Malcolm Bond on the Bond Family
Life on Salt Spring from about 1910 to 1940.
|Accession Number||Interviewer||SSI Historical Society Address|
|Date||October 8, 2003||Location||Central Hall|
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We're starting to go through basically what the minimum was much more to talk about. And by the time we got through looking at 500 different photographs, it was it was quite a task, but we're gonna go through it quickly around the archives have a relatively complete selection of photographs,
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by pointing down their sleeves. And there's an awful lot of noise in here that we don't see. But anyway, the story starts at the term of mouth actually both back before the start of the 20th century. And we have to remember this was a different title, a different era. It was the absolute summit of the Victorian age. And Salzburg was very much a British enclave. Whether they were Scottish English descent, that was the way it was. And when the British landlord the world shuffled, the British lions sneeze in the world without the Pope, and basically, not reverberated. And of course for young Englishmen of these very large English families by settlement, the primogeniture the first step of family inherit the estate in England and the second son showed up often with money remittance, remittance, and my dad wasn't one of those but he came into contact with one of the largest that wasn't started results so we'll get on with it this is dim lights
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this is an early photograph of a man that we're talking about primarily Saltspring was a very different place in those days there's long harbor there's Ganges
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there's another view guarantees you're gonna see the world worth the more in store are not an apprentice. The new mold store wasn't built them I think I think that's the tall building hidden behind there. I haven't isn't it? Yeah, that's where the old Gabby's in was that was a store here it shows you from the front your store this was after they bought it from now from the purchase that would be about 19 Seven. Here we are at the bond hall so although it was still a fairly wild country much and civilized and settled and the trappings of European civilization are here
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that's better. The suit is made from not mistaken one could see more land cleared hidden behind there than there is now.
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Here's the Silvius Bay again. The steamer coming in probably the job faster than the distance Yeah. This one here. The other way up. This one the negative wasn't very good. That's the bond hill when you want the upper Ganges road from your house on that's near the top of that. hill there was fairly magnificent trees in those days along that stretch and there's another view of the same thing
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and the man walking down the road negative glass negatives
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this, let's turn it over that's fairly recognizable. This little clip out here is all rolled back coast. That's right above the Soviet spot. And you're looking out and do you see this bay and Boothbay beyond that would be, I'm gonna guess about 1910 and 1911. Again, this one. This one is a good one for you historians here to guess where it is? Yeah, no bridge. No, no, no, no, don't come. Right. It's not surprising the pump burned down three times. So Well, the story starts with this lady here. And a woman had a tough life. And many ways she had. This is Elizabeth and Nosworthy. My dad's mother, her. She was UNITED EMPIRE loyalists family. Brantford, Ontario. And she married originally a man named Bailey. And she was quite religious attending the Methodist church meeting one evening, came home from the house and claims that her two little children and husband were hurt. And
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so she went to work
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as a typing person in Toronto and met William bond from Manchester, England, there was a who was for many generations of Manchester people. And he was a joiner or patternmaker, sorry, a cabinet on the table side and have looked at the only piece of work that we have left. But if you look at the inlay on the lid of the box, you'll find that he did pretty fine work and William bond eventually got the Victoria had a grip that was commissioned to be made for Queen Victoria's great grandchild on a diamond jubilee. So he was well known as a first cabinetry, his father was joining. Anyway, they married and they came west. My dad was born in Tacoma, Washington, where they settled for a few years. This picture here. I think actually, this is the one we want. One of these is probably a little better than the other. This is taken out after they've moved to Victoria, which they did in 1897. My dad was born in 1894. And there's Jesse in the middle of the back. His brother Harold was born at 96 Sister Abilene Gordon at 99. And this is just after the death of her second husband who was killed in the street car accidents in Victoria and left her when. And I'm going to take that story because words from my dad, written by Lillian Hartsdale, in 1972. Now just read a little bit but 1906 The Jessie then a boy of 12 came to Saltspring Island. At that time, he was in the process of an orphanage in Victoria. It was mentioned Miss Hines has been a former housekeeper for Mr. Bullock. Keep in mind Mr. Bullock came to Salzburg in 1892. And the build up the fire and by by 1906 He was ready to take in the first of the orphans. And and she'd been a former housekeeper to Mr. Bullock, that venerable gentleman had requested that she returned as his housekeeper for three months during which time he planned to visit the old country. He also asked Miss Hyde to bring with her one of the orphan boys. It was Jesse who accompanied her. He was the first of a series of boys trained by Mr. Bullock. They were taught cooking after the first two years of being house boys. It was good training and provided Mr. Bolton with very reasonable health. Jesse's mother was left a widow in 1903 she had under sun casting his younger brother Harold has been battling. His brother is now dead and his sister lives and countless their father was killed in an accident Antonia was stolen from the streetcar, and in those days there was none of the assistance that young littles received today. Consequently, Jessie and his brother spent two years in the orphanage. Jesse's mother understood that he would continue to schooling after arrival Saltspring but this was proven wrong. Mr. Bullock Amanda, contradictory character traits considered further schooling for a boy his class unnecessary. On the other hand, the old chap was very kind person, just he stayed with Mr. Bullock for nine years. The calling was yours, Jesse said he was well trained and learned many things. He laughs He remembered having to clean and polish the first bottle tea on Salisbury every Saturday in order to have it ready for church on Sunday. His employer was quite fussy about the car. Jesse learned many valuable lessons about farming in those days. Let us help them in the future. After Miss Hines three months came to an end. This is very common, you can't cook and housekeeper and she was a little with one son willing, three years younger than Jesse. And like can sit in the job and have a lot of friends and much of what they have to get together over the years. And so that's where many of you here will remember Willie Ballmer. And here's the book estate in wintertime. My dad would have taken this photograph, I'm gonna go into a little bit of photography history in a few minutes. We'll show you a bit about the book times in the book property. There's a binding crew at work on the farm. This chap right here is Bill Evans, who many people knew and he was Bullock's manager after 1910. This would have been Willie Palmer here. There are some other figures in here that I can get details on if anybody's interested.
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The valley was where you look from Robertson road was all going up a bull rushes and reeds today. This was a fertile productive land and they produced probably a lot of root crops like manuals for the livestock. They had a silo and bullets placed so that they did produce corn silage. And because it was more than the same level was the lake. Irrigation wasn't necessarily the growth things on that pizza. This was the cottage which is still there looks much more rundown today than at that point in time. But it's right at the end of the driveway when you go past John folkers to the end of the road because it overlooks Bullock Lake. House in behind, you'll see a chimney and behind here. That was another little house for some of the workers. And the last person I remember living in it was a Mrs. McMurdo local radio band Bob happening in the 40s and 50s called grandma. And she continually wrote to him about his radio broadcasts. Here's a view of the bullock farm from the lake. And you can see the orange shirts which were taken out I remember as a kid the orchards being taken out of course, apples were worth nothing on Saltspring after about 1925 farmers just kept them for their own use. But it was a pretty sizable our treatment. hay field over here which is somewhat grown in. There's the great barn and books, there's the manager's house. That's the other barn in the back of the property, which is and there's the bullock house where John folkers houses today and the valley that we showed in that previous picture of condominiums down here
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and this was a 10 bedroom house, three bathrooms, main floor and 12 foot ceilings. I guess it was probably the largest house on the island at the time in the early earliest start was built around at 92 and have gas lights and they put in electricity later. And of course you'd have indoor plumbing which was unusual. You'd had the first electricity bar awesome. The first phone line from God Jesus was connected to there. And there's Mr. Bullock and the staff will turn it over this way. Okay, as you can see Mr. Bullock here with a married man and lady to his to his left as we're looking, we're the details who were cousins of Mrs. Palmer. There's Lily Palmer and Betty DeMille. And my dad with the right here, the Jesse and I think the little brother Steve was in there he is Stephen Hill, who's down here and that's Miss Hines, the woman from North Carolina running at this point, I think some further pictures will show this will probably about the time we'll have the feature photography the bullet himself was quite a photographer and bullet would take the whole staff and friends and everybody out for picnics. And this one played obviously Bullock must have taken the picture himself because I think that might be my dad standing in the background. Down at the beach anyone
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hears flying crop of boats being cut and bound up by him this is before they had a binder. And this is taken actually between the two lakes which has now grown up a buck brush but it was cleared by Bullock in those days it was between Stephens Lake and box Lake most people that must have been into dumped out in space and probably never seen Stephens Lake consulting. At the time that Mr. Bullock owns the property, he bought about 10 or 20 acres off the Stephens is where the churches up here and cutting themselves so that he could have all the lands around it and secondly, and so his property actually surrounded both lakes
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this last picture showed Bill Evans and Bose Elliot and it goes like this really Palmer Lily Lily was the housekeeper's daughter or son I should say. I believe this is the in Halle I'm not sure who this is. This one over here is Philip. He was born but he didn't quite have it all together. And what happened was that Bill Evans will get together talking about Halsey which is thickening was his real name was Archibald Lansdown, both Elliot and Mozi were put up with standard books for a while and when he got some money sent out from England he'd move out but then when that run out he come back to box in the back to work. And so but when he moved on, he put put his stuff on whalebone after Ganges to some place. And the boys used to delight in sticking the stick between the spokes of the wheel mosey with a little asleep on his feet so you're not tempted over
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there's another shot of a cottage don't think so? No, I think fellas was born actually think that the level of liquidity without the beaches and I think that was your clock I think just went backwards. Here we are. And this will a Palmer cocking Hey in front of you've seen this picture wrong Ganges no doubt 1000s of times but to have good hay crops
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Mr. Bullock heading to town probably wouldn't be heading to church with that hat on
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there's a view of the back door here the door actually sort of in here in the dark you can't see it. My two recollections of Mr. Bullock as a little kid was walking up the steps and then the door there and Mr. Bullock I'm in degree this in the kitchen. The other was I remember him sitting in his role or top desk in his study. There's a trench in Ganges at the time when Saul spent no longer there, St. Paul's burnt down Anglican Church. And this one here is a little bit more of a now it's not a great Good morning. So Mrs. Palmer, the housekeeper. Now, Mr. instrumental in the building of this church here, once you all those, St. Mark's, and this would be doesn't look a lot different today except for the addition. And that was apparently quite a tug of war between him and the Robert De F. Wilson. Mr. Bullock had the money. And on the subject of money when some people said to my dad, he was really well off and that's it. No, Mr. Bullock wasn't well enough off to do it up big in England, but he was going to do pretty well over here.
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There's actually, this is the old barn that used to be there, right across the road, going into books. That barn was probably there until about 1970. I think the shapes just rotted out on the interesting thing is all these buildings that Mr. Bolt built, were all more or less falling down by the time or getting into that state by the time he died. When people came up, you'll see a picture of the barn on dad's place. They said Jesse you're kind of over building this thing. He said, Well, unless your bullet died all his buildings were dead. I don't want that to happen to flame. So you've seen this picture and who knows. And that death it's up that bedding and Steve than our Willie Palmer? I'm not sure what this is. It might be Bose Elliot, I don't think it is. Doesn't look like we didn't have a really good close up portrait of the old man. But there he is. So they got of course Model T's became the thing.
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Yeah, that's there are much more clear ones. And this this one I got off. The better positive was in the archives. And I didn't have time really develop a new positive for this. But it shows you the Model T's just sort of arrived around 1913 And the big number. This will be Mr. Bollocks in the front. And that took that picture, even about 19 years of age at that time. Now here's how the photography Mr. Bullock was actually the photographer himself. And he realized that my dad had an interest in it. And there was one of the things he laid out separate the person's for the portrait in the photograph, and you can see the markings here, and what have you. So a chair got used in various ways. This one is one of Willie Palmer, in the setting portrait you have here's another one adaptiq The Willie really looks like he's about 11 or 12 years old. So my dad by this time would have been 1514 or 15. So he was getting the rudiments and block out a curtain that he brought down for background. So he talked about how to take these pictures and how to develop them and and there's one Mr. Bullock took it out. By this time, I would say he's probably around 17 years of age. Notice the color and of course they said he was a cook. What does the house boy first. And finally, husband duty was also to wait on tables. And I can remember as a kid growing up various people on the island coming up for dinner or what have you. And they'd say, Well, Mr. Bullock said so and so. And of course my dad was standing behind him serving the food. He knew what Mr. Morrison said he knew what everyone else had said but he was never allowed to say anything. He said no, he didn't say that. He said this. And that was the uniform that he wore. When he waited on the tables
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but Mr. Bhalla didn't work all the time. The boys he gave them lots of fun they happen. Here's attendee put out for the Mega camp out in the summertime. And they had, they had their Sundays off, except to go to church. And that was a great hiker, you take all over the place, up motors getting all the way over and Maxwell and back and up and up in an afternoon after church and taught them how to hunt. Here's the first deer he got wasn't very big. That was his first one. And during the Depression, when times were tough, he got a lot of deer. And when we were kids, we never got beer because he didn't like it. And after church, he'd go for a walk. And this is his first lady friends, long St. Mary's lake. So he was up for a walk there, and the boys that Mr. Bullock taught them how to swim. And what he did was he couldn't swim himself to take the boys out in the boat with the pole and delta around their waist and the rope from the pole and the hang over the side of the boat, because there's no bottom and Bullock's length. There's nowhere he can stand. It's just Pete, you can stick a pole down and 20 feet so you can't walk ashore enough. You don't have to swim ashore you won't you won't get ashore. Well, that's how the boys learned. There they are in a canal but this time they're there. They're good swimmers.
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And occasionally, he got together and now they're young men, his his brother Harold. They've gotten together took a portrait of him. Well, the photography got good enough that they had this. By the time they had this new hotel in Ganges. You've all seen this picture if you've been around Ganges, the most impressive hotel on the island at the time. And he took that one. And a few months later the hotel caught on fire and they they phoned Bullock's house to get Jesse to run with his camera from Biloxi Ganges to take a picture of the hotel No, no, it's sets right roughly where training couple almost sort of North and he did this all the time exposure of course at night. And you'll see the tripod, the camera are sitting on the table with us. And that was that was that? Well, we took a lot of other scenes of Ganges and he started selling postcards making postcards. And he gave a lot of thought to becoming an amateur photographer and then a professional photographer or attorney this magnitude career into a professional career. And that's not quite right. Turn it over. It's better. Now there you are. One of the more modern take boats coming in to the dock and more it's been this time they have this feature built out there. It almost looks like the Princess Mary. But little bigger than Joan. And this of course was the Cougar that was start shot. Well, Willis, as you remember was the son if you're following Saltspring history was the son of Mrs. Louis Stark or Sylvia Stark, I shouldn't say up on Stark road here and never had, as far as I know never had any kids of his own. And he died in the 70s before his mother did and she loved to have sex and it was said that she said I never raised that boy
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there's the princess Joel
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here's one that he took a picture of Robbie Robinson birth canal somewhere. Anyway, Robbie was kind of friends with that. This was been done upon postcard and I played a lot of football, little things or soccer that was a member of the Ganges team. And Robbie was a fullback on the team. Some of you remember Stanley wag the manager of a printing company he was a goaltender. Driven craft in the NFL at that point was one of the fall backs the two Springfield's plays. And they challenge the Victoria team, which was a British Columbia champions game about 1914. They beat them over here five to nothing. We thought that was a fluke. So they had a return match and Victoria and the Ganges team beat them again. Finally, there was a pretty fair soccer players and and I remember as a teenager, my dad would be 60 at the time he could do things on the ball that none of us could do. There's better detail in that picture. You don't get the cow
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you put that
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on a postcard and he would do and animal pictures on the postcards. Unfortunately, I couldn't come he did have quite a few baby portraits that I was hoping to find the one that Phyllis Newman here and I think I have it in the magic lantern slides, but I couldn't find it off him. These ones. There's snow on them on the Hill. Mr. Bullock and the sled boys are venturing around. There's some sheep again, get a postcard. This one is another postcard picture.
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Well, as I mentioned, it was a very British island in many ways. In 1914, came along and war broke out. Everybody thought that there was going to be over Christmas. So only a few of the people who had been in the army, by and large joined up but by New Year's of 1915. It was obvious it was going to be a long haul. And so there was a rush to join up for king and country. And in the spring of 1915 dad decided that he ought to join up. And here he is in uniform and joined up the rules barracks in Victoria with four other on this big Jackson tiny CMR and actin Blackmun's first name. That was Yeah, that's right. Yep. They were the four of them are in the 48th battalion in Victoria. And
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they, this is at the wall of barracks drill training in Victoria. And there is a picture with a good friend of his mustache now.
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When he left Mr. Bullock's in 1915 book, my dad was a very tall man, he was quite short, and didn't think he was physically up to it for the army. So he told him that if he was ever injured or sick, he'd always have a place to come back to. And my stepmother said Jesse didn't go to university. He got his education in the trenches. And that was probably very true. I'm praying Toya.
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He wasn't sure
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that he was going to get back when he got to England. They sailed through the Panama and through stopped to Kingston, Jamaica for appeal and Bermuda and then landed in Plymouth, England. And he got a picture taken of himself in a month and sent it back to his mother in case he didn't return. But it anyway, another interesting thing about his years of Mr. Bullock's was whatever money he made, if he had anything spare and always send it to his mother and the result was his brother Harold, but he's great 13 education and adding up Some education as well. Yeah, there was a best friend. And in the army and they were, the unit was broken up in Victoria in the spring of, or in the fall of 1950. When they arrived, the first and second companies were sent to reinforce casualties from coupler battalions lost to many men. And my dad was in the third company, and they were held back until late winter of 1916. And they wouldn't send over in the early spring, they were put into the line for the first time. And his introduction to the First World War was a shock. It affected the rest of his life, there's no doubt about it. He was sent with his platoon of took 30 men into no man's land and restore communication trenches that had been dug. And at that point in time, it could then have been driven out of the frontline trenches. But the Germans had occupied them because they had encountered shell, so there was no way they could get forward either. So the Canadians were ordered to restore the frontline. They sent these 30 men out just reading the communication trends from the second line on the front, and the end of the ultimate start show, which led up the battlefield at night. And of course, the machine guns were there, and the 30 of them were trapped up in there, my dad and his pal jumped into a hole from a crater. And incrementally the star shells go out from his cow paddock. He said, I've got to make it back the line. And he got up and ran in the darkness got hung up in the barbed wire, and then the star shell came on 30 feet from my dad. So I'm kind of happy with and then eventually when the night out, got himself lost, didn't know which line was which didn't know where to go. He couldn't light a match. And at first light, he knew which way the East was. So he got on his belly and he called back and of the 30 men that he had one other little soul survivors. And that was his first night on the Western Front. And as he said he walked around with shell shocked for a long time after doing his daily chores. And but he lucked up he stayed on the front for six weeks he got gaslands But we didn't report the gas because if we reported the gas then you got sent to the medical station if you got clear and healthy that put back in for another six weeks. So this six weeks are up so he didn't bother to report the gas so you've got his little break when he got back the stretcher duty not necessarily volunteers for structures because you carry the stretcher you understand that? And that meant you expose yourself and he felt sorry for these wounded guys. He volunteered and they got back to the dressing station. And the training the bullets all of a sudden came in handy but apparently a shallow come over the night before and killed the cut in the officers mess. And they asked these four stretcher bearers is anybody here to cook and he sticks up his hand. Learn how to cook the books. Well spent the next six months talking behind which is a lot better than getting shot out with a machine gun he figured to save his life. Anyway, saucepan Owens had some visitors remember the British Columbia government bought a submarine at the outbreak of the war, they weren't taking any chances
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Well, that's all right. submarines and guarantees first time Civil Defense meeting in the Second World War. My dad was in there right Prakash Ward was sitting in the back and there was a lady turning to somebody asked asked her amount of what would happen if an enemy submarine surfaced in Ganges harbor and of course my dad and two or three other veterans gear that the submarines at a 40 a gun on them that they can get anything on Saltspring virtually just simply arrested
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these were two remittance boys. They unfortunately as many of these boys thought that when the war broke out you got to join the army. You got a free trip on day one. Their names are on the Cenotaph here and God Jesus. That's the two star boys. They won't kill them press
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anyway, when that he came back, Salzburg, but not after having been through a, an episode with us and flew in 1919 when they were repatriated back home, and on the train and France, coming to England, and they ended up in the hospital in Basingstoke for six months. And he hoped to the Canadian consulate, but farming in Canada as he was recovering, they sent him a brochure. Not sure he had a photograph of his father Mr. BORNSTEIN that basically convinced him to come back to Canada to pump to Salt Spring to fire. And he took a farm out on Yvonne road. We turned up from buyer on towards mancebo was placed that farm there was some 60 or 80 acres there. And he took that farm out under soldier settlement, but he went broke on and it knocked a few cows grew a few veggies. And so then he went horse logging and that wasn't any better. So by 1930, he got a job in logging camp, up on Baker Island, managed to put enough money together to make a down payment on the President's farm. Pedro and that's brains have been ever since. Well, during that time on the page 1935 He included someone and see if we can find it one here. That's
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what he did he he cleared some lab. Here we are, that's what we're doing
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this gives a view of the farm that he bought. This isn't what it looked like when he bought it. None of this. The only part that was clear was this little bit right here below the barn, and a little bit up here towards the house in the orchard. And a little bit over here about six acres in total, we're clear. This valley runs down. Going from right to left as you're looking eventually ends up in Walker's home. And he started at the Fall land on the next property over and digging a ditch in the first four months he was there. He dug a ditch up the valley right beyond the top end of this peat land up here about somewhere in the order of 600 yards and places four feet deep the depth of the shovel that was four feet deep and water the brain. It was a peat Marsh. And that was the beginning of his vegetable burn. And then that winter, he here now and head your fence the whole property which was 200 acres. They started on the paved road with only or pasture Valley heights back down the other side and they just cut the material by hand as they went the fence the entire thing. And so this first crop of potatoes he didn't have, he borrowed the neighbor's horse for plowing. He didn't have a horse himself. So he packed packed them up on sacks from the valley to the root cellar under this old barn and now this is the new barn beside him. That was the old bar and it was in 1933 and he couldn't sell him potatoes because nobody had any money. So he went to a dance and Fulford and the door price was a bag of potatoes and he wanted
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there was there was a bunch of rabbits running around on the fire but he bought himself a single shot 22 Because he figured if he had a single he was a pretty good shot and he had a single shot he wouldn't waste any bullets because they were one cent each. And so he lived on rabbit and here. Whenever he grew in the garden, things got a little bit better as the depression went along in 1935. In the summer of 1935. A burnt out farmer on the prairies arrived with his five boys on Saltspring another Jessie barn and he arrived too late in the season to plant a garden for himself and his family. And he was looking for work. That said, if he came to work, he was provided with vegetables for the winter and he All of us in this environment suffer every Saturday night. Well, one of the things my dad learns, books was also he was an amateur magician. You had all these kinds of tricks, disappearing, tricks under different hats and all this type of stuff. He could juggle balls and do a lot of stuff. And of course there was Ken and Howard Carey. According to my plan. He used to get through entertainment every Saturday night, but he gets magician tricks. Well, a virus came from a place in Saskatchewan. And then their immediate next door neighbor. Was this man here? Nails? No, he's my grandfather. And better dog. And that's the three oldest in the family. The baby was my mother Mary. And as a grown woman, she came to visit the barns on Saltspring Island and call my mother met. So the remote making 36 My sister came along in 1938. And there's the family man. No, he's he's 42 years old with his first child. 44 years old.
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There's none there's the person over here, and Mrs. Bill Evans and the three godparents with the baby or Daisy gear.
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Lily bomber and I mean, Palmer. This is Jean Pierre, my mother's closest friend. Reverend problem. This is Mr. Popham over here. And Mr. Bullets Over here I don't know who that man is. I can't remember. Anyway.
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We never thought we were short of fun as kids growing up despite the fact we were kind of isolated on the farm.