155_Ashwell-Reg_Native-Art.mp3

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26.04.2023

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Anyway, I

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started so that was my place

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and I'm here today in lieu of my wife that died over a year ago

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that's almost reveled in the opportunity to give a talk such as this

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Indian rock art

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and she was the instigator of

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this which unfortunately is now

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one

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sided

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the presence of this presentation today is what used to be called a slideshow

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I don't know it is it is medium madness for the slideshow there So recognize

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the portion of the

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slideshow

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that should really

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have put together a slideshow but it was clearly biased in the academic side

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when she died she turned over a lot of our slides to be seen

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and also a member of

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Detroit so I found myself coming around without perhaps less academic

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aspects of this whole business

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which we'll see today is

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the augmented by

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shot strong

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shots

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I would also like to say that

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I have

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dropped some books today about throwing a number of books I

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think there are about six of them still at

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the table in fact probably price has dropped

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they're available in bookstores, but you don't have to buy them back

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so first what does it

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explain

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to our

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our babies that are actually decided

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to weigh so

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much

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bigger

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picture graph on the other half

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picture that

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a lot of people

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I suspect that the number of steps are also the graphs

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of course

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well I think you know we want to say

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anyway, I think maybe I'll start

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Okay, first picture is the area that we study.

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That's the coast of North America there

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leaks up and goes around in the Alaskan part of the site, the area

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the area of study runs from above the Amira river which is on on the Russian side, right around the semicircle around the top down as far as Oregon.

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This seems to be an area in which there are quite a number of similarities in the in the rock art, and for that reason, it seems to make a group

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similar study that I plan to do the elastic part of it, I see a lot of flex she went to Cambridge and studied in.

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But she tried to learn Russian and she studied some of the Russian aspects of these electric ghosts, but the facilities really weren't there for it so that she sort of gave up before she has completed that part. Consequently, we don't

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predict on the on the Alaska or the route of the Russian part of the country.

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Anyway

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okay, there is a site which is in the Alaska part, sorry, not the Alaska part of the Russian part.

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laid off period I can't pronounce the name I don't think

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share my tail Sherma tail.

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That's Russian area, you can see that the bass part there is fairly similar to the ones that we'll be looking at.

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And there is this is in the, in the Amira River. It's the annual River, most of the day on the river. You could see 100 with the projection there, which

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is not too impressive, but it does have the same stylish

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Touchstone and window that is still petroglyphs are always installed.

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I should have mentioned

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this one is from the barren off Island.

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And this one, I'm taking the photograph of one of the tightest catching as you can see, the Patrick both appears with one eye above water and one eye below water. Partly chalk, so the photographs would reveal the shape a little better chalking is one of those things that is dealing with some degree of scoring. But on the other hand, it does

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tend to make it much clearer as long as you're willing to accept the interpretation of the person who doesn't chocolate.

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Sometimes it gets confusing. Anyway, that's in Alaska, had a cold Alaska

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flew to Dallas, which is dominant Columbia will pick up the area in the middle as we go along. But this represents a site on the Columbia River called the Dells. The stones were originally in a most attractive area, it was a more or less a convention center, a trade Convention Center practically, where Indian tribes from all over the areas came together and did their annual fishing and presumably trading of beats and various other things that went on but came down to the interior. And this meeting point at the Dallas was the absolute mecca for for the Indians to get together and have their their convention so to speak. There was also a good site for a dam. So the the Americans built the dam and what you see rising there is now

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on the chisels a lot of the petroglyphs out of the rock, brought them down there and watched among them, I guess they didn't want to do it.

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So they're they set

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far removed from their original site of work by them, but it's kind of

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there is one force of aspect and that is the one they flooded the area behind them.

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There were 1000s More petroglyphs that touch with us that were covered over so that they will probably be preserved for

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a long time.

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Anyway, those are some of the stones that you see what they face in the wall in the background.

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In 1970 71, I think a lot of somewhere in that area. They had such things that lift grants, you probably remember them. You always tried to pick up some kind of zany project for a Lovecraft and Mark Simon's set to death one time What would you do if you wanted to get over the ground? That's sort of offhandedly, I'd apply for one of the rough all the petroglyphs on Vancouver Island.

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Bargain loans to Beth applied for that and got so that was invited to join in which she did. Anyway this they hired two or three

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Yeah, teenage kids, for obvious reasons to go after some of these petroglyphs and you see that we saw the rocks there. This is down near Victoria, it's

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summer

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beach, she had the location of this one. But there's some some playing goes on record.

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They're recorded by stretching cloth over the federal rug and rubbing it with something called heel ball, which is a type of what we call cobblers wax. It's a sort of hockey part of wax. And you rub that over a tightly stretched bar.

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This particular one here is actually a

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fish and it's very difficult to see tracking these petroglyphs down is a real chore.

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This one has been chalked and you can see up there

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I may have an even closer picture

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and

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despite the fact that

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around the outside of the island, up along the West Coast Trail is a site where there are some what we call historic Dr lifts those are things that we can identify such as the steamship or a sailboat, which was not part of the native Indian culture. And this is close

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and striding up the beach to where you see

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those two petroglyphs there there are others higher up which have not been chalk yet so that you can see the benefit of using chalk

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in making it obvious for toxic

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the ship there was one of the things that got death interested in another follow up for us as part

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of this.

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There is a rubbing one, the rubbings were all together.

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I have set them up on the wall of the workshop garage with some calibrated

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slides, I guess you'd call them or sides. They're one foot intervals that you can see two on the left hand side, on the right hand side. Those give you some scale as to the size of the Pentagon. But better weapons roughly are a little over two feet five, perhaps it's almost three foot six.

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And I think the interpretation of that one was that it was de vivre since the beaver did spend some time

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there's the artists that work

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on their site in that area.

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At the global site, it's called

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it's also in the same general area.

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The gold beach it's

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an old graveyard of Pacific tracks from for many years. This is just an actor that

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may or may not have been part of some shipwreck.

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The beachcombing was fun on these episodes, we would get out there and there would be all kinds of stuff that would be available to

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any art Beachcomber like myself.

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collection of stuff, fishing boats and all that sort of thing.

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Now this one is very close to home and set the CVS that is not affected by petroglyphs. It's a pictograph

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Vesuvius beach

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or at least it was not on facility as the

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day

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it's gone now. So you will find it

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pictographs the road fairly quickly and this one probably wouldn't have been made in 100 years prior to the

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by the way, a lot of these pictures go back a fair bit.

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There is the one that you probably recognize as being a foolproof petrol book.

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It's not in its original site. It's in its second site.

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The original site was partially submerged at the end of

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great water for use before.

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Matter of just getting locked out to get water.

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It was hauled up to this point that high tide line on the top there for a good number of years, at which point it was stolen.

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and put onto a piece of property and land about a mile or so.

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And there was a great hoo ha about that and it was eventually returned to its current site

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dedicated

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fairly close to the original site of its original location.

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And it's now a

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slightly more dramatic way I guess the one you see here

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this is Helen point on main island. And that's one that you might

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hesitate to call attention look at. You might call it a figurine or a rock carving

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because it's more portable.

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One of the problems with the ones that are done on small stones is that being portable people tend to come along and pick them up

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that happened with this one I think it's I don't know where it is now. I think it's gone.

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Thetis Island

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another one not too clear.

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Further up Island cedar by the sea. I think this is one of the houses that was associated with brothers well.

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Anyway, it's boasted the water and these rock gardens appear on the beautiful flat stones in the area. And

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this shows the rubbing process more or less completed for

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Gabriel Allah. This is on the island of Great Gabriel. There are large numbers A fetcher but fairly recently discovered over there, lady by the name of Mary Beth Lee is

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more or less the authority on those. But there's some good ones over there.

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This is the monsell site which is

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an animal river it's just about

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the point where you turn off the highway to turn into cedar by the sea

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up there can't remember

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this one there will get thrown off the site and was forbidden to return because he complained about the fact that the guy was driving these cars over at all

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part of the driveway.

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He didn't take too kindly to this degree of interference.

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Anyway see,

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there's a rubbing of the same panel

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this next one is Patrick Park.

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Hetrick of the park was fairly dramatic when we first saw it I think in the 50s

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since that it's been

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cut away on all sides it's got an auto cord on one side and the highway has been widened on the other and there's

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it's really left as a sort of isolated little knob of rock with these patches of soft tissue trees it looks kind of boring, but it's a very dramatic site there's a photograph of the actual

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rock

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other one of the

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rubbing up the same thing

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and this one is also affected with bark

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good little fingers with

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these things are all

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mythical significance but it's very difficult to to attribute them nowadays to any particular mess.

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Central Park has some interesting things which I do

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put them on moment

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Jack boy

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this is set the site was associated with salmon ceremonial first salmon ceremony

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right now it's

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done is located just outside the museum so it's quite easy to see this one if you go out and watch out the

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there's there's the current location

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once again, I think we're on Gabriola.

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This is

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another site where that

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got into trouble quite often that is in trouble. They were they were logging around this area and they didn't know anything about them and they were sort of logging

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I think that decided that they were not being looked after. So she got the museum and the museum although it doesn't have any teeth at least has gotten

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so that it gave them a bit of a chilling out.

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And I think the logging didn't get stopped and once again, I've gotten through

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the site so she has to sneak on all the

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Sproat Lake probably you've seen this site, it's

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marked I think there's a there's a part of the site of government campsite

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that the grid of the government said campsite and proceed through it you'll find a

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few peering out there

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Englishman's river

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This is a

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bowl and I think it's there and you can probably just make it up in any case there's I think a rubbish slide

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showing you the general shape there and you can see the river in the background so

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one thing about these these petroglyphs they usually are located in fairly what I would call powerful places

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it's usually a dramatic place in the natural scheme of things

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often on a cliff or by some particularly

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serene quiet for the role like setting so that

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I think they were places that were

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prone to causing the spirits to flow

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hold on like

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other

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the gear

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I think there's two slides on that one now there's a closer up on the figure

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probably a dancing shaman with

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your best will be sure of your ground that I have

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addiction

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on that statement.

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Can't much there's a lot of boulders on the beach of cave mines that have that you're gonna sign them and there's a piece of material stretched on a rock there. I'm Robin he has to be done.

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The boulders have been gathered together for the most part and moved to the new Cape much Museum. Cate Blanchett are fairly powerful progressive band of Indians and they've got

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quite a bit of support going for a museum for what other projects they have on Quadra Island

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particles to move these stones back into the village

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and there's another one

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of the stones

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another one that's close to a figure indices in the Corky museum

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Jarvis inlet This is a pictograph to give you some idea of what they look like

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because amongst as well as they're not to say there was only one that I found that had been charged and that was up in the future where

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they normally are just painted on

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Fort Rupert

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there was

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supposed to then a slave slave connection with this particular collector.

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This has been recorded by

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early

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on early in the Explorer whose name escapes me back around the time of cooks but I can't

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archaeologist

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there's the old fort.

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That chimney still stands, even though this picture was taken, I think 1968

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That's 30 years old.

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Knock them Island some of them are eroding and eroded

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obviously the eyes of this one are clear because they are higher up on the rock

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MacArthur's point

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forward harbor there are several in the forward harbor about halfway along I think it's a place called robbers not it's my memory serves me

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and to make them clear you sometimes splash water all over them that tends to help to a degree with photography

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there's three or four slides on the robbers site called the fiber

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there's one that was not splashed with water and

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probably wouldn't have been clear

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slash

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list I was jumping across Creek. That's one of the

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one of the most dramatic and interesting places I've run into on Throughout my travels up the coast. It's not easy to get at. It's just north of Jarvis and I think it's an authentic arm.

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There is a creek that comes out here and it comes out through a crack between the rocks and

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about two or 300 feet up the creek. Through the rock there is a large bowl about probably a couple 100 feet in diameter. And the waters come down into this bowl, swirl around and then squirt through the crack in the rock.

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I was able to drive the bullet up through the crack into the rock and into this bowl, which was kind of neat, a small amount of both

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fairly,

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fairly agile. And I was able to get back out by keeping my nose pointed upstream and gradually backing down letting the water take me out otherwise smashed against the rocks I'm sure.

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Anyway, the petroglyph site is is a good one.

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We were working with the site and you can see how common is

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suddenly we heard the noise of sort of a whispering sound up in the in the trees up the mountain.

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We looked back and I think you might even see the star but the water was agitated by the waves further out. So we decided to get out of there. The reason of course being that Anchorage is extremely difficult in these inlets because the water is about 500 feet deep. So you can't get an anchor down except in certain places. And the place that we were able to get it down was at the mouth of the creek. So we got our anchor down into the mouth of the creek and sort of on the back as the as the Waters forced the both way.

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And in fact, we were able to get ashore and do this, this work. So we heard the sound and

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the Sure enough, we just got on the boat before the thing struck and the waves were very turbulent at that point. We were

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spent about three hours pounding down to some safe anchorage which way the distance down there.

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But this scene

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does not give any indication of turmoil that follows.

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Maybe we had violated the silence.

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In any case, there's the

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stuff that I was rubbing at that point

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no non functioning slide.

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Just have a look and see what it was

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like river well.

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Here's another one that's Park River and there's no petroglyphs in the site. We were anchored on a month with the creek about a half a mile back and took the coin up through the shallows of the water. Looking for the big site which was referred to in some museum report, checking all the rocks on the way up and we rounded a point much like the one you see ahead and about 20 feet away we both noticed that there was a grizzly bear.

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He rose from his labors I personally was eating and

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and looked at us and we looked at him and of course, there was no way that we could get away from it chose to go afterwards because we were walking out slippery boulders in this in this thing carrying all the camera gear.

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So he just slowly turned and started to walk away and he did the same as we get glass door are shorter but it's one of those sort of things that makes you wonder what the hell you're doing.

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Like an owl

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and

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chalkboard Island.

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This is up close to Robert.

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Now here we have Tom Wright slide

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one this was all over, we took our country, rubbings are not the gymnasium, the old school, the secondary school, what used to be the secondary school. And that's that's standing in front of one of them.

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There's some idea of the scope of the display.

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They went all the way around. Of course, this is just one site.

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These rubbings are now Museum at Victoria. And they vCPM there, presumably on a storage area or the archives. I'm not sure which one we completed that all the rubbings were turned over to the

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and I guess we'll

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be a record of the state of the art rock art of the time this was done.

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Now

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we following this,

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got interested in doing a dig. Because I had put through a book raft.

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The place I ended on Churchill rock is an island that we had the the big house out at the end of the point at the end of Churchill Road, where the guy with the helicopter now lives whose name escapes me. But then we subdivided that, and I build a place down on the shoulder of the same piece of property.

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And I put a boat wrapped down and this is what we found.

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Of course, by this time, I wasn't

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beginning to clue in that there was something significant

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here, which was to have a Donald.

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So we contacted the museum at this point and ask them

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what to do about this. And they said, Well, we've got to have a dig and see what it's all about. Because we're contemplating a guest cabin on the site too.

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Anyway, the big one they had they build a structure and

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all our friends gathered around we were going to

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move for a year to England, and Beth was studying archaeology at Cambridge at that point. So we invited our friends to help us with this dig and

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we pay them by meals we have a freezer full of food so we the BC Provincial Museum paid $1 a meal and we provided the food and of course our friends all

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got rid of the freezer for food

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anyway

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one of the pits that was put down on the site

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this was a fairly large as these things go that took over a month

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and there was a tremendous number of artifacts that were turned over to the museum on

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sifting sand or sorry, sifting the stuff from

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the beans on the lake.

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They figured that was probably Marple phase about 3000 years ago

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for most of the site

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it's a lot of fun it doesn't look like much fun but it is it's a

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great way to spend your time anyway with the backhoe cumin layer and straighten it all out we found all kinds of stuff of course it was the actual thing but then people were standing around working with backhoe was working with

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the shows you that you can

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do a thing with a

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few other

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two slides this one is Wilson's ball which is in the same area as our house was at that point

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another figure this is the grade bowl this is great as well we were a little bit off the business of the petroglyphs but we're still in the territory.

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This is a sort of carving that was discovered by Mrs. Gray on her beach I think it was discovered in two parts partly on the patient partly in the farmer's field so

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it was put together

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there are categories of these things seated human finger bowls seems to fall in one category that did a study on what are known as bedrock and bolder goals which means it's an excavation in the

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bedrock was presumably used for the grinding of Walker farm products pictographs on production for ceremonial dances and that's where

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there's another set of human figure goals I

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sure where that came from, I have written down here five assorted bowls.

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These are from the coastal areas here

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this one it was assumed that that stone was used as a sort of marble in

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sort of mortar and pestle operation perhaps the same thing Grinding

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Rock ramshaw or poker or

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both

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now this point

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this is not alone the cooler by going

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this is

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up the coast and the Indian islands which are about just in the general area Belarc Bay

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and there are some figures here this is the schoolhouse and I think the black in the foreground is

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mementos of a schoolteacher who taught here for a while

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there is

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our daughter Sarah No sir after my daughter Francis

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skipping a generation

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erosion seems to be taking place in the form of three four

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this is probably about seven days now we've got it we're

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68

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I suppose beans

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these are all nominal Tula

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this total mostly two parts this is the upper part of

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the lower part of the side this is

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68 this was still standing and looking quite impressive.

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Last trip that I've made in there it's gone

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this one I think is further up

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no I've got Kirklees here

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no sorry. The last one was because this is Hope Island up in the area of

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Oh,

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up in the area all harbor. Remember when they used to get a weather report from bull harbor all the time. This was

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just a disk abandoned on the beach and falling over falling over?

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Was not the thought of

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beyond repair back in those days.

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Got here

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It

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was only 100 of the year so you don't need to worry and we're pretty well up there about 80 Now Kate much 57 No

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more

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than a house on the beach

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there's two

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houses were built on the beach

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back in 168 All right I think it's not a little

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listen

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don't want to go back

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okay Kate much this is probably one of the earlier slides that I've done this was 1957 6740 years

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these three we're still standing in Cape March

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was

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a poll

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Oh just a few shots of sort of randomly dressed when we first came to the island and about 6062 This is

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this is a grave and it's um, shingles spin Valdez.

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I think the natives came and retrieved their that because

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they were not daring to well and use graves. I don't

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think they probably worked on Cooper.

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They weren't shortly after 16 to

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do probably are familiar with this place. This is

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millstones, no stone holes

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the site is in real life and it's about a mile up the hill from the ferry dock on the right hand side going up.

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They use them for the milling of

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the probably ship them out. Grindstone thing the grindstone so we've got shipped up 94

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deaths

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but Allah could spit

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one of the beauties of this whole business bombing around the post in those days that you could

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visit these places and feel quite welcome

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it wasn't built out that's a long house down there and thirsty clamshell living going beyond their distance

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old fish boats still the same beach

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so just bandwidth on the beach

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we cars traveled in the style

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anyplace you could find somewhere to throw down your bed roll wasn't gonna get flooded when the tide got I used to consult your timetables to some degree

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we did occasionally wake up with the air mattress flooding

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that's typical camp beach know how

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you just find these places and go

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don't even bother putting your tent where there always seem to be beautiful.

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We were traveling in a much smaller boat in those days it was a 17 foot boat that I felt was my father

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got into a lot of trouble with that I was here my daughter was born and I spent more time working on changing diapers

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UPS

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is cave on Galliano probably

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it's for Montague Harbour about

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I would guess a mile

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somewhere in that range, a little side entrance there that you can slide in at this picture with that light of flooding into the country.

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I'm gonna be used during the days when

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there's a strange one

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Hi, this is Mrs. King's Fall on Asana board to figure in slip said to have been found on Dalian.

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I know nothing about it. I don't think it's

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anything associated with people I think it's easier if somebody has used themselves in fact without our it's been brought in from somewhere else.

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There is my 45 year old daughter

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couple of slides that might be of interest This is the

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house, which was at Musgrave Smith place

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there used to be the place is turned into I don't know it's a park or an ecological reserve but we all kicked in 100 bucks and did something about it. I think it's not officially designated something

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certainty of some kind. Anyway, this was one of the houses that was on the farmers spot a couple years after

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it was supposed to officer to post officer in fact, when we we didn't touch anything but we opened the diary because there there are long pieces of nothing. And then there was one entry a man rode by on horseback

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anyway, this was probably

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there was a waterwheel associated with this place I'm not sure whether it's sending I wasn't able to get foreign physical was to find it. Last time I was up there

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was a water

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and there's Ganges winter last.

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firefighter