah, get a digging stick and just pry All right out. Yeah, no, I love them. Good clams boil, boil them up, put them through the grinder and make clam patties out of them. That's so good. Same as ours class. They're so sweet.
Unknown Speaker 1:25:21
And they got tough. Nope. Wow.
Unknown Speaker 1:25:25
Yeah, of course clams the north part. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:25:29
That's the nose. Yeah. And
Speaker 2 1:25:31
you skinned them out. Take that black skin off and then grind them make lemonade climb Patty's?
Unknown Speaker 1:25:48
The name of your grandfather, your grandfather?
Unknown Speaker 1:25:52
Or Dazzle? Charlie. Charlie. Yes.
Unknown Speaker 1:25:55
You're down. Arden. Basil Charlie as your Dad No.
Speaker 2 1:26:02
In one book as he's written down as my father because I was always with them. Yeah. And they in that book, they called me August 20. Oh, we're in a picture standing together. They said basil currently in August training. And I always tell him no, that was August Sylvester, not August.
Speaker 1 1:26:25
Obviously this thing I got this is from Wayne Suttles. But the panellists village he recorded from a fellow named Leo Mitchell that's
Speaker 2 1:26:36
that's done Mitchell's father. Don Mitchell lives down here down on their waist.
Speaker 1 1:26:43
You just gave them a list of the houses and the different owners
Speaker 2 1:26:52
slop can yeah it's Jimmy Jimmy right there the first one
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Johnny
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see no a lot of these people call
Unknown Speaker 1:27:07
harvesting harvesting so that's one that Dan Johnson harvesting horsey milk housing costs Cosima I think David Johnny or do you Peter occupied by Peter and his sons
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on I'm seeing I'm seeing
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David Johnny
Unknown Speaker 1:27:59
I think that was the one that that name I was looking for. And seen that old man I was looking for that guy was John Hughes a mailman. You would that wave delivering mail? Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 1:28:20
Tony Yeah. Just to hit the head.
Speaker 2 1:28:23
This was him I think is Johnny he's one of Johnny's or PL but they were both brothers but one was called PL and one was Johnny PL He went that way. You bring them a male I think that's his brother. You have to ask Henry them
Unknown Speaker 1:28:44
Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:28:45
that one I think one of his families that name and fame Royce. Henry Henry son
Unknown Speaker 1:29:05
I don't know how to say that when
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Henry effort What do you remember for Henry's name and your name?
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And your your toilets? Yeah. No, I don't have a timer.
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I had it written down somewhere
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No, I don't
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know exactly what you were trying to say.
Unknown Speaker 1:29:46
No, no, I don't know the secret Alexa.
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See? See how right
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so a screening A hammock and Jack
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and then here's that your granddad's name now but he lived in a house or
Speaker 2 1:30:24
had something to do with it. Yep see she touched one of the sons is named that Dennis Charlie's name see if that's true that will Charlie's name is Hi quadrate
Speaker 2 1:30:55
whoo I don't know that Salem I would leave that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1 1:30:59
yeah he wasn't sure actually when Suttles wrote this all down this is written down in 49 and he wasn't sure if it's all accurate
Unknown Speaker 1:31:16
boy these names are lost a bit
Unknown Speaker 1:31:20
I'll make a copy of that and give it to you send it out you might be able to run it by some reason
Speaker 2 1:31:27
yeah and get names property because lots of these names are lost like Leslie Sam's name and Bill Sam. Like can be useful and there was another one that called Elmer use Walker the same bunch of boys. His name's Elmer Bill Sam's younger brother. I don't see his name here
Unknown Speaker 1:32:01
and what's your name? So if you say Salem like it's an old name from Syria. Nope. But
Speaker 2 1:32:12
to call my grandfather live from Cowdrey? Well, we're both. Kayla? Okay, wholesale as the Indian name of that cooks. I was here. Okay. Well, my grandmother was from Lysa.
Speaker 1 1:32:37
So we say we were working on a mystery on Fulford Harbor, you know, there's sort of a disputed coleford Harbor between Saanich and college and ownership. Yeah. And we've heard this story, who was the guy who lived on the reserve in the 20s with his wife, and his name was Charlie. Charlie, and some people say it was tonight, Charlie are tenants to
Unknown Speaker 1:32:59
a neck format?
Speaker 1 1:33:03
Me Yeah, yeah, that could be. And I can't remember the name is Weiss. Yeah. They disappeared. Something happened to them. Does that ring a bell? No,
Speaker 2 1:33:16
I kind of remember a man named Cole neck. In the wholesaler area, that's where he was from. There are people out to call up and cancel places out there. And keep an eye on that one long house on that and Salt Springs.
Speaker 1 1:33:35
We mean that and yet that sounds really
Speaker 2 1:33:39
bad. Keep an eye on that. And because they're, and they had one in general obey. These things I don't know, too. Clearly whereabouts and Saltspring. on that end. That'd be
Speaker 1 1:33:56
nice. So would that be working a certain specific family would have that house and then what kind of house all the
Speaker 2 1:34:03
people when they travel? They all stayed someone? Oh, one other places. So anybody here? Anybody could have stayed there? Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:34:11
It'd be down in the south and the Saltspring. Yeah, that would be our house.
Speaker 2 1:34:15
Stop there. If it was, you know, the
Speaker 1 1:34:19
genoa Bay is yeah, that place they get this tunnel. I don't know you name. Paint
Unknown Speaker 1:34:34
what tunnels could be at?
Speaker 2 1:34:40
Because that's the name I just heard my grandfather would be on there. And then that Saltspring goes along asking price on that they're actually now people talk about oh, we own that. You might own that part. Nobody ever own it. Anything that was all the shared places that we had
Speaker 1 1:35:05
people that own their own house here? Yeah. Kind of owners. Yeah. And your own like camping, designated camping area where everybody
Speaker 2 1:35:12
went, Yeah, everybody went there. When the salmon was coming through that narrows, this week to come to the river, our people went there and intercepted the salmon, harvest all the code from dogs and springs, dry, smoke, and then bring it home. So those are different camping grounds for our people. Interesting.
Unknown Speaker 1:35:40
There'll be an Indian name for a campground, temporary one,
Speaker 2 1:35:44
a temporary one real old home like this. Some like they say they own everything here. Think call at a stone. A really old area. We own everything here. Even the ocean there's a lot of different ways to say it. But that's where we say it here. Thank you. Natural meaning for it.
Speaker 1 1:36:17
And warehouses given individual names like meal days, and they had these big houses along the beach. Yeah.
Speaker 2 1:36:25
It's just shown for if you had a house here that your house and your your name was, oh, okay,
Speaker 1 1:36:31
that house. Remember when you pass on it, whatever. That's sort
Speaker 2 1:36:35
of, it doesn't just go to anybody, it goes to the next strongest person in your household. All all people listen to the owners of each longhouse. They were the leaders personally owned the longhouse and was given a longhouse, or own that longhouse. He was the smart person to tell you where to hunt, where to fish, what time of the year to be there, what time of the year to be, so within the year, he knows where all the food is. He knows which way they're coming. You know, you don't, you don't just go somewhere in Saona, they're going to come right by here, which gotta wait for waiting there forever. Nothing coming through there. You got to know all these little things. The car gonna move, they're not going to come here. They're not going to come right here to you, you got to go to a certain rock the drug delivery, they're not going to stay there. When they're finished spawning, they're gonna move away. You've got to know where they're going. If you don't know that you're gonna start to get a car people won't pick you for later in the morning. They won't tell you where to go and fish.
Speaker 1 1:38:00
And that that knowledge have come from like 1000s of years living here and being passed down. From
Speaker 2 1:38:06
you know, their place. Like you say to you, you What is it to be an elder, they tell us that this is a part of it. This is a part where you've got to know where you can tell your children say well, you go to your point on a map and trauma factory where this is where the rock is gonna be. This is where the red snappers are going to be. This is where the boys are. This is where the Claude Fisher you got to know all these little things. And you just wait for the spring salmon winter springs. You're going to come here. They're going to be here in December. That's what time they're here in thick brown out the front. Springs. So you want to catch a big red spring salmon destroy your fish? I don't know they still come in. I've been long time since I rode.
Speaker 1 1:39:01
Really you could just throw off the air and spit out
Speaker 2 1:39:05
Long Beach and outdoors nowhere Island and come back in the spring salmon. We're always here. Use number five or number four Super diamond. That was our favorite spoon. Yeah
Speaker 1 1:39:28
that was the economy. So people made their living I had to have that exact knowledge.
Speaker 2 1:39:37
Because I remember our people hanging in the long houses to smoke. They never use smoke overseas too long. But one day I hear like really I'm here and it's come it up. They got wrong. Wrong. Little trees long once and they put it in there and they Hang up fish on another stick to pick up on a ladder and they don't hang it over the seats otherwise you'd be getting dripped on the over the center. Yeah, just off the fire not exactly center where the fire is just kind of off to one side where it's just smoke knowing.
Unknown Speaker 1:40:20
And so it's unique family who have their own little section
Unknown Speaker 1:40:23
that they're all not too close together. They think it's smoke like that, right?
Speaker 1 1:40:32
I guess things have changed like the old days. I guess everyone had their own long house. Like the families now it's a communal or,
Speaker 2 1:40:38
well, when I'm planning to go they did have different families. Like one family here in one corner. Like this is a long house. Yeah. One family, one family who wants to hear one family or one family. They all had their own flower in front of each corner. One day share food and they walk around with it to share what we there was a house that was shared, like a community owned like one family had. Like I might have about four or five brothers. I let him stay in my house. We all live in that house. So it's probably the week goes all the way along. I'm sure out. The leader of that house is picked. And he tells them what to do where to go where to hunt for the fish where our churches where to do clams
Unknown Speaker 1:41:49
that you don't overdo anyplace. And when somebody wants to know some who's your elder and his pick by the knowledge, how much you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2 1:42:07
All those things are when elders have to knows where to harvest and what time of the year they're going to come out. What when, when is deer going to have these warrants once and you're going to be fat at one difference at that little notch coming out of the ground. That's when a deer is going to be sworn back to him he's gonna get stuck at that same time they use that for washing their hair and a woman. So they have good hair, black hair, as well as the skunk cabbage. All the things we don't use anymore. We don't do that anymore. People are too much shampoo and soap
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inside.
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Yeah,
Speaker 1 1:42:54
that's good. We've heard that story. Similar stories from member girl told us about you go fishing a certain time that when the Ocean Spray was in a certain you remember any other plants that sort of give you that kind of information? Yeah, there's a lot of other things like I was wondering how the elders would you know, they didn't know watches, newspapers, so how are they telling you just think I'm playing
Speaker 2 1:43:23
the hummingbirds. I remember how much they get here. end of April and you start fishing springs out the Gulf. The first springs and goes come out to go because for all the way out there and stay out there and wait for them because that time when the hummingbirds were skinnier, the fish couldn't be out to go. We used our favorite place within k will be used to count along their good every Bald Mountain and outside our cap and grounds all our people fish out in the tide runs not with the island like this. It runs in well back and forth throughout the Fraser River. A different stream that comes in like that goes along the beaches. So your fish back and forth need to stay longer dropped. You want to go meet them in your control all the way out. This bag comes straight in from the Gulf that's when fishing really status on that April when the hummingbird shows up. Start thinking about your calendar that's your that's a guy come to remind you you got to go fishing
Unknown Speaker 1:44:56
other things off as
Speaker 2 1:44:59
well. How to control you that's what they use Taman birch well what's the bait? Well the shiny red spot shiny green spot for dogs who died on and off so we put in the water it's spinning like this way and green ones were used for the springs and the red ones are huge for the poles so we that's why they were waiting for the hummingbirds
Unknown Speaker 1:45:28
Yeah How the heck would you catch and hummingbird
Speaker 2 1:45:30
shooting with a slingshot console costs sit down a beach and some people can just throw a rock and hit them they take part and go give it to their fishermen the leverage fishermen and their family they know what to do with it. I used to do that for my grandfather try no we use common bridge for the bait
Unknown Speaker 1:45:58
interesting. I
Speaker 2 1:45:59
never heard that. Yeah, that's a spinner little spinner is that sometimes you can see a newer back there you can just see the official necom and hit the big splash econ. Yep, big gun that's a party tie onto the hook put it through like that the flat part here she's just yeah, the beat comes up through the hook and then you tie the beak onto the shaft part
Speaker 1 1:46:29
and so look at the down under that where the breast is where the
Speaker 2 1:46:33
where the with the death part and that's how you've examined there are in that time and April they're so shallow and they're so plentiful you just just put it down there put it down under there now we use climax we don't use our members that are still our calendar members
Speaker 1 1:47:05
yeah tell you when other things in the calendar would be
Speaker 2 1:47:09
clues well that's one of them. The major one that we use when the first wind comes now wintertime we watch for that first wind because the ducks are gone now with that when Northwind yeah
Speaker 1 1:47:26
it's like a week or so ago I noticed that first yeah
Speaker 2 1:47:32
right after summer and they really blow fire ignited while they're bringing the ducks home my grandfather used to say that foam does because we can go that way they bring a duck here and it's true long time ago needs to be so much ducks here and now we got nothing
Speaker 1 1:47:50
few changes in some mess. Like what about gearing up to be important here
Speaker 2 1:47:53
it's a big it's a big food that doesn't
Unknown Speaker 1:47:58
it's one of the first things that shows up
Speaker 2 1:48:00
yeah in in end of March March you can wait for them to spawn come up on a beach and you miss the first spawn all you'll get next spawn is this middle and small ones but the first ones are big ones
Speaker 1 1:48:16
big so that's one people would wait or yes you haven't they know what's coming in.
Speaker 2 1:48:23
Take swatch for it you gotta watch for it yet the favorite place as well was down into Thetis in this bag Lambay and yellow point those were the favorite spot for hearing we keep hearing they come right in this come right along this beach. There was so much that they come on a beach and the march it's already in daylight that was to run along the beach connecting them up with a little boy I remember doing that there's so much of them now there's hardly any Yeah, last year I went out last winter and all I come home with was little one small little ones like those are errands or babies
Unknown Speaker 1:49:13
everything else just fishing it out too much
Unknown Speaker 1:49:16
yeah
Speaker 1 1:49:25
what do you know about the connection between Panella and whole Meltzer? The what the connection like? Like I'm interested in that village that was on the south end of Kuper for Metsa and they must have used salts Manos guys while we're still on. Yes, so they're all validated.
Speaker 2 1:49:48
That's right anyways reserve Yeah. Yeah. Same, same, my own get same. Same bunch of people, right. Lots of those people never came back. Watch those people that lived there are gone now they're there they're not here where they went I don't know there's Indian names in that area in the in the archives nobody knows who belongs to right the last budget comeback was a Wilson's from across their auctions yet rocky Wilson that's right I guess family those guys these clip down here will make I think some of them look down on Saltspring
Unknown Speaker 1:50:41
Girl Yeah, yeah
Speaker 1 1:50:51
same name acre for the end act exactly the same yeah
Speaker 2 1:50:59
we hear that. I'm not sure if it's both the same name. But I hear my grandfather say that. I don't know if he meant that one. Or this one. Actually pointed which way we're gone. So that's good family and main island. That's why you travel that way. Oh, yeah. Family. They're escaping that reserve there. Right. Jax, Jax. That's the only ones I remember to steal some living there. I don't know. They sold them there. The last time I remember they were still there.
Speaker 1 1:51:45
Did your grandpa ever talk about going to the freezer because you know, the old days are the people who used to go every year little
Speaker 2 1:51:51
island used to talk about Blue Island all the time. That's one of our favorite places. He says that's where we go to start when the fish come up. That way he's bringing salmon I'll be British cheeses. And he said when people lined up to go that way when the winds kind of blowing North when they go to train trying to hack that's a big bay on the other end of Valdez Moya I get the sales ready sales no she can't they wait for a kind of little half decent wind not a real big wind otherwise they'll flip over. They shouldn't have clean pass. They don't go up the Fraser with a shooting the clean pass right in there. I don't take long to get there on the sail across.
Speaker 1 1:52:40
So awesome. So everybody don't go once Yep, didn't go on the day.
Speaker 2 1:52:45
They're ready to go. Everybody didn't go all at once. Maybe two or three can log in they go across groups when they ready. Travel they traveled together certain families all traveling off the Fraser Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:53:08
Yeah, it should still do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 1:53:12
That's where they used to trap fish. Build little like a weird when we're in poetry. Yeah. Well they build one backpack over there to come to be like that. They leave that part open we shoot through the Fisher net there and pull them up company in a boat but that's where it's so flat and shallow and I can rely on they could do it that way
Unknown Speaker 1:53:41
yeah, it should be coming in but you never went over and did
Speaker 2 1:53:47
that don't that's too long ago for me yeah
Unknown Speaker 1:53:52
took over and Yep.
Speaker 2 1:53:55
had one of those that Pender island in the bay there we're yeah like that just like that crap all the fish they had nowhere to go except in that press all all sapling for measure. Fish couldn't get through. They just had to go. They were herded into it. nowhere to go except crap.
Speaker 1 1:54:28
efficient way to do it. Well, I'm just gonna
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You have a computer
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I'm not smart enough to not have one.
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You can keep that one. I think
