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Mouat Trading History

Ivan Mouat




Speaker 1 0:07
Family football right away. But it's the story of how volatile it started. And this is a story one day by Apple Gilbert was working with Mr. Curtis and, and for Mr. Privacy and Mr. Premier said Gilbert, why did you buy this business? And my uncle Gilbert said, Mr. Purpose, you know, I'm gonna need money. And Mr. Purvis said, What happened at $50 I gave you yesterday for your salary. And that is how my brother started. That's really not how it started. That's a family story. For instance, your grandmother got up for some money, dude. It was, I think, Mr. The purpose is not to sound dumb for government because Oh, good was a go getter. And he recognized him as a great businessman. Yeah, good business skills. I think that's why he was fat to sell his brother in market with the mouth, too, to. But then the story of how the trading company starts to see the story goes, that is my uncle Hilburn. Of course, there were quite a few black people in the island are also there mix different mixtures of white and black and Indian. And one great family was a very good customer, the large family, they had to keep paying their bills or they wouldn't get any more groceries and they were very good customers. And Uncle Gilbert was helping them out with a sack of flour, this box of groceries and so on. And Mr. COVID robot that he said Gilbert, and this man, Mr. Bullock, it was him. And he helped me Gilbert Gilbert, just a minute, just a minute, and then eventually when he loaded the cart and everything but his black bam, customer, though the cart went over. Yes, Mr. Ford, what can I do for you? Now Gilbert, you know, in England, when scores village comes in, the shopkeeper comes out and takes his order. Well, this is New England. I didn't think you were the squad and you'll just have to come in like everybody else is one story of how the stats other trading company was started. Because it was Mr. Bullock, the layers. JC Lang, quite a group of people as I say they were very some very wealthy enough to open English and Irish Shamokin beyond the crossing the streets.

Unknown Speaker 2:20
They're from Ireland.

Speaker 1 2:23
Man's were from our man Hall. We had considerable money. JC Lange was an Englishman, and he came here and he bought his boat was a boat from England. And he was when he started he got pretty good farm. But he developed he thought it was all he needed was a good source of water for the growing Ganges area for the Creamery and so on, and also power without any power. I'm just going to get into the power we never got the power really because he spent 20 I think 25 years of his life, getting the waters and he started Ganges water power company, which endured right through as servicing service Ganges, until my uncle Gavin Gavin bought it, bought it out and developed it into the Saltzman Water District and got a lot more and he was developing what it is today, or at least started quick development.

Speaker 2 3:21
Now, so back now helped me understand that so back to the Saltspring Island grading company, these names these gentlemen, that you just made for me, were the the the backers

Speaker 1 3:37
and they tended to be conservative English, and most of our family was Methodist and, and liberal.

Speaker 1 3:51
And all they got was there. All they had was their room. But for instance in the Bank of Montreal, rented two rooms from probably two days a week Saltspring land was in the basement area, there was a barber shop in the basement area. And gradually the was C speed authority house, probably just after the I would say in the 50s end of the 40s it's really ceased to be the boarding house then. And it was run by the boarding house for a while for instance catch eaten by a couple by the McGill's and then they waited the bakery. They started a bakery, and that but it became a rental. It was more for business rentals. And the odd room was rented out the permanent basis to someone brother No, no. Then friendship for was turned toward dollars. No, no food was served there for quite a few years. This family we so yes, yes. And it was torn down in 57. I think that Yeah, I don't think there will be some people

Speaker 1 5:20
Mr. Harris was an adequate manager. But you didn't have the he didn't have the personnel. He didn't have the he wants to know the financial interests

Speaker 1 5:34
so called Gilbert, you see, young fellow, who's still he's a few years younger than I am. He was 15 years old. And he was been working since almost there all his life and he logging in and cutting down trees and with the lumber business, and he knew it, he would watch things he knew people were inefficient. He knew how to do it. And he had a chance to buy some timber and make some money out of these 15 years old. And so he went to See, told you, he says, I'm 50 years old. He said, Well, what are you going to do? What did he tell you? It's what he told me. He said, can you tell your mother, your mother coming to see me?

Speaker 1 6:28
He knew her course. Is a good hardware Game Boy. You're pretty certainly. That's alright. That's all I wanna know. And he looked at the money that's the money and he went from horizontal Gilbreth handles evolved. You know, we brokered the logs, it was a very handy arrangement because you backed someone you broke with the loves, they bought the groceries from the store, we knew they were gonna get paid. It was great. But then also as a bank, we were doing we were underwriting

Unknown Speaker 7:04
Columbia College study the study study.

Unknown Speaker 7:59
Hold on hold on

Unknown Speaker 8:18
the first secretary,

Speaker 2 8:21
he was the first secretary. Hold on, hold on. miss the first secretary, okay. of the Gulf Islands.

Unknown Speaker 8:38
39 years of service of philosophy.

Speaker 2 8:41
things I realized is that your father was the oldest child. And Tom's mother was the youngest child, right? Is that correct?

Unknown Speaker 8:54
That's right. Yeah. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 8:55
So now that's

Speaker 1 8:56
remember the Batson law. Guardian. Uncle Tom was the oldest more child but within my father was the oldest man. So

Speaker 2 9:05
Manson child, right. And Jesse was the youngest of the Manson so and so here. Now you are the survivor of William and, and Tom is the youngest of the three boys of Jesse. So there's quite a spread really there between your brothers because

Speaker 1 9:26
four years, four years 71. To see my cousin Laurie, pretty well, the oldest one that he is he his mother was descended from the Eagles. And when he was born, he was the oldest grandchild of the Madsen family. That's his family man

Unknown Speaker 9:51
when you're when Laurie was born,

Speaker 1 9:53
my oldest uncle Gilbert. He had his children. But he was born he was the oldest grandson And when he was also the oldest great grandson because his mother was a grandchild.

Speaker 2 10:12
Yeah, but in present present day, though you are the oldest grandchild. Correct. And Tom is the youngest

Speaker 1 10:21
bill, my cousin bill is he was older than I am. He was Gubbels. You see, and all of the other columns. Uncle Tom's children, there's there for them.

Unknown Speaker 10:35
Okay, but but I'm, I'm talking about the man. So

Speaker 1 10:41
why not build a Mac overnight. See, Gilbert family was married much earlier. married in 1907. My father was married to my team.

Speaker 2 10:52
Hey, well, I was just going, I was just going by the book here. Power, the water and power company. And

Speaker 1 11:07
I'd have to look that up and see what I just read. I didn't have you had you had gas lamps, you pump them up, for instance, to man Hall, they were to the back of the front, they were to roll on either side, there's a roll, about a quarter way down and then halfway up the ceiling with the center and they lowered a lamp. And it was to prom. It had a great big bowl, sorta, it held the gas, you had to pump it up, as you're getting pressure on it. And then there are two arms came off, that was two models on each side. And you've got it going. You pull it up, pull right up into the side up, put an area way up and lift the hall, that part. And then there's one of the back of the hall. And then for if you had a stage show, you would have lanterns and you know, let's see you. You don't remember the super there was a gallon, let's say about 10 gallons of gas, I guess it was a square, a little bit higher. So 10 Tap, but it was about a little bit higher than one. So worldwide. And that held I think 10 gallons are quite common. Well, they'd cut it exactly in half and put a lap inside. So when it shine towards the state, and that was those were the footlights. I mean that's how you provide. And now at home, you'd have either cat snap, or what we call cool oil or kerosene lamp. And there was two kinds of kerosene. There's a little wick that you just turned up that and then there was another kind called Aladdin, Aladdin lamp and it had a Mapple on it. And you turn the wick up you have to be very careful that because it'd be what wasn't trimmed, it would burn and create a sort of a black thing on my back. Carbon on the mantel, but you know, that's what how you had you had your home and you didn't do you have if you're lucky. You had a gas washer. But we didn't we didn't have gas washer. We just had actually had someone who will Jimmy Jeff came with us to do our washing. You know, Jimmy chap, that's what he's called. I mean, you don't call people out now though. He was. He was a tap of the ears the income that came and he came every week. The all dressed up the booster suit, white shirt, dark tie, and then it takes you get his white apron put on go to work, go to work. And then he put down another given note he put down and get the money from my father, but it's so much work. You don't always find some oranges and on the way home. We live down Venice road we live in a hill. You always drop in with a few artists from my sister Josie. Josie grace. Jonathan. Give me anything

Speaker 1 14:00
Oh, yes, you see. And he always used to give that 25 cents a month for the toward the church. And he just called that number one boss back. Number one boss. Now Uncle Gilbert was a boss the president Look Dad was number one boss. Jimmy was concerned. He used to give that 25 cents for the church, our church, the Ganges United Church every month. And he dad would write him a ticket and he will also give now it was it was had to bet your feet also give Mr. Walker you working with the Waterloo home to spit property where Liz Armour has that problem. Yeah, but that was Teddy Walters. And he came over and he'd given us $1.25 For his church too. But sometimes, sometimes he would get a receipt sometimes. Naga dog would no doubt be number one Boston always sticky. Mr. Walter dog or not sometimes sticky sometimes Number One bas been always taking always taking and he used to collect these he collected these have these stack of these receipts was that was there quite a few characters around bolttech It wasn't another old job that was route he used to do things he had a little platform and he used to sack up quite clamshell, which farmers used to line the sack that up, bring it in and carry it up for itself to us. And then he did he got an old age pension. I think forget what it was not very good. Everybody used to have signed a check to the elbow pencil to sign the check. And I never forget he drew on his tongue and you see this eternity he sign the cheque. I did take quite a while to sign the cheque. But it was always tied to be just a capital letter.

Speaker 2 16:02
He probably didn't know how to do it. So were there any was there anything like generators?

Speaker 1 16:12
Oh, yes, we had a store we asked. We had two great we had to harbor house got one in 1930. I think they had a generator, but ours was going before that be in the building. Oh, it's about where know about where the salty shop is maybe not quite that far along. Because they're just the edge of the seat all that was wired. And it was right at the edge. Right at the edge of that there's ways and then there was this building, which had two great huge diesel motors. And they ran they and one would run than they do cut in the other one generated. Gilbert had his own generator at home for his use, but he had storage batteries too. And he'd charge up the batteries then the use of batteries. There are other ones around the place. But you see it's a story of the art. Something went wrong because we'd have to resort to lights, sorry, sunlight light, but we didn't have them until the power came in 35. And then you had you said that 3760s He went around got got two signatures that enabled up and utilities got signatures and convinced them to come and he got enough signatures to drive to this and the first. Okay, the first one is still going the first power on the ground in your car to your point, the north end. And then later on, it came to the end of Baker Road, part of the Rainbow Road. But that was much later. But the first one came into

Speaker 2 17:46
play. And so he talked to the Nanaimo power,

Unknown Speaker 17:50
utilities company to get in. And then he can

Speaker 2 17:56
be did he went versus was just just totally convincing or did he? Did he finance and

Speaker 1 18:03
oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, he didn't. But he didn't have any money. He was poor. He just worked in a farm. He was working the store then. Although he had a farm delivered milk he didn't. He wants he came back. He he had things tough. Oh, God didn't work and it hurt the store again.

Speaker 2 18:19
Well, you you said that first. He joined the company as Vice President. Thank you, Mr. Forbes. And then when he came back, he got into

Unknown Speaker 18:27
real estate until just the outbreak of the war

Speaker 2 18:33
in the 40s. Okay, he waited Wait a minute. So you said here that carne de Saltspring Island land development company and it was one of the members he didn't follow him. But right now you were talking about Gavin.

Speaker 1 18:49
Gavin was the younger brother, uncle Gilbert. Gilbert, formerly Mr. Harris was in the insurance business was during this as in the insurance business and we were the insurance business. So this was stupid. But let's get it all together and administering this became the the office manager and the only paid person. But uncle Gavin didn't form and he was part of it. Because he was very interested. But he didn't. He took that over later on in history because he worked into the insurance business and real estate. I think he started that just about the beginning of the

Speaker 2 19:21
war. So So in other words, now let me make sure Gavin then joined the Saltspring Island land development company in 1928

Speaker 1 19:31
was formed. He was one of the shareholders Yes. Okay.

Speaker 2 19:37
Yeah, Mr. Harris, Mr. Inglis and your uncle Gilbert.

Speaker 1 19:40
My father and uncle Yeah. We haven't been formed off of that.

Speaker 2 19:48
And this was a land development and insurance seems great. So

Speaker 1 19:54
what land development it wasn't she real estate insurance but mostly insurance.

Speaker 2 19:58
Yeah, seems to me we try with you since we've been here, organization all right then

Unknown Speaker 20:06
and then later on now

Speaker 2 20:08
Gavin bought that out though in 3647 Okay, he brought power to the island in 3637. So now let's see. Okay, so he was with a company for about 10 years before he convinced people that salt spray needed a power

Speaker 1 20:27
yes well he was always seemed saw the potential yeah he's and you see also he thought he was responsible for building the new hospital on the side of his mouth

Unknown Speaker 20:39
responsible for building

Speaker 1 20:41
responsible for the building what is now a golf on the secondary schools and was housed all the kindergarten grade 12 on the island except that bloodshed that is it all my favorite he was a mover and shaker sounds like a far more than my father ever was more than uncle Gilbert could do it but he gathered to shake.

Speaker 2 21:14
What about the you know, your family has made so many contributions to the island. Was Was that a fair coverage or or at the end? That last paragraph 1985 You had your anniversary?

Speaker 1 21:36
Yeah, well actually 35 grandchildren they're born that tended to have the app that night. That night, we had 197 sit down to dinner and then the Sunday picnic we have

Speaker 2 21:52
220 597 at dinner

Speaker 1 21:55
Dinner following at 225 the picnic The reason to 25 Because a lot of the young kids couldn't get off Saturday off, but they didn't come over Sunday.

Unknown Speaker 22:07
How about the contributions?

Speaker 1 22:09
years of service? I mean, my father's I said Uncle Gavin things he did water district as a school, the hospital and everything like that. I mean, I think we've probably given all my father 45 years or 49 years awful. Gavin has certainly given 20 My cousin Tony was given 10 or 12 I gave six I was on the farm twice the

Unknown Speaker 22:35
two years we're talking about the hospital.

Speaker 1 22:39
And my my cousin's daughter was on for one term. So you know this was even after the present day, we're still we're still doing a lot doing our job for community. Now take the hospital or the school board. Dad was the first member of the school board kit so he can Jesus alas schooling and going through schools all over the place. But the gadget school was the last school to get going and like the 70 1980 that was on the first of the school board to stay there until 1935.

Unknown Speaker 23:09
Okay, now, wait a minute. First, who was on the first school board?

Speaker 1 23:14
First Ganges Public School Board? Yes, yeah, again for Ganges because they don't forget the three member school boards all over the place. More than

Unknown Speaker 23:27
three boards, Ganges was well, I'll just concentrate.

Speaker 1 23:34
He was on the Ganges public school board. So he served there for 18 years. My cousin Collins served 10 years on the school board I served two terms of the school board. So when I guess when my daughter is trying to get on the next time around, and the audit district in Northern Light has known and served on habits and the such things as Tom and his family really is historic committee. Yeah, actually, I was the Wi Fi on it. I was on certain areas in the hospital. Also he trusts the old lady in the hospital. What's that organization up there their communities asylum use fine it still sort of defeated Dixon Tom was you know there was a

Unknown Speaker 24:46
church. Yes church. My wife has since we got back, I'm sure she has yes. No You know, we've always done?

Speaker 2 25:01
Well, I think the point is, you know, if anybody ever reaches they should know how much how much service the family has given.

Speaker 1 25:14
I remember going out and driving out there I'd taken on every Wednesday because Wednesday there's a certain period in the 30s. That the only in the summertime, but in that period, he would have half day and a half. They would work on Wednesday, but eventually they run I think after the war, just before the war. We have Wednesday storage homes that were open till eight o'clock at night on Saturday night. So Wednesday afternoon, then they'd rather quit sixth place always drive off on Wednesday. That was nice. We developed a sort of therapy for the forum. He had passed around and he didn't need any help but I was always behind his chair. I know that the drive open shots on the corner, certainly. There's a sharp display.

Speaker 2 26:12
You know, I know she would be totally receptive to any suggestions, give

Speaker 1 26:18
her a call. Yes, you should see all WD person store you know Patterson story forward. Corporate War, right to the fairy one is still there and it's run is now run by Bruce Patterson, son of Bob Patterson, New Senate Bill Patterson. Bill Patterson, the boat My father is a little bit younger my father, and he and Uncle Gilbert and old George Howard and a few other people used to work for Melvin Purvis Mr. Purvis, we'll see. But when Uncle Gilbert took it over to all the business, all the work themselves, Mr. Patterson didn't have a job. He left to somebody else. And I saw him call one time, I dragged my father or something down there. He's in the trucking. And he said, there's all Bill Patterson, come and tell him to have a word with me. So I went on over I said, Mr. Patterson, my father is in the car. They'd like to know if you'd like to come and chat. Oh, yes. I'll come see what he said in a great chat. And they'd go along. And the dad said, you know, he used to work from home comparison with your Google word. He used to work for the purpose person. So the next time I saw him, I said, Mr. Patterson, what was it like working for Nokia purpose in the early days, where he said, I didn't like it very much, because I had to stay up. You know, there's a great big cider barrel. There was 10 cents of glass and I had to stay up and get people cider on their glasses. Sometimes George Cordell steel took midnight, and I had to stay up and get the money from every time we got a glass of if you see is this Hartson? Yeah. And I said there's a barrel of cider. I said, I bet that when when a bet with that that's appeared when granny took about the store when the next day went the next days. The Methodist of Tito's to us pass myself off as a family genealogist. And I heard from this girl and Dylan's mom tab that she did in contact with us someone Judy was very interested in she was amazing. What's Wally one day and Shetland. Got more Wales and you want to do it, and they pay the Queen and the lair. Everybody else is definitely to move to America. So he came to Janesville Wisconsin area there. And we knew I knew he was there. I knew that's happened when I started looking at things. And two of his great great grandsons I've been in touch with or what? Yeah, two of them. But I couldn't get anything to fit in between them and him you see and all the family in between. And then suddenly, I got this call from his brother, one in Billings Montana had gotten Judy Arnold was related to these mullets and Bill in Janesville. It's wonderful. So she told Judy Arnold about me and gave her my phone number. And I started to gather up stuff to give to Judy Arnold, you know, the senator put her in the picture like that. And she stopped. And somebody told her, she should call me from the poor Illinois. Now, we had a great chat. And then I said, Look, I'm not a graphic type guy this Saturday. I know you want this stuff. So I said after that, she told me again when she got it, and I told her I was going up the Shetland things either, and gave her the address of animal what Chatham who is the world expert on anymore to come up and she could straight vote. Anyway, I told her going up and then she Judy, two or 306 A few weeks later I was out she was at QC could be or would it be already if I went to Chevron with your husband you see her so she did that she was going to be surely supposed to be up there Jesus. But I'd said I met her in the ship she's gonna fly in but it was fogged into just fine. So I never the ship going up there. But she was very, very charming young lady Well, 48 years old and very well off. Her husband gave her this first class. The back, we have a lot of we have a lot of fun and got it all straightened out, we're still in contact because she had a lot of stuff on tape on a computer other disk. And she said it to me. And I've given it to my son so we're updating this now. For instance, there was an update of that one done for 93. And of course since then there's been a lot for a lot of other people things have happened. So if you born died too?

Speaker 2 32:48
About the 10 acre freeze and so we're still on it. That deal is still on. And this was around 72 to 74.

Speaker 3 32:56
Yes. And when it finally came off, they could start planning again. In 1976, the BC government passed the bare land strata titles act. For the first time ever we could think in terms of costs per member remembers strata title lots, which is the condominium concept applied to bare land. And from then on, they heard this wonderful team of planners Bob hassle, hassle and Gremlin Yes, laid this out and laid out

Unknown Speaker 33:36
72 Lots 72 Lots. Well, I

Speaker 3 33:39
think the core areas lot 72 But there were and that's all this is not dense at all. No, it isn't clusters will never hopefully be any denser.

Unknown Speaker 33:50
They laid out the stratotype. In the seventh, they built the road. They decided to subdivide, lot, eight, lot eight, which was my own. By that time I had told her and my home

Speaker 3 34:08
in fee simple. And the rest of it was part of Maracaibo the first night T mods which are the waterfront lots on both side there, which they did so that and with that money, they were able to go ahead and build the road down at the end of the point and build the tennis courts. And so oh

Speaker 2 34:27
great. Great. And so now there are still 70 to

Speaker 3 34:32
know about four or five years ago, they created 14 more laps on the Trincomalee side, a lot nine and at that time they created 30 more

Speaker 2 34:44
shares 30 more so now there's a total of how many 150 shares 150 shares

Speaker 3 34:52
and I think some of them are held by the Association, which governs itself now. We elect our own officers and govern ourselves meetings.

Speaker 2 35:03
As far as, as people, joining mera Kibo and buying property. Is there? Is there any kind of selection or not really, it's

Speaker 3 35:15
just that if you buy a strata title that you must have a membership. Now there are many members who have memberships and don't have or wish to have strata title as they don't wish to build it. Let's come over in the boats are they does come at the names of yours now there's been quite a long waiting list for memberships. I see. And of course we have we're in the third generation now, aren't we? And people have children and there just aren't enough shares to go around. There is generation splitting shares. This is God, I don't know that that will be passed, it seems popular and have been for years and don't wish to pirate with that there are 150 shares doesn't mean that there are that many families.

Speaker 2 36:07
Yeah, the docks been enlarged over the years. What's your big spurt in any particular year that you can remember probably in

Speaker 3 36:17
the 1970s. That's when they were selling quite a few of the shares. The shares were not all sold. Oh, that we ever got out of America, sell the shares. And they got this turned around. I think I had 36 shares. A few of them. And then the last few I guess we didn't get a great deal. However, I am very thrilled with the way it has turned out. Oh, beautiful. Oh, I'm so pleased with all the people who keep it the same as much as possible as it is.

Speaker 2 36:54
Well, for us from our viewpoint looking across the way it's wonderful because it's so well planned and no houses are tucked in. And it's quiet and you feel that you're still with nature

Speaker 3 37:10
that goes through quite a few growing pains, the noise of houses being built and bulldozers a call that guy can just oh, what's got pointless? You know, the first summer that we spent here, which was 1968, which we now know is too tall and the house which was the motor house, there was absolutely nothing at all. On either side on either side. There was no fairy fairy. There were no houses. There was nothing. The Fairy didn't come in here until 1963 or 64. In 1960, Pete and Mark Mark who lives here, that property and we're just starting to build Marina but they remember the Marina it was yes. Yes. Oh, yes. They were just starting. And there was nothing showing that summer.

Unknown Speaker 38:01
You Your what's his name? Taylor. Jeff Taylor.

Unknown Speaker 38:05
I know Taylor's right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 38:07
Yeah, that's something like that. Yeah. I know that he owned that then. Well, the the ferret the BC ferry system from what I read really started in the 1960 they're celebrating their 35th

Speaker 3 38:22
fleet and WAC Bennett, Swartz Bay to slash SOS and up until that time it was the year whatever we went on town Victoria turn of the Empress right under the lions great bridge and into the CP dock in downtown Vancouver and that was a

Speaker 2 38:39
you you bought in 60,000 or you came here and 60

Speaker 3 38:45
We brought a lot 10 At the same time Charles and Mary bought lot nine. All right, and that we started the negotiations in 1965. But the clause we're breaking it up for the first time and I can show you the date we started our payments all of us in 1957. So you will say that we bought these two lots and 57 kept lot eight and built Bacardi time and in 1959 Their home was really in Seattle on Mercer Island and they only came up here summers they had some very good friends and our region's and people like that lived up here mola finlab So and also the mod who was captain of the side pick on the Fulford, man Yes. And also the Kellogg's and Mitchell's out it was great planning but these were summer homes for most of these people.

Unknown Speaker 39:38
And the names were qualities q v a

Speaker 3 39:41
l e, Bian, who was Norwegian BRH. And beyond and Florence quality he was had been a sea captain. He was a naturalized American citizen, and he and Florence had been married I guess for many years. They have two grown sons one an architect who designed the little bit Alina, and another son who I believe is the used car salesman, there's nothing. During the time that we were making payments, we only sent the payments to Bjorn in Florence Bali, Mercer Island. But they kept lat aid and the little island that the theory goes around. Oh, wow. And they even kept that for a while after they decided to sell a lot at 1959. They decided to put it on the market. That lot and the cottage and the 160 acres, and it was put in the hands of Saltspring lands and Gavin Woods daughter gladdie Pringle and Rob Brito lived in it with their two little boys for a while, but we bought it. And when we came up that summer of 1960, they went out camping or somewhere for the summer is live in the US with all their furniture. These are stories that you during writing your review. And then when we left in September, they came back and stay for another year and rented it from us. I say, and the next year, I think they were ready to move on. They have built a beautiful home. They've had two more sons and First Lady passed away a few years ago.

Unknown Speaker 41:18
When did you finally move up into the

Speaker 3 41:20
migration? Oh, weeks came summers from 1969. But not all summer. Some summers? I think we missed 64 and 66. We made our final migration to Saltspring. In 1967 67.

Speaker 2 41:34
Well, we were here. First time in 69.

Unknown Speaker 41:41
Oh, that's true. That's right. That's right. So you weren't here

Speaker 2 41:45
for all this? Or maybe it was 70? No, it was 70 because we went to the bar conventions. Yes. There's 70.

Unknown Speaker 41:52
And then you came back and 72 again. Yeah, yeah, that's and I remember being over there on the Morrisburg Louisans therapy.

Speaker 2 42:01
Oh, this is been beautiful. Development. And it's been preserved. I'm so happy to be here. Yes. Oh, I

Speaker 3 42:13
see so many wonderful people that I would never have met otherwise people come in.

Speaker 2 42:18
Here it is really to talk about beautiful large of your life. Oh, yes. very enriching. Oh, yes. Thank you. That's gonna be great.