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It is August and it is 91. And I am at the home of Simone Shante Liu on FM drive on Saltspring Island. And I hope it's alright if I call you Simone.
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came in 1870 1907
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No, my family came out here you meet?
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Yes. No. 19 came in 1910 and what family came out at that time? I'm gonna add key and my mother has father your uncle was Paul beyond Yeah. And
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not more. Yeah. Yeah. And then my father and my mother and Johnny, my brother Johnny.
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Yes. And Paul beyond son Pierre was born after you
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go. He was born in 1913, just
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before the war was.
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Do you know why the family decided to come to Salt Spring?
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Well, we provide for my mother's partnership in the church, we thought it would be good. My mother had TB and they thought she should lay instead of living in the city. He should come to a country like Canada where there was not a fresh air and they had decided my uncle was the one who was going to shuffle. The UCP candidates, I knew they had intended to live on the same path. And then my former due date passed away from Quicken student getting better and when she arrived
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whereabouts was the original farm then?
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They're definitely the first farm. Why do you right here?
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It was still this property?
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Yes. And the only thing that there was no house to this house, but it was just below before you start coming around, it was not kept.
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Then was it a government preemption or did they buy it from someone?
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No, they bought it from the Mr. Eckman. Oh, okay. He had a bond and she were a cow, and the house and
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so they bought it from him. And then he bought my uncle book
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from him and
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so did the two families then live together,
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together for a while and my poor mother passed on touchstone for everything.
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Yes, I can see that it did. Then Maria continued to look after you children.
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civa became what we call a second lesson. The three of us my father called me broken down land when he lost his wife. My mother died. He went to Vancouver.
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So I'm old were you then?
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When I showed up don't know how long my mother when we arrived. We were just three little over three years old.
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Do you remember your mother at all? No, no. Who did did it once? She could remember. Isn't it? Sad? It is sad. Yes. And you were very fortunate that you had Maria to to
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to watch me even when Pierre we launched we just had good children as
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if we were her. Oh, so he was like a little brother really? To us? Yeah, she was like when did you girls help look after
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the English so different clips. They know. Your phone. You have a doctor on the island but you have to walk over to try if you wanted him. You couldn't recall any of the details.
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How did you get around on the island yourself? By the horse and buggy or did you children have horses? Yes.
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We had a horse. Two horses on the beach. My uncle Bob. Yes.
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But were you children.
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Did you write them all? No, not for writing. Not in old days. They were only made up workhorses. So if you
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went anywhere you had
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that Oh yes, just for fun and good, but they were not really very good. And every one of them tried to show me off all the time. And he stood up on his hind agent. So they weren't, they weren't your mate but no one was very good in the body. Be made for riding horse in those days is considered a luxury. Yeah.
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Did you have jobs to do on the farm? Oh, yes.
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As soon as I was old enough, I began to milk the cows to do nearly always have to sometimes
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was that was for your own milk soy.
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Milk with cream made the pottery. Did you sell it at that time to know just the beginning but no afterward? Of course many quite a few years after we would. And she said we have a very good query and we used to sell a cream to the cream really we turn now so what had been a mountain but at a certain rate that we wanted them and give you a check
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for the rest of the now. This was the Ganges cream where you so your uncle was part of that group then who? Yes. Did he take the milk in or did someone come and collect it to your windows
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and have to take the creaming as soon as I got when I was 12 years old, I used to drive the chemo host to carry myself.
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Ah, now this was what I was wondering. Yes. If you had been
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creamed, you know, to make a little money if nothing was a price that we know. Everything else was cheap.
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Did your uncle have any vegetable gardening?
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No, not a vegetable gardening? is a thing that I did wants to go.
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See? Yes. So. So he was mostly a dairy? Yeah. You said dairy? And did you have chickens then
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for few years? Not for Sonny? Not just a few for their house? Probably.
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How did your uncle make a living then?
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Well, he did for a while he didn't do it. He didn't stay very long, because we didn't like to treat him busy doing the house and everything. So we took his own by and then he went off to do them. Whoa, you know, the war broke out in three years after in 1913.
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With new lead to Britain. Yes. During the
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war, so of course he didn't have a chance to do his job. But when he came back, he was teaching for a while. You know, Victoria? Oh, and then he got into war with another man from the dollar. He got into the correspondence school. Yes. He's not too busy with that calendar.
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So Maria was here on the farm. Yes. was transferred back by the
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farmer. I don't know how long it Vancouver then he went to San Francisco. Do you? Well, by that time, my brother which no matter you know, yes. No doubt then he took my brother. They both lived in San Francisco. My brother became what you call the sea? Change trailer? Yeah. train conductor conductor on the
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San Francisco trial. Yes. How fascinating. Keep in touch with you. So you've had letters from
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when my dad was still in Vancouver Mikey used to take us with a steamer.
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Oh, I'd love to hear about that.
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We're going into going along to Vancouver and still do civil with him and come back and forth. Oh, wow.
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All right now that see your two little girls and you're all dressed up and your aunt is going to take you to Vancouver? Yeah. How do you get from the house to Vancouver?
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Tell me about it. From you need from here? Yeah. Oh is a horse and buggy. Okay, you vote you should stop at I don't know whether we did it. Sometime they came to even turn over. Whether we took her death Fair. Under all veggies I can't remember what we used to go quite often and spending several days but of course once he went to that until we're center fiscal we didn't do it goal will be to send them to school now. Was it I didn't Shepherd Cisco very much later in the year.
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Yeah. Was it unusual for people to go from Saltspring to Vancouver? Yes. So you will be quite busy telling you
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I didn't care much to go but I really do have to get to Vancouver but I do like to dream. I'm not a single
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did you stay with your father there? Or did you stay at a
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boarding house? They were able to stay with him?
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Have you any idea where it was?
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It's hard to record change the word yes.
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I wouldn't know Vancouver. Heavily to Vancouver. It's a big city.
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How old were you when you started school? When I started
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school at I think it was 11 in those days you know that took quite a while but I just published over 30 authority was trying to make us go to school so I went for a short time at atention fair would move the UCB a little red schoolhouse
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we went to full width school
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why and then and then after that we checked my auntie managed to get the dashboard it and it was cool. It was cool was Mrs. Holly she lived just not on the property where Johnny is oh yes yeah the house I think it's still there where they don't know whether the people are stealing did they enlarge our built another house the one that are leaving the goose down
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they built another house they rent that one they have rented that one oh yes
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the house with the blue roof
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were there any other children going to Mrs. Housing yeah
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if you have a wish six six or seven Do you
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remember any of the names?
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I remember your Peter copyrights and peach in the garlic Yang and Peter Turner care costs my cousin here what do you still already go to school? Because by that time we're quite a quite a bit older. I don't know what I've been teaching you
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before. Had Berea taught you at
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all. Oh no. We do. After one is when I went to the other school my brother had gone being to lambda school to for a while but then you then we might do how? Yes, I didn't like it
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did you speak French in the home at all? Oh yeah. We spoke French too. Yes, sir. That you were bilingual from Yeah, baby.
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We learned from playing with English children. You know, that's the way children learn from children. Yes. We never went to school to learn English. We learn English with the children without children around us. Yes. Wonder Girl go to have them were marked our agent they were speaking French as well.
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Do you remember who they were?
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Yes acheivement we were eight them and she was belonging to the Big Eight group and the joy convinced children oh, you should be on water we have the cold air
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now you speak of them as being almost neighbors Yes. So but they weren't new children traveled around quite a bit I think well, of
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course we go when the war broke out. You know, not all murder but the man who came and lived on the farm to take care of the animal. So my auntie for a while left this this house and went near the joy commenced on oh you moved over there key that used to be a man that called capital, capital capital and we used to have In a regular house so we live there for a while but this person was on the phone took so bad care on the phone but largely focused solely on the phone
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now, at that time John and your father come by No, they
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didn't know they didn't come back. Oh, my God, we still where we buy them each time for Well, I can't remember now
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after the First World War, yeah, the First World War.
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Paul came back. Oh, yes, he came back
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and continued on the farm and you girls continued living here. Yeah, being here and helping with the farm. And then Pierre, was in the Second World War. He went to the second world did he leave before the war? Or did he help on the farm to
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win he helped quite a bit on the phone first, and then he rejoined PPCLI. And then after that, from there, he joined the army there Airforce with the Canadian Air Force. Men, white men listen to Julian.
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If he came back safely,
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yes, you came back. You had one one crashed it was not her.
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Now, I was interested to find out that the Santa Lou family were Catholic and the Beyonds were
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when I was listed. Yeah. How did you
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get along with your church?
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We didn't do at that time we get lucky, Richard. But when? When we were both old enough, we were always going to the Anglican. So then we changed my name. Or would you call that when you didn't you choose? So you were not confirmed?
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Yet? You were confirmed in the Anglican Church? The Catholic Church? No,
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no. Oh, one when we were little I'm sure we I don't know what to do with children. My brother, we still are Catholic, but good. I deny we both see, my auntie with prostitution. And so with my uncle.
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So then that that's one of the ways you went.
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He was born a Catholic, but she became
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she turned. So I just wondered because you're rather at the north end of the island, and the only Catholic Church. Time was
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And I wondered, did you know the bidden court will Yes. I wondered if Maria had gone to church at their chapel at all. For your
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time doing no wobei. And you must say wasn't a church going? She
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wasn't strong. So it was difficult in those
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days. And yes, yes.
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This is what I was thinking.
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When it passed away, and we got going, we don't put the thing on the farmer sells out.
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Remember when she died?
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years. So the war is the first world war was ended and the men have come back. Yeah. Now you didn't carry on with schooling then after Mrs. Halley. Well, no,
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we went up to the tree during the trip, but I didn't do any more schooling. No, I began to work more
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on the phone. So you helped out on the farm. After the First World War? Did they expand the farm at all? If they did, they grow anything in the way of vegetables or more. So
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my uncle but my sister and I did yeah, we are not in active mode admit the death of my uncle.
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Yes, yeah. That happened when we were left on the farm and but when you were children, you just stayed around? Yeah, help.
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Me My uncle was teaching in Victoria for one Vichy reducing government
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that correspond to
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Saudi doo doo
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with it's very much expanded you can get university courses now. So he was in on the bottom of something quite important. Now Francoise came back I understanding the 30 Yes
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DNA and they bought the phone that were missing Davis mean that horrible pieces went down to bottom row
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and that was a barren road and It adjoins this property so they had the tooth
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he also had the marsh I see if he had kicked it he was open of money Yes we all say that those days
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those are the families that did very well did you go into Ganges very often
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we go into the fish once or twice a week and even Where did you
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get your mail?
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Because gotta have to have to go to wherever mailboxes are now right at the end of the road it's never never got my note closer than later on maybe we will win the people by the locks here I don't know but I used to go to get the name we usually have these old fashioned mailbox you know knock the remit is to go and get the mail well I don't say wait every day every day but every so long to get to me
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Did you have a car by that
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not not right away? We just started driving one of the small early for what do they call them teams for for Special Needs Yes. And who that who did that belong to my my uncle. But he didn't like driving in every single as soon as we go to college and now you're going to drive so you were
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the driver the family that was unusual in those days to
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teach your lesson you taught yourself or you know
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you weren't very old who know
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when I started driving Mauna Kea and then after that I got the model and then for a long time we were just using an old wagon box
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did you go to many parties or have much of a social life?
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No Not very much. Anyway so we're on Discord at Christmas time and know what Truman and Ozy used to where we had to work on the phone we have to do anything you know you must remember we didn't have water coming down we had to go and carry out your from the screen so all that took a lot of energy and time so we didn't have very much time to work very much we get plenty of exercise I always love and so be put out in the scenery
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enjoy trees and things do you remember when the electricity came in the
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50s but what exactly
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before that we did use a bit of the gasoline maps over Adelaide you know mental
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hanging last map it gave a very nice start again and you have to fill out every day so many things took your time
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you didn't have to worry about
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wishing to have more time than we do now when they told me it takes no not very long to get together understand time seem to speed up.
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Now I understand that your sister Paulette contacted polio. Yeah,
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we were up shut up. We weren't on this one
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did they take you into Victoria to the hospital?
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No, we couldn't my brother had to go and get to doctor but of course he was just a very he had just come in to practice you know you remember who it was a big change to beach. The his father was a doctor here and then his son had just graduated his Oh younger to be the young doctor. Yeah.
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But that's how we think of him isn't it? And from then on, she was not able to work as much with you
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for watching. quite bad you crippled, but my auntie took her well while she was here my uncle had tried also do have been told that there was a Japanese doctor which was very good. We used to put little tiny keys on the back of the people in preschool to help you try that but it didn't do and then my MTM. Don't ask me the date but she went to willy nilly with a special doctor for three months in the hospital. And what did she'll didn't do very much.
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They tried everything he could, you know, maybe she would have been worse. I don't know.
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She was still in relief, but she could get about with a stick release. And she was wonderful. She used to love to go in the garden and read in the garden and that she had a mother who had the most beautiful garden here the car couldn't get early on when he got and the period used to come and you couldn't see the garden and we shouldn't be to
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what did you grow in the garden?
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For the summertime it was a good deal of geraniums he's like
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flowers Did you know yours? Yeah.
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And my uncle had really good quality our I refused to do so we had all kinds of
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dead dude got water piped on by that time,
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you'll hear very satisfactory because in those days, it used to be these big, long, galvanized pipes used to always clog up I don't know how many times I used to go up, way up there on screwed up and put a washer to let the water come down. So during the war, the Second World War, I finally decided to put a cover to cover all the way down which would cost a lot of money for the company and own coffee which $300 just sustaining paid off because they never clog up.
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Now you've got your own water supply. Yes. From the spring.
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It's a spring that comes into the basin.
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Have you ever had any trouble with the salt or the sulfur getting into the spring?
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So you're not near that but that he tasted the water for I don't know how many years addicted years. He would come and see can we go and test your water? That was interesting. Sure. I never heard from that. So it must be all right.
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So you don't have any of the Salt Springs on your own.
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And it comes right up on the hill. You've seen a countdown by gravity. No, hopefully it comes down to the shale and then there are two big steep hills and then you set the bottom and then in the shape that it
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isn't that wonderful?
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I don't know where it comes from. They must be an underground
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Just don't ask just enjoy it now and after the depression and France fall came back did your brother John come back with him?
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Yeah, he came back when they leaky and when he bought that blade that fall? Yeah, I mean they both random. They had sheets and they had a
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few chickens and things like that. And my but my brother and Sam was working more to lose the days driving trucks and get you what you call supply store in Victoria. So you read up on me and then of course he became sick he had a heart condition and also got gallbladder
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to ailments Oh dear, so your father died. Quite a good age though, didn't he? He didn't died or 1966
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where he must have been forgotten. When you die,
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and Paul and Maria had died earlier, yes, they both died earlier. So at the end of the Second World War in 1950 or so there were just you two girls. And Pierre, did he come back?
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Oh, no, he stayed in Ontario. That's where he got married. We know. He didn't come back to the well, not not
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to go. Did he come back to live on Saltspring?
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No, no, no. He stayed in Victoria. He had a business in Victoria. And he raised his three sons and for Peter.
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Did they come at all to the island?
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Yes, occasionally recover. I saw more Catholic, because he was running their real estate business.
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So you were so it was John was living on the other? And then you two girls, were by yourselves up here?
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Yes. And then my poor father passed away. About how to do drop dead in my water my fields. With a terrible shock for me. I heard the dum, dum bat and I went to see what it was.
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And that was in 1966.
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No, we're not quite sure. Now.
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What was the date?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. After that, my brother couldn't leave alone when my dad. So we came in did do with us here. And he saw the piece that was tearing your face from the marsh to my room. So that leaves with us. And then he passed away in 60. Then we're just left us to
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know at that time, did you have the chickens then after the Second World War?
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Yes, we had the chickens. when I really started in a chicken in 40. Started in a small way, how many did you have? When we were running up chicken business? I used to have a bunch of salty birds on the farm. And you know, because I would get six, three, we get 300 baby chicks every six weeks. So by the time before I have we had gotten you know, killed after a certain amount they would be able to for a while they oversell to burden and they go down and up the game again when I got my new 300.
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Did you sell the little little ones to other people?
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No, no, we did. We bought physical ones. And raised in the order chips and reasons for me. And again, you could stop within about six weeks or when you're 16 Different people who want a very small one that we keep raising and you want to keep a few big one that will go up to 10 pounds. 10 pounds.
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I see an interesting story about the Chinese people coming and buying chickens from you.
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Did I Yeah.
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John was telling me about it. Yeah. What did you say about the Chinese people?
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I was on my own that was when when we were still there. With my uncle or auntie one or the other. We still have them and these nice Chinese people used to come and buy all our Uber when they finished me. We would come and pick up all the birds. They would give you a pretty high centerpiece. They never gave you very much but you have to
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get rid of them. Now did these people live on the island?
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Oh no. They came from Victoria. We would come from Victoria. And they knew about the time we would have them you know some radio and he would come and pick them up. Take them off in their trucks. No they already had trucks by man. Oh yeah. We used to take them to the toilet. And he used to always bring you a job they said ginger You know Daddy ginger
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for for you To
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the family as well as paying them so you'll see nice
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people that quit and I always enjoyed Randy King because I don't know what you seem to like to life and so much
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more than one family came or was it just one person when
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I think it was fun father and maybe some two maybe three sometimes we would come I think they would have seen them
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and they were the pigtail the cue Oh no, no I don't remember maybe
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you've said before that they had taped yes
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yeah sure you say that they could they didn't in those days you know it is not too long that is not us know
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why as a child I remember that very vividly
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the question being asked we didn't see many people for for us for all i put it line by it we used to enjoy them come and go to something some interesting and then we got rid of our burden do
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Did you did you go to victory yourselves very often. When I got
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I started doing when I was driving a car. Let's go to Victoria. Would you did you
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take the car from Fulford or did
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they didn't have the I don't think he had no I can't remember how soon they had that we should use one but anyway, I used to go home because I didn't want to drive over the nose this day.
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So you would go to fall for it and into Sydney and take it and then would you drive into Victoria or we can take the train and so I haven't been
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for years and years.
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Is that where you bought most of your clothes then?
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No washing we used the catalog.
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Catalog? Yes. Tell me about the catalog.
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The catalog we used to firm they used to send us big catalogs all the time and then we used to send all our orders still nice she'll still does it but that's really stupid
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did the did the parcels come by mail or did they come by boat
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depending if it would have big enough or reordered it would send it to the boat or otherwise or not received
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would come back
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to the way depending on what you had on when you did all your things your closing shoes and things from that way there was practically nothing at that time on the island and very much
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that's what I was wondering about the moment stories they carry.
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Well not after one we've begun to deal with them. But most of them I guess we enjoy doing it by the catalog because you know you'll get on the whole three cheaper and you get more of what you want.
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And a greater variety. Yeah, probably two Yes. I understand that you do a lot of knitting and crocheting and
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we're small but I haven't done you're not doing it now. I don't do any more.
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Who taught you to do those things when it didn't
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need a wonderful show who you saw wonderfully well, she used to but I never I got so busy, which was more of an outdoor person work. So I didn't do much never did much showing or anything but I used to do with knitting and crocheting and then once you get those supplies from the Eden's catalog and the patterns, yes, we did tattoos from Manisha
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the maria Made pillow lace. Oh, yes. Did you ever do that?
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Yeah. No. What about your sister Paulette. Was she able to do that sort of thing? Was it just your legs that were bothered? Yeah, she
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but she used to be able to do she would do credit or not to the showing to you know, she has to do something on myself. I didn't I used to do It was more watching on the outside
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and now you are just down to a few cows
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yet six skills every year for one I'll have 12 and then sell six one which are ready to be sold and winter one not next year
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and how many chickens do you have now?
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I would think together we'd have about 150 which selling a few oh they're still making a few aids now so I'm keeping them on to my did they finish meeting until not put it later he need the beads
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and you sell them we're going to be repeating ourselves here but you sell them to people around this North Island
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who do you sell them to again cheese
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different people in game Oh ice I leave some at the pharmacy for doesn't the pharmacy go to severe he can he or
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she takes two doses Do you have a special day when you deliver all your anguish
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except when we shot a budtender otherwise I'm supposed to go out three days a week and four days home when I go out on them monday wednesday and friday that's my eighth day
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I see the base you just raise and then sell to local people or
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people older than me then they take care of getting the beat down you know what you call who
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and you manage all this completely by yourself now
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it's up to help manage your thing but everybody's going to
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don't give me a hand locked he was here today he helped me water the birds and
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I I suppose I should ask is there a specific kind of chicken that you go by
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present gifts and just what they call them like for them I think he got Nick up just in lumber now not a name to number but I forgotten the number there are little brown hand
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and they produce brown eggs which are almost exclusively sold on salts pronounce
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for some reason prefer the brown eggs and then of course we have what they call what Jen and I do is what we call fish farming you know you don't go to the stores
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and what about the vegetable garden? Is it just for your own use or
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I don't have any vegetable garden now but I'm lucky I got two or three different people come to get chicken the new for me from the beginning in the end and then he surprised me all summer long was really nice vegetables so all summer I don't buy vegetables.
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Isn't that nice?
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That's all and it just marks you mentioned during the winter that I put our freezer lot to anything that can be frozen if you freeze them as soon as you get to them it's very nice and juicy is good distraction
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I'm fascinated by this home which is delightful out do you happen to know when it was built?
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No one except that they came in 1910 and Easter Myoko started building very soon. I would say 912 Or maybe are very late 11 or 12
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And did he build a by himself or did he have
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Mr. The old and you have to call him all again. Almost there be no beach. The road name is Charlie benders choose named Charlie very cheap. Real cup of coffee.
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Yes He built a lot of homes
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to build fish whether they had served no no no no not when you think always heavy means you wonder how two men could do it but maybe they did
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well of course at that time too There was friends for as well so they would be three good sturdy man
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yes it well for a while there was a shoe that made three minutes time we still
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saw the net went up quite quickly then.
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But they never quote their attic is meant to be finished with the two World Wars it put a kink into it Yes.
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How did they heat it in the beginning? And do you still you've got electric heat now.
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I used to have you all Yes. And then I gave up the oil because oil stove for cooking the you couldn't get the pouch pouch. Yeah, I know when you would ask me to do you're still aware it wrong one time the left me five days. We don't. Not one person would come on your show.
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I was wondering about that. When as knows Do you have problems getting in and out of your driveway? We're
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not no but did we did Yes. We did we
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eat your own
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all the way out to walk to the deep deep snow and the garage comes to feed. Each of them comes to feed my steer in the winter. She comes back with their skis in cross country ski.
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This is September the 15th. And we were again talking to Simone Chantal Liu at her home. We thoroughly enjoyed hearing about your family like to learn a little bit more about the area. Now if you could help us Simone, you were telling us about the different people that lived across the road from you. I believe the Hollies had property there and who was beside them
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aside they had a
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read out Yes.
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And they later sold their property
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Yes Did they do sold their property and
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I think he felt a
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little mixed up because one of my father owned the pub downspout the marsh I don't remember what it was.
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Maybe for Mr. Leach. Nobody true
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laughter was later than
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and then the garnet Young's came
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down again. What's the next one? Mutual resolve? Yes. The next would be
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and that was that was the Fernwood farm.
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Yes. The big thing was coming. Ah, like
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and did that up front?
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Right of that.
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Did they all farm?
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No. Yeah, in those days, they all are born all the fields that go nowhere, you know, like wherever Jan leaves it. People know that you should be huge to atheists are most of them all gone over to call the toll road overdue and what you should get out of it. Where the Hackerman leaves on. punch line three. And
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then it was mostly the field crops that they were growing
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at the call your own hay, your own vegetable and everybody had two or three cows. And before they tracked your state they all had mostly horses or more. That had to be fed to you use it.
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What about orchards? Were there any orchards at the north end of the island?
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Yes, and most people had a fairly big long
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for selling to Victoria
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so not very much not sure about
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and what about the famous Salt Springs when actually mostly on
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my own there
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take young had a little bit of take the best one were on
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and were they real springs or just yeah
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you could see where they are around the board it would be there'd be nothing growing and you could see the salt I don't know what they've done with them now.
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But now you mentioned that you used to go on picnics with the whole family go together I'm
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not my uncle but my auntie and my brother were by that time my brother was already leaving either Vancouver or San Francisco with my father
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and whereabouts Would you go for your picnic?
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Well we used to we used to often stop from the turn would go fishing. What would you call that? When you go when I call for fishing and down here the
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community channel so y'all may have pointed at one time
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well yeah, we used to have big picnic then we wouldn't go boating we just have wood you mean he was very nice those days? I don't know where did he use it now?
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It's episode cold if you call wet you're cold
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I never did like to walk away much but I didn't mind a picnic and watching yet
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would you meet with other families
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and they know today's my uncle was very friendly with Gavin not Desi. The owner of the store which is named Gilbert the partner that you never knew. Did you
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remember when he
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well anyway they had a big vocalist and Dykeman to a good friend
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is not nice so you would be out on both trips
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What did you still love it? I'm not happy on season
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two were you children allowed to go down by yourselves at all? Or did you usually go with the adults
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we used to go with
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there wasn't much free time I don't imagine
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we still kinda young I suppose.
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Now we spoke about the fall fair and I'm interested to hear what kind of things you entered
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when you're seeing your fakes
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and age but you never my age never counted very much because they want to deal with a very orangey yolk so they discarded because that I never pay you know you have they have to be on grass laughs on teaching the AP which can eat you but you're on your visa
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yes that orange because I let them out. Oh yes. No, I know what
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my public negotiate objective
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now you mentioned the old fair. Where boats was that held
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at the Ganges where the school their big schooling? Yeah, we used to have the school wasn't there then and we used to have put up for that. We used to lay exhibit that animals do. Cows
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did you take care your cows and tuck your
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chickens I think I can't remember. No, I don't think life
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Didn't you tell me that there was a big poultry house there? For exhibiting the chickens and things at the fair? Who you think would be quite big? What they have a school?
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That's right. Yeah. How's
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school? Yeah. Did you ever win any prizes for any of your? Not many.
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I never want you to be too serious
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about knitting or crocheting. Did you ever enter any of those things? My sister and I used to do an awful lot of this. And I know the answer. Now, you were mentioning to me earlier about a correspondence school?
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Yeah. Well, that's why I'm here uncle was shocked to death. If we have a data for God, no, no wonder stuff started that. Put a man called Gippsland in Victoria. His his Sunday, the famous doctor, Dr. Williams, in Vancouver. Na, there's work to be smashed in love and documents with Harvey and
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together they will the schools will include and
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John said they're still doing they're still using at school. How did they eat to eat?
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Now how did he work? Was it for the children on this island?
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Oh, yeah. He wanted to do my cousin shall belong to it for a while and then they got it leave. They wish they had had to school at the opposite. Yeah. Yes. School why, but that didn't last very long. In that tape attached to that, but become discouraged. After the period of having a school in Ghana, they started the school. And of course, he had quite a lot to do with the healing
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happening now. Did the lessons come from Vancouver?
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You mean, the next?
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Yes. The lesson material. I
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will just talk more Victoria. Oh, I
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From the government. Yes, there was government governance
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was the game we're working with a school in education?
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That's what I wanted to find out. Thank you. And so your uncle then would get the material and did he help the students here on the island?
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For No, not necessarily they just whatever it was to get it going and you know, because they weren't quite how they had quite a bit of trouble they get started for the course from the jail for the children. I couldn't go to school. Of course I think it didn't have to be very young ones, you know, heighten it before high school high school.
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That's fascinating. So this would have been possibly in the 20s then
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redacted when it came back from the front many businesses a lot of chicken then he went into this business school versus schooling Ganges and it fell through there was not enough people bother sending their boards because you're just four boys. And then we got this idea of hitting the school college paper so that the children could be home and yet have been retrieved.
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Yes, it was expensive to board them in Victoria or Sydney. Some of them I think went to later on when they got their high school. And he did this after we had the large chicken. I have an idea and again all right. Now when
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he came back and had a few old we'd have some always had soundcheck. When he came back
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from World War One, he developed this much larger country.
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chicken house which year two or three years after one, the nearest to the rule comes up coming here is the one big thank you for that came out on my own Well hello there and then we have Richard held down
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and you said you had how many chickens at one time? I told you how you certainly didn't eat all those yourselves. So what I was
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doing he was able to help and my head he did but he was not she used to work there
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What did he do with the chickens?
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When we had the age you know the main hall
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way And who did you sell them to
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noise down there we have margin and they would sell them on the island or send them what to check this we go to great what the color grading station see why Dwayne has an overloaded chicken that already had his graded station? That's the best that I can know.
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But you sold them directly to morons
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yes I think the notes down
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Yeah, and then they looked after what about the chickens themselves?
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Well we're not selling chicken at least once. Every once here we have to sell all the all the birds by you knock at least for your range that you don't have sale. Oh, you can see having two majors and then raised the next year. Imagine we used to certain salad when you go to China when you used to come and buy our chickens and the one we didn't want anymore.
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At that time harbor House Hotel was an operation Mrs. Crafton Yeah. Did you sell any of your chickens or eggs to
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nature nature? Yes, but that was more when I was on my own running the farm
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I began to do what was more fulfilling
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when he went to Asia for a while most of the time they had their own phone and the occasion you get hit by each other by chickens. You should have desire to use such a lot if you have some time you always have special customers that he would buy. Yeah,
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yes. I had heard that as a matter of fact. Some of the members of the family that worked in the hotel Yeah, they made it they had gotten there as well. We have mentioned about the neighbors of what about the Gavin mower farm. You said it is joined your property
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go down there. She used to go for a long long way in and we were to cross we go up the hill and then we have to heal and then it goes all the way down to the penny just the lead comes down to the line lionfish Fujiko never say now belongs to my eye over next for a good part of the week we were on the main page of Gavin
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and that farm was eventually split up I noticed that the sunset drive road is not on the earlier match. Do you remember them putting that road in
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remember for today putting that road going up to what I used to call it I call it gavage hill you probably do not want to hear go up? Yes but I can't remember I can take nature that they may do. Rudolph you know very terrible hills there. They couldn't go around for a while. But that can't remember what 19 is.
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And what about Sophie point was that
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well that was quite early because I know the more to use do get annoyed not getting like I mean we get a bit more used to have a place there. My family used to go there on off. Always when visiting. We went to set the point they had the stage but I imagine now there's a lot more but they used to be more guilty. It probably some other morning.
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Did they have their vote
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there or did they keep they had to vote. So that was where you your uncle would go visit to
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that we have got a lot of information from you. And I appreciate you taking the time to do this for us. Was there any other little things that you had thought of that too little things happening
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after we when we began to do our own I began to run the farm myself you know, you know running a follow up because a lot of things have happened.
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I'm sure there were what
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was different lead gen to the we will follow their country? I did I think I did tell journalists I used to get used to have a lot of cows we have quite a few cows to go once a week and pick up his skin headed to my chickens.
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So you sort of helped each other out in a sense then
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and he was also a man that vegetable to the tree we're both working
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and did you sell to the trading store as well as more? Or did you
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Oh, just to the trading store? Well yes, the vegetable only went dude, intriguing store and the good part of the tiny hot moist store. Trading that's the ordering to all our chickens practically surely very many children, very few customers. But when they changed to the supermarket, they wouldn't buy my chicken list of new people that came in. They would only have bought it but I would have to travel my head quantity they wanted
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needed they needed to do it again.
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I wasn't going to start hiring people because if you hire too much outside of casual help, we've never had people begin to lose too much trying to get to me.
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Were you bothered by the marketing boards that came in in the 30s? Yes,
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yes, but they never they never
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saw the Mises market
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you will need to know today we used to sit there had cows. We used to I never show a limb but the funny part is I wouldn't have been allowed to sell nails but I was allowed to sell cream they have funny ways of doing this he said oh you if you want you can sell cream but you can't sell milk so we sold a lot I used to go with chicken cream and vegetable
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loving for the people that were your customers what were you did it take anyone it was in his heyday the creamery in Ganges
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the creamy Oh yeah, we should take our daughter the extra cream would always go to the greenery you know like after a while when I got bigger than the chickens and bigger in the garden. We only get two cows and no washing too much but just for yourselves
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more that time
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the query also fell apart for large for the polymers once they got pasteurized milk
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they ruined our
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regular little cream that we used to have before we set all our stuff is pretty they're pretty really good but your back on them didn't have to make what everyone wanted you know give us have to discount and then when they begin to do all these fancy business heavy metal mill has to be faster I
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shipped the one product, the extra beat the heck out.
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So that's one of the reasons that the query didn't keep going and was because of that.
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What are you getting to yes, yeah, I don't know when to stop but it's a long time. doesn't have to be going out with free
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Wi Fi it was a very old and
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everything else to buy all that extra milk and there was quite a lot of people are selling milk as well we no longer have cows just to sell milk but they were super to stop poisoning the people we take on his nanny government because he's creamy milk and the people who eat Go me nuts you couldn't keep a bottle of milk
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very long before
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even the one that you get now you got to use it very quickly as it goes it doesn't go sound like it goes
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down. Did you have a cold place to keep
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your milk for a long time? We didn't have fridges that no so we used to keep our cream and milk industry spring which was an all wheel companies alone walking all over them
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No wonder I love dig with all
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how far away would the spring be from your house
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it's way past the road you know where the road can see now we have to go a bit further inland but the bottom line with that with big shock Germans you go down to go to the first
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when you leave the house they're all those big trees
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do you remember
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sorry Do you remember when they brought water into the house?
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Yes we got no dirt quite dirty mouth water but you used to have those galvanized pipes and those days do you do not dissolve galvanized and they will take the mud rushed in the middle of yellow and if we do it before you knew it you have bills to pay for I used to have to go and unscrew the pipe push your water shoot clean them every so long. So during the war years during the war that's another job that big package did for me comfortable all the way down. And I've never had problems except where the Norwich ruined Doom and then Mr. Mr. Wiggly did some jobs are here. Pieces of paper so long
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and Diffic betters lives. This is a big b e t t i s s this family lives nearby
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here. No they don't know
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what you're right at the bottom of turmoil, you know, you go
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very close. fairly close to the to the
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And you tell me that he married a lady called Myrtle pandeli Yeah, and Myrtle had helped your aunt Yes. When was this when your young cousin was born? Yeah,
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well not when he was born but he was
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still small if it to the ones who were doing it
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I don't know how many years ago
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you would you were quite small. When she also be looking after you girls as well.
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Maybe not necessarily but she would have been
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a house you know
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helped me to be here. But we also just were able to hold the baby.
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So she was just generally helping you around on the farm and helping you at work. What are you doing the wall? Yes, we
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left if my auntie left the house she is and we live down a little further than where the bed needs. One of our cat kitty volunteers. Oh, reducing poverty there. We didn't have the poem rented rented because we put a man Nike put the mask on having known
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and you're where you used to live. Where they used to own the place where
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if you weren't at the end of the road after you pass your will to go down there. Where will you go? Division house right at the end runs how used to leave I don't know where they are now.
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Where the Ronnie's name that was heavy yesterday. wouldn't hire you doing what they give to you live on
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the farm and I guess Manti didn't want to live with him here.
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You did such a poor job that we've stayed poor job with a phone. I don't know how many years we stayed actually, I need more money. So that will be more down at
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Know why just a matter of interest why it's called Walker's hook.
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No, I don't need wasn't just always called that gay members call me. We used to offer them for picnics to remind you.
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Yes. Well, thank you so much, Simone. This has just been delightful. Giving you in the right.
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Are you interested in when Simone used to drive