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09.03.2023

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Unknown Speaker 0:00
that'll keep it one story and start failing. And failing ever since we've worked on it back on the Atlantic and the Pacific Ocean, Beaufort Sea and the north, on the Mediterranean, on the Great Lakes in the Gulf of Mexico. In two seasons, they are in the middle of two out of Halifax, and probably out of that experience came, first of all. Very good life. Still in demand, even though he is very Kaplan, and totally know, on the law harder to do awesome. And publish the book laid on the water last November. And I felt that I knew that you can have a launch party or something is celebrated. And this, in fact, is the first of a number of movies that will celebrate local office. And I really, really think that's a good thing to do. Because I had a vested interest in that. But I think that if somebody comes up with a little party, so I'm thinking of this as a bit of a celebration. And the good thing, meticulous craft craftsman. And you'll, you'll see that in the book, there are two copies, by the way back to your black coffee. She won't be really prepared, but he will be able to send you a copy when he was producing his book, but when it was introduced by the publisher, I was also working on a book. And it was interesting because he was exactly in terms of demand and publishing, more photographs, better reproduction. And he was getting old and I was looking for more photos, or text. And I would bet my publisher girl was not doing all that well. So I was kind of jealous. And you also sent out one letter and immediately the publisher was there. Whereas I send many letters. Anyway, I won't say anymore, my good friend

Unknown Speaker 2:43
thank you very much for inviting me here today.

Unknown Speaker 2:50
I don't there's much more to say Charles to set it off. I appreciate the fact that you're scheduled to bring me here to start this early today. So I can catch my ferry. But I don't know if the ferries are running out because of high winds. So they call me

Unknown Speaker 3:12
first and foremost, I got impressed by the fact I'm not a historian and Nora, my photographer. But I have very keen interest in green history as I do in photography and the accumulation compilation of the two interests coincided in the book. Multiple my loves ended up that was that was the reason for the book. And the reason I did it. This is my second book is Charles said first one was on the Bluenose. The first one was a history on the Bluenose and Bluenose. Two and that gave me an introduction into maritime archives while I was living in Halifax, Nova Scotia, and myself rolling around for a while. That got me interested in archival maritime photography. Yeah, actually, the original idea behind the book started while I was in Nova Scotia in the 1970s with a conversation I had with Neil Jonna. She was the curator at the Maritime Museum in Halifax at the time. And he told me that he didn't believe there was any maritime history on the West Coast, we're speaking out. And while being a boy from British Columbia, as soon as I get back out here, again, I started looking through the archives and see what I can do about that. What I can do about it sort of prove them wrong. And that's really what got me started. When I started looking at the collections, it took me a while. I started in 1991 I couldn't believe what was available to the public just for the asking, just going into an archive and getting somebody to show you around and start looking through photographs or information. It was all there. It's all for you. It's all it's for the public. And I was just stunned. I came across One remarkable photograph after another and soon realized that many have been buried in the archives for far too long, and deserve to be taken off the shelves and brought into the light of day and appreciated, admired by the public at large. Another book seemed the obvious way to do it. Having decided that there was a book out there, it took me a while before I was organized enough to get started. But once I did, I was what became began as a tenant of exploration in the provincial archives turned into a six year obsession involving research and music, maritime museums, public libraries, city archives, small museums, private collections all up and down the coast. I had originally began searching for photographs of commercial shipping under sale, but soon broadened the parameters to include just about anything but maritime nature. During this period, I estimate I looked at approximately 300,000 images. Now that might seem like a lot of photographs, but the holding that is province or just a max, BC provincial is something like 8 million images. The Vancouver Public Library has 400,000. And maybe, you know, a third of that, or a quarter of that is actually on display and the rest are buried deep and you only have access, you can get rid of it as your card catalogs, accession files. It seemed the deeper I got into a collection, the more surprises I found, I found images that remained on scene even by the staff of these functions for 50 years or more. My excitement is contagious. And often this stock was a surprise to delighted as I was, you know, every time I went into a place that just seemed I never got skunked, I always found something that was really fresh and exciting and new. Never never get lost. The, to me a beautiful photograph is like a work of art, like a painting it is it has to be balanced and well composed. It has to have drama and evoke a mood or tell a story. It has to have those qualities that capture the eye and the imagination. The photographs that interested me and had these qualities and their story was the history of this coast. Photographs have generally been used to illustrate and accompany text, and are often poorly reproduced and crop beyond all recognition. What I wanted to do is produce a volume that would represent some of the best work of photography, photographers of this coast, haven't reproduced in large format. And using the latest type of high quality, reproduction, in essence have been reproduced as they should have been like they were originally done. Most of the early photography, photographs were not taken on a whim, the immense bulk of equipment. And the expense of the operation kept most photographers into the studio. But those that ventured out into the field would carefully consider their subject before setting up their equipment to take a picture. The thought and consideration that was given to the subject often resulted in photographs of great clarity and beauty. The fact that they are all black and white is also a bonus as far as I'm concerned. I've always found them to have a special appeal and timeless equality that color cannot just cannot match. After a while I found that finding enough images wasn't the problem. My living room floor was often covered with piles of photocopies and the family budget was sometimes stretched from the three productions that I would order. But in the end, the selection post process had to be purely subjective. However, I did try to balance different areas of interest and reflect as well as possible the development of the coast. Once I had chosen an image, I had to research the story behind it. This took time and volume was evolving, verifying and checking rechecking the fox, even then a few mistakes of five is a few of you might have noticed. It often felt like detective work trying to identify a ship or a dock for work at a date. Most of the photographers whose work is included in this book remain unidentified, and others remain giants in their fields to this day. We are fortunate to have this legacy left to us by those observers of our past and lucky that the developments and photography coincided with the development of this coast. The photographs or windows into our history and the VISTAs the ships in the docks and the people that are the subjects are as fascinating and inspiring to me as I'm sure they weren't to them those photographers that observed and recorded them in the first place. Now I'd like to I'd like to show you a selection of photographs from the book and talk about them a bit is going on in Charles with me. Sure.

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Unknown Speaker 10:21
this is a sailing ship cambier in 1940 by sailing out of Vancouver harbour this this photograph is probably wasn't in the late 40s and 50s probably wasn't most readily identifiable photographs and just putting your shipping offices in North America and it's kind of ironic that this is the latest picture that I will show you. So the sailing ship in the earliest picture I will show you is a motor vessel. But this is actually a January 1946 Six and it's under the from the deck of the tux no home edge from Ireland target parish taken by a man named Hugh Fripp Yeah, masters to these townships who shed no engines would often have their ships towed as much as 75 miles off off the shore, ensure especially in Gales like they're mature they had plenty of secret before they cut their job. Well, the master this ship is called up put up for upper and lower capsules, and was readily overhauling the the total and she had finally to cut loose and she's not away from that a lot of back leave for New Zealand next month okay. This is the back of the same ship where the atomizer was very well known. These are very rare these turned up because this is one of about three dozen little tiny photographs are both two by one by two inches. That ended up in the BC maritime museum archives donated by a man that was a decoy on the parameter from 1944 to 1946. And they just they're kind of abuse of that deck of the sailing ship they're very rare to see something like this, these boys are are known in the trade of the sailing ship. Ships husbandry, everything was made on boarding and could be worker or fixed on board was on onboard cost down. These guys are setting up see the sales next this is one of the the fines that would almost make you cry for life. This is very, very, very deep in the Vancouver Public archives. There was no copy of it, it was only a eight by 10 class plate. That public hadn't been brought out in the state since it was donated in the 40s to the to the the archives of the Vancouver Public Library and special collections. And so the CD ran a sealing vessel around 1910 brought to town took a bit of data and looking at photographs from around that era to find out exactly what the ship was. But it shows the across a mix of cultures of Western and native cultures or if you're European crew in the foreground there who said Indians in the back were known as some of the best hundreds on the COVID you can see that Western style there are European designs already in the front which is specially designed for sealing in the background you can see the Indian thing and finding out which is their version.

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Soon as I saw this in black and white in reverse image on my tank last night, I just knew it was gonna go in the bucket

Unknown Speaker 13:56
This is Miss Betty Brown at the launching of the ship Mabel Brown. Her mother was a sponsor of it.

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This is on July 17 1970. It was the first shipbuilding boom of a British Columbia. In the wall a shipyard there was 12 of these vessels being built and there were six being built in North van at Wallace and six in Victoria. And they were being basically built to save the BC lumber industry from collapse. Because all the shipping was happening in the Second World War was the toll was being taken in the North Atlantic. And so many ships were being something that wasn't enough to carry our lumber to foreign ports. So they enacted the shipping act in 1917 to support the industry to build ships to transport the products. This is particularly interesting. The ship refused to budge when she launched because the grease on the skid weighed being January and hardened so when they took the brakes off and knocked the block so she wouldn't slide down the way. They had to wait two weeks later and until it warmed up I guess she'd gone. Next please. This isn't Victoria Harbour it's the SS worn a noose is the photograph taken by Carol Fleming in 1918. And this was almost a direct result of the naval brown classic schooner has ever been built. Interested the imperial ambitions for an England to build ships wouldn't ship something on the coast here. It has a great many buildings a huge shipbuilding. This is one of them that was being built called the war news. This in Victoria Harbour there were 2800 Tiny cargo ships. You can see how it works the word workers in the foreground in the background. It was one of 27 such steamers built in BC during World War One. It was approximately 20,000 people at this launching. Anybody knows Victoria can see in the background here. Building ersatz as a company. It's interesting in October 2, I was now watching the launching of the Pacific race which is assaults inside the vessel and it was a very similar sort of way. My hope children are getting the orders between Iran and ship very interesting to watch looking at her journey across the Hudson Bay Company, supplier and over here the big timber going across the back there is a strong backbone you the runner in place before she slides into the water so she wants a lot of back and forth and damage the rudder

Unknown Speaker 16:45
This is the princess Kathleen and I can tell you if you see very often I kind of find for the days on the linen and silverware nicely appointed furnishings is that in 1925 she she and her sister ship Princess Marguerite dominated the Triumph triangle run the Victoria Vancouver in Seattle. Unfortunately, she sank in a point Alaska in 1952. She ran aground. Hope you're well on a rocky foreshore everybody's got ashore and the tide went out. Stern went down and she fled from the stern version slid out into the channel and

Unknown Speaker 17:34
here is your classic shots that were taken by CDR for publicity purposes. This is out of a leather bound folio. Thank you for your time exam that was presented to Sammy Robinson was a master of the Empress of Russia. Is that in 1914 is the first class lounge. She was built in Scotland. It's not for me. She was built for built in Scotland for CPR specifically for the Empress of Russia and her sister ship the Empress of Asia every minor at the time. Absolutely gorgeous.

Unknown Speaker 18:23
It's your makes your day when you're flipping through photographs in the archives and beautiful cemetery taking graving dock in a spy mall in 1929 Stanford's of Canada. She'd gone aground near Albert head on October the 13th in 1929 and heavy fog just coming back from England after the engine. She was maneuvering very slow because of the heavy fog but she's still required to she she got to considerable damage requiring 20 plates replaced on her on her bottom. They were day and night for 18 days to get her back in service and only missed one scheduled sale

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one car started up they had the railway leaving the coast they wanted to get a connection service across

Unknown Speaker 19:21
across the Pacific to the Orient as quick as possible. So they put into service several ships missing one of them steamship morphia, which was chartered chartered just for that purpose was taken 1887 by the famed Montreal photographer William not. The other vessels alongside his cooling Kalkan, she had credit history on the coast Her name is Robert curd, but this is one to three the CPR had used as an interim massive vessel for across the Pacific until both its own fleet

Unknown Speaker 19:58
she had a killer Excel propulsion ship also had one of the longest legs on the coast continued to 1956 in one form or another

Unknown Speaker 20:19
this is the SF Tolmie in 1922 3d your classic shot of a ship at sea built for Victoria ship owners limited but at such huge costs it was three of them to be built that they went bankrupt and two of the others were their frames are broken up and sold the fire would never completed. She was taken over by the Canadian government merchant marine from 1921 23 carry cargo cargoes to Japan and Australia. And this is on a return trip from Australia in 1922 and the vessel encountered severe winds I was forced into why for repairs see whatever panels is blown out from whenever foreclosure

Unknown Speaker 21:10
is one of my favorite shots in the entire book. It's a fairly well known shot and it's interesting that he predicts the better Gets Better It Gets sometimes I had a third shot of this floating around and is fairly well known but he's a very contrasting and high grain and very severely cropped and I finally got into this has largely largely uncataloged collection by ewe Crocker searching through it and lo and behold came up with an original print at the original shot of this story, it's very fine grain. See the audience prior to these prospects are getting around and finally, finally after that last week vessels Victoria Harbour and it sits at the foot of Montreal st Victoria next month.

Unknown Speaker 22:08
This is a photograph that really inspired the name of the book light on the water, like charcoal like sketch quality to it. And it shows the next enterprise for the harvest was sealing vessels drying or sales in the background. I'm starving to work as a checkpoint and the local crops that are showing how because the Caterpillar was becoming around I can have very vibrant recreational industry at the same time. The building on the extreme right on the water is a floating Courthouse with the original security directly above it is Malahat still exists in Victorian law and the vessel that's here this one right there actually still exists today. It's called the Dorothy and it's one of the oldest ships in BC are both of these things she's built me tonight and she's been restored now she belongs to the Maritime Museum in British Columbia

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shipowners when you get photographs that were shipped support, the only real easy way to do it was to split the lines and let the boat float out to your lines are often slapped on the side that take them short. All the crew is lined up like that. Right on down to the Chinese stewardess. This is the ISS news. And she was used as a shuttle shuttle barges between Vancouver and Lady Smith under an agreement with the railway spelt the 1908 by the FEC marine railway in Esquimalt. And sailed until 1946 for help now lives in a breakwater that stuck in Royston below the ground Big Brother that has a high believable 16 chips in it. And she liked along with them. It was interesting with this the book has fringe benefits when you bring it out and you get people from calling you hopefully not telling you to stay in for a few of those fortunately by adding even more information of the photographs are of interest and I had a man fill out those the some of the cameras they gave him the name of every person on here

Unknown Speaker 24:48
this is the cat follows. In December 16 1918. She's one of six five masters Gafford schooners go by Lyle ship Eric North Vancouver and this is training for sea trials and that photograph was taken by one of the premier photo companies in Vancouver at the time there are many in total company and the ships didn't fare well. But they are they were purchased by a Belgian businessman. Daniel refused upon arrival. The Kafala was forced to another she she ran aground in Yorkshire in 1926 patch and taken until she broke her drift and fall weather with 17 men on board and was found after a seven hour search the men were rescued and she's broken half a few hours later and sank almost immediately. But she's felt that a Douglas fir had small exhilaration, the most detail unlike the maple, maple, maple, Maple brown facet vessels This one's getting a revolver excellent

Unknown Speaker 26:05
this one I like grandpa vessels Prince Rupert, aground on Gen Island and 19 Seven teen taken by WWE Westfall. As two hours after midnight departure from Prince Rupert and fall weather and poor visibility. She ran aground at Genoa which she had to sit there for about two weeks before they lost the rock away from her interior. Get refloated contributor had lots of mishaps mishaps in her career unfortunately, but she sailed down to two services donated this beautiful thought there was many of the ship to the shore the trees are two feet away so the passengers could just walk off when the tide went out. She landed on falling tide

Unknown Speaker 27:06
this picture was taken by SJ Thomson, Vancouver photographer and it's taken I believe the departure day it's an 1898 and it's an unidentified vessel but it's on a wait on his way to the Yukon Gold Rush. Solving for coal and also getting checked by by customers you can see them in class and the BC provincial police that are sitting over here here and over there checking papers that these people use whether it while they're in Canadian waters. You can only hope that these guys had better costume and we're better fitted for the norm than they were wearing right here. Continue on your way. But there was hundreds of new ships going up and down the coast. I think miners find the fortune. Thanks. This is a photograph taken by Hannah mandritto Victoria. He was on the preeminent photographers in Victoria, who was spied on vanguard in her work at the time. She did a lot of studio work and excel and do a collage work hundreds of photographs of children all photo montage together and this one is taken at the city of Kings Queens crew which is a Seattle based or Tacoma based both the rebranding between Gallup calm and and Victoria to like have her work and had work done on the floor or floral arrangement. And the ship itself was rammed to como harbor and at night and saying that not before it exploded long enough everybody to get off somebody's killed Excellent.

Unknown Speaker 29:10
This is a CPR doc fire and July 27 1938 ticking by Stan Williams. The princess Adelaide and the Princess Charlotte were alongside at the time. Nobody really determined how the fire started. But the creosoted here took off in a matter of 15 or 20 minutes. Yeah, the two ships just barely got off and away from them the dockside and tiny leather scorched and burn. It was the homeless Princess ships since 1914. And it was not rebuilt some say at the beginning of the Zodiac CPR pretty dramatic victory

Unknown Speaker 29:57
the first photograph I showed you of the app I'm here in 1946 being the latest one, this is the earliest photograph that I that was a maritime nature. And it's of the the HMS satellite. It was taken at 58. At the time of the Gold Rush, Fraser River gold rush. She's by Governor Douglas to enforce some sort of order in crude with the short fort Langley in the interest appraiser to document and record everybody was coming in 1000s of miners. It's interesting this was also a different type of rent. It wasn't a dry plate it was called the collodion process, which is a very messy, stinky, smelly process that had to be done on the spot with a glass plate and polished it in a dark, dark under a darkened screen. For the sticky solution floating over it evenly

Unknown Speaker 30:57
pour it over. semi hard about it so very tacky and when I put it in the camera will still down take the picture and development still down.

Unknown Speaker 31:09
We can say with the job that was you would normally do in the darkroom or in the studio. It's very difficult to do on the in the fields. And this is taken by the Royal Navy in this process up for us in England as far as I can. And you can see it that'd be unevenness, the quality of the image. Downsides here. quality, the quality areas it has been poured and manipulated across the plate before it was taken. Next week this gorgeous shot I thought I'd say archives Victoria is certainly the MP on the Leander to naval ships. It's an 1897 Just an exquisitely clear shot. All struck polished and painted or bunting up Jubilee Diamond Jubilee of Queen Victoria you see done set in the background. Both carry 10 six inch guns and Portofino tubes. The Afghan ran aground on callate bluff and 1889 November the sixth with Lord Stanley as party on board the Governor General had to have 35 plates placed at Victoria machinery depot it was one of the first major jobs that was actually done in the depot rather than waiting for taking chips and having a dumbed down elsewhere. They are McKeel aren't quite sure how many feet of it it's hard to tell if it's all accordion depth and sits at the corner there. But if you can help Burke Douglas and Dr. Burks was pretty calm to that video 30 This day

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this is a stereoscopic photograph which is very popular and you could turn it on of any images if you make a 3d image if you have a camera that has two, two lenses about two and a half inches apart. Kind of take two separate photographs. The photographs were printed and mounted on a card side by side by side. And then then it would be dude in a carpool we call the stereoscopic camera that would make a 3d image is very, very popular. This is the HMS Warspite Victoria and the graving dock being a very this is a flagship of Charles Hoffman and this is taken in 1891 by Richard Maynard, the husband of animator collage photographer

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This is a bunion Bay on Vancouver Island. He bought or ships with a way to load coals at the Union color rewards. Discovery of high grade coal and 1940s Thank you Ryan very popular place especially for the populace of California. Firstly get this seams and needed as much fuel as I could get. So most of this stuff on So originally it was just later that we ships and canoes and later barges and then finally it was a build tramway straight from that they call the retreat down to the words you can still see the final lap from San Juan Island in the background. memorial plaque there

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This is an extremely rare shot of salesmanship and distress. This is a rather well known line farmer take the 1950 ships come up from the seaports and enter the Strait of Juan de Fuca. Very few would try and make the straits themselves. Wind prefer very favorable and usually only in summertime. Big highs and steady winds in the wintertime, especially they would wait off. Get flattery, talking back and forth. The ships are friendly and manageable. Things were shipped as opposed to a foreign average ship sooner and they wait for a tow this one couldn't find one that attacked back and forth and got caught in a gale and blown ashore just so they feel you got both bankers, their sales are shredded. She's sailing cold. That cold guy set but they I believe that they don't mind if I cannot say my vessel I've already launched one vote which has gone turned up so right now I'm trying to launch another one. I believe 25 people on board by per se this picture was taken from that Princess bye for now. But just poke your nose out from the female just to take a look to see what the weather it was like insulation and distress came down trying to save her like she was honest on the rocks couldn't come in very close I tried to stream a line down to her but was unsuccessful. A huge she came up carpet the mind back anchor table come across when she rolled over lock destroy yourself on the same way for the anchor windlass Francis McLamb would also anchor down and uncheck the gaping hole in your cortex so she had to learn to feel it. They thought all of us lost on board the five survive

Unknown Speaker 37:11
this is one of the rare shocks you come across very magnesium rich Columbian Victoria it was just entered under the nation maintenance and nothing else and it's not something you'd look for normally when you're looking for sailing ships are enhanced by a lot of these images get lost or remain undisturbed but as surely as harbor in time determine time but it's somewhere to believe from 1868 to 1880 ships floating around putting lumber there to the golf course you can see the holes in the ball and Skateway didn't put up there and the Roku and planks that make up the the dockside is exquisite shots, to have the shots together that almost MegaPath around on the back plate there was explicitly clear

Unknown Speaker 38:13
this is the SS Caribbean the 1912 and Bullins way and it's by Ma shipyard also taken by girl finding. It shows repairs being made on the same ship or being a runner has been removed and what looks like the main onboard ship observing the workflow should belong to the east Asiatic company of Denmark and it was much like the East India Company I think when she decided to start trading setting up trading on the company get on the west coast because the opening of Panama Canal was going to happen within a couple of years and they wanted to be on the ground floor betrayed and she still traded. The company is still trading this past decade and the diver and their hardware has sent them straight

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this became part of heroes heroes operation and

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some say the word World War Two three hit this goes very much but certainly hit this ship the F word promotion. In June of 1942. She was at north north sands type ship was built in BMD in Victoria for the US war administration and then leased to the British Ministry of War transport. Automation voyage Philippi when she was about 70 miles northeast of Cape Flattery and was attacked by a Japanese submarine. Ship wouldn't sink because it's full of plywood. Much to the distress of the Japanese commander I'm sure they told They're into Neah Bay on the American shore and found Well she's still floating. So they dragged her across to this final Harbor. And that's where she is. In this picture. You can see the water pouring on the bottom and two sailors hanging on there at some size, extensive damage. But the gutter all patched up and fired into service and she continued working. She went out into the Atlantic and survived the Atlantic convoys and sailed right up until 1960.

Unknown Speaker 40:35
This is just 1000s upon 1000s of one pound tins of Fraser River salmon, from the Phoenix cannery in 1881 10s are put into the bowls and sandwiches taken around the world, taken around Cape Horn to Europe. They're pretty primitive counting techniques. Imagine the solder content and electron that was very high poles in the tops of these things and scale them off and then a big glob of solder was put on top of

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Hancock and BB. And a lot of salmon, it's no wonder we don't have any left today.

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Next place this is the interior of our ship in Vancouver harbour in 1925. stated by William Moore, virtual geography and Vancouver shotgun sounds very rare because hardly any photography went into the workplace in a document that we're excited to ship the operations but very seldom the shots on the show. So each pattern has a typical freighter of the day how all the cargo I didn't separate it for to stop shipping bag flour from Alberta. And crude posing as part of the volume of the Bank of America. Really, just days before I was making my final decisions on what I was going to choose, and it's just filled with shots like this. It's kind of wonderful. But they're not ADW very seldom run across these

Unknown Speaker 42:28
shot and the next one are taken by one of the giants of photography in British Columbia Leonard Frank. He came to prominence in 1898 started his career in Port Alberni and moved up a few years later in Vancouver, instead of an enormous name for himself, it's just incredibly composition photographs. This is the Pacific coil tucked docks in 1930. It shows about 15 or so tucks, and you can tell it's close to Christmas from the Christmas trees that are tied to the top of their maps. We still do that UBC grades today. It's a traditional method for marketing.

Unknown Speaker 43:19
This is also taken by letter Frank 1900. While he was still in Port Alberni Stark and formal portrait of a harpoon gun and above the steamship or Ryan. The gun which propelled an explosive tip cartoons was the first of its kind in BC coast as part of the new technology employed for having Wales for medical devices and lastly

Unknown Speaker 43:51
Ganges harbour and if anybody has seen the book will know this is one of the mistakes I was referring to as I dated. This is the motor Princess service Ganges and she was built in 1923. By the CPR, it was the first car carrying ferry that was was built by euros carried about 45 cars and about 250 passengers and number of cars I think go down as the as they increased in their size. The original shot that I was going to use before I came across this one was on the interior in the motor princess with Model T's and it was dated 1925 and I use that unfortunately forgot to change the date. Change the photograph at the same time. This is closer to 1950 I believe. Anybody can help me pinpoint the date down exactly. We'll try to get it right for the next edition. See the Hastings cubs in the background. They're already won VA T 41 What are they new but how new are they but anybody can get back to me Charles

Unknown Speaker 45:26
but it's interesting when you look at images like this who you'd like if you take your first glance and that's really pretty and then you start looking at different details here and you get a magnifying glass and you start looking even closer to right you start wondering well who was this board actually finding that

Unknown Speaker 45:46
they started to just blend in and the original picture for recognized people it's pretty clear is that a six out of seven? I believe it is. Background that wouldn't have been

Unknown Speaker 46:12
well, that's that's the end of my show. That was before it was the Pender Queen That's correct. Now. Patrick cutter away too. I think she cut her open and made her an open deck. Very cool.