251_Rush_Black_Island-History_2011.mp3

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13.04.2023

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Speaker 1 0:00
It goes off. No, no. We lost it in last couple of years. Not more than five minutes. Wow. No hospital. All your

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uh, yeah, of course. Yeah, that's right. So you're at the emergency, you know, in the heart they do. Yeah, that's that's next to set by.

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Like you're more than ready for us. Wow. Yeah. You know? Sure.

Unknown Speaker 0:36
So recording different languages.

Speaker 2 0:38
I could never get a job in radio when I was when I was in radio. Well, when we first started in radio, we had Magirus, which were portable tape. They're called portable tape recorders, but they were barely portable. They weighed about 60 pounds. They're a great sound, but now they're down to this is probably just as good sounding.

Speaker 1 0:56
Yeah, well, we try to figure out now which one is the best one so we've got them all running and then we'll compare later. Okay.

Speaker 3 1:06
Trying to think of who it was used to interview and basic black on Saturday mornings from London and Big Ben

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Georgeson. Ian could be that's

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a fellow with the South Korean Air.

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No, no, no, no

Speaker 2 1:24
saint. No. No, but it's spelled the same. It's we get funny mail from people. They spell it

Unknown Speaker 1:29
like, like Indian. Si ng un.

Speaker 2 1:33
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's an English affectation. But he was at his actually he was a he was a kind of a weird guy named Nigel Lewis who lived in London but Oh, but he made up the accent

Speaker 4 1:45
and yeah, and the English English people were always really

Speaker 2 1:49
offended because it was not that we didn't know accents, you know?

Speaker 5 1:55
So they get really upset. And then there was Harold Harold. Yeah, yeah, it was

Unknown Speaker 2:01
a good old guy. Yeah, he he died just about

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six years ago, seven years ago.

Speaker 6 2:09
Um, shall we? Shall we sit sit around Sure, I guess. But anybody like a cup of tea or coffee or?

Unknown Speaker 2:17
I'm happy with whatever anybody else wants to

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or not. Whatever.

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Gear we got here. Good idea. I make an up

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push on. This one he takes it.

Speaker 4 2:34
So are these how directional are these? Frank?

Unknown Speaker 2:39
The pretty light there. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 2:42
That's great. That's I hate doing this.

Speaker 7 2:44
I was forget I would say tell me what my hallway interview sounds long way away.

Speaker 3 2:55
Preference. Just hot wires fun. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, not much caffeine. And that's true.

Unknown Speaker 3:02
We've been a yellow point for two days. So I'm fairly caffeinated

Unknown Speaker 3:10
pots of coffee all

Speaker 3 3:11
over the place. We gave up our place this year. Did you hear it for the first time? But 20 years?

Speaker 4 3:16
What's kind of expensive? Well, I mean, it's you know, they try to keep the costs of costs down it still.

Unknown Speaker 3:21
It's a good deal, but it's

Unknown Speaker 3:24
used to go every June different. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 3:27
We go about once a month six in the offseason, not nothing. So we're gonna go for a couple of days tops.

Unknown Speaker 3:34
Yeah, that's all we might. Yeah. Well,

Unknown Speaker 3:37
it's pretty hard to make an excuse when you live in Salisbury. My

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name is the coingate of course on the way

Unknown Speaker 3:44
Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 3:49
Neither McCarran McCune? Oh, is that right? Province anymore.

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That was an accident. I used to

Speaker 8 3:58
miss it, but I haven't pursued it yet. Yeah, I wonder there's not in the province at all. No.

Unknown Speaker 4:08
So

Unknown Speaker 4:09
all right. So do you want to tell

Speaker 2 4:11
me a bit about the format Do you want do you want to? Is it something you're gonna edit later or

Speaker 5 4:15
leave it all up to you? Yeah. Okay. Because I didn't I didn't write

Speaker 4 4:19
a formal intro or anything like that. I just figured we get the raw stuff down and we can we can do it we

Unknown Speaker 4:25
get a chance to listen to any of the ones that were

Speaker 4 4:27
that were I did not know. I didn't know I didn't I I've been reading Charles Kahn's book, but I didn't. I didn't listen online. I'm sort of technophobic.

Unknown Speaker 4:37
Remarkable.

Unknown Speaker 4:39
Robert must listen to.

Unknown Speaker 4:42
What was the name of the woman who did all those in the 70s?

Unknown Speaker 4:48
Oh, yeah. Mary Williams. Oh, very. Did

Unknown Speaker 4:51
she do that? She'd be great. Yeah,

Speaker 6 4:52
I was she was. What she did in the beginning was she's saying I'm, I'm sitting in the home of Susan. Good. And I'm just about with Bob and and then she just saying start asking questions. Yeah, that's good. The date she gave the date. Today is 22nd second world still 10 days?

Speaker 4 5:20
Yeah. All right, well, let's just get away to start designing so we can we can do that. And is there anything you want me to particularly cover? Or do you want to just see what you get here?

Unknown Speaker 5:29
Oh, um, see what we get, okay.

Unknown Speaker 5:33
It's gonna be a challenge. The challenge

Unknown Speaker 5:40
depends what you want to accomplish.

Speaker 4 5:42
All right. So Susan, are you going to spare you got to speak to you and ask questions. If you feel the urge. Well, I don't need to do you're fine. I don't mind I just said, No, I'll introduce you to if you know, you're gonna be wallflower. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 5:57
And ask questions from the side. Correct?

Speaker 8 6:01
Yeah, no, no. Okay. Yep. Or nope,

Unknown Speaker 6:04
nope. Okay, I'm sitting in the house of Susan. Good right now. And I'm sitting with Bob

Unknown Speaker 6:11
rush, who's one of the few people I

Speaker 4 6:13
know who was actually born on Saltspring. Bob, is that true? Yes. Yeah. I think I know about two other people that can make that claim when were you born?

Speaker 3 6:21
October 11 1930. And do that in in Ganges seven Gettys and Lady mental hospital?

Unknown Speaker 6:28
How did how did the rush family come to be here?

Speaker 3 6:32
My father was a doctor and he took over the practice of Dr. Sutherland in 1930. And bought the house and the practice so where did you come from to be here? I wasn't born in Russia

Speaker 3 6:53
from Alberta, my mother and father both graduated from University of Alberta in 1929. I guess it was and then father in the summer shoes to well, what Sir, twice anyway, worked up out of Bella Coola. Or Bella Bella, for Dr. Darby I think was the name of the doctor up there at that time. Anyway, his father also was a doctor and had semi retired in West Vancouver, I saw that there was a practice for sale on Saltspring Island, and I thought my father might be interested in it. And he came over and bought the practice. Love it

Speaker 4 7:36
for so. So 1930 I'm trying to imagine Salzburg in 1930. What would the population be roughly it was around

Speaker 3 7:41
1200. I was born. And then it's now what 10,000?

Speaker 4 7:49
Give or take? Yeah. So 1200 people and you obviously went to school here. Do you remember the early days in school?

Speaker 3 7:55
Yes. Were what? It was Ganges elementary up on Drake Road, which is now the Roman Catholic or the Catholic Church. Yeah. Okay. And it was converted from school. And where did you live? Just up? Ganges Hill. At corner of Metis road and Folker Ganges road. Oh, Charlesworth medicine. And what is now Charles were thrilled Johnson didn't exist.

Speaker 4 8:20
Really? Yeah. So everything was within walking distance, I guess.

Unknown Speaker 8:25
The hospital just down the road. And we walked to school.

Speaker 4 8:30
Did you have Did you have a rural upbringing? We did. Did you have like chickens? And

Speaker 3 8:34
oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Very, very real. And it was during the Depression too. And there wasn't much cash on the island.

Speaker 4 8:42
So tell us about a typical day when you were say, lateral 610. And you were there when you were?

Speaker 3 8:48
Oh. In the school days, I guess it was get up at 615 or thereabouts? Nope, that can't go milk the cow at 630. And then feed the chickens. And then come home. And

Unknown Speaker 9:05
this is a little Bobby Rush we're talking about.

Speaker 3 9:08
And practice the piano. Have breakfast. Go to school. And then I forget what else happened after that. I guess she had to milk the cow again. Come evening at 630 and eaten? Yeah, yeah. 630 morning. 630 in the evening.

Speaker 4 9:25
Yeah, that's a pretty full day and a lot more than most kids do nowadays. I would think

Speaker 3 9:29
well, they didn't have they don't have the same responsibilities nowadays.

Speaker 4 9:33
And you didn't have X boxes or anything like that to distract you. Whenever an X box.

Unknown Speaker 9:40
Now your dad was was one of only two doctors

Speaker 3 9:43
on the audit at the time, right? Yes. Yeah. The other one was Dr. Lawson.

Unknown Speaker 9:47
So that's a pretty big practice.

Speaker 3 9:49
No, no, no, I don't think so. Everybody else's population of 1200. Probably okay. Yeah. Yeah, probably

Speaker 4 9:56
doctors nowadays wouldn't we would love to have a practice that says for

Speaker 3 10:00
I don't know, what the population is that what the ratio now is for doctors to patients, but it's getting

Unknown Speaker 10:05
wider and more than that.

Unknown Speaker 10:08
Did you have any siblings?

Speaker 3 10:10
Yeah, yeah. had a younger brother Dorothy, who was born in 1932. And your brother Don born 1935, another youngest sister was born in 1937.

Speaker 4 10:23
So you were the oldest? Yeah. Yeah. With a lot of responsibility on your shoulders. And

Speaker 3 10:28
yeah, one of my parents theories was if you can bring up the first one, right, the other ones will fall. I don't know if there's any truth to that or not.

Unknown Speaker 10:37
Seems to work. Did you have you lived all your life on Saltspring? Or

Speaker 3 10:42
did you ever go? No, no, we moved away in 1943. When I was 13. That was during the war. My father had been asked to join the medical staff at Shaughnessy military hospital in Vancouver. So we moved to Vancouver in 1943.

Speaker 2 11:00
That was a wartime that was I mean, because of the war, he was just

Speaker 3 11:05
he couldn't sign up because he had a hearing problem in one year that he had from his childhood.

Unknown Speaker 11:13
Right. But you came back to Saltspring.

Speaker 3 11:16
Well, we never really left. Because in those days, odd as it may sound, or seem, it wasn't unusual for people to have a house in Ganges and a cabin somewhere else on the island. Really. Our neighbor began to get away from it all. Well, sort of our neighbor up in Ganges Hill was WAM mode. Its Father and our neighbor at our cabin was who also Wow, this was on what is now Collins road. The end of Granville road. Yeah. And so people have had summer cabins where I guess ourselves and who want water Norton, the wolf, Milner's Gilbert mort, and probably a couple of other ones. So it wasn't unusual. So we kept our cabin right through even though we sold our house in 1943 or 44. So you'll be back here for some months at a time we came back for weekends and holidays whenever we could. And then when the alarm Barbara ferry came into service in 1965, or there abouts it's a lot easier to get here in a weekend.

Speaker 4 12:31
Yeah, how would How was the traffic from the island and to the island handled before that?

Speaker 3 12:36
The Princess Mary CPR steamship. Plus the foolproof ferry and how I felt for fairy came into operation in 1930. Swartz Bay,

Speaker 4 12:46
but not nothing like the service you get. No. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. And what about the CPR fair? Was that was that the one that was known as boat day when it came in?

Speaker 3 12:54
Yes, yeah. These are special days. How often did it came, it came in on Monday, on its way down from Powell river, to pick up newsprint via Vancouver to come to Salzburg to then go to Victoria to deliver newspaper newsprint there. And then come back on Tuesday, from Victoria to go to Vancouver. And it came back again on Thursday. And then I forget whether it came back on Friday or Saturday after that. And there might have been an extra sailing in the summer.

Speaker 4 13:28
And passengers were welcome. Oh, yes, yeah. And

Speaker 3 13:32
whenever you went to meet the ferry, you knew most everybody who's getting off or getting on they really the residents or guests of residence.

Unknown Speaker 13:47
So it's sort of a festive occasion when the book came. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 13:52
That's when the mail came in. Oh, yeah. And the first thing that happened? Well, to go back a step. And the Princess Mary was coming in, we could see it from her house. And you'd see the whistle blow the steam coming out of the whistle, right? And then a little while later, the sound would come. Right. So that's when we realized there's a difference between that speed that sound game and and the sight game.

Unknown Speaker 14:17
You didn't need Bob McDonald quarks and quarks.

Speaker 3 14:20
No. So anyway, regardless of that, when when the boat was about to dock as kids would vie to pull in the lines because they threw a big heavy ball on the end of a light line onto the dock and then built page and the friendship was the one that normally did it. That was his responsibility. But as kids would buy to pull in the rope and put it around the stanchion, or whatever it was called. Then the mail would be thrown off and pop eaten would come and

Speaker 2 14:54
was it thrown in the canvas bags or Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 14:57
And then he would take it up. The post office and start sorting it and then came off the all the freight came off and these little dollies that the crew would bring off. And then it was also ice cream day when the ice cream came through. Because there was no electricity and now until about 19 Well Isn't it was an 1837 and electricity first game and most had their own generator. Yeah. But anyway before and after boat days are special because it meant the ice cream some better. And if we were lucky, there'd be a certain gentleman coming off the boat who is I won't say an abbreviated roller. He liked it. He liked to chew this kid stays cream. Oh, yeah. So on those days, that was really, really special. Yeah. Line up at the camera remotes and get our ice cream. And then the ice cream came in padded containers. I have one at home actually, that I bought at an antique shop a few years ago. It'd be dry ice pad on the top to keep it cold, right. And then we would grab those and throw them in the water off the dock and watch all the bubbles come up. Because co2 Yeah. Going back to your question about the liberal liberal that time I was here. I've been here every year that my 81 years, but only part time for 49 years. Considering that we read each year combat for NAFTA, the long harbour ferry came in were able to come over and weekends. When I worked at the City of Vancouver for the last nine years of my working career, we were on a four day week. So maybe a three day weekend every weekend. Wow. Which is great. Yeah.

Speaker 4 16:59
So you were a part time resident in the sense for a lot of those years

Unknown Speaker 17:03
now for 8181 years. 49 years 49. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 17:10
So when and where did you get married?

Speaker 3 17:13
in Vancouver. I graduated in engineering from UBC, in 1953. And after I graduated, buddy I went through engineering with was engaged to a nurse who was in nursing class at UBC. And they arranged a blind date between meeting and Jenny became my wife. Three months later, we were engaged and we were engaged

Unknown Speaker 17:48
three months. That is love at first sight.

Unknown Speaker 17:52
Pretty darn close.

Unknown Speaker 17:54
So you got married in Vancouver?

Unknown Speaker 17:55
Yeah. I heard

Speaker 4 17:59
Rosemary CAMI give a very nice tribute to the rush family. Rose was one of the the Japanese Canadians that was interred during during the war. And she had not a lot of kind of words to say for a lot of the white folks on Saltspring but she she set aside the rush familywize

Unknown Speaker 18:18
I guess

Unknown Speaker 18:19
I know you're like to toot your own horn, but I'm gonna make you

Speaker 3 18:25
I guess it goes back to my mother, who was born in Japan. I didn't have missionary parents who lived in Japan for 50 years. And my grandfather, my mother's father was from Prince Edward Island. And he was a missionary and went to Japan I guess around 19 1900 to 1901 and served over there up in Hirosaki, which is Aomori prefecture up in the north end of the main island. And he built a missionary house there. And his first wife died in a house fire. And he said in the next few years, moved to Tokyo. I'm sorry, he didn't move to Tokyo at that point. But he met but became a second wife, my grandmother. And then my mother was born in Hirosaki. Twin she had a twin brother, Bob Alexander that named after and making the story awfully long. No, no, they were missionaries there. And then my mother was born there in 1903. And then then they moved to Tokyo where he went to Al Murray. I'm sorry. Yeah. Oh yeah, McLaughlin. prestigious University, became a prestigious university in Tokyo. And he was there for 50 years.

Unknown Speaker 20:11
So quite quite a background in Japanese

Speaker 3 20:13
culture. And one of the things along the way was that my grandfather didn't want them to lose the Canadian Heritage. So when my mother and twin brother and subsequently their younger sisters became 18 and finished high school there, they were came to Canada for their university education

Speaker 4 20:37
to Vancouver, Alberta, Alberta, okay.

Speaker 3 20:41
So, my mother stayed here, but my grand my Uncle Bob, went back to Japan and work there and came out with his mother on the second of the last boat out of Japan for the Second World War broke out. Anyway, that's a long story. So that's,

Speaker 4 21:00
that sort of explains how you you have a different take at the Japanese people were hardly alien to you. Oh, no,

Speaker 3 21:06
not at all. negros Snowbird. First Nations. So we were all colorblind.

Speaker 2 21:12
Was that peculiar to the rush family? Or?

Speaker 3 21:15
I don't think so. It may have there may have been exceptions, but I think it was fairly generous on the island, because we're all in the same boat. rural people growing up in a rural place and growing vegetables and,

Speaker 4 21:28
and yet doing Rosemary CAMI remembers your family as being one of the only families that treated them decently.

Speaker 3 21:33
That was because of the outbreak of the Second World War when they invaded, bombed Pearl Harbor on December the seventh 1941. It was. And then there's an animosity against the Japanese at that time. I don't think prior to that.

Unknown Speaker 21:50
So it wasn't it wasn't racial as much as just before. So I think

Speaker 3 21:52
your

Speaker 4 21:57
dad had an interesting experience while he treated Harry Balak, the square of Saltspring that if I'm not mistaken, and he was a patient, he was a patient and he was he's a character in his own right, but But did he not make a rather unusual request of your father? towards his does his

Unknown Speaker 22:15
Yes.

Unknown Speaker 22:18
Anything you could talk about?

Speaker 3 22:22
Mr. boat was deadly afraid of being buried alive. So he told my father, that he had an envelope with some money in it, to make sure that he got his throat slit before he got buried so that he makes sure he was dead.

Speaker 4 22:40
So So he went, he expected your dad to slit his throat. Yeah,

Speaker 3 22:44
we moved away a couple of years before that might have taken place.

Unknown Speaker 22:50
I doubt it. My father. I don't

Unknown Speaker 22:51
know. I

Unknown Speaker 22:52
certainly wouldn't known any different stuff.

Unknown Speaker 22:56
And he was referred to as Bullock not Mr. Bull. Is that right? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 22:59
That's, that's interesting.

Speaker 3 23:03
He he was one of the characters of the island and we have had characters.

Unknown Speaker 23:11
What are some of your favorite characters over the years?

Unknown Speaker 23:13
Well, I guess Dick royal would be another one

Speaker 4 23:17
did roiling on Pettus road. What was what was special about dick?

Speaker 3 23:22
Oh, he was named an individual and didn't like authority. Ignored tax notices and other things, I guess it would come in the mail. And he was I guess, about four, four years older than me and he was a rather chubby kid. And he used to ride a bicycle that his father fixed up the windscreen in front and the bike can used to ride down guaranteed silk paths dark place. And he was chubby. And we used to everybody had nicknames in those days while most people were allowed people I guess. And Chris and Tim kibble. And it is funeral service and St. George's Church. People were asked at the end, if they had anything to say and I got up and said when I said that I had nicknamed him hippo, but in Slatter years it should be hippie.

Speaker 4 24:38
I heard a story about Dick Roy once said that is his pigs used to kind of run free he didn't believe in Fences particularly people used to complain about in the guest once he first came up against a magistrate and the magistrate asked him to explain why he didn't keep his pig. He said, Your Honor, I've

Speaker 7 24:53
shown those pigs all sign 100 times but they just don't seem to read it. I

Speaker 3 25:03
think Ivan mode has a similar story about cows go really in water beside the bridge down this road. So in case of a fire

Unknown Speaker 25:14
What was your nickname?

Speaker 3 25:15
I don't think I had one. It's just Barbie Barbie here, which took a long time to overcome.

Speaker 4 25:25
You've seen a lot of changes in Saltspring populations is almost tenfold

Speaker 3 25:29
gradual? Yeah. So it's not as if a person has been away for a number of years and then come back because these things take place slowly. I guess one of the biggest changes was when the regional districts were brought in about 97. No. 65 I think the regional districts are brought into the province and building zoning and building regulations were required to be brought in. Not throughout the whole province. But in any case, remember, a meeting and Matt Hall and Mark Holmes was the first CRD director and bringing in zoning and bylaws and land use bylaws and things for an island of individualists having this rammed down their throat so this week, Mark was stood it off. When it was brought him he was mandatory. Because that, I guess, I may be confused a little bit but the trust that was created a little bit later, as a result of in disability, huge subdivision proposed on Pender island, with over 1000 Lots. And then a 10 year commit more time and minimum is brought in on a temporary basis of all subdivisions throughout the trust area. That took a while to work through.

Unknown Speaker 27:03
Sure that was controversial, too.

Unknown Speaker 27:05
It's still contentious.

Unknown Speaker 27:06
Yeah, what isn't that but, but

Speaker 3 27:09
it was bringing in the regulations in the first place. Because when we built our cabin, after my wife and I were married, we built another cabin on the same property. No building permits required and no setbacks required. And use don't do, don't you place still a lot of old houses standing over

Speaker 4 27:35
where you hear for any any of the big fires, you must have been here for one or two.

Speaker 3 27:40
There was a big one, I can never remember if it's 1938 or 1939. But I'm told it was the year of the Campbell River fire where they had a huge fire River and burned a good part of the north end of the island. But no houses were destroyed. No lives lost no lives lost. It was started I think from a beach fire and what is sometimes called maple beach and sunset drive. took up well, we still have trees on our property that show that this gorgeous, gorgeous some of them are broken off about 20 feet up and almost two feet in diameter. So that was one of the that was the biggest fire I

Speaker 4 28:28
can remember any any events on Saltspring that really kind of stick in your mind that you play over again.

Speaker 3 28:35
I guess one of the ones during the war and as a kid would be plane crashes. Pat Bay was used as a training base for Commonwealth pilots training. And one of the planes crash crashed landed isn't quite the right word but made a landing that they shouldn't have made near the spit. Ganges harbour COVID alphabetize road Yeah, what was Hague's property or Matheson next to them. Matheson used to raise pigeons at one time. Anyway, this plane that trouble obviously came in and landed on the on the field and went through a wire fence and that depressing as kids went there right after the event and I picked up a piece of aluminum from one of the straps, I guess. I kept it and until I left home after we were married and had to dispose of some things and I remember talking to the pilot at the time and he was from the USA from Georgia or Alabama or somewhere down in there. Well, and then eventually I think George mod would know the story and but the plane I think I saw a picture of it somewhere maybe in the archives I have it being loaded on a barge at the Ganges Wharf, the wharfing Ganges. And then later on another plane crashed on. And that was many, many years later, I think maybe just 30 years or so well, at some of the debris was found while of that plane, nobody was killed in that one they didn't know. So that's, that's one of the incidents again, yes. It was probably lots of

Speaker 4 30:34
putting you on the spot. Is there always been a north south dichotomy on Saltspring? Is it always? Oh, yeah. Yeah. How did that come about? It

Unknown Speaker 30:45
still is.

Unknown Speaker 30:45
Yeah, it is? Well,

Speaker 3 30:48
I don't know. I was too young to analyze it at the time. But my impression is that the people on the north end were from Ireland and England and some remittance men, I guess, encouraged by their families back home to go to the colonies and don't

Unknown Speaker 31:09
come back get lost.

Speaker 3 31:12
But we'll support you financially. So there were some of the maintenance man, I think they were probably mostly on the north end. And then the south end that was probably real settlers that came in and took up preempted land. But at the same time, though, I have to recognize that the first residence, I think we're at the north end here in the forbidden area. And that was one of the original subdivisions in the settlers. Small lots, I think Samson next door. Who are still there are probably they probably are the longest family to live on the same property on Saltspring. As as members of the family. I guess the rockets would be close behind.

Speaker 4 32:02
What about black settlements and Canac? Is that the Hawaiian settlement through the weather in particular areas?

Speaker 3 32:08
No. Well, before my time they were because they're originally the blacks were in the Vesuvius and central area. Connect some, they weren't very prominent, but they're primarily in the forefoot area. Maybe it's because we were in the North End and then about the lumley's were one of the character families and they lived across the harbor from the wharf and Ganges. And the daughter Gwen was a contemporary in school. But the ruling said that the other big ones remaining still Isabella Point area and they have a very strong influence, not influence but history. As evidenced by the Roman Catholic church down there, St. Paul's like it's gone.

Unknown Speaker 33:01
Was that evident when you were growing

Unknown Speaker 33:02
up to do to do the sets that I wasn't

Speaker 3 33:04
aware of it, but it probably was. One thing I've wondered if talking about that area, is that there was a trestle across the end of Fulford Harbor that you see in pictures. And I don't know who built it. But it was obviously built, I would think, probably built by early settlers to get from the Isabella point side to the beaver quite same. So because there's sort of a rocky outcrop around where the churches and there may have been sort of swamp area but the end of the harbor I don't know. But in any case, we're successful across there in a substantial way. Yeah, yeah. kicking myself, I never asked Bob Aikman what he might have known about it before he died.

Unknown Speaker 33:53
Did you know about? Oh, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 33:56
He must have had some stories to swap.

Speaker 3 33:57
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. He married I think 1934 35 Somewhere in there. One of the more some girls. Molly. Molly, play played baseball or softball. Lavender 70s. If I recall,

Unknown Speaker 34:18
was it Molly with the dollies? Yes. If those Yes, yes. Yes.

Speaker 3 34:22
Bob of course had the the native Indian collection that he created very substantial. Some of the arrow points came from in front of harbor house when they did some road improvements at the intersection with full width, lower Ganges road and upper Ganges road. They raised it so there wasn't quite a steep coming up from upper Ganges road to get to lower Ganges creating what was called what became known as lost Lane down below because somebody lived there. So Bob picked up some Have our heads there, but not

Speaker 4 35:03
you mentioned the spit earlier the spit that that's in Ganges harbour and it always struck me that that was like a natural Indian bitten and camera, whatever you really want to call it. Is there any evidence of that deal?

Speaker 3 35:14
Not that I'm aware of. They will probably be more likely to go to the end of Churchill road than the end of Ganges harbor and other locations will be easier access for the land behind it. Here's a course in Indian an old in the Indian village at the end of Isabella Point Road, or truth Urbanus used to be a village not inhabited full time.

Speaker 4 35:49
Nothing was understand is that true that Saltspring was sort of that's what

Speaker 3 35:53
the history is. And first settlers arrived in 1859, the non Aboriginal permanent settlers 1959 Before Vancouver Island was part of British Columbian before British Columbia was part of Canada 1859 When the Hudson's Bay Company had the rights to that ground, so to speak, in Vancouver Island joined BC in 1866, seven years after the first settlers arrived and Saltspring you know your history to a degree? I hated it in high school. Yeah. But it came to appreciate it more. I guess after we were married for two years in 1964, we, my wife and I moved up to Texas for for one year. Sound and that's where Captain Cook first arrived in 1776. That was subject to correction on that. So that was the first history of BC. But I shouldn't say that, of course. History was wrong.

Unknown Speaker 37:04
First. Yeah. First White's history.

Speaker 3 37:08
reputed to be the first one to have landed in British Columbia, although there are evidence that Spaniards sailed past here, at least prior to that.

Unknown Speaker 37:19
And Russians to the Russians. What's been fascinating talk Thank you very

Unknown Speaker 37:26
much, Bob. Welcome, Bob rush. Thanks.

Unknown Speaker 37:34
Oh, good. Oh, that's great. You're a natural sir.

Unknown Speaker 37:40
All I gotta do is remember even Moshe. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 37:46
I guess your dried out?

Unknown Speaker 37:48
Pro. Alright.

Unknown Speaker 37:50
was great. That was?

Unknown Speaker 37:52
Yeah, it's fine. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 37:54
that's the start of the series. I gather. Yeah,

Speaker 4 37:57
I would say I was when I was at yellow point. Marguerite was there. And she mentioned that she's been doing up there. Well, it was just

Speaker 2 38:04
by chance she and Ron were there. And, you know, just the same time we had no idea.

Unknown Speaker 38:10
One thing I guess I could have mentioned

Unknown Speaker 38:13
was that we still can

Speaker 3 38:17
talk about old timers and Saltspring had been here 81 years and I had my 80th birthday last year.

Unknown Speaker 38:24
From let's get this can we get this on tape?

Speaker 3 38:27
Okay. And I celebrated my 80th birthday last year by having 100 or more people at the pharmacy Institute. I look back to see how many people were older than me. They'd been born in Saltspring. Or who were living here and in 1930 When I was born, there were only about 14 people supported me. We were born here. But woods in one. Jim Crawford being another. Notice Rockwell at that time was in method. And then the two James girls, the James had received factory here or Seed Farm. There's Val watt and her sister, Mary. And Evelyn Lee. Mary Mourlot. are the ones that are order. left out a few I'm sure but only about 13 or 14. If you add in Kathleen Ratho, who was not born here, but lived here that time, maybe a total of certainly less than 20 Here. Born here. I'm sorry, who lived here in 1930.

Speaker 1 39:44
All of you said your parents grew up in Ella Kula.

Unknown Speaker 39:50
I think it's Bella Bella and Bella Coola.

Speaker 1 39:53
Because you are Sutherland she was up there as well.

Speaker 3 39:57
Yes, before or after before you Before Yeah, cuz she retired when she left Saltzman at

Unknown Speaker 40:05
the doctor that was hard to hear Yeah, yeah,

Unknown Speaker 40:07
yes took over. And nose days doctors made house calls

Unknown Speaker 40:14
I've heard and

Speaker 3 40:16
I remember going on health occasion with my father not being much money and not much cashing out at that time, doctors tended to get paid, if at all in vegetables and chicken, chickens and things like that and a couple of occasions we've acquired a cow. And on one of those occasions I don't know how old I was, maybe, let's say 10 years old. We picked up a cow at the top of Lee's hill where the big rock is Yeah. And I walked it all the way into her house and Ganges. One morning,

Unknown Speaker 40:53
he was you were the

Speaker 3 40:57
kids didn't get tired in those days, if you ran and ran and ran and ran and you didn't never got tired. We often got I won't say paid, but people invite us to their homes for dinner, and then show that kindness in that way. I can name a few families. But when we visited the records and number times, they remember a lot of struggles. Mother Flores died last year at age 98. And rebels. Remember your mother Mrs. Min Henyk lent me books from your library. One of them was Jack London's book, and one of his Chaplin his books. And was at Moby Dick that he wrote and he bought something called Wild. Whatever it was, anyway, remember, maybe confused with the Moby Dick book about Queequeg?

Unknown Speaker 41:58
Yeah, that's what we did. Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 3 42:00
And one of the things. One of the things I remember from that book was that Queequeg ate with his hands if I recall, and the rest of the people thought that wasn't proper. And what I learned from that was each well, people have their own way of doing things. It's not necessarily right or wrong. It's wherever the customer is. So one of my philosophies is take people for what they are, don't criticize them. Don't judge them, like you even judge them. But you can form opinions on them, but take people for what they are. Don't try and make them over. And just because they're different from you doesn't mean that they're wrong.

Speaker 4 42:44
You mentioned Somewhere I read that you ran into a gentleman, you don't even know who it was, but but he gave you a piece of advice. And you can remember it to this day, the very spot that it

Speaker 3 42:52
happened. That was my first day at school, walking home Boundary Road and starting to go up the hill. Before the first turn. A gentleman walking down, stopped me. I don't remember who it was. I didn't know him at that time. But he asked about school, how was it and whatnot. I said, it's my first day at school. And he said, those would be the happiest days of your life. And I guess they probably were, because he didn't have the same responsibility of making a living. He had these responsibilities at home. But yeah, school is something special in its way. This, this conversation is primarily about Saltspring. And I won't go into the Vancouver part. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 43:46
Well, that's good. That's good. Okay.

Speaker 1 43:49
Well, Mark line that was school was so great, because he didn't have to do all the chores. Oh. Get away from milking the cows.

Unknown Speaker 44:03
Yeah, they had a big dairy farm. And everything glass bottles.

Speaker 2 44:08
Who was that? You'd you mentioned Frank? Marshall? Yeah, that's right. He spoke out and he spoke at the Historical Society in India. Yes. Growing up in Vesuvius.

Speaker 4 44:19
Yeah, it's hard to think of dripping out the big dairy operation on Saltspring. It doesn't seem

Speaker 3 44:26
there's been no sign of anxiety since I've been here. No. There's another big one in Berlin. Yeah, that was the last one that he was. It was last year. Farming was coming back. All going well. Yeah. They had a big operation, too. I didn't I don't think I don't remember them having dairy. Big dairy operation, but maybe they did. Maybe they did.

Unknown Speaker 44:54
We still have those bottlecaps one. Oh, yeah. And

Speaker 3 45:03
one of the other ways my father got paid back was I guess between cows that we had ourselves somebody used to deliver four quarts of milk every day to the to the bottom of the of the driveway

Speaker 2 45:18
we used to have in Ontario we had our milk was delivered in bottles in those thistle top bottles in order to get a little extra tickets thistle top and the cream of the crop and no cream and rice. Yes but on really cold days if you didn't get the milk fast it kept racing right over the ball. The cap would be over like this and cold

Speaker 3 45:36
days. Yeah, yes. Yeah. We used to make her own butter in the Delaval Yeah, well, cream separator Oh, I didn't mention it didn't mention one of the exciting things as a kid was the creamery operation. The bottom of Ganges hill right MB MB bakery is now Yeah, I think his first name was Dr. Arthur Drake. Drake was the Drake rocaille because their house was right next door first one on the right hand and Drake road. But it was a great place because you go in there and the steam boilers would be making steam and turning the big wheels for three or four feet in diameter with the belts. strung between them got flat flat flat flat flat. Mr. Drake was there and would have a testing equipment to test the quality I guess to the butter the creamer what stage it was at? used to smoke cigars to when it's mixed.

Speaker 2 46:41
What was the name of the little building that's still there on is it on her for that's beside a tally at the tally up

Speaker 3 46:49
behind going to know what it is? Well, we're Italian now was the original telephone exchange? That's right. Yeah. And I was delighted a number of well, I guess it's five or six years ago now. When it was bought by Eddie, Eddie Jiang and his wife. And we started as a heritage building. Yes. The heritage building other than man Hall. One in my books. I didn't know that story. And then the building behind it was the original JAM PACKED jam factory. That's what you're right. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't operating and when I was a kid, but it was I think started around 1928 or there abouts.

Speaker 2 47:29
So there was a Saltspring jam that was Yeah, is exported jet jam

Speaker 3 47:33
was made there. And I remember Mrs. Mayer Academy saying what's perhaps one of the reasons for its downfall was that the men discovered that the juice made good wine. Yeah. And then it was an apprentice to Jack Welch and as a kid though we had for a number of years we had a Cubs and scouts on the upper level. Remember mats and time be saying once that that was the first apartment building in the island is eventually got converted to residential salt and still is hot.

Unknown Speaker 48:12
Did you go to the chicken house school?

Speaker 3 48:14
No, that was the high school. And that was discontinued in 1940. It was a 1940 that the various schools around the island are all consolidated into one school Ganges, which is now the Ganges elementary school or Saltspring. Elementary I'm not sure what the name of it is. But in 1940 it was officially opened in April the first 1940 and it consolidated the Fernwood school school at Central began to school, the Blackburn school and Blackburn road and I think a couple other ones in in the forefoot area. Burgoyne and Infoprint, maybe but not the one in Isabella pointed beaver pointer. A couple of that didn't incorporate at that time and it became Kansas element. consolidated school, and the high school that you're referring to was the chicken coop School, which was in the building beside man. Oh, oh.

Speaker 6 49:22
And that's made from the wood and the windows and everything from that are really, really

Speaker 1 49:31
good division. When they built a new school that consolidated school didn't match. They had to tear the other one down first.

Speaker 3 49:43
Well, I don't know I have coincided or not because they would have had kept the high school going while they built the new school. But they could have had temporary facilities perhaps because Anything's better than the chicken coop soon. The reasons got Chicken Coop originally was called the chicken coop school because it was a chicken coop because the original settlement and Saltspring commercial center was at Central. And then that's that was built by the farmers organization at that time and 1898 I think it was 1897 Maybe. And then the move into Ganges and 1901 built man Hall, and that the fairgrounds then moved down to where the school grounds are for elementary school. When I was a kid, there were sheep sheds all along Rainbow Road that were used for the people at the Fall fair. And the school at when this consolidated school was built. Then the school bus system was brought in, in Boston. And it was built I think, half with maybe provincial funds and half the funds raised locally. And I got it from what Madison Toynbee told me one time Gavin Moore was one of the ringleaders in that getting the school is consolidated and he would go around people's houses and say hey open the book and say I've got you down for extra money was raised in the school was built not quite the same way fundraising is done.

Unknown Speaker 51:35
Do you know when the school was

Speaker 6 51:41
well, this house apparently came up here 1938 38 That's

Speaker 1 51:45
make sense because I never saw a picture with a consolidated school and chicken house school at the same time. And they must have interfered with space.

Speaker 3 51:57
Okay. It must have been temporary school and their credit your private school so now that that time and Mrs. Morehouse had one up on and on Robinson road I guess it's I'm sorry, it's African Geez road opposite Churchill road. And there's Benson's up on where there were bitten cart row goes down. Right. And then there's another one across the road. I think.

Unknown Speaker 52:27
My mother and her siblings wait for me have

Speaker 3 52:32
you and your family if the students is lived there? I think in the early 30s

Unknown Speaker 52:38
They lived in Dean Roadhouse. Yes,

Speaker 3 52:41
yeah, that was a school at one time that was the main one when I was a kid was at the end of Hereford road up on the hill. Run by Mr. Cropper. And it was primarily for boys. But then they had some girls there too. My younger sister, my younger sister, went there for the first year. I picked the name of it, but Ethel copper still around. There a lot of private schools, which for whatever reason, interesting. Yeah. The Tulsans were copyrighted to school. Just put a Ganges hill in the water side. The building was still there. Did you mention

Unknown Speaker 53:25
the name schools a minute ago? Yep. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 53:28
My mother

Speaker 4 53:29
hole was the she related to any schools and Saanich?

Speaker 6 53:32
Well, well, by marriage. I see. Okay. Yeah. And he was married to my uncle John was still still living just over there. The family was from Galliano originally. And then, when their children got to school age, they moved over here. They lived here for about 10 years, while they were going to school,

Unknown Speaker 53:55
and the operator to launch

Unknown Speaker 53:58
passengers, not a fairy but a

Speaker 3 54:02
passenger launch. I remember one evening, it didn't come home from a trip up to Thetis Island. And it was and there's a lot of concern that something tragic had happened. But I guess the weather was such that they stayed over whoever it was, and everybody was happy when they showed up the following morning.

Speaker 6 54:21
That was the kids. That was the kids. It wasn't the it wasn't grandfather's little children. Bill was Bill and Bill and Betty and Mom. Mom. I think that was it. And mom was a really good friend with Ellison mod. Yes. And it was New Year's Eve. And they came over they were having a party a galleon or so they came over to pick up Alison to take her back to Galliano for this New Year's Eve party. And her father, Captain Maude wouldn't let her go Oh, oh, but he also sent them off. So, so I quit in the boat, my mother's story. And they were, they were just drifting and they drifted from Fulford all the way up to Cooper.

Unknown Speaker 55:18
Oh, I had the opposite direction.

Speaker 6 55:21
Yeah. And and she was saying, you know, they're going hope help you can imagine these kids and, and at one point she said that her is her older sister was going to jump in and swim to the shore. But she in the end she didn't and there was a need a vendor Indian fellow walking along the beach and he heard them and he got in a rowboat and pulled them in. And I guess got I don't know. Maybe phone somebody or something. But anyway, they were all safe and it was just an amazing

Speaker 3 55:58
out. Yes, yeah, it was happening. Very scary. Yeah. I remember your grandfather studies Bay. And when we used to go on the Princess Mary to Vancouver once a year. I used to be the postmaster there at a pig pig leg. Yeah, he used to go to Vancouver once a year in late August to get our school supplies and visit visit my grandparents and we're staying Coover. How long would you stay there? Oh, I guess a week at the most and then get a school supplies and go to the end. Yeah, of course. Shopping some for some clothes and come back a bit because prior to that other most of the shopping lists.

Speaker 4 56:45
These are this is delicious. By the way somebody else put or eat something or

Speaker 3 56:48
most of the shopping is done through like yep, Sears catalogs. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 56:52
that's the same story.

Unknown Speaker 56:54
Or made serious serious, right.

Speaker 2 56:58
Wait Sears Roebuck, Sears Roebuck okay, we had Simpsons in

Speaker 2 57:07
it there was even a saying and because since there's an eton's in Toronto, or we're literally side by side there something exactly the same stuff. But there were side by side huge six or seven storey department stores and if somebody was nosy it's a does eton's Bother Simpsons.

Speaker 3 57:28
guess one other thing I remember too was that there were still horses with carts that people use for the transportation were to left Wow in the 1930s kids that's a good point. Abraham rate being one of them. And Crawford forget his first name now. We haven't used to go into Ganges get their supplies. It wasn't a horse and buggy. It was a wagon behind flat sides. Pick up their feed. What? Pick up their mail. Do whatever else.

Unknown Speaker 58:09
Do we have oxen on the island?

Speaker 3 58:11
They did. Long before my time. Yeah. Going back to the Princess Mary. That's where all the free came in. Hardly any came in from Victoria side. If I recall. Most of the game in the Princess Mary wasn't picked up immediately by the recipients. We go into the freight shed. So it's interesting always to go into the freight shed to see who was getting wet. One year, I found some boxes addressed to Dr. Rush. And it was Christmas

Unknown Speaker 58:47
which is a set of the books of knowledge. Oh wow.

Speaker 3 58:49
Because they're gonna do that year salesman from Victoria. Look something because named off and he turned around the island in this pirate and had a rumble seat. Oh, yeah. So as kids are gonna say nominated or conscripted or whatever. But we sat in the backseat in the rumble seat actually went and called on the various people because we could tell them ahead of time. Who lived where

Unknown Speaker 59:18
yeah, of course, get aware. Early GPS

Speaker 3 59:22
ran into many years later. That offense for sure. Yeah, I ran into many years later at the Strathcona hotel where he was working on the desk. And they while they were here during this selling trip, his wife lived down or camped down at the bottom of Betancourt road. And the wharf was still there and Bittencourt sort of was still there. But you couldn't access it at well, you could but you weren't supposed to.

Unknown Speaker 59:54
I don't know when it was torn down. But I've got pictures of it with me in front of it.

Speaker 4 1:00:01
was there was a lot of shipping there some shipping done on the on the other side of the island and stuff in Musgrave or Coinbase.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:07
I forgotten that there wasn't. I thought there was.

Speaker 3 1:00:09
Well before the steamer service. Yeah. On a regular basis. Steamers from Victoria. Captain Nanaimo? That's right. That's what I stopped off at Musgrave in the Vesuvius. And that's one of the reasons why the initial commercial settlement was at Central because the stimulus would come in. Well, they'd offload stuff at the service even before there was a wharf. And on the other side of the island, they'd offload at Fernwood here on the other side, so that became a settlement this center is also farther away from people reading from the ocean from the from the shore. I want to should have mentioned too, that the original settlement and the commercial center was at Central, but it moved down into Ganges following the move of the farmers Institute, or what became the farmers Institute in 1901, or there abouts. And according to David Weatherall, it's partly because Ganges was more of a protected harbor. It's a destination place whereas Fernwood and the Vesuvius were stopped by place Yeah, Ganges was the destination place but it made for easier to travel to the other outer islands because we were related to the outer islands in many ways. The biggest development my books came in 1912. And a person by the name of Ward subdivided a good part of Ganges it created that whole area between Rainbow Road and Mike Phillips Avenue Hereford didn't exist at that point and, and Mike Phillips didn't exist at that point. Now Lambie 10 Phillips in the in the Ganges harbor was swamp, sometimes referred to as McAfee swamp. Anyway, going back to the 1912, that's when the big subdivision took place. What is now downtown Ganges.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:17
And this word, was he was he politically connected or

Speaker 3 1:02:20
no? Well, no, I don't think so. But Mike Phillips was named after one of the provincial cabinet ministers, who was, I think, a lawyer that Ward knew I suppose, and Ward had come from Herefordshire, Shropshire and Herefordshire. So that's good for us as for that game, and one of the lots was given to the Ganges Athletic Association or some such name, which is now beside the Korean. There are some naturopaths or some Yeah, Delta health people in there. Yeah. And as such, it was a social club. It was used when they had a pool hall at the pool table in there. Strictly men. And McAfee was one of the people there. McAfee was the blacksmith. Ha, he was we're guessing alias now. So that was it. There was a forest there that was a blacksmith shop. And that was another interesting place to go by because he'd see the Forge work. Yeah. The bellows that would be a natural sign, bang, bang, bang. And then, in season, people hang their deer there to ripen or whatever the word is for the meat. And he also used to drive golf balls off the head, he would pay us kids think, a couple of cents or maybe a nickel to retrieve the balls. And he was I would like to follow up the story with Arbor Chalmers about moat Park. It should be called McAfee Park. Because, as I understand it from Harvard, the land was donated by McAfee as part of his will. And Gavin may have been an executor, whatever it was, and it was dedicated as Park property. But then subsequently, I gather the provincial government when they took over ownership or maybe even had the ownership at that time. Named after Gavin closely with them. But like the follow up that story, so yeah, it'd be worth knowing that McAfee live just up the hill. But it was it's all swamp area between perfect Ganges road and Phillips Avenue. So it's a blacksmith shop on the one side and Creamery up on the other side.

Unknown Speaker 1:04:41
was the one that operated as an agent for the government in the negotiations between the Japanese Yeah,

Speaker 3 1:04:47
yeah. No, I think the landlord sense it drivers purchased by another group from expropriation, shall we call it

Unknown Speaker 1:04:57
for lack of a better term I

Speaker 3 1:05:03
guess going back to major developments after the 1912 subdivision, they would have been the creation of Centennial Park filling in what was is that what this was? Yeah, no, no. On the other side, the other side. Oh, Centennial Park. Yeah. And then the area where the parking lot is now for thrifts. Yes, that makes it all it was was an isthmus. They go up to remote stories? Well, it's just the width of the road and then a little bit on the left hand side, heading towards north store. It was swamp above not swamp in there. My plan is that areas to be used as a log dump. Opposite man Hall, and logs boomed in there in a couple of stories from that is that as kids weren't supposed to do it, but we had a lot of fun going down to the shore by man Hall in front of Mount Hall playing along the lot booms. And some of them are just one single log to get over to that store and the other side, and periodically, the principal would say, you know, you better not do that you're not allowed to do that. Because what could happen of course, is the fallen down between the two logs and logs that come up. And the other stories that were the firewall is now one time when the herring herring spawning season that herring came in there and I guess responding and the logs were there and the tide went out hearing on the shore. And so a lot of us went and picked up herring. But it smelled for a while after that.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:56
A lot of fertilizer fast.

Speaker 6 1:07:00
Did you get a little offense? Did they get hooligans?

Speaker 3 1:07:04
No, I guess they may have but we didn't know the mess.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:08
The cable fishing.

Speaker 3 1:07:10
Yeah. Going back to man Hall. That's that was the hall on the islands as far as entertainment was concerned. magician shows would come to the island or concert come down and scoop concerts were held there one year and I was the one of the Seven Dwarfs. There wasn't though it wasn't topia. Remember that another year I was I had a little froggy thing over my head. Froggy. Froggy would have moving go. Oh, yeah. Master ceremonies for one year and forgotten to bring the script with me from the house. declared by

Unknown Speaker 1:08:00
here Oh, that's

Unknown Speaker 1:08:03
for Mr. Yep. Nope, that was pretty easy.

Speaker 4 1:08:09
Although I think for all your talk today, you're, you're selling yourself short.

Speaker 3 1:08:15
They had a janitor there when you're a caretaker when you're at Mount Hall. And it was in over in the side moving to the wings. And he had a mattress attached to the wall curled up that that's where he slept. It's sort of like a hammock matches made into the hammock type thing. Well, there's also another little boat or something called it'll do. Where the I guess the visitor center is now? Yeah, it was. So that's sort of a it's not quite a house boat, but it's a boat. I think that Brown had up in the cranberry that he brought down there. Oh, and another thing too, I guess the PML six good priest police motor watch number six, used to have its home where the Ganges Wharf is and a little sideslip. And it is the provincial police in those days. And it would go around to the various islands. Well, close ones anyway. Yeah. And as kids were August, my father used to make cars with them occasionally and allow us kids two occasions that the only

Speaker 2 1:09:35
police force I had at that time is nobody else stationed here permanently.

Speaker 3 1:09:39
It was safe to premiere was Mr. Tweed hope but not sure but it was mentally. Tweed Hawk was one and Lockwood was another one during during the 30s and then they would use the book. Yeah. And then my follies to do that. Come out of Fernwood here once a year to check the school over and Galliano and forget who's who used to charter it from or not try to refund there's just probably nope board. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:10:20
Probably my grandfather,

Speaker 3 1:10:23
it might have been but it's probably Mr. Just Mr. Howard with an outboard on his rowboat. Then Wallace Island was a summer place for I won't say rich kids from Seattle. But it used to be used to come out here Fernwood they had their own own boat I think that we used to over there periodically to my father was the doctor on call so yeah, we needed but it was hurtful. But elder Fernwood here. How long did you that practice? Somebody? From 1930 I guess. I guess a year before that. And then guess I think he practiced in Vancouver. into his well into his 70s patients wouldn't let him go. He died in his 100th year. Wow. Wow. I've got his genes. Yeah.

Speaker 6 1:11:34
I couldn't find it. I had a picture of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. What did I do? Well, I was I knew it. But I actually think it might have been done on Galliano.

Unknown Speaker 1:11:49
Oh, yes. All right. Yeah.

Speaker 6 1:11:50
I think it might have been done there. Because my mother was still white. Yes. And she has quite a bit older than you.

Speaker 3 1:12:04
John was the closest to me, and he's a couple years older. I think.

Unknown Speaker 1:12:08
He's 80. Yeah. 83.

Unknown Speaker 1:12:10
Did you go to school with John?

Unknown Speaker 1:12:15
I think he went to private school. He probably went to grad school. I would guess,

Unknown Speaker 1:12:20
Morehouse. He would have gone to primary house.

Speaker 6 1:12:24
Yeah. And then he went to North Ed when he was a little bit older. to private school. I

Speaker 3 1:12:34
forget the name of the school, but I think it's probably someone that Mike Hobbs went to and Don Laird went to forget the name of it. In case

Unknown Speaker 1:12:48
go to Luca Jana.

Speaker 6 1:12:50
Yeah, I was in there. And I went to school. But I think even though I think it is I think it's Dempo Stevens

Unknown Speaker 1:12:59
in the search on Galiana.

Unknown Speaker 1:13:01
Oh, okay, search for no word.

Unknown Speaker 1:13:09
That's true logical.

Unknown Speaker 1:13:13
And then there were a group of people here that I was going to see if you knew any of them

Speaker 3 1:13:29
I didn't know many people in Ghana rather than the school's family and the new family. Oh, right. I had a new I think was in Greenwich here near last years. And she used to color big photographs. And we have a photograph of one of the three mastered CPR boats going through active paths. They come from up on the bluff. And then she colored that my brother acquired that photograph has it is based

Unknown Speaker 1:14:01
on my sheet Donald Knuth. Mother

Unknown Speaker 1:14:05
goes I would I would I would think I would think sister.

Speaker 6 1:14:09
It was yes. Where do I look?

Speaker 3 1:14:14
down on you, Captain. There's no adult on there that used to go between steepster

Unknown Speaker 1:14:22
Roadmaster yeah

Unknown Speaker 1:14:29
so you had a misspent youth youth did you

Unknown Speaker 1:14:33
have to be careful?

Unknown Speaker 1:14:37
Yeah, pretty much.

Unknown Speaker 1:14:40
Read your columns. Your your confessional.

Unknown Speaker 1:14:44
Yes, that's right. Yeah. We're gonna be careful.

Speaker 6 1:14:52
dimples. Stevens. Here's an interesting one. Not that long ago. Wow

Unknown Speaker 1:15:07
somebody said it was an

Unknown Speaker 1:15:11
act of pass while

Unknown Speaker 1:15:13
Bernie Thank you Michelle Bernie why one

Unknown Speaker 1:15:20
told all these vignettes that'll teach me just that I need them they're not all done.

Speaker 3 1:15:28
I think we all make that mistake of not putting the information on the back of a photograph they got back to in three generations and we don't know who

Unknown Speaker 1:15:36
mostly degenerates into arguments.

Speaker 1 1:15:41
But then the old timers they sometimes scribble something in the back of the photograph and glued it in.

Speaker 6 1:15:50
Trying to get those off, you have to take them if they're on in those albums. Oh, yeah, pages. You have to take them all off and take all when you take them off, you invariably get some of the black stuff back and you have to scratch that. It's a nightmare. That part of being an archivist is not

Speaker 4 1:16:14
reminds me of a time I wanted to be an archaeologist and I went to a dig and they handed me a toothbrush and a scalpel. I

Unknown Speaker 1:16:25
wanted a backhoe That's right. Take x at least

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find the skull immediately. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 1:16:32
with with diamond teeth.

Speaker 6 1:16:37
So Chris Arnett is he doing the presentation in January, January. He's doing it on they had an archeological dig up that couldn't be up north of Dalian. Oh, really? And he was up there last summer. So that's what he's doing in January. So you probably like

Unknown Speaker 1:16:55
yeah, I would very much I'm really interested in

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Baker blush

Speaker 3 1:17:09
this may be or is that still on Frank? Yeah. Now the thing on the boat bays. Meeting the Princess Mary these to offload Lafleur feed sacks of feed, and flour and seeds are different kinds of that used to and the more it's feed shed where the bookstore is now. Right. And us kids used to have a great time in the feed shed on the sacks and making little holes and cabins and not cabins but cubby holes in there that's a play.

Speaker 6 1:17:44
Yeah, it's Snow White. But yeah, some I first thought it was the same one and then come to think of it

Unknown Speaker 1:17:58
you see, well hidden

Speaker 6 1:18:04
apparently, Stevens made the costumes for all these kids. Quite amazing.

Speaker 3 1:18:10
Going back to his boat base there used to be used to ship off cartons and cartons or boxes and boxes of apples. That's yeah, it used to be the apple. Real apple. I remember being picked at Bullock's farm and being put in boxes and shipped off memory a couple of times to their big their pigs trying to round them up and get them on board the ship.

Unknown Speaker 1:18:35
They don't take direction

Speaker 3 1:18:37
no, no. And then one summer season phaser I think was the name I think cousin or brother of Florida struggles shipped cascade bark out of their off their farm what's coming Escobar came from a cast Cara tree I presume if I understood correctly at the time and recall correctly now. It is used for black eyeshadow or something like that. Well, maybe maybe it's amazing. Maybe it's a mess medicine or something like visit

Unknown Speaker 1:19:11
it. Yeah. Never heard. Never heard of a mascara tree. No on the island

Speaker 3 1:19:16
that was just one year, last year. At Google in another time. That was the honeymoon of Bob Patterson and Netsy Baker English class Campbell's parents. They're married and they're going off on the on the Princess Mary and the customer at that time for seitan. And only once was to have a sort of a model boat that maybe a foot and a half long or something and throw it in the water. And if it's stayed up right then what's going to be successful marriage. Well, if it turned over then stayed up. Right.

Unknown Speaker 1:19:58
Right. Yeah, but thanks Think

Unknown Speaker 1:20:02
you wouldn't want it to get capsized in

Unknown Speaker 1:20:06
both days for great days.

Unknown Speaker 1:20:08
Yeah, it sounds like they're really exciting.

Speaker 3 1:20:12
The main event going back to the telephone exchange, where the restaurant is now, yes, it's been converted to that. That's how I used to tell the time. Or find out what the correct time was, because that goes before the CBC time signals in the morning at 10 o'clock. And the telephone operators to be the one that kept in touch with the outside world. So you phone them to get the time.

Unknown Speaker 1:20:41
You could do what time? Yeah,

Speaker 3 1:20:43
yeah. And that wasn't often too often the way the time was all that critical. But the telephone operators to they used to plug in that little cards and whatnot, and they didn't operate 24 hours a day. But in any case, they could keep track where my father was. And if somebody was needed to get in touch with the Father and say, well, we saw him or heard that he was just over. It's also trying to reach in there. And the guests also my father may have even left messages with them that says, if anybody calls, I'm not in there. I can be reached at wherever it is. Long before the days of answering machines.

Unknown Speaker 1:21:26
Exactly. Real human beings imagine

Speaker 6 1:21:29
on the cascade tree looks like we're right in the in the area. So can I not even know that?

Unknown Speaker 1:21:39
I guess the bark off there no trees left.

Unknown Speaker 1:21:55
Can't see a close up solid note again, if I saw

Speaker 6 1:21:58
yeah, there's one of the leads which Yeah, I see the nice.

Unknown Speaker 1:22:03
No, it's very, very strongly fit

Speaker 6 1:22:07
with the berries, and they're distinct. There's lots of tears,

Unknown Speaker 1:22:11
lots of berries in Costco.

Speaker 6 1:22:17
Anyway, it's what we used in nursing for laxative. Really?

Unknown Speaker 1:22:21
Did you crush the leaf or was it like a powder it was

Unknown Speaker 1:22:24
a black was a black syrup bar.

Unknown Speaker 1:22:27
So that would make sense with your

Speaker 6 1:22:33
job is to have this stuff called mag cask. And it was magnesium. You put a little bit of a cast Garen the bottom of this much of a little and then we would add the white magnesium. And that would be

Speaker 4 1:22:50
a lot of water. I hope. Sounds pretty cool.

Speaker 6 1:22:53
Actually, I quite liked it because it tasted like licorice. Oh really? Yeah. Didn't have a bad taste. And they probably put sugar in it

Unknown Speaker 1:23:04
or use it in his beard using the Beard Wax or something of that period.

Speaker 6 1:23:16
He is yeah, they have stuff for that. They did.

Unknown Speaker 1:23:20
Yeah. Beard beard blackened or beard.

Speaker 3 1:23:23
Exactly. But people use different things for their hair nowadays.

Unknown Speaker 1:23:29
Some people are gonna use shoe polish

Unknown Speaker 1:23:30
speaking of black but some title your next book. I'm running out of ideas. That cap maybe

Unknown Speaker 1:23:41
you got one coming up this Christmas?

Unknown Speaker 1:23:43
No, not this year. No,

Unknown Speaker 1:23:44
I haven't got my

Speaker 2 1:23:45
publishers. Not real healthy right now. So he's kind of kind of hanging back a bit but I'm going to find it this week whether he wants to do one for the spring.

Speaker 1 1:23:57
Em asleep. Do you have asleep? It seems like you want to

Speaker 9 1:24:03
call from your it's not that that's it's I get up early. I

Speaker 2 1:24:09
think that's that's the whole thing. I get up at five o'clock. So and they get more done in the first two hours and I get done. Yeah, there's not there's nothing else to do but work. Can't talk to anybody. There's nothing on TV and you can't make phone call

Unknown Speaker 1:24:23
to make coffee first. Yeah. Sometimes

Unknown Speaker 1:24:28
when you walk the dog boats eight o'clock. Oh, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:24:33
I got two dogs. They're getting old or something.

Speaker 6 1:24:36
So they don't get up with you. Probably yeah, they one of them does

Speaker 2 1:24:39
the other No, the other one's really awesome. He's almost no animals have to wake him up to walk.

Unknown Speaker 1:24:44
He much rather sleep. Yeah, what?

Unknown Speaker 1:24:47
Can I interest anybody in a

Unknown Speaker 1:24:49
beer? Not for me. Thanks, Frank.

Unknown Speaker 1:24:54
Beer, I'll get it out of here.

Unknown Speaker 1:24:57
That's okay. I'll suffer through So

Unknown Speaker 1:25:02
how do you like your apple? Your is that a pro?

Speaker 6 1:25:05
iMac Pro? Right? Yeah, it's a MacBook Pro. I love it. And I've had it. I know I'm

Speaker 2 1:25:10
gonna take the leap I think. I think you should Yeah, cuz I'm, I was just cursing my machine again this morning it. It's yeah, everybody that has it Apple says.

Speaker 6 1:25:19
So why don't ya Why don't It was a real it was a real learning curve I bet it wouldn't be when I first I had it I thought, Gee, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to you know get really comfortable I kept looking for the right click that was the thing that was bugging Oh yeah. Doesn't have a mouse for one. Yeah doesn't have a right click. So anyway, yeah, Frank has been very good

Unknown Speaker 1:25:45
are you your Mac?

Unknown Speaker 1:25:48
Well, that's good.

Speaker 1 1:25:50
I used to teach computer skills for somebody who never touched a computer before, one Mac and one PC or in an hour, two hours, the guy on Mac knows much more than interesting. on the PC.

Speaker 2 1:26:12
I have two PCs, and they're different different models. They don't want to dwell on ones, the ones that made me forget what it is, but but I have to retrain myself every time I go off one. No, it doesn't work on this one. And my computer has a way of erasing things that you've just written or like a home page. And so it's just something you touch with your one of my fingers touches something.

Speaker 6 1:26:34
Because you can undo. Yeah. And this is really neat. Little iPad. That's right, that

Speaker 4 1:26:41
my partner has one Lynn's got one. Yeah. But you know what she found that she can't do and everybody keeps telling her you can't do it. I don't believe this is that she can't do group emails. You can't you can only send an email to one person and everybody looks at the machines, isn't it? So it seems to be? It is? It is exciting. That seems really weird to me. Oh,

Speaker 6 1:26:59
I know. You can reply all. Yeah, I don't know about initial. Yeah. So

Speaker 3 1:27:06
for the first time, I'm about to send out a group email to old timers, because I'm responsible for organizing old times their union next year. Because the original previous committee is evaporated. Pick up the strings. Yeah. Yeah. 50 years or more, lived your 50 years or more ago or is related to one. Well, I organized the first one that farmers Institute back in 1957. Hold still live in Vancouver, and that chaired it for 57. No, there's no wrong you're 80 780-787-9297 2002 and last year turns to a younger group. And they've all resigned or can't do it for whatever reason. So you're back and set it up. So back in the sale. So I've got 300 email address 300 Plus email addresses all in one group now. I've composed a covering letter and I'm about to just push the button and

Unknown Speaker 1:28:04
that's what that's a nice feeling to do the

Speaker 3 1:28:06
half of may have changed in the meantime. That's true. People change their email addresses quite often.

Unknown Speaker 1:28:11
Oh, you're on tell us imaging or the saw

Speaker 5 1:28:19
limited list of warships that right jump fail.

Speaker 1 1:28:25
And they won't let me send them all what I have to split them up. I'm afraid something that

Speaker 6 1:28:32
might happen if that's what I found. Yeah. Yeah, I can see some more tomorrow than one person. But it couldn't have been I guess if I had a group as an address, like spring archives info or whatever. See, I can add as many as I want. It looks like

Unknown Speaker 1:29:00
so yeah, here's here's.

Speaker 1 1:29:02
Oh, you have two on here. Yeah, I

Unknown Speaker 1:29:06
got two dresses.

Speaker 1 1:29:08
For you can put put another one behind.

Unknown Speaker 1:29:12
Yeah, I could put lights. Sure. But could I put a group

Unknown Speaker 1:29:19
as well? That is a group. Save it to an address book as a group? Yeah.

Speaker 6 1:29:27
Yeah. It's just saves, everything doesn't there's no more I can put in all the addresses, but it keeps track of them as I get them. So if nobody sent me an email, then I have to hand handwrite the address. So I don't think you can do a whole

Speaker 4 1:29:49
group. So let's turn it just seemed pretty weird to me. I

Speaker 6 1:29:52
can do lots of people individually put them all in one at a time. Yeah, yeah. But to do that is not assemble, there's no

Unknown Speaker 1:30:04
oh no, this is something else.

Speaker 3 1:30:07
Group things express an outlet a difference between with email found out

Unknown Speaker 1:30:22
days and days three,

Unknown Speaker 1:30:25
I don't hear from somebody do something wrong. You just didn't get anybody could lie their way out of a commitment

Unknown Speaker 1:30:37
find it in your draft.

Speaker 7 1:30:42
I found but two years after I got a computer, I found my drafts file once I buy extra

Unknown Speaker 1:30:48
things that were totally up to date. An address.

Unknown Speaker 1:30:54
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:30:56
That's what Linda's saying. Do remind me. explore.

Unknown Speaker 1:31:01
Explore. If you

Speaker 2 1:31:02
have any fruitful results, let me know. Because it seems to me that it just, it's got to be able to you have to be able to do it somehow. But a couple of people have asked us in.

Speaker 6 1:31:15
Well, yeah, it's not 100% versatile. It doesn't open any flashplayer files.

Unknown Speaker 1:31:24
So what do you like it for particular just to get it so portable, or?

Speaker 6 1:31:27
I love it because it's portable. Yeah, I put three pictures off my camera in here. Yeah, I like that feature. I do lots of email. I take it to bed. Yeah. So that's portability. Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:31:41
I was just reading a, an appreciation of Steve Jobs today. And he said when when it came out, it was paying basically by the by the critics, they said, well, it's not it's not it's not going to work. It's, you know, it's like it's a cute idea. But, but the people just took to it. It just just flew off the shelves. And so the critics are wrong.

Unknown Speaker 1:31:59
I like it for everything but word processing. It's

Speaker 7 1:32:02
yeah. See, that's what like that's all I want a laptop for pretty much so.

Unknown Speaker 1:32:05
Yeah, I think I do.

Speaker 2 1:32:08
You know, we're going to Southeast Asia in January. So I'm thinking I may make it a learning a double learning experience. We're going to Thailand, northern Thailand and Vietnam and Laos.

Unknown Speaker 1:32:18
Are you going with Cape Cod? Yeah.

Speaker 8 1:32:22
We went on our first trip. Did you? Yeah. Well, everybody has gone on. And after that, yeah, I've never

Speaker 2 1:32:28
in fact, that's the reason we're going because I've never been on a not being crazy, but the idea of tourists but they come so well recommended.

Speaker 6 1:32:34
Yes. It was good. It's a really good trip. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:32:39
Yeah, we're looking forward to it. Have fun.

Speaker 3 1:32:42
Cambodia is a complex country is it? Yeah. Going it's hard to imagine Pol Pot murdering 1.7 million people. It's it's

Speaker 10 1:32:52
it's it's beyond a nightmare their own people. Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:32:55
Because their intellectual are glasses. When we went there, the local guide that que cos had hired did wear glasses at the time of Pol Pot, and she took them off and hid them because she didn't want to get sent out to the countryside and slaughtered. And she's her most of the rest of the family got killed.

Speaker 4 1:33:19
So it was yeah, it's beyond a nightmare. It's

Unknown Speaker 1:33:26
definitely hard to imagine. The other

Speaker 3 1:33:28
thing, when we were going from Thailand, into Cambodia, I think we flew in into the airport and wherever it was in Cambodia. And going through customs we each had it in our passports and whatnot. And then one couple get got held it to one side. And there's two in the foreign passport got passed down from one person to another person to another person as part of the process. And this person got called aside that didn't come through. The story was or the the pretext of the problem with the passports didn't have three blank pages. But when $20 us bills said.

Speaker 2 1:34:18
Yeah, they said they said just to bring them along about $100 Hunt. No, I'm going to take a little more than that cash. That seems a little late to me for emergencies.

Unknown Speaker 1:34:27
Well, you can they do have things Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 1:34:29
yeah, that's the basic gist is if you've got an ATM, you're fine. But I always find it doesn't hurt to have few bills totaling.

Speaker 6 1:34:39
Well, when I was in last year, I went to Italy. Well, I went to England, France and Italy and Italy. I was staying with friends but I went on a tour before before I met with friends. So the tour finished in Rome, and I had to get up to a place called QZ which is up in Tuscany So I was by myself and I went to the train station early because I'm terrible with Italian, I wanted to make sure that, that, you know, I got on the right chain and you know, everything I had a seat and everything worked out. So I was there quite early wandering around the train station. And finally, the train came in, after probably two hours me just wandering around, but that's what I wanted to do. So I went into I went in there got into one of those little compartments, they have six seats, yeah. And each one, and I put my bags up top, and I sat down in the seat, and I already determined that it didn't have to have a designated seat, I could just sit anywhere. So I was sitting quite happily. And I'm talking to this Pakistani young man who's sitting next to me. And then comes a woman. And two or three others sort of behind her there seem to be a lot of people. And they came and stood right in front of me. And they said, you're sitting in my seat. So well, I don't think so. But I'm not gonna fight. So I got up and I took my bag, and I don't know he's moving around into the little hallway. They have and this little kid was trying to take something off my off my suitcase. And I kept saying, Stop it. It's mine. It's mine. And there was a lot of stuff going on around me. And I stood up. And this young Pakistani man had my wallet in his hand, and he handed it to me. So what these people had done was they got me all discombobulated

Unknown Speaker 1:36:51
without being racist. Would this have been gypsies?

Unknown Speaker 1:36:53
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 6 1:36:57
Everything so secure, you wouldn't believe I had underneath a cape. I had my purse was under my arm. And I had, I had another little bag it with my wallet inside it inside. My person is all samples. They got it all out. And they got my wallet out. And he didn't

Unknown Speaker 1:37:18
know what's happening.

Speaker 6 1:37:22
Well, there was just so much bugging me and I, you know, I was fussing. But now where am I going to sit? thing. And yeah, he handed me my wallet. And it was totally intact. Well, and he shoved them all out of the compartment and out. So they all left and and the two of us sat down. Because they didn't get my passport, but they would have had all my money, all my cards, all my things. And when I sat back into the chair, this is what I haven't quite figured out. I had a plastic bag with my Canadian. I've been to France and England and Canadian. So I had French Canadian and British money in this plastic bag right at the bottom of my purse. And this plastic bag was on the seat.

Unknown Speaker 1:38:19
Was it intact? Oh, no.

Unknown Speaker 1:38:22
So they must be looked at that. Canadian money fine. It was just like this for about two days.

Unknown Speaker 1:38:36
Yeah, that's that's a classic gamble for gypsy family.

Speaker 2 1:38:40
It's still something on you. Yeah. And they will never get that rubbing you all over the place. And you know, while they're rubbing and other guys in your pocket.

Speaker 6 1:38:47
Yeah, well, you know, I someone had told me about that. But it just didn't. No, no, it's didn't I didn't process it.

Unknown Speaker 1:38:54
I guess. Well, if you don't believe it's happening to you.

Speaker 6 1:38:57
And they I would I figure if they were watching me in the train station. They thought I looked pretty nice. Yes. Yeah, I would have you know, I would. Yeah, but that was a close win. So, you know, carrying money? I don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:39:12
In some countries. It's one thing to have a train seat reserved. And another thing to be able to use it. Yeah, Italy

Unknown Speaker 1:39:19
was one of the countries if I recall, is that

Speaker 6 1:39:23
well, I was always fussing with and I did quite a bit of train travel there on my own. And sometimes I needed to seat and other times I didn't. And then after I spent a week with friends in Tuscany, then I was going back to London. I was coming home from London, so I thought it would be really nice to take the train and go through the channel. Yeah. And so I I was taking a train from Milan, which will actually from QC up to Milan from Milan to Paris, from Paris to London. So So I've got myself up to Milan, which is wonderful. I'm here new boy. And it was a night train, it was all night. So I got there, and I was watching the board to see when this train would come in and was obviously there early. I did everything like that there. And what train was canceled. And they were having those, those big demonstrations in Paris at the time of big strike. And so nothing was going to Paris. So, here I was, it was my birthday. I was sitting in the train station in the middle of the night. And it was it was just there was hardly anybody there just a few of us sort of travelers who were not knowing what to do next.

Unknown Speaker 1:40:47
So what did you do next?

Speaker 6 1:40:48
I I took a bus out to the airport, and I bought a ticket to London. And now it worked out. I was only there for about half an hour and a flight left and I was on it and

Unknown Speaker 1:41:02
speed spin train station was

Speaker 6 1:41:05
expensive. And I sort of lost out what I already paid for the train. But it was worth it. I was too stressed out at that point.

Unknown Speaker 1:41:14
Yeah. Good.

Unknown Speaker 1:41:17
Well, look at that weather moving in.

Unknown Speaker 1:41:18
I know.

Speaker 2 1:41:21
There was a there was a big ugly cloud around when I came in but it was seemed to me was at the other side. Maybe it's moved over there.

Unknown Speaker 1:41:30
Was in the comics going around with the cloud or

Unknown Speaker 1:41:34
Ladner was a comic strip.

Unknown Speaker 1:41:36
Okay, job let's stick with a lot of continents. Yeah, there are people make that sometimes they make their own cloud like that or hit the road. I gotta get one. But that was fun. I enjoyed

Unknown Speaker 1:42:01
both so

Speaker 7 1:42:02
frank, can I get a copy of that on a disk or USB or whatever you

Unknown Speaker 1:42:06
want us? Yeah. Okay. Any

Unknown Speaker 1:42:07
that was great. Yep. We should do some editing personal. To be edited very much. So much. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 1:42:17
it was great. I can't believe you did all over the news. It's a

Unknown Speaker 1:42:23
lot of other people didn't agree with everything. Yeah,

Speaker 10 1:42:27
yeah, yeah, but your story is probably as full as yours. And you'll get a lot not too many people on it turns out okay. Thank you.