12A_LotusRuckle_2.mp3

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21.03.2023

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Outline

Growing up on Salt Spring Island in the 1920s.
• Logan Ruffle Overgaard Novus Praiser recounts life on Salt Spring Island, including farming and mining experiences.
• Speaker 1 describes their family's financial struggles during the Great Depression after World War I.
• Mother was a creative and resourceful person who made clothes and did chores for her children.

Childhood memories and family traditions.
• Speaker 1 describes how their mother adapted to life in the countryside after working with Mr. Montana in the apple fields.
• Speaker 2 asks about the house Speaker 1 grew up in, and Speaker 1 describes it as a bungalow with two bedrooms and a dark fireplace.
• Mother hosted annual Halloween masquerade parties for neighbors and friends.
• Speaker 1 reminisces about dressing up as a witch and goblin for Halloween parties, with their father acting as a woman in a lace dress.
• Speaker 2 expresses envy of getting to go to church as a child, with various Anglican and United Church ministers holding services.

Childhood memories and education in a small town.
• Speaker 2 shares memories of childhood summers at Cushing, Polk, and Saltspring Island.
• Girl's house from visit is now a cottage near old mill site.
• Unknown speaker discusses AP exams, grading, and marketing with Speaker 1.
• Victoria's family moved to a small town for a better life, but struggled to make ends meet.

Childhood games and entertainment in the early 20th century.
• Speaker 1 shares their life story, including their desire to become a teacher and their experiences with marriage and education.
• The speakers reminisce about childhood games and parties, including "Rounders," "School," "Blind Man's Bluff," and "500.
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• The Girls Club, started by Dolly and Esther, met weekly for embroidery and newspaper reading, with 10 members and their children, until forced to go home due to radio's arrival.
• Children in the conversation shared their experiences with summer activities, including spending time with family and friends, and how they didn't have access to certain activities like swimming.

Life in Victoria, BC in the early 20th century.
• Speaker 1 describes their childhood experiences in Victoria, including trips to the crystal gardens for swimming.
• Neves family moves to Salt Spring Island with 5 children and limited resources, struggles to find shelter and medical care.
• Mother broke her ankle and had to make trips to Ganges for medical care, with a midwife named Miss Bowman assisting during births.

Unknown Speaker 0:00
But maybe could you just start off by saying your name and and when you came to when you were on salt Were you born on Saltspring? No.

Unknown Speaker 0:09
My name is Logan ruffle Overgaard Novus Praiser we came salt spring on the second day of February 1921. The day I was 10 years old

Unknown Speaker 0:22
is your perfect age for my book idea. And did you live down in? In beaver Point area?

Unknown Speaker 0:28
We live on Bridgman road pretty close. My stepfather and my mother owned the whole 640 acres original mountain. We own the whole thing then until it was subdivided.

Unknown Speaker 0:44
And what did your dad do?

Unknown Speaker 0:47
Well, we just farmed. My own father was killed when I was six years old and an accident. So it was my stepfather, Mr. parlimen handmake that we live with on the island. He bought the place and we farmed. We put tons and tons and tons of apples over a year for the Emperor's manufacturing company. And we ran sheep who have anywhere from 100 or more, ran all over reginal Hill and my brother and my sister and I were responsible for getting the sheep in.

Unknown Speaker 1:25
Okay, so you had you had a brother and sister I have

Unknown Speaker 1:28
three brothers and a sister.

Unknown Speaker 1:33
And where were you in the in the

Unknown Speaker 1:35
mine? Well Ruth was the eldest Jack a year younger I was a year younger than that. And the boys were one three years younger one six years younger than I was

Unknown Speaker 1:48
and did you go to school? The viewpoints

Unknown Speaker 1:51
19 They finished out the year of 1921 I went 1922 Let me see. I guess I guess I wrote my exams and 22 perfect grade eight

Unknown Speaker 2:13
and you went up to

Unknown Speaker 2:14
them there was no high school on top to bring them Yeah. You think to write are graded at exams we had to go to Vandusen board we which was quite different. Then for three I went to school and full length into the fall of ranking 25 where the high school had been opened again geez, by that time the family felt they could afford to board me at multiple in house so I started high school I was the only one of the family that went to high school

Unknown Speaker 2:50
why because they could just that that was time they could afford to spend

Unknown Speaker 2:55
time first of all for the band and they just most wasn't money enough that so my sister went work left she went to work because all Scaper Childhelp and so on and so forth.

Unknown Speaker 3:08
Where did she go and

Unknown Speaker 3:10
she went to Michigan went to had sick first and then demotion and then she was married and when she was

Unknown Speaker 3:17
so your your stepfather did

Unknown Speaker 3:20
did some farming but did quite a few different types of farming kind of diversified just to I guess that times really were kind of tough during that.

Unknown Speaker 3:30
Yeah, that was a depression after the first war that's fine finally broadened out into the depression I didn't notice a difference. So is it really isn't the time times were very good when we came to the island, that boom after a war, you know? Yeah, but then things went from bad to worse and we really were as children. We certainly were rather poor. Yeah, the mother was a very very inventive sort of person. And she always saw that we had something extraordinary birthdays and we always have a nice Christmas mother loves Christmas.

Unknown Speaker 4:15
So what sort of thing would you get if you're gonna get something extra on your birthday? Do you remember any of

Unknown Speaker 4:19
that usually it was for rules and I anyway, it was usually a new dress or a new blouse or something in the clothing line.

Unknown Speaker 4:28
If you got new clothes with baby clothes your mom made for you to be buying

Unknown Speaker 4:33
no mother made project every single week or even to our underwear in those days.

Unknown Speaker 4:39
I can't imagine making my parents skills weren't that good and nice.

Unknown Speaker 4:46
Well, Mr. Prentice dressmaker apprentice, before she was married, and she tailored really well. Her LiPos she may no one would ashamed because they just looked like they came up with a story

Unknown Speaker 5:03
and that key thing, did you so when you said you did chores were your chores. You took care of the sheep.

Unknown Speaker 5:09
Yes lately helped me so sheep. I learned milk when I was about 11 I guess you're 12 Ruth, Ruth all also milk, my brother Jack milk, but if he really wants to break on the road, he much prefer going tonight to do it. He always told us we were much better milkers and he was

Unknown Speaker 5:31
a politician. And so the bus had chores in the house too.

Unknown Speaker 5:37
Oh, yes, rue. Ruth loves cooking. So I helped mother was to put the Mirage and Ruth did more of the dusting and that sort of thing. So when we got home from school, there was nearly always things to be done because mother worked right outside, although she'd never done it before in her life. She's been a businesswoman until she came down here. She worked with Mr. Montana. He was in the fields learned to drive our system. Picked apples really was wonderful, how adaptable she was. person had always been a businesswoman.

Unknown Speaker 6:20
And did she come from like a small city can she come from the city to the countryside,

Unknown Speaker 6:26
wealthy here how she married in Revelstoke the first time. She Revelstoke even then was almost the city for VC in those days. And she had she had come to the United States was born in in Minneapolis, St. Paul Minneapolis. But when she lived in Portland, Salem, Oregon in Portland, Oregon.

Unknown Speaker 6:56
When gets the impression that that in those days that people came out from the states and went down

Unknown Speaker 7:01
in career didn't get very far because he sent down the three oldest ones to go up and wait table and put on his boat with his bunkhouse. That's how mother Mother was transferred from Salem to Revelstoke.

Unknown Speaker 7:20
Okay. Well, can you? Can you could you describe the house that you lived in when you were growing up? Was Was it a boat? Was it smaller than this?

Unknown Speaker 7:30
Oh, yes, it was just a bungalow, really. So there was two houses on the place. It was the old triggy house that we used as extra bedrooms because the bungalow had been built for Bridgeman tired man, and it had a very large front room with a very dark fireplace. And fairly good sized kitchen. And those three bedrooms have opened one off the kitchen to the living room. Well, that's all it was.

Unknown Speaker 8:01
And the bath and you had Did you have an outdoor Oh yeah.

Unknown Speaker 8:08
Well, that must have been cool, but I mean just imagine having to go outside for that in this kind of weather.

Unknown Speaker 8:15
Okay, do you remember Do you remember really much of a reader when you

Unknown Speaker 8:19
were yes so Mother always read to us and even when we were growing up mother would still read to us. And I think we all read from the time when we learned reading I was reading Dickens when other very young Oh, I will

Unknown Speaker 8:37
I guess that would have been what was available to you today. Did you have there many books?

Unknown Speaker 8:41
Yes, we have lots of books so as the Burgess books

Unknown Speaker 8:44
purchased

Unknown Speaker 8:48
all stories about animals and so on There was a great long line of those and was the alcohol books Little Women Little Women whether Joe's boys and so on. And of course it was and a Green Gables.

Unknown Speaker 9:09
Oh, we all need there's the there's gonna be that on TV this today. Today is it today?

Unknown Speaker 9:19
We always we always have lots of reading around Mother mother. And I believe my own father was the same he believes it's wrong as you surround your children with good books and a garden. It wouldn't go very far wrong

Unknown Speaker 9:40
so So did you read? Did you have many magazines girl or newspapers?

Unknown Speaker 9:46
Well yes, it was a boys all manual girls on annual came out every year then. And my mother subscribe to every woman's magazine. pictorial review that was in existence for years and years, and almost Home Companion. And we graduated to the cosmopolitan in the Red Book. A lot of English magazines because they were English. And they were always cast around.

Unknown Speaker 10:21
Did you have Did you have any? What were your neighbors? Like? Were there other kids your age around?

Unknown Speaker 10:26
Whoa, yes, it was the King family as Mrs. LOCKSS family was Margaret and Elizabeth Henry. Peggy.

Unknown Speaker 10:37
Guess people have people have larger families in those days anyway.

Unknown Speaker 10:41
And the Frank Reynolds family. Media was Mrs. Kay, who was again this was the same ages as she came in between those two we used to walk up to Cesar sometimes stay overnight to to come down to our place and still remain. Mother was a great one for a Halloween party and Christmas parties. Nearly always at our house, we had a Halloween Masquerade. Of course, you see there was nothing like the little red schoolhouse ran. Yeah. Where there wasn't the community hall. No, there was no community hall. And so it was a few if you wanted to have entertainment and it was adding the different home.

Unknown Speaker 11:30
Could you Could you describe for me when that your Halloween masquerade that you had? Do

Unknown Speaker 11:38
you remember what you dressed up?

Unknown Speaker 11:40
Oh, I imagine there was usually witches and goblins. Misters there is now my father has been an actor. And he had his own company. And there was a lot of things still left from the freezer dramatic company. Especially wings. Oh, great. Oh. Louis Gray wings in the little beautiful red leggings in the black leggings. And then they were always part of. I remember one time. My brother Jack That's refreezes. Father's? Oh, okay. Yeah. Dressed up as a woman in a beautiful lace dress mother. You really made no good. With a weak dollar,

Unknown Speaker 12:32
you get to wear the red wing. You must have been the envy of all the other kids with a great costume.

Unknown Speaker 12:42
And then at Christmastime, you'd you'd have a party to

Unknown Speaker 12:45
well yes, we were we would have a party at our place. And the monks would come on some of the things and see all the things we go up and we go monks and see all the things they go

Unknown Speaker 13:01
did you do you go to church ever within

Unknown Speaker 13:04
vinyasa was Turkey in the school hosts sometimes fairly regularly and sometimes it wouldn't be we wouldn't be long intervals in between but there was a lay preacher by the name of Cecil Abbott has been put to close to Oregon in school. And he used to hold services

Unknown Speaker 13:26
with his Salt Spring Island or

Unknown Speaker 13:28
was he has he lived in the long harbor? No, he never again Jesus other than and then they eventually they left Saltspring went to Victoria and he was like gateway absolutely everything they had they in their later years, they decided they shouldn't have any possessions at all. Oh, my Yeah. So. Yeah. So and then they different Anglican ministers who came so service and eventual leader was the right they held services. Just once a month. Then the United Church started holding serious. So we went to whichever man happy to come. Mother and my own father, of course. And both we members of the Anglican Church who sang in the choir and so on. So my mother always encouraged us.

Unknown Speaker 14:33
Yeah. Well, it must have been something to do to me would have been kind of fun to get to go to church.

Unknown Speaker 14:40
Well, I say that yeah. Because I think that the fact that you meet someone over

Unknown Speaker 14:50
social anger Oh, yeah, this was a fire give back the maintenance.

Unknown Speaker 15:26
just kept it running I can never quite believe these things are actually recording you okay,

Unknown Speaker 15:40
I'm trying to think of what else I wanted to ask but you're doing a very good job and you're doing me all the information that I wanted. So when I was thinking about about writing this book, I thought that the easiest way to do it for me because I spent so much of my childhood all the summers down at Cushing, Polk would be to have one Saltspring Island or Louisiana fishing pole, so I'm wondering if you ever went down there when you were a child? Can you remember it at all?

Unknown Speaker 16:07
We went down when the mill was an operation I remember one girl the other day now came to school when we went to visit her

Unknown Speaker 16:20
she could when you say she came to school is that means she came to school in the Ganges River one every day they walked

Unknown Speaker 16:27
up through McLennan came out sort of we're eating what oh has a strawberry

Unknown Speaker 16:50
there still are bits of logging roads down there of course. And so that would be that would be quite a hike to go to school every day.

Unknown Speaker 17:00
Rather than would be much farther than walking from here actually. When I go away for the day in it came out just about where you're hosting now yeah. It was very direct

Unknown Speaker 17:16
to do remember much about what the wheels in operation during the 1920s is that don't collapse the word collapse to 1.9

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billion the surgery it had several lives

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yeah

Unknown Speaker 17:36
I guess I don't remember too much about using such as I remember going down versus this this one girl that would be in the rain planting

Unknown Speaker 17:49
with your dad looking at this idea

Unknown Speaker 17:54
and she would have she would have lived in where the cottage is the building sitting down there now what used to be the scientists premise and then that we have been there's a couple of other small buildings within there then

Unknown Speaker 18:09
yes, so I think that's that's I'm sure that's the house we went to the visit was a girl

Unknown Speaker 18:18
it's a funny little place because it's got all these added on bits from since we moved there

Unknown Speaker 18:38
Lou Holtz was the was the CoCo was in social activities. Why don't you become like the teachers that we have in Lucy I only I only had Mr. Monk. And then the last year was Mr. Mr. Cleaver, Mr. or Miss McQueen? She was my last teacher

Unknown Speaker 19:02
and how many children would be in school?

Unknown Speaker 19:05
I think there was around about

Unknown Speaker 19:13
Oh, okay.

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One Two

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was 10 five

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students without without these students used to live across

Unknown Speaker 21:57
some brothers in the Jimmy Stewart Oh, this is the oldest he was eight we look at the AP for some of them are really 1616

Unknown Speaker 22:23
It went for I think she was 21 when she came wow

Unknown Speaker 22:27
that sounds amazing I mean I thought that he wouldn't be out working but it is the girls exterminator Lloyd just left

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to

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show you how to set up bounce rate

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as part of your grading grading government exam maybe three or 12 on their own when I wrote it down he got down to

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it guess it would fluctuate depending on

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like your politics showing you

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so, it was usually around about 25

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always say maybe

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marketing now that was recruiting that there I was selling the proper chemistry of America years I guess.

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With the school teachers be local.

Unknown Speaker 24:57
Mostly came from you Victoria's

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down to 15

Unknown Speaker 25:18
and when you put it up in Ganges wiki I guess you'd come home on the weekends.

Unknown Speaker 25:22
Not when I first went up because my family didn't have a car and I was living mother had to hire a coach to take me there and I wasn't home until Halloween first year I got from September and I got home the end of October and I think it was Christmas. Yeah. But during the Christmas holidays somehow or other Jordan came down to get a putt from appalling people and he decided to take some of us for a ride and your mother looking after you somehow or other after that I always go home

Unknown Speaker 26:12
where there's a will there's a way first three years

Unknown Speaker 26:19
or just wasn't big enough incentive before

Unknown Speaker 26:23
just starting to drive them to a hole for you then I said I was 16 He's eight because I say it was seemed to be utterly impossible for me to make enough money for my mother's and scratch up enough money for me to go to high school. I was I was home working on the farm for three years

Unknown Speaker 26:52
Yeah, and then you went and Emma

Unknown Speaker 26:58
I always wanted to be a teacher even when that when we finished when I finished again geez, I took normal insurance but there still wasn't the money to pay more than the sorry.

Unknown Speaker 27:12
I guess you would have gone to what's most in college now wouldn't you that that was

Unknown Speaker 27:21
and I had at the end of I was home for a year and at the end of that summer I had a very good job offered to me as companion housekeeper to Mrs Bridgman inventory and so I thought I'd take that for a year and then go to normal school

Unknown Speaker 27:44
but Gordon said if I was going to host it for anybody unless

Unknown Speaker 27:52
I got married however I could when he threw her three years or four years of high school followed by correspondence

Unknown Speaker 28:02
or teaching she didn't go up to

Unknown Speaker 28:05
you know she wasn't bars and chooses to go away from home the bar again this is central to do it by correspondence. And He does it by correspondence

Unknown Speaker 28:21
I'm sure both of you when you did it I've never I'm so bad at doing I guess I needed to school structure to get through my work okay, I think if there's anything that I haven't asked you that you Is there anything else that you can think of it that would be useful in terms of just how little girls you look? What games did you play in? Tentative team?

Unknown Speaker 28:47
Well, we had something called Rounders at school and we have anti I O or we played school which meant to choose picked up sides of you threw the ball over the schoolhouse route and left side the cottage ran around

Unknown Speaker 29:43
that's that one I remember a blind man and the room it was too miserable outside. You can imagine that because too much room for playing.

Unknown Speaker 29:57
No. No when I'm I guess the teacher wouldn't want to play in any really active games right inside the classroom.

Unknown Speaker 30:06
In Play blindness often fill in the empty room.

Unknown Speaker 30:11
Did you have any, like four things? Or did you take cards? That sort of stuff?

Unknown Speaker 30:20
Don't remember, I don't think we had many. We had snakes and ladders and that sort of thing. No, I really don't remember. No.

Unknown Speaker 30:30
We weren't sure that they weren't the number. There's so many games these days.

Unknown Speaker 30:38
Of course, as we got older, we all played card 500. social events in those days always. Cards, we're dealing with a big source of entertainment.

Unknown Speaker 30:54
And when you had parties in the home, they wouldn't just be children for you. But they may be more ages,

Unknown Speaker 31:01
where no one really has no more. will be just children. Children of all ages apart from those almost ready to leave school, very tiny ones. We always had a Halloween party up in the schoolhouse. I remember. We had one. There was one teacher. She's Mr. Stevens and our name was Dolman. Estar live with Peavine the Pleven place up here and she started and Girls club that was during the years I was home. Okay, Ruth was still home to my sister. And we met at the Peavine place once a week to do embroidery and that sort of thing. And we read the newspaper Did

Unknown Speaker 31:54
you? Oh,

Unknown Speaker 31:55
it was all handwritten and everything because none of us had a typewriter or anything. But we all contributed to us.

Unknown Speaker 32:02
So how many how many were in the girls?

Unknown Speaker 32:06
I love the murder no was about 10 her child was always at school they're living with with Dolly. Edna Fraser was one of their he was too afraid amongst two or three of the kings. First of all, it was supposed to be just a Girls Club. And then the voice started collecting about the time we were forced to go home. And some of the ladies in the district and take that was very good idea. But all we did was waffle together. We started making two copies of the paper so they can have one.

Unknown Speaker 32:48
So you'd write little article 30

Unknown Speaker 32:52
articles or current gossip about different members. I remember I wrote a story about she was supposed to live gone ready to go mountain eluded capture for many years was called buck the big horns. It was supposed to anybody else found it very interesting, but I enjoyed right. It ran serially. Oh, great.

Unknown Speaker 33:23
Well, I mean, it shows that kids in those days had to be more inventive.

Unknown Speaker 33:28
Because you see, radio was just coming in then. But it wasn't a while before we all had radio before the radio just wasn't we hadn't really I think we had a very good time. Actually without with our beach parties and picnics and stuff, hugs parties and so on. I suppose maybe some people know they were pretty dull, but I really think that children have had quite a good time. And I think too, that the small things like got for Christmas and that sort of thing. Almost more for them. Yeah. Then the great load of things are getting out there

Unknown Speaker 34:33
with my nieces and nephews I almost can't think of anything to give them because you know they have every but

Unknown Speaker 34:40
they have everything now.

Unknown Speaker 34:46
And I don't think I guess I started spending summers down and pushing code when I was five or six. And I was down there for two months every year. We didn't go out all that much. Maybe go to church or

Unknown Speaker 34:59
get Andes was a big event but I never liked but I don't think it did me any harm at all

Unknown Speaker 35:05
I you know, being isolated like that three summers was good for us or we had to be friends with each other

Unknown Speaker 35:14
like children were isolated from I certainly didn't get to then potentially to swim and that sort of thing but we had a lot of other things that made us far

Unknown Speaker 35:40
can't think of anything else to ask you covered

Unknown Speaker 35:47
we've covered what you were what work he did who chores?

Unknown Speaker 36:06
Well, I guess I could ask you what kind of what kind of feed you'd have? Because you wouldn't have vegetables

Unknown Speaker 36:11
available in

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the winter so but to start out,

Unknown Speaker 36:14
know what we all have started we really ate very much the same way leads Yeah, for sure if I can see step one didn't have the convenience of freezers.

Unknown Speaker 36:24
Did you have an ice box?

Unknown Speaker 36:26
Or? No? We had very good root cellar. And someone which is awesome. But why is it was sorrowful, reconsidered comparatively plain?

Unknown Speaker 36:45
When you think your vegetables were pitted? I don't. I don't know. What's that mean?

Unknown Speaker 36:50
Well, you first you dug a hole in the ground when you land it was straw. Vegetables in more straw on top of that, and then you create heap of dirt on top of that. And that wasn't disturbed until after the heavy frost was gone in the spring. And then your vegetables. Were there. Just just fresh on some potatoes. Turn on me. Oh, really? Wow. And mangoes was a sheet of encouragement of sheep. Everybody did it? Most days because it was still nice. They didn't have good basements.

Unknown Speaker 37:34
If you in the root cellar, would that be underneath the house? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 37:38
It was building entirely separate. Did you?

Unknown Speaker 37:45
Did you go into Victoria very

Unknown Speaker 37:47
often. No, we we didn't I don't suppose we went more than two or three times a year is that mostly just to have dental work. And we had some very good friends in Victoria. A man was a lawyer. He'd been friends with a family for years and they used to invite us in and we'd have a treat. You're going to remember one time it was going to scandal. That sort of thing. And it was in grade three. We were taken to the crystal gardens to swim. Oh, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 38:23
Did How did you get into Victoria? Victoria?

Unknown Speaker 38:29
Well, the people the politics so ran along three days a week. Mr. Lassiter ran the launch from Fulford so he ran three days and they ran three days I guess. But the politics of course for right. Well, we're Solimar is now leader just up the road from there. So first, we go down and get on their boat and go to Sydney. And you go off the ball to me and you go off into a bus call like golden flying night. Really worrying catch the train because he didn't leave or not my 11 hour time train had stopped running. Okay, by the time we came though, of course when we came to Salt Spring as I say it was on my 10th birthday. So I can always remember when I came to salt. All our worldly possessions were totems fell behind the launch. And we then did great and at the point at the end of bridges and roads. Then, Mr. Nice who has been the manager on the farm had to pitch his team up and haul stuff off to the house. The leaves were supposed to be out there going into the other Bridgman houses related find someplace to live. They had had a month, removing themselves but they were still there. And this is Neves open door and she said you can't come Hear I won't be able to bark bang oh great welcome. It was raining so her mother had his he was with five children and her worldly possessions. Brother was poor she had moved around and tried to find some breads and something that make a sandwich is a great thing for you

Unknown Speaker 40:34
of course Mrs. Pollack felt terribly badly country found out about it. Oh my god. We could have come to replace the finger latest get lunch for us and I'm sure she wasn't.

Unknown Speaker 40:47
Did you was there there would have been a doctor on the island they would, but not a dentist.

Unknown Speaker 40:52
No at all. There's no resident dentist sometimes dance is king but Dr. Sutherland was here. Baby girl. The only trouble with us was if you had to go to the doctor. It meant hitching the horse up and spending all day going through the duck. I remember Mother broke her ankle one year in May and and she had to make quite a lot of trips they'd set off

Unknown Speaker 41:25
a horse and buggy and

Unknown Speaker 41:29
it was to Ganges where the doctor with

Unknown Speaker 41:33
cursive when women had children did they have to make home men or difficult to get?

Unknown Speaker 41:38
Well Gordon and Norman and and Ellen the youngest one were all born in the house Okay, so the doctor then when when they were born had become from Duncan and he never did good on time. But God Morocco and he was pretty good. I guess she was putting her needs in this was about three and there was a town where you live it was a miss Bowman Mr. Golden City. She also was a midwife. So I think she was here when you both boys were born then will you think it was winter

Unknown Speaker 42:41
I guess the public health nurses would come

Unknown Speaker 42:43
later. Oh much much ninja I don't think we had a public health nurse until the night before

Unknown Speaker 42:55
before he specifically and what we were custom buttery during the war and split our new folks when you I had to rush out and get it all councilman for you

Unknown Speaker 43:26
I think I've asked everything that I could possibly think we've done about one and a half sides of the tape up