14_ElizabethSampson.mp3

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18.01.2023

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Molly Akerman

Elizabeth Sampson 0:00
And the lady says oh you’re a newcomer, and I said “Newcomer? I’m an old timer now”. So of course as soon as I said that it's well why don't you write a book. Well I can’t write no book. And I was told by another gentleman that I know quite well. He said you can write a book. [Indiscernible]. You know they have that, what do they call that, a diary. I never did have one you see, I didn't bother about a diar, I didn't even bother about anything like that.. What made me really [indiscernible] it is my two daughters. Every once in a while when they were younger that said, Mom, what did you do when you were in England, and of course I had to start from that.

AH 1:15
Right. Well, we start with that. Your name is Mrs. Elizabeth Sampson. And you're 79 years old. What was your maiden name before you became Mrs. Sampson?

ES 1:27
Hutchinson. Miss Elizabeth Hutchinson. Hutchinson.

AH 1:41
And you were born in Sheffield? England? Do you remember anything about your early childhood in England?

ES 1:49
Oh, yes. But, I don't want to talk about that.

AH 1:54
You're' telling me you're putting a little bit of that in your book about when you were five years old?

ES 2:00
Well I will tell you the reason why I'm writing this book, I got those boys and the two girls. When they want to know what did I do and this that and the other. While it's too long to tell you, I'll write a book. And I'll give each of you a book. Then someone says well, you write the book even sell it. No, I don't want to sell it or do anything. The books i've read about peoples time, I wouldn't want to compete with them. So I didn't worry about it. And I'm just writing it for the boys and girls. I said, well if you think it no good then burn it, but they wouldn't do that.

AH 2:53
How many children do you have?

ES 2:56
13. 11 boys and 2 girls.

AH 3:07
And lots of grandchildren. ES 3:08 Plenty of them.

AH 3:11
When did you come to Salt Spring ES 3:15 1910.

AH 3:16
1910, and how old were you then?

ES 3:18
12 years old.

AH 3:20
How did you come to Canada from Sheffield?

ES 3:24
On the boat, one of the boats. Then we caught a train from Montreal, I think it was. Then we came across in another little boat to Victoria. And then from there, here on a boat.

AH 3:48
Do you remember where the boat landed when you came from Victoria to Saltspring?And why did you come to Salt Spring?

ES 3:57
Ganges. Because my sister was here.

AH 4:01
What was your sister's married name?

ES 4:05
While she was married three times. But she's not here now, she's in her home in Vancouver. She’s 97

AH 4:22
Did she meet you when you were 12? And you landed at Saltspring? Did she meet you at Ganges.

ES 4:26
No, no. She was in Victoria working..

AH 4:33
Who met you when you arrived on the island?

ES 4:36
When we arrived in Victoria my sister met us there. And we stayed a couple of days or so. We had to stay a couple of days because she was working and she had to tell the ladies she was going back to Salt Spring.

AH 4:52
What kind of work was she doing then? ES 4:55 Housework.

AH 4:57
And so you came with your sister to Ganges on the boat, and where was she living at that time the island? Where did you go to live?

ES 5:07
We lived up there by Maxwells peak in a log house, that they had built for me. Oh, it was quite a good size house. We shared the house upstairs. Partly the veranda, a veranda roof. It was a sloping roof. They were going to make it into a kitchen. You see. But, they didn't because my husband got shot, accidentally shot himself. So he didn't get it done.

AH 5:54
Did he die before you came out? Yes. So you came out? You and who else came out with you? You and your mother came out to help your sister.

ES 6:08
To look after the little ones while she went to work.

AH 6:12
I think you told me that you used to garden and take care of the house.

ES 6:16
Oh goodness sakes. Yes. We got a little little pig. And I had to go and chop the trees down. Make a fence for it. Put it in there. Soon as it rooted that up, for us to grow vegetables. Well I had to make a bigger one. When it was too big for us to handle, we killed it and ate it.

AH 6:43
Did you go to school?

ES 6:47
Well, when I first got it over here, you see there was no schools at all.

AH 6:54
Not in that area where you were living?

ES 6:57
There was one further down in the great big field with the little church.

AH 7:04
And you used to go to church. And this church was up Mount Maxwell?

ES 7:11
Not quite that far. Oh, yes. In the Cranberry district.

AH 7:16
Were there a lot, did a lot of people go to church on Sunday?

ES 7:20
Not so for many, because it wasn't a very big church.

AH 7:27
Do you remember who the ministers were or anything about the church?

ES 7:33
I don't know who built the church and the ministers I forget about.

AH 7:45
Do you know what happened to that church? Is it still remaining there?

ES 7:47
As far as I know it is. Because I asked the lady that lives up there now. I asked her what's up in the cranberries? They have to have a bus now going up for the schoolchildren. And I said to her “a bus going up there after school children?” I said for goodness sakes! How many kids are up there. She said 35. Oh, my gosh. There were 13 going to school when I was going. I said I might go and see my sister's house if it's still there yet, but I'm not sure. Besides it’s all grown grown up now. There used to be a road into my sisters house. Not sure if they still have it open or not, someone closed it. Well, they've sold it anyway.

AH 8:51
Think you told me that when you first came to the island that you would help your sister cross cut huge trees, 6 feet wide. ES 9:01 Oh yes.

AH 9:02
You and used to go through the woods and it was very dense.

ES 9:06
I climbed a tree to see where our road went to. My nephew was there and he said Aunty I think we’re lost and I said I don't know for sure but I’ll climb this tree. [indiscernible]

AH 9:33
Were you worried about the wild animals or anything?

ES 9:40
There weren't any wild animals around, there were tamed cows. My mother was afraid of them but I wasn’t.

AH 9:46
What about that area you lived in, it was called cranberries. It was called the cranberry district. Did you see a lot of cranberries at those times?

ES 9:56
Oh there might have been a few but I didn't bother with the Cranberries, I was too busy doing something else. Cutting down these four foot trees and having to cut four or five blocks of wood every day winter. When we had the winter, we cut it all up, spruced it all up and pile it up out there for the winter because we couldn't ever get out till the end of...it would start beginning of, sometimes beginning of October.

AH 10:35
The snow? And you'd be snowed in up there?

ES 10:38
Oh yeah. Four feet, four and a half feet. We didnt have no cows or horses or a car or anything. We just got snowed in.

AH 10:55
Did you stay in the house then? Could you go to see neighbors or get out at all?

ES 10:59
Oh well if we went to see neighbors we would have to show all the way down, about two miles. We just stayed around in the house and shoveled the snow off the roof.

AH 11:15
What did you do when you stayed in the house all that time? There wasn't any TV.

ES 11:19
No, there wasn't any TV but we had games. We used to write to... we’d get the paper from back east. [indiscernible]. Well it comes every week then on Saturday, well in the wintertime couldn't get it. The neighbors used to go down and get in then we would have to walk about two miles to go get it. We had games and other books.

AH 11:56
What kind of games did you play?

ES 11:58
Checkers. All kinds of games that the kids do.

AH 12:03
Your closest neighbors were two miles away, did you play with other children or mostly with your sister's kids?

ES 12:11
There was myself, my mother, my sister and my niece and nephew. We didn't mind, we wasn't going to school. There was no school there for a while.

AH 12:25
When did you start going to school? What was that like?

ES 12:34
Well, we went to the little church for a while. [Indiscernible] there weren't so very many of us, there was about three or four grownups like you and me. I used to take my dinner in about a three pound lard tin, and put my lunch in it. [Indiscernible] and these two other girls got my pail and filled it full of cold water.
[Indiscernible], they got that pail and they slammed it against a tree, that didn't satisfy me. I stamped on it, there was no pail at all. I went home and I said to my sister “heres your lard pail”. She said “What’d you do to it!”, I said “I didn't do anything”, and I told her what happened. [Indiscernible], I dont knwo what she said but we laughed. She said next time some [Indiscernible] and blow it up [Indiscernible].

ES 14:26
Oh my gosh. Oh and I when I got home, she got mad and she thought I did it. I said I haven't done it and I told her who done it, and Gee she was so mad. I couldn't help but laugh at that. I said look, I didnt do it, thats my pail. You go and ask those two girls that were there. They got my pail and poured water on me, not me! She thought it was me because it was my pail.

AH 15:03
What did you eat? Did you buy much much food from Mouats store?

ES 15:08
Oh yeah. Well, as I was saying, in October, beginning of October, we had all our groceries in to last us until March. Because you couldn't get out of there, it was deep snow.

AH 15:26
What kind of things would you stock up with? What would you buy?

ES 15:31
Mostly we would but flour, rolled oats and rice, you know and sugar and stuff like that. We knew how much we would use. We would enough that would last us till the end of March. Especially when the snow was on the ground. My husband and his nephew used to come up before I was married. My husband and his nephew came up with their horses and sleighs and hauled our food up from Mouats with the sleigh and horses.

AH 16:17
Did they work at Mouats or did they just do that as a favor?

ES 16:21
No they did, they were the only two that....well I shouldnt say the only two but they asked them if they would do it, take all the food up.

AH 16:34
How did you how did you meet your husband?

ES 16:37
That's how I met him.

AH 16:39
Well, that sounds like a good story. Before we go to that. What was the island like when you first came on it? What did you see when you first arrived?

ES 16:50
Well, when we first arrived in Ganges all I saw was Mouats hotel and store. and the store underneath and then they had some a rooming house for if you wanted stay for the day, a couple of days. Or anyone that's got visitors, you put them there.

AH 17:28
So when you landed did you just land and then start making your way up to the Cranberry?

ES 17:33
Well, we landed there. And these neighbors next door neighbors came down with a horse's wagon for groceries, my sister got them to bring it up to where she was because we were to further up them from where they lived.

AH 17:54
A long walk if that hadn't happened.

ES 17:57
I might have walked it but mother couldn't have.

AH 18:02
I think you told me that once you started to live up in the cranberry. You just came down once a week or so?

ES 18:08
Yeah, Saturday’s. Used to come down saturdays. Walk down with my nephew.

AH 18:14
How many miles was that?

ES 18:17
Six, six a month.

AH 18:21
Didn't have a horse and buggy.

ES 18:22
No, just these legs.

AH 18:27
And you told me that your sister used to work in town. Could you tell me a little bit about that?

ES 18:32
She used to work [Indiscernible] and then she went to town after we came because we stayed home and looked after the two little ones.

AH 18:42
When she worked in town. How did she get to work?

ES 18:46
I guess on the street cars. I don't know.

AH 18:48
I meant, excuse me, I meant on the island. She used to walk to work?

ES 18:52
Oh yes. Yes. When she was on the island. She walked

AH 18:54
She walked six miles down to work, six miles back. And how much did you tell me she got paid a day? Only half a day. And you used to get an allowance for cleaning house?

ES 19:06
25 cents a month.

AH 19:10
What could you buy with that?

ES 19:12
Oh, they were plenty to buy with that. We got all candies or cookies we wanted. Those days there was really plenty of it. At Christmas time just get a little something for Christmas.

AH 19:33
What did you do for Christmas? How did you celebrate Christmas?

ES 19:38
Same as we're doing now, at home. [Indiscernible] One year there it snowed and we have a tin roof, and it slid right down into what was supposed to be the kitchen. We put the wood underneath it, and we made steps on it. In the meantime at nighttime it did freeze. We went way up the steps up the steps and then right up onto the main roof with the chimney. Took the top of the chimney off and get a big long stick as long as we could with the small limbs and shove that down the chimney so there was black and white snow up on the roof.

AH 20:59
You told me some other stories about playing with your niece or nephew?

ES 21:04
We couldn't have our swings or anything outside, so we went upstairs and put our swings in the raptors.

AH 21:18
That would be in the winter when it got too cold, you would have a swing inside, that a good idea.

ES 21:23
Oh [Indiscernible] upstairs, played upstairs.

AH 21:29
What kind of lighting did you have in your house? [Indiscernible] And heat? ES 21:36 Wood.

AH 21:37
Wood stove. And you used to have that job. Chopping wood.

ES 21:39
Yeah, that's why I was the only man you see and I had to do the sewing and the splitting and wheeling the wood into the shed. I just loved it. And then on Fridays, I cleaned the house up. Mother did the cooking and I cleaned the house up.

AH 22:06
What kind of clothes close did you wear?

ES 22:14
No, [Indiscernible] like a skirt. You know if you're going to a party, you know, but I mean when you’re going to school clothes. You see school clothes. You know when I was married and never worre slacks or overalls at all because my husband didn't like me in overalls. Used to have games, lots of games. We would sing, and have Christmas dinner. Then in the summertime we used to be off up in the woods picking berries. All over nice Blackberries, strawberries around. [Indiscernible] I climbed the trees, I was always climbing the trees.

AH 23:25
What were the names of your neighbors? Do you remember any of their names? ES 23:28 Rogers.

AH 23:32
Did you have your school chums who used to play with you remember their names?

ES 23:36
Oh, there was Ellen and Dora.

AH 23:40
Do remember their last names at all? You don't. Maybe they'll just come to you. Maybe someday they'll hear the tape and hear your voice on it.

ES 23:52
Yeah, they’ll say she's telling talkies on us, they’ll say don’t trust her she tells tales. [Indiscernible]. Kids just like to hear it. [Indiscernible]. Kitties. Kitties. Kitties. Kitties. I think I've got more. I don't know where we put them all, if we have them all home. We've had about three reunions though my family. Now I got to think there's another one coming up, is there another reunion coming up. And a few more next year ones. I wouldn't live [Indiscernible].

AH 24:51
What about parties, were there very many parties on the island?

ES 24:54
Oh yes. Every Saturday night after the, even after the [Indiscernible] was over. When they finished [Indiscernible] and in the winter time if there wasn't too much snow. Every house would have a aprt, dancing and that. We would join in and take some food, sometimes we wouldn't, it didn't make any difference anyway. Long as we went down there. That’s where I first learned to dance, was one of those people's places. So now I dance down here, and they said you dance pretty good. They asked when did you start dancing. I said not until I got out to Canada

AH 25:55
What kind of dancing did you do? ES 25:58 Waltz, two step.

AH 26:01
I guess you got all dressed up for those parties?

ES 26:03
Oh shoot yes. We saved our best dresses for the parties.

AH 26:11
How did you get to the parties?

ES 26:15
Well we walked them.

AH 26:17
how far would you have to walk to a party? ES 26:19 Two miles

AH 26:21
Was the main mode of transportation horse and buggy? Did you see any cars at all in 1910?

ES 26:31
Well the only car we did see was Mr. Bullocks car. That was if we were in Ganges, there weren’t many cars at all in those days, 1910. It was mostly buggies and a team of horses, wagons. We had these fairs down in Ganges, fall fairs. You put your animals...there was a friend of ours and we borrowed the horse and buggy. So I had another extra work to do, I had to brush the horse and clean it up and everything else and get the buggy ready. I was so disappointed because I thought well I'll do that and hitch him up, and we all got in the buggy and who should start to drive the horse, it was my sister and I wanted to drive it. I said I cleaned the horse and put him on the buggy, I wanted to learn to drive, I said all right then go to it. Oh dear, it was so nice. I've got a picture of that a horse, I was watering him too. And then we went down to Mahon Hall, put the fruit in for prizes. I was a real old country fair. This one this last time reminded me of it too. I was wondering what to put in, what I was going to put in. I know this year what I’m going to put in.

ES 28:46
That's the secret.

AH 28:54
I guess there wouldn't really be that many people on the island in 1910 would there? Mostly be farmers.

ES 28:59
Mostly be farmers yes. You know and the Kit families. And then we'd have picnics and go swim in the lake, Demeans lake we call it. Thats the one up in the Cranberry where we get our water from now, where the Ganges get their water from now. But there's nobody in there swimming, like they do in St. marys lake.

AH 29:40
How did you tell that time? What time it was?

ES 29:43
I had a clock in the kitchen.

AH 29:47
Yout just had to keep winding it by hand.. Did you have a radio or anything like that?

ES 29:51
Oh, we had no radios. We had nothing like that.

AH 29:56
Did you have a telephone?

ES 29:57
No. There may be telephones up here now as far as I know of, but we had [Indiscernible] and they didn't have no telephones, we didn't worry about telephones. They just cost too much and we weren't making that much, my sister wouldn't have wanted a telephone. And anyway she knew when she had to go to work. My mother looked after us and I did most of the work

AH 30:27
So you met your husband he was the one that used to bring the groceries up from Mouats for you.

ES 30:33
When we was there we used to have some milk given to us, we've saved the cream to make a little bit of butter, put it down in it and down in the wells in a little tin so it wouldnt melt.

AH 30:55
Oh that's how you kept your butter cold by putting it down in the well?

ES 30:59
Same way of where I am now. And I used to make butter. I used to sell it and my husband said I can make butter and sell eggs and sell milk and sell cream.

ES 31:24
They made their own jams but [Indiscernible] and I made $10 anyway, and I sent to Sears for a summer hat and a winter hat. And I remember my husband when we were going out to a party, I said oh wait a minute I forgot my hat and he says what hat, where did you get that from? I said I bough it, you said I could have the money for the butter and milk and eggs and whatever I sell. I saved it and I got two hats for $10. [Indiscernible]

ES 32:16
He said I didn't know you had that much, I said well you told me I could. I milk the cows anyways.

AH 32:25
When? When did you get married? How old were you when you were married?

ES 32:32
One month off 18.

AH 32:36
Where were you married?

ES 32:38
St. Mark's Church.

AH 32:39
Oh, that must have been lovely.

ES 32:41
Oh, it was a lovely church. I was married. And I all my family was christened there.

AH 32:52
Do you remember anything about the wedding? What did you do?

ES 32:57
It was snow on the ground then. We had a sleigh, horses, and sleigh bells on the horses. Jingle jingle all the way.

ES 33:17
The house, the dining room is 12 by 24. And we had a long table across this way, we had it filled three times. And we danced until about seven or eight o'clock next morning. Then the farmers went home.

AH 33:42
Sounds like quite a celebration.

ES 33:44
Then it was every saturday too. We used to have [Indiscernible]. There was a time I went to visit some people you know. And we were playing card games. And I said well its getting late I better go home, and the lady of the house says well I’ll make a cup of tea first and so all right I’ll have a cup of tea and she opened the door to throw the teas out and there was about two or three feet of snow on the ground. And she said oh are you not going home tonight and I said why not? She said look out here and we looked and we were snowed in.

AH 34:37
Can you tell us a little bit about your husband's family? The Sampsons. How long had they been on the island for a long time?

ES 34:45
Well my husbands father was the first policeman on the island. Hewas one of the first white men on the Island, and then they made him policeman because he could talk 10 something Indian languages. So they made him a policeman.

AH 35:11
And did he live in the Fernwood area?

ES 35:14
Oh, yes. That's where it was. That's where he was when the Hudson Bay [Indiscernible] and wanted land, and he liked that part of the...

AH 35:26
Do you know why he came to the island?

ES 35:30
Not least idea.

AH 35:32
Can you tell us any stories about him? What was his first name?

ES 35:35
Henry. I remember when I was tying up the horse there...

ES 35:39
Henry Sampson.

ES 35:43
And when my oldest boy was born, he said what are you going to call him? He says, give him two names. When he came out on boat with the Hudson Bay Company, while living there was a Henry Sampson and Henry Simpson, some other name like that. They always used to get mixed up.. And he says you give your boy two names. My youngest brother got burnt before we came out, so he didn't come with us, but his name was Harold. So we call him Harold Henry, after his granddad now to my brother.

Ah 36:26
Did Henry Sampson have anything to do with the Hudson Bay Company? Did you work with them?

ES 36:33
Oh, yes. He was in with them.

AH 36:37
Was there a trading post there?

ES 36:41
Yes.Yeah, but I never saw it. I didn't know what he owned. I don't think he owned it because he used to go to with the Hudson Bay, chasing the Indians. Used to have a you know, the center hallway, that's where he used to keep the prisoners. Well it was the hall, that's where it was. But there was two little places where they had the prisoners.

AH 37:23
So he was the first constable. Was that a full time job? And before that he was with the Hudson's Bay Company.

ES 37:33
He came out with the Hudson Bay company, did the, what they call that , Saltspring Saga? Yeah, it's a book. There's names in there telling you about it. And I didn't even know when I was there. When I married my husband, I didn't even know that granddad Sampson could swim. But he did. Swam across from get Saltspring to Wallace island and got the prisoner and brought him back

AH 38:14
Was there a lot of work for him to do?

ES 38:17
Oh, gosh, I guess there was. Keeping tabs of Indians and the white people in that too.

AH 38:27
He married an Indian woman. And what was her name?

ES 38:32
Lucy. Lucy Peatson.

AH 38:33
And she was a princess?

ES 38:35
I think she was a chiefs daughter. Anyway, that's what they say.

AH 38:38
You have beautiful portrait of both of them.

ES 38:41
Yes.

ES 38:46
Do you know any stories about Lucy, I guess she died before you met her? But do you know any stories?

ES 38:51
The only thing I know has been what the women when they were having children used to get her as a, midwife. And they told me a lot about her you see.

AH 39:04
What did they say?

ES 39:06
Said she was a wonderful person.

AH 39:09
Where were your children born?

ES 39:11
On the island.

AH 39:14
And they they were born at the old hospital. That's now the community center.

ES 39:17
Yes, they were. All but two. One was born in Vancouver and the other was born at home. All the rest was in the original hospital.

AH 39:31
Mr. Sampson you raised your family in Fernwood? Is that right?

ES 39:34
Oh, yes. Where they were, where you was today, in that house.

AH 39:38
And that house? Is that on? Your husband's father's property? Did he have quite a bit of land out there?

ES 39:47
Oh yes. Going right across the road out to the lake. Out to St. Marys lake.

AH 39:56
From Fernwood to St. Mary's Lake he owned that. What happened with that land? Did he farm it at all?

ES 40:02
Oh, yes. He had oxen, and my husband when he was 12 years old, he was driving the oxen. Sometimes they get [Indiscernible] somewhat scary, you know, and they’d run, and they go each side of the tree and break the yoke and everything else. And then [Indiscernible]. So they let him go and they go around eating and everything else until we fixed it up again, fixed the yokes up again. We did have yoke and we were gonna keep it, but it disappeared when someone came around looking. You know, they do come around looking.

AH 40:49
Is there anything left of the original Sampson homestead? Where your husband grew up there.

ES 40:57
Oh, no, they pulled it all down. We pulled it all down.

AH 41:01
Was it a log cabin?

ES 41:02
It was a log cabin.

AH 41:04
Were there many children in your husband's family? ES 41:08 13?

AH 41:10
She had 11 girls and two boys. And you had 11 boys and two girls?

ES 41:14
Yes. I married the oldest boy

AH 41:17
What kind of work did he do? How did he make a living. And so you farmed when you raised your children.

ES 41:24
Oh he was on that farm all the time. That farm right now is over 100 years old, the Sampson. We’re the the only Sampson's name on the island since he came he got married.

AH 41:41
And did you plant fruit trees as well?

ES 41:44
Oh yes, we have fruit trees. They're all rotting.

AH 41:50
There was a wharf at Fort Fernwood. Do you remember any of the boats that came in?

ES 41:54
Well a [Indiscernible] came in and then there was a some cool, some other boats come in, you know, and all the fisherman's and a lot of the fishermen used to come in but they never stayed very long because they couldn't keep the boat there not when it was rough, it just smashes them to pieces. And so they didn't stay very long. But that wharf we got now is a new one. Before the old Wharf, you could drive a truck or a car right to the end and let your passengers off to get on the boat if they wanted to. If it was too rough, they wouldn't get off sometimes. They could get in, but it would take a long time. Because it was rough. Some of the farmers used to be down and catch the ropes you know. My husband's brothers would go down and catch the ropes you see, help pull the boat in.

ES 43:00
At the old wharf there was the big posts, my boys used to climb on the top of those posts and dive down. One day, I was down with them and I was standing on the float, I saw them and I said whos going first. The first one went, then another and all of a sudden there was that one disappeared and the eighth boy, he disappeared. I said to them up on the post, for goodness sake, see where he’s going, he might have cramps or something. That boy swam underwater, swam right underneath the float what I was standing on, right to the beach. And then he asked “Mom, what are you looking at, what's matter?” I turned around so quick it’s a wonder my back didnt snap in two. Oh boy did I give him heck when we got home. I said you crazy boy, what are you doing there. He said I was just swimming around. [Indiscernible] oh he got me worried.

ES 44:44
I guess you had quite a life with 13 children. Just keeping them all together and cooking for them.

ES 44:52
When the flu was going around, ir the measles or the whooping cough. I said I hope all you fellas get measles together, then I wont have to... But then, one of the times they had something wrong with them but they wouldn't take it all together. There would be one home from school, as soon as that one got better and started school, then another would get it. Oh yeah, and I didn't mind the only thing I did is to take the food up to them, just about gotten to the top and I hit the top step and down went his food so i went back and get some more of it. And I remember the doctor saying when he came to see them, he said to the two youngest “You're not gonna get that are you?” The youngest one says” no, I'm not going to get that” he says “I'm gonna be like Daddy”. He was going to be like daddy, he wouldn't be catching no measles. NExt day I phoned dup the doctor and said you gotta come out! He came out and said which one’s got it now. That fella there who said he was gonna be like his daddy. I thought you were gonna be just like your daddy and not get it.

AH 46:41
Do you have anything to say to all the people on the island and all your relatives and everyone who will be hearing this tape?

ES 46:47
Well, yes, I do. I hope they have a good laugh at it.