188_Irene_Griffin.mp3

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11.03.2023

no

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marry the right

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one married veal

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on the river

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and therefore they got to live on Saltspring because the land that we live themselves

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was in the land

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the big

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fight

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the other two systems of

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Samsung live on the north end

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of Saltspring Island and they were given land by the Indians

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and the racist that racist island because

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Georgia

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races

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to George rice because he had married some feels that How come all this land was given to

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families that was Indian land

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otherwise

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I know because my dad used to take

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time out

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to visit the sisters

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who should talk to you right

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now even my dad even my grandfather

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was on read Island

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was allowed grandfather was allowed to stay

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on the farm my grandmother was

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from seashells

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and the Indians

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love these things happen because of the Indian women marrying these white men

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find that

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they didn't grow up and told me to

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look for somebody look for a family research the Indian men don't research that

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well you have to have somebody to read those Indian names and you can tell exactly when

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you understand that? Yes yes.

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So therefore you have to

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you know Indian being

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little

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and then you have to research

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research

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but my grandfather

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George

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and when you find these

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it's important unless it's you know, private information in

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the land liens on all the land

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they had a place to go shoot ducks they had a place to dry fish every Portland community really that's

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quite a bit of the beaches

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they went to camp there does

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tend to do that for the whole side for five days

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the whole country was there

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this ownership were certain areas restricted to certain families

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Yeah.

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You talk a bit about that from

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Tom's family. Yeah, yeah well

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she would come all these parcels of land where you walk appeal stay

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in the Samsung booth Samsung brands

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should we charge

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he'd be a bit chilly where he is.

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And that was given to them by like see there is only one boy in

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Milan was always left to the male.

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He was allowed to give these precious land

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pieces of land his land

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on Saltspring Island sounds

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interesting. Do you remember the Indian names of those women? Of course this meal but I have it son here somewhere. But the guy he wants to talk to Rocky Samsung. We know rocky he's the all the names

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of course.

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Just

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it's very interesting

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so do you recall any place names on Saltspring

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Oh, I'm not nothing to names. The profit was normal

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another place was Walker's reverencing

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I know that for a fact because when I was about eight years old my dad went to walk

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and there was two guys they had

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their lambda school when

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my dad was put the book on the beach, take that brochure and you

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were all invited to the house.

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And the little fella on the Hill in a cabin that can go look there you find the cabin

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and they call him

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what they must

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then cheer me up.

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But these two brothers went up and paid him $15 a year to stay on this wall

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and against him on $1 bills per watch.

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He was let them stay there for $15 a year.

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He always thought

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that was an inch bubble over that I told him find up on the hill

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patients they are the farmers there was

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a little cabin with

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men

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he had made

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it relate to

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you know Vandy makes Yes Do you think he was a tenant there because snows the heat all

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the guys that

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was leasing it for $15

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So that'd be quite a waste how long ago that

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been here a long time and all this information as to

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you're still here oh yeah that image still here but

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because he's one of the guys are so good on camera on the beach

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get him a night together and he'd know being named

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becomes

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Jimmy Ryan

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he could talk

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we've heard of this name this Ryan so he lived on Saltspring

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and what was his connection to the native people? I don't really know

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so quite a few of you maybe research in history most of the white

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pieces of

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Indian men

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but most of Saltspring is in your land.

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Even the job where the jobs discoveries in this end they were missing but I don't know the name

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of the child that says Henry would know Yeah, that's what you're talking about with canal area know that

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there would

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be a sea bass there they were jabs at

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Oh yeah, it was all taken in the war.

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Yeah.

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They said the castle

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you say the Indians? Well, I mean, they obviously have.

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So who would have gone to Saltspring native groups.

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communities? I think

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he was showing you'd have to ask Henry.

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He lived in Connecticut. But most of the news and analysis were from

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somewhere else

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but the parents

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stole a country

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I think semesters

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the old guy

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loves them

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two needs to

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come out to people

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like us people, you know, through marriage and that connected all over the place. Oh, yeah.

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Like you said

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your ancestor was a C sharp woman. Clap them out. Yeah, who would have been here she's living off cheaper Island

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outside of the seashell there, but she was an Indian. Therefore, that's how grandpa Landsman

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analysis

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chumminess country you see that in the map there in

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two minutes computation quite a bit yeah

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so the nature of this land you know, like the land that Tommy had gave to his sisters

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How would this be recognized by other native people? We all know about it we all know one another because I told him see the races didn't know they were related to the

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Samsung

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neither one of them knew who was related

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I had a past

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this was those sisters you were talking Yeah, yeah. Interesting.

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But they were also carefully all the people like Vicky deal one of the go to range girls my dad said no, no, he knew we didn't know

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Vicki one but one of the boys went on the race.

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My Dad No

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that was it. So no,

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he knew that because

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we restricted that

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we have

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Did you get

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a far like on the history? Oh, quite a bit of stuff.

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There's so many different ways while you're trying to do it now. So well occupied by white settlers and stuff like that.

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It's to educate those white settlers just about the past when

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we were doing work in the archives, archives

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history in the archives

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and I think once people know about it, they'll think differently about the place now I mean, this is what I think because most people on Saltspring think you know Celltrion just started 150 years ago, Bonito.

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Maori from New Zealand.

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I connect Delta UE I'm a member of nightowl who which is a big tribe down there.

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I've never met a Maori now funny thing I heard about was in chief

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we taught him

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to fly from your country. Well, my dad immigrated here in the 50s but my mom's side my mum's from Vancouver and her parents. They were Norwegian and English remove their need Canadians

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go back in Vancouver history anyway.

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So my native side is from New Zealand

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I was there two years ago

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and to me it's fascinating because the history of the peoples are so similar

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what happened to Native people here what happened to the mall? Very similar. I see on a news there was this day we have a selling the land. You know what happens? Why don't they stop selling the land

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and land the selling?

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Sure, you know, there's just like somebody coming here and saying okay, I'm going to Sony alone. You lost my alarm, why not sell it.

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So nobody thinks that that they should stop

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selling the land to all this land is finished.

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And then go from there.

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This would be the easiest.

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Either pro Henry Aboriginal looking for a house. nastily Jimmy was one

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At 85 years old, I thought you

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try to get him to build a little house on

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Oh, they have no money. The lawyers the poor guy. He was living my nieces.

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And they're supposed to look after the elders

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to who's looking after them

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well, I know I know. I know he was involved in trying to get that property on the south end of Cooper Island return

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Yeah, a bay it's called lammeter. Meltzer.

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Well, he knows that Hemi Eddie's

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family goes back to the first visit of Vancouver Island.

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His grandfather had the first feature is on Cuba. And I don't care hotels, it differences that's the way it was.

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And then they move on to the analysis

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and the all around

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but he was the first

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rock

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star Samson as

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I told Rocky,

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switch research at rocket will find that to the average family

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member right, I tell him that you should achieve

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the multibillion

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dollar that's all private land now. They're trying to get it back.

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Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, I talked to Henry about that big 100 acres there. It was confiscated after the I don't know if you heard it, you know, knew about the incident that happened there. gunboat attack village way back. Then after that, they wouldn't allow any nice Indian people to live there when they started coming back. But the main part of that land is still privately held.

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I know they're trying to get it I mean, that's where Henry should live.

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Oh, yeah.

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We can very

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loosely saying with a tremendous bay there. Well, he's been when money

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moved up. Nikki

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has the house.

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Yeah.

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Nice to see.

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This a man like that he knows so much about people's history.

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And you should talk to him because he can tell you.

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Most of

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most young people like Bobby, who's another generation,

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and lots of times when they were playing around not listening.

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Did you just before we started you were telling me about how your grandfather used to teach you could you repeat that? That's true.

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What? You said something about

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your grandfather, making sure like how he taught you? Oh, that's obviously active. 108 years old. We all calm him down.

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And he would tell me a story. He would tell me information. Then a month later he'd asked me and I had to repeat it. Word for word.

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If I missed one word,

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we know the month

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especially healthy choices should be fun.

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And then

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one day

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you have to see happens we tell those four families

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so that

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they didn't even know they were related.

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So anyway, they found out something I can't figure that out. But status

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status. Money went down from my status. I wasn't going to get it because you're

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Indian people that need homes and needs stoves and

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like take it from

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me. No.

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I am like my grandfather.

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My Dad

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No, no. Why did you just give me nothing? Well, we give up our our

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our natural status for this Indian status.

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We don't have a right to fame.

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I don't think that's right. No, and this is a big difference between Canada and New Zealand.

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In New Zealand, the tribe decides who the member is. And it's all done through genealogy. Oh,

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So, like that's I'm a full fledged member and I tahu all the rights privileges. Yeah. Are you

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lonely? Yeah.

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No, not full blooded. You see, that's the difference in New Zealand. They don't pay attention to the blood quotient. It's your knowledge of the culture and your your your descent. Like I buy blood, I'm one eight Maori, but

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by my focus off the Marini genealogy, full fledged member because my ancestors certain lands, grandmother and like, my father, you know, they all participated in the culture. He had our fishing and hunting grounds that we went to and he also culture that why does

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the history of

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Salisbury

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they see the good parts, I was telling him to go through to one of your meetings and tell them leave it alone. Because once you make the plan, you can.

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You can, you can steam your comms, you know, the union's they go on, they dig a big hole in the ground. And they put a bunch of rocks in there. And they build a fire on it.

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And then they go and take their plants,

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the private rooms

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they take the washer clams and dump them on the hot drops and then

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bam, steam off. And they put them on sticks perspective fire.

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So no, that's what they do on

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the template there. They

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stay right there.

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Right across, I think from the moment store long Harbor, there's a long Harbor. And unless that's released to camp, as we

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found,

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really, and they would do this, not they make a profit.

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Able to hunt

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they won't be able to start a fire won't even be able to cancel it.

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So why is

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it? Yeah, it does come up. But you know, they they don't consult, you know, they just don't let the native people know what they're doing. And of course, you know, the native bands are all divided. The government, then Council, they're looking after their own interests.

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Don't always doesn't always include the interest of all the people who see that. That's not the traditional government. It wasn't in the Maori culture and it isn't in the Indian culture. Traditional government was participatory. Everybody had a say, everybody was included. It's not the way anymore. See they've done yeah.

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Well, that's I mean, the sugar

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my grandfather's

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my adopted father, we're talking about two people I was talking about. I was Jack the author in college everybody underneath this adopted grandfather was something that my dad and the families were told to manage and they cancer and dry the fish fish efficient rather fish. No, that's should be taken into consideration.

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And another place to go to to my to them parents were down to the point

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they left

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and we call them babysitting on that one the woman would volunteer to

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lameness

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in the trunk of the gown

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the people from all over the place saw me and dumped out their shoes

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so they had to find a nursing mother. So they found my grandmother's sister other schemes Mrs. George and they flipped mum

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and my mother

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that's why I haven't found

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so you find out and then another face on this end of Eliana

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James has

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been a little Chef Oh long the point

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when the salmon came in the dog

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do the fishing

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that's all they make parks. Women don't really have a lot of plans

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to even make it

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so that's interesting. You told me about going to sock stream when you were younger. Could you describe that maybe more? Well

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there's a demo at Star was

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on that side there was a long standing

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them they're really loud.

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But then we will have temps on speech.

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In which to the for the tight

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Okay

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I'm here with summertime okay was the low daytime

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so that's long harbor so not Ganges harbor but the next one over

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Oh

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festivals okay and long

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and there's another Harbor on this in the

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southwest

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booth canal

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we call it China's

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heard of that name as for the news

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perch fishing and catch their fish in that harvest

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for

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YZ with the cats

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to eat notice okay booth canal you've heard of that name China's yeah

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that's the proper pronunciation

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I

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can help you find

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a white sheet of paper up here in the shelf

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shelf over here

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this whole bunch of pieces of paper together

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not in here

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let me see that angle

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it's a bunch of

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papers

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tape put together there was stapled

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it looks familiar movie theater stuff I took a course with her

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yeah yeah

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yeah it's very good. Very good. She was an excellent teacher. She did her life a lot doing well yeah

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so we I've heard this name for gadgets because she asked Does that ring a bell or

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again jeans yeah

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it's in here

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Yeah, it's further up.

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Here we are

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no one knows.

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It's the I've heard it's such an old name people have forgotten the meaning.

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Yeah, that he was

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there, this all means something, you

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know, this way our Facebook queries, Facebook,

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Facebook

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that name doesn't conjure up anything.

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So when you kept on getting there, there's we actually go as bancha I used to go

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to St. Mary's Lee. Chunks of salt. Right, really. And we begin suss out and then we had to go home and

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that's cool. So you can use that. There's a lot of places that

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like when we used to go picking blackberries, we never took a tub or a buffet or anything

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when you

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really only had one.

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I don't know if anybody knows her.

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And then she makes us best basketball five to 10 minutes. And we all have a bat and make us one patient for their athletes and

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their sheets of leaves and the bottle.

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We never took anything. We took G admitted sugar which applied because

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we

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had all I told that we don't take we don't get into buckets and Canterbury's running and all this right.

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So this Where were you living in this time? Read okay.

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I guess that's when those big houses are still on the behalf.

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Not the Sheetla No, I haven't. I've been to naming ceremonies. And not just

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like to

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on Saltspring Oh, do you? Yeah, Walker's book. For heaven's sake.

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That's that's the piece I'm telling you about the Vandy lift on the Hill Yeah, I know it's very interesting I'm trying to visualize where you know listen to me now okay down here at the head of tremendous speed down here with a meal is I used to tell anybody that the Indian lands right

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but one day sister St Joseph went down there and she suppose on there and find the cedar stumps and

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one of the brothers went film with them and they found a studio stump you start chopping them down and

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that's funny. So walk around with

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chopped up the southern

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he pasted off a building

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and it was a big house. And then we start I shoot that sister when they give me these wooden bowls

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and stuff like that.

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I should have found them down

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to where the middle is. Always cropped at play here. Intravenous

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Oh, right here. That's the old Indian if that please let Shannon nuts. Yeah. Yeah, that's

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the last one. Michelle she had those cabinets.

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And a large

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extra large family.

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Did Mary rice look down there?

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Yeah, let's see. Oh, yeah. So anyway.

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Anyway,

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they found all this stuff and I let it

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you know,

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just to prove there was a big I used to tell anybody my dad told me it was a big house down there. Mill is here and the build up.

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And there was a big holster and remember

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they lived on Yeah, so we're exactly what that big house be. Could you pinpoint it today? Oh, I guess it'd be about maybe

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I guess

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I guess it's kind of under the

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bigger No, I'm not on the Emile Emile is here in the Bay runs of

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everybody

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but I wish

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that's okay

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yeah, he was one of the ones or the

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SP which he

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told her no we thought him

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okay, where would it be

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like we have to go up in here Yeah. Here somewhere I'm not sure where our friend did ever know.

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He lived there when they first he was six years old

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to get out have a look around their

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pizza table

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I'm gonna go down there one day

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as long as it's in there

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somewhere near that smooth but I'm not sure where

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are you in that thing fish the fish farm day or? No, I know where it is. But I'm just down the road from it. I can actually see why

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that's the most frustrating thing ever want to see that? Yeah. Especially when seeking burials

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he was telling us about it's pretty

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disrespectful

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trying to get some information through the freshman Junior

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fellow My name is

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the nickname since he was Yeah, yeah.

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So So you did used to go to St. Mary's like to the salts right there. Yeah, I would take the sled on the beach there and go up to walk down and get the chance to start shopping and use it for whatever

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interesting

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because you ever collect like rushes and materials around St. Mary's Granny's to

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make all kinds of baskets. I was telling them I really love picking apples. We never took buckets and tubs and cans, gun and nicotine to branch

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and if we pick very cheap leaves on the bottom

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what would you use for the branches

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whatever a

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leader

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know anything

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Saints

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were so resourceful because they knew like never placed on this end

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we forgot our flour and gasket goes up and

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down grind develop rich flour. Really

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true

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turn it wasn't the cameras I don't want

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the lovely thinking even cheetahs on cheap running

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wild rice wherever we went we had something there

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so this grant you're talking about this lady off again

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towards they were Trump analogous

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most of Salisbury you know that across a load store Ira there's a big long beach they're

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camping

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I don't know if there's a little island

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but there's a lot to go on at that level because it helps make the silver heads who in New Zealand and stuff like that

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live alone I think that's

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otherwise as I was telling him or anyone on this end of the island

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what's new in that he said it was canal

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that canal you

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right across from Croft and

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sort of goes in almost again yeah

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they

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I forget many names John has

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been away from the vision for nine years

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yeah

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no, there's another day up further somewhere in there oh

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boy up there. Oh, there's a deep bay there abducting

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that's another island that's him you know that I love that little island understand? Yeah.

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That's a burial Island. I've heard Yeah. And there was a little shack that I guess the caretaker used to stay

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really on there and if you go there you'll find the women

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rather than

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Kevin there it was just a little sort of moving to Chef

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he'd stay there for a while because we had to take I guess those grades were there in undergrad as time I guess so. Yeah.

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They find many grades

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13

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That's why you know

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and they figured it could be 1000 there

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yeah loves to me Tom. He owns quite a bit of cell stream because he had the four sisters Negev land vehicle

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I don't know where to stand

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it's a blessing

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because the reason they were given this land because of robbing us and they gave

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only

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his land to his sisters

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he had the Indian name careful on that.

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Who should be collapsible called collapse and okay.

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Yeah, I've heard that. And his father. There's a first new man first named and deliver mail today. He didn't

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deserve it was tricky Tommy did too.

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The tide went down.

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A whole bunch of muscle

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memory

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crunch crunch crunch.

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Shoulder

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apparently

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the boots are handy for making

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but mostly faces. That means can't.

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Like my grandfather, Jimmy George will go camping and he dig a big hole

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and we take them for

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help.

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So

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let's make

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them those that we shared

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a lot here it was founders to this whole sometimes

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they get trapped in the title

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people clamoring and efficient at the same time

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there is fish traps over there who didn't have to know because they got all

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and then on Connecticut where the

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tides are low had to

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walk around there and get cabs and founders

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rich area

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the most nice place in the evenings took what they wanted but they didn't know

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next you know I just met him again

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he's 101 guy last year for everybody or getting

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everybody will get some gentlemen

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I think

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we went down to Cuba and Canalis at lunch. We could go with our windows open our doors open to the beach in the clouds. Nobody was touching things.

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And Michelle was clean the

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dirt roads there. The

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Salvi was just like this highway out here

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and all goes to big branches we've actually

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seen people

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picked up some bad habits

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the rest of

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them

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couldn't eat

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so

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well I taught him how to make bread. Yeah, pretty good. Oh yeah.

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So what do you think about when you think about salt spray? I mean I know salt spray was kind of you know, there's no reserved there except for small sand. There was no reserve there but the Indians own land there and most of them had cabins and they use it for 10 years do you remember seeing those cabins in tents? Oh yeah. Like we're about to receive 123

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They weren't having to

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like lean

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to safety depends on how many you didn't mean very pleased for a family for sleep

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I was telling a friend of mine about that.

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It was Salt Spring Island

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and I told him about it you go down you'll find a fireplace

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the fireplace where was that? Custom Oh

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oh

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oh

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I wonder what is it?

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I guess so. It's the head of the harbor it costs us

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yeah

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on the other side

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it's Easter Churchill beach find these things

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yeah

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we don't

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wander there's there's a sandy sort of spit he goes south from Ganges like on the same site like most stores here. And if you continue like South there's a big beach but it's not the one on the other side of the heart of a classroom.

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So when you went there was a young person you'd have to look around for these

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fireplaces I know them but

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found all the rocks

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we built his was square I don't know why.

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But anyway, that should be still there.

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And all these places that you're looking for look around

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and find these things

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like the edge find a fireplace outside

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the rocks all around.

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You had

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never had stones inside in my van eventually going to stall for so

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long.

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You understand?

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She turns

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around to me What did she say?

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She was smarter

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because right

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where you are again there'll be people from all over there like

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other people because they all have tasers low in the face and

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everything

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they've made some claims

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were yes yeah

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and also Auggie told us an interesting thing I never really thought about make sense you have to keep working at clan beats or appears

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to speak about that a bit or oh yeah you'd have

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to turn the color

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yeah the black

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where we

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are on an island called

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butterfly

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hill

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we will pick the things that they should eat now we know the eight little muscles around TV

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and we look down like that where it goes through and

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after a while I've just

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eaten

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really children but you can't tell anybody that because of this

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so native people didn't even know

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every winter

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you hear on the radio

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and they feel

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yeah they feel a lot

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fuller

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stuff

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you couldn't see the bottom of

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the bathtub overnight

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the bias of people who see them as

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being in people

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may only only trends at a certain time

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May June and July

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the second time of the year they won't

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fund you they know how to they know how to use the land

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the white people

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I mean that nothing is white people but somebody

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that can eat everything out there destroy all the things that are keeping you safe and clean for us. What's going on?

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Like you said they only knew they don't

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need them. I've only been here like 150 years it's nothing that's why I started

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I want to go through so bad my dad

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said out loud

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but don't allow

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these muscles all around the

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waters

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just those little muscles. Yeah.

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Let's see does it take those boundaries to

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make those kind of things your fingernails

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legs and sell them

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for some news bags and bags.

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Are people willing to do that?

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So the big differences you know between the native peoples in your period of 1000s of years, learned all this stuff. The newcomers don't know any they just want to quit

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Fuck yeah we never use if you tell them anything like the CPA exam we need to meet these urges I read that

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and there's two spots and each one are Mabel she was filthy. I used to my small

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kids five two respond to each one. And she said well now I will speak English

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and she went up for sure enough she slept for hours.

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So a lot of things that people use

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over

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the years it was always

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like, we had to go to Cannes for Baylor's bailing the boat

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they would go to the cedar tree and make

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beer

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I've got one at home do perfect just for ya scoop fits the pier with the boat

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and never face the Miss

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Galliano as they call it college she

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used to go and get washed

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cranberries are really in the north No no no.

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And not

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five miles Oh yeah, there's a lake in there. You know where the story Benefield yep

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Linda the

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cranberry cranberries

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many of these islands

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I mean, I've

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been the younger generation wants to build big clouds they can start a fire and

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cook a pot of clams you know because there's no fires allegedly any fire there which is crazy

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to me, I don't like it. You know I like to go camping and I like to play and I know how to relate to property if you can go back through history there was never one thing in US buyers that

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knew how to make a fire

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small fire I don't know how to build some big giant thing that's gonna burn the forest down

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and they didn't cancel

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because if we went anywhere we didn't have

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such SAS

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something nice to

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do

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and they never over hunted

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it takes us

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even with the fish they took

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I guess they used to hunt deer on Saltspring oh yeah

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it is the retreats and like pets coming up our driveway

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came up

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we just

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on Saltspring island

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so in the north

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oh I picked this up ages ago I don't know where

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but this this actually shows your old

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yeah like more of your old country like reed islands here. Now look at

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more way

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that's a long day your time you may call it I don't either. I don't know that's retreat

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for chiefs down here okay. It says that one was this one but I think it was a brilliant here what's

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yours Walker sickening. He would tell you about this gentleman like here's the big beach. Okay, I'm here right here the hill right there. Yeah.

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And if you fight what do you call a name?

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In Your name is Caitlin.

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Okay. Now, you can research the Indian name.

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Which searching you name you get somebody to tell you what that

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mean you find out that oh man oh that face really worries oh here it says this fix right here all right he had a cabin right up so he was in the bay yeah he's a great done this last year was he a white man in Indian and Indian guy? Yes. Oh these people that had the farm here used to leech off him for $15 a year because I was there when they paid him 15 $1 bills

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I was there with my dad when

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with these two brothers

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we made the witness to pay him

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$1 That time trusted he lived he had to heal now he's about to finish yet there are so many houses out there now houses

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all built up that's where I live I live just still be here right across from the end of the close where he was

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Vandy lead guy

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I think there's

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definitely a new research that engineers new research engineers up face and you'll find that that guy there he owned it because the brothers that are this big farm here

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they used to lease off those would be the Caldwells that's the

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only two yeah it'd be them Henry to call my brother.

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Oh, that's very interesting. So you live there yeah

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yeah, there's a lot of big houses up here there's a big hill here just like you said. Yeah. And there's houses all over it

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was the only one they were not patient that really the big beach is way out here. He had Bandy legs Yeah.

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You remember the tax on that beach

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because he

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when they came there was no shafts and they had

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only make a bench wrench lean to

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extend the company to have to

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make it Yeah. And here this is where we're talking earlier about the other sisters is what the Samson's at their place. Yeah. Tell me about

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the neon the Samson's place

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quite a bit

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and that Jeff campus in here so where's the chap Canberra

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Stanford

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is this yeah there's a little island

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here okay.

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This was where the jet farm was there Okay, that should be in there to see some nice

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little Annapolis Netflix

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team guide also space okay Tommy telethia where maybe the guys from

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he's alright off that where it drops off right there was a Jake

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lingkod about this long so deep it is a

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well

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no, I guess it isn't blue so the reason yeah, I know that I know the cash is gonna

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go in

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like we had a Jeff can

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speak to the jabs couldn't speak Japanese understand. So they have to have this

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tongue scale effect for the capsule

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so he he dealt with the Japanese and as far as they were concerned, this was in the land all right. Yeah. So they didn't deal with a white man

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$15 A year sounds good to them $25 Wow. So how would that happen? I mean, they would just show up Could you explain that leasing process going and they find this place and they

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tell me they will find

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so much lease

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for whole year and every year

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because what you're saying is very interesting because that never gets in the history books. That part yeah. And you see what you're telling us is what happened on the ground? Yeah look at the Henry was telling us about races over here leasing that land

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just in yellow

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when they died, went back to the union. No, it didn't die he just gave us gave us a nice and

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interesting see that's how I got

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taken over by

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that's really interest

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State because

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they obviously didn't deal with this because most days the natives controlled everything Oh yeah set up a cabinet to beat certain federal aid some guys showed up I

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don't know about this fishing ability another example

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another scene boats I was told that

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my dad was the same boat captain Henry the soldiers

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when they would go up north they'd anchor in the Bay

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Shore enough to cheat if they could send

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Jesus

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My dad told me that time and time again that when they would totally like

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to cheat

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sometimes he knows

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nobody knows that where's that

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tone again? Geez yes oh yeah they here they here right here and right there. Oh really? Right in here right across all all this year you look they're trying to find this there's all kinds of messing around here show you see where the Indian people camp yeah and so which Island has the snakes tiny when

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there's a little bit here

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that little one like the way but the only trees on me is really small when no one had trees

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they have little silver heads

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remember in any name for those things

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so that's something you can put in because my dad been fishing

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down and up north

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he would go to the chief of the tribe and asked if he was allowed to fish

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okay and he said

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all along racial hero up

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on the boat

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no people don't know that. That's that's the old way. I mean, people knew that the land was owned by somebody Yeah. So do you think that happened down here as well? Oh yeah. See all these places that was leased out I was telling him all these patients had received in the people lived there for years as well

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all in the

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same way

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tell me

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not not at

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all that we can wait

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permission to live there and holding the boundary line over

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and over Nobody said

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on the phone

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that Mondrian and mark on my car

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when he

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when he talked with a friend of ours

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claiming land

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I don't because there's houses on this land.

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Use land farms and stuff.

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But what you do is you take the price of the house

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and it's a $20,000 what they call

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the 20,000.

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But what happens if they claim that land again?

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They say they can take a deposition

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that's a big problem for the native people here is that there isn't a lot of

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Crown land. Non private land

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but it's all owned by them. I mean whole Yes. But it also the crazy family who just throw this out there like

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they've been spending all this money on the treaty process. Why the heck are they just taking their money buying land with lives and spending millions

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of their own land? I mean, yeah. I mean

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it's just good. Lawyers. They're getting money.

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You

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mentioned Brian Campbell

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no no he's

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an anchor

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$100 An hour he's

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getting nothing out of it

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it's terrible. There was a meeting a few years ago where and elders did that hey would you like a cup of coffee or tea

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to make it most of the land sorry most of the land on those taken was leased by non native people and then they lived there for years and years and years and

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because they cleaned it through the white man system

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I don't know anything about it like the only did their baby

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lands claiming

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this is how maybe your great granddad got his land like Barb's descended from when Eden settlers who married a couch and Lady them alone the culture

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oh

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I don't know how

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to download the kidney

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that's a good idea. Because we've been trying to find there in the names. There were like three sisters Again, very similar to what you're telling. Yeah, but they were from helmets. Oh, yeah. And there was a cochlea? A silly name we know the cochlea? Yeah.

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And then these two other ladies who were her ancestors we don't know their names

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Yes, you've done a door just want to know we knew her brothers

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maybe that guy was

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Indian and we haven't been enabled. I don't know what offense Ron George carries

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with it

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oh, that's the one you can retake

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Do you know anything of the Indian archives in Victoria? Yeah. A little bit. They have we used to have a

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Nanaimo

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and I went up there looking for some buddy

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when she flipped this book over

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she said hey

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no you're right thing I should know about myself.

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So she heard on the news

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and she had all the old Indian names in this book. And the

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really found their archives in Victoria summer it's a black book who has all the rights from long ago

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I talked to Rocky Sampson about and he told me that a lot of

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archival material was shipped to

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Ottawa

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that's very interesting. I looked that up. Because I saw all kinds of names in there that I recognized.

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Like they even saw him yesterday. He was by steam

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my mother's seamless we all

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so Henry, Eddie, that's me ever. So what's his name again? Steve. Do you mind

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Oh, yeah, I've got mine

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other words

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how do you turn the sun

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so low tech guy here? Well, that's

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not up technology

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like bank was Granny's first boy.

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His name was

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his name.

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His

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uncle.

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First

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of that family

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name

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was named after

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father.

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The second

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was named after NAFTA Granny's.

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That Indian name tells you where that name comes from.

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Who is named after and where he, where he comes from, but he's named after his family.

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Do you understand that? Sorry, can you repeat that please?

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Okay, if I had two sons now,

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their oldest son would be named after him you name after Iris father.

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A second son would be named after my Indian name for my father

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to join the

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family. So right now, you will search the Indian name you don't research the white name.

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Because when

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that happened, even though we were I was having Tony

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my cousins were

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Dell or Jack

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and Gloria was glory Domingo, their father's name because there's so many there on the island. There's so many families and for a long time I called my cousin bar Mrs. Jack

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because they had a brother Joe and brother Jim and father Domingo. And I didn't realize how stupid so that's how they got these funny names.

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Like Henry Eddie, Simon Andy,

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and all of them

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Simon son

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Joe Simon.

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And they took the Father's name to distinguish the families do understand they didn't use the last thing that's how they got these names.

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Which makes it confusing. Not really what it means for the English if you if you're just trying to like you were telling me if you told me that English names you know

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like Familia and all of my cousins their last name

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like my husband Jeff Kinser.

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Even his wife Mrs. Dad

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said that's because so many there's so many

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cousin Joe's wife whose job

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unless they had any kids learning less

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here's

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my brother Bobby continued and he

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told me

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Jackie was Jackie Jax

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isn't there

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no the Indian names me really?

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The whole essence of

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the key to it all.

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Yeah, those are the ones in your name.

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What's your name?

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Scope quality. We feel Squirrel.

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Squirrel squirrel gotta have like a mouse or multiple earrings

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that's the only way anybody can have you. phenom says again

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to hawk Korea to help we

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know that she was a cousin, a cousin or a sister. Oh, these two are my great grandma. This one Suzanne Suzanne and

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Mary marry Theodore Twiggy, Twiggy

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Berry and you must all be the point them because one of the people live and we will point is the people that had land they're given to them by the people that own I would say so. Like yes, she would have ownerships Great Grandma yes through the couch and

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and all these people were from llamas

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and Mary and John Burgoyne

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wherever they live, they own that land. What's your name? My name Yeah, barber barber wherever these people live the land was given to them by whoever owned it

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to you

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now it's all a part like you know the park that was created on y'all sorry

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burgling bay that saw the old

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property that her ancestors had it's all the park now.

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I don't even know used to be a great clamp down there. I don't know.

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Do you own that land?

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Not kidding. No, because on the reason

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there is because you, your grandparents were given that piece of land by the Indians.

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They only gave like my grandfather, Porky Joe. He was given land on the kind of my grandmother was an Indian from seashells.

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They were allowed to stay on

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the family and it was never to be sold

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to be sold. But my open Domingo's family decided that they want

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Tell us

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So who won who would have given your grant grandma grandfather the land there allows him to stay who would love to be shared setting you name that today I give your your land

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we're trying to find account plan

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allows you might know

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to Henry comes here a lot to visitors yeah but right now he's doesn't

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have a home it'd be great if we could come here

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yeah we went to see him today actually no one was there to see his great grandson and he said he was offered the doctors wouldn't be back to me

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oh yeah

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they should be carving them in salary. Because the only

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way and they tell the story of the whole person's life story with the time she was born. There was one total

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Slurpee and obviously are on the reading and this little lady when she was 12 years old, she had a book and that was right on the totem pole

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it was I started being right up until the day she died when they shouldn't be sold me blue and selling

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a friend of mine wanted to give me a total

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but the car was only carved me a bear

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because

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there was nothing evil about

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Chicago or anything else he would he wouldn't do it

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too dangerous. Why was it too dangerous?

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Because whatever is in that totem pole

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so you when you drive through Duncan and sailors totem poles what I call the guests

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because they got them all up there and

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the only good totem pole is in there is

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Rick Hansen, my nephew Corky Baines curve that

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that tells him that should tell you the story of redemption. From the time he was a little kid until the time he got into that. But

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that's interest that's the only poll I like the only other poll I like him ducking is the Maori poll

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that they had a Maori Carver come up here on an exchange

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oh

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oh yeah

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yeah, so he came up here and he thought you know he's been he'd been carbon some little bits in the ground as long as the Know Your carbon This

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is like the biggest thing he'd ever car because the New Zealand you know, the trees aren't as big as they used to be.

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There's only one Carver

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and then his, his family took over. Carving wasn't everybody carving. It was just now the car was all over the place. It does. Yeah. Getting back to that.

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You know, we were talking earlier about the house inelegant heifers in the old days, each house had its own kind of talents and specialties, the people that live there. Oh, yeah. Could you speak a bit about that? Or?

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Like when you mean 100? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they all had their own

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thing, as we call it today.

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And they have a hunter. Right now. My neck is Stevie Sylvester. He's a hunter.

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He goes out for deer and he'll divide that all amongst people.

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After seven, and he won't quit until he gets enough. Every family.

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They all they shared. They shared everything.

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There was some family big family there that didn't have enough food. The other people on reserve was going to give them

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we could still take it to them.

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Whatever they need, they will screw up. I know lots of times I was with Bernie and she this lady would come. They'd speak in Indian that she needs to

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burn a

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cup of tea or whatever she wants to leave. Or sugar or whatever she needed. They were like that they're really generous people who may help each other. But now I don't know if they do or not. Which dz I know he's 100 Over there. My husband just bought into the shelves on these shelves. So who does he have for the future? Which one? Okay.

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But they are so generous. They just like you know the Chiefs nowadays they don't look after the people. I guess.

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My uncle Mike under was his chief who don't

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say

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they were at the house we're having a separate enough came on the door. This lady was at the door crying was late at night.

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I had

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on for Mike he was a chief he got his coat is happening when else

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already store give her basket and she went all the way around the basket.

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roadie same thing give it to the band office and she went home happy he do that maybe 1020 times a day and help the people criticize the chief today you can find the client to analyze a meeting or in a meeting or something like poro Henry no he's got no home there's no chief to help

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there's nothing else

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was a time we were there and ready need warm clothes for winter and blankets.

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Mike goes down again. He opens up the stores and gets whatever she wants they didn't need I guess he knew all the store managers

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made sure they had everything

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that he does so that's my job sheet

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there's somebody coming up with a door they had no gas

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so money for cheese is sent over me you send out Ottawa every March it all depends on how many people in them

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I don't want to get no

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money for everything

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fancy homes rented cars

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underneath

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and I don't mind saying that because I know

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a lot of them are ripped off

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but I've heard that so many people a

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lot of people think the way you do yeah well one of the chief took means that he was the

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boy my cousin

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can really understand the bills and

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have an average day right he was

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nobody knows this has happened it

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wasn't like that in the old days. I mean what I understood it was ahead of every house was achieved

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and it worked together well they had they had achieved

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and apply the no central

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reserve there was a young boy

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seven eight years old

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his grandmother

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and his mother of all the place

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has changed

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so one day he went back to the pilot and they already came over to him Where do you get that? My grandmother gets here he was the chief of the tribe

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he didn't even know it due to this thing and

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she went to meet

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him he sure enough he did he stopped all of drinking the night homes

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remember where that was

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the North

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nowadays a pro I feel so sorry for Henry

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you know they should take reasonable they always say on TV oh we help they honor the elders or guidance

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that this elders told us

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and he knows so much like there's probably not many other people that would know as far about the history

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the last one there is I guess the last one that a

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lot of people

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know a lot about false being around because close to that

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told me more solid

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you recall your grandpa's checks

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no I don't

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where was he from tomatoes

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okay.

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So those people that those people must have used

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because of the proximity the hello I guess so yeah.

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Yeah the everyday needs in the

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base family

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for me that they went all the way down to East pointing.

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I used to tell anybody to take the phone down

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oh, there's no one element here

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they used to be you know, long Harbor on Saltspring the Indian name for that

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which is halibuts

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My name means

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saying he's playing

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tennis, they're

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probably on the end of 16

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girls

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with the 16,032nd

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element

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for fatherhood Yeah, really? Yeah heard of the name?

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Oh, you ain't a fisherman a Dad

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Okay, he showed me

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he taught me between the Florida they taught me properly

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What about he did a lot of cod fishing on Saltspring there was a there was a certain protocol about it wasn't there? My dad was the king of the club fishermen.

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Yesterday Bobby was

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coming

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we knew about their obviously the habits. Oh yeah. Because they knew there were certain fish a certain time that a certain time they wouldn't fish because they knew the cod was spawning. Yeah.

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Yeah. And leadline Yeah.

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Earlier in the morning

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working on the Sunday

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it'd be fine.

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My parents

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actually in the lead

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way that your dad is

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you know, he used that when we'd have turn up to something like that.

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Ha Come on.

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We thought he meant King of England.

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And that he was

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no granny had

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bills to me.

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We charge violence spilled down on our beach.

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And she smoked herring.

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Salmon, salmon, cod fish.

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Does it

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guys

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need a protein shake put the big fish down here and

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we have to pull him up on the

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block and tackle

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both hams and bacon

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when we had enough food there to last us forever if people

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don't read

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the reasons got a copy of the smoker journey and are on our way to Jeff County. There's eight Downey

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and then Gunnies to be really really pushy. On Monday she went over

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in the chute

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discussing the

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kid on soccer

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she came up the house we thought she was about 200 pounds

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Teddy

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it's my dad my dad is six feet tall

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and she just points my bat when Daddy got

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pregnant another day

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so what what's up

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guys it's Tony um

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you can have anything she wants. Danny

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everything

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a little bit.

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Flower case of time.

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She didn't find that this and everything else. I had to get this to their house and

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she got the whole

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covered I don't know how many times

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she said

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and

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the bank wants to do

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standard

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beta with

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us.

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to share your bad news.

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And then go in there and work on CAD the big guy

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outside the fireplace like he hadn't made you know she could

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she'd make bed outside of Titanic

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we had lots of fun

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yeah lingcod cool I got your mark you go there in the spring of the year

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but you get caught there and

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so the Japanese and the native people get along pretty well and

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they were really nice

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Do you have any pictures I'm

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not I mean islands

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I'd love to find a picture

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native people in Salt Lake climbing or something

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we're trying to find there's very little

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just to show some visual

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we're okay should be able to find

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photos in your computer and download coaching

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right never know what's

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going on in advance

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they'd like to be

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a couple of seconds or a couple of

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screens bring along whatever cool you're probably

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gonna look out for that now grad sales

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didn't like that

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don't stop the tremendous danger the beans and

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why they had a school

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couldn't go to school and they couldn't

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get it

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so my parents got together cool stuff like that we found in the classes and I've gotten what I really want to find the following

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because those are so rare I know I know nobody gives them up I've got a six foot fall it's all handled for

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us so you know you can fucking size like a dime a dozen but a falling sauce can't find my niece

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and she paid $35 My god I didn't cook tell me I got six

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hold on to the hidden the worst

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What do you want? Okay, I'm gonna artists that's painting what scenes paintings are the

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paint oh actually right on the saw yeah you know like I do scenery

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I remember

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trigger will have to come again I'll try to get

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the ownership Yeah. What it means according to my dad all this BC Coast when he go training he's lovely to learn.

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Can I say Sure? Sometimes yes. What's the family said yes.

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My dad would take one of the guys out from the village the chief let them fish is to give them a set of

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bands.

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He'd fish there for four days and make assess them and go on to the next place. And one time they went further up

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on the symbol which he was scared to go short and she took the big question I

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didn't know land Why did people ask you wires

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the two wires

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shut

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the lid

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No I got it like that. Let's go along. Yeah, because it's

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never been used for the great crowds.

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So even after pass down there when my dad would go down there.

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The senators from main island

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chicken some tea and sugar and flour and everything we talked about.

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We're going to stay here and

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every place he went fishing.

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Alright, right.

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So the minister had some say about the land otherwise people wouldn't ask. And also your granddad had knowledge of the local customs. Yeah and the proper way

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is

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the correct etiquette

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Could you explain that bit about the clan beach again? I didn't have

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my dad when

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he was gonna ask the people

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to be clowns

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and made ask them how much wanted

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selling b2b Selling

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they wouldn't allow that to overtake

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and he wouldn't

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that's substantial Henry they didn't own the land Why did my dad and other people have to ask them if they could fish to Clemson

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so they must have known they own the land

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now they forgot about

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Yeah, I see I had a guy that was just living up there behind me

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sending him off normally around the road he comes to

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nothing new and asks Can I

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so I own the land same as

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so we must own the cost here because my dad

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is up to par as a foreign official but

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he didn't go that far

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I know one time he went up to clowns at Sky

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and he asked people

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who liked him

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it should still do it

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now you know

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right off the front of our place

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this is pretty remote place you're talking about

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okay, that's way up there. Isla territory

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you know that we lived here for so long and people are picking

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up in the mountains

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nice came in the least I'll let

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my nephew went up there hunting and

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about six feet tall and

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he stepped on the

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run

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but we missed y'all this time and we didn't even think Lisa Milan yeah

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it's not your way they're so smart

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well there were more about the white man

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in the Middle East these struggles now coming on all these teams to some chili there and all the faces no trees that's why we can only show

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you guys how do you get over here? Do you catch a ferry?

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Or do you

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know we're going for

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Oh yeah.

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Well, I'll try to get a hold of Henry then it'd be the phone number. Yes we do. We could give you both their phone numbers.

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So can I get some personal information like where when you were born and born I read I was what year 1929

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You know

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tobacco keeps you going

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I met him

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No, no, no.

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Most most good standing up on campus. So where did you live on cue?

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Marian Jimmy George did you live in a big house on the beach? We live

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on the

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campus houses a big house.

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Yeah, it's like the big old style houses.

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At a big living room a big big kitchen.

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See bedrooms I think

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a big yard he had an apple orchard and a big garden and back. Again almost up to radar. So houses

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that was fun to live in. There was so much to do. You remember those big houses Saturday was started

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tomographic

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my dad but they made this big house and when the family got married

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and they live there another guy gets married a girl that does

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know

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what people do in that when you were

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A girl

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they use this big house I guess mostly

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when I first came here

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are three things

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like Jimmy Kimmel 10110 It's an elegant yeah

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it was part of all in a row they weren't touching but

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that's when I can

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even I remember one of those houses

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stood until about 83 flew down

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they built really

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before

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love to go there use a Sunday

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in May my uncle or my grandpa

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and the only people that Sylvester

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all the elders of the church would get to ring the bell

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just one nice place

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to think that's so many houses there no I guess

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it's yeah, it's amazing. It's all the houses pretty well from an elegant over

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very well. Thanks yeah

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yeah, they're going up all the time. They built a huge new school. Beautiful schools right in the middle between Connecticut and it's such a clean place like granite.

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Clean the fish.

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And then ramp it after she's been the fish. So maybe 2.5 hours after you go out. Please. crab trap don't get a bunch of

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fish which

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they never get anything that doesn't have something else in there.

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Yes, it was a clean place

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my Uncle Johnny, Grandpa Jack

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and his son Johnny August when they went in their house it was just like a picture of

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me beautiful home

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beautiful but when we got there with that

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luxury

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I have one son it was pretty awesome

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so do you have an Indian name

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Oh my My mom was wondering about

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the local name was

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that means mo remember that favorite?

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My Uncle Dave. Neighbor now I was interviewed on

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the spent years and years down there really for working for a local band for everybody. I was speaking to sea shells we all have different dialects, sea shells, and collagen all these different dialects

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falling down and he was interpreted for years.

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He had his

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we'd like to come again.