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Charles Sampson with anchors

Charles Sampson with two sandstone canoe anchors which he found on separate occasions on the beach west of the Government wharf in Fernwood, Salt Spring Island. The artifacts suggest the presence of an old canoe landing and could date from anytime within the last thousand years.

Charles Sampson interviewed by Chris Arnett

Accession Number 2005.034.012 Interviewer Chris Arnett
Date December 17, 2005 Location Mr. Sampson’s home on Salt Spring Island
Media digital recording - mp3




Unknown Speaker 0:01
So tell me about your dad in the fuel from Cooper Allen and they come in via Wolfram like you know, oh my god please they'd walk up there and it's all sit around in the circle outside and they'd all go in there my dad could speak Indian veteran he could English really? Oh yeah. Wow. Like he because his mother was Indian from Cooper and they all got her no language and I never paid attention but none of us get because you know didn't mean nothing to us really when you're growing up Yeah.

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And so they just yeah, he's

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you didn't somebody learn us to learn a few words? No, not really. I'll probably did that but I never

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remember how to count not anymore.

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I really used to do I used to come

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but because my dad he

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we all lived in this house and we're like 13 other centers and you get up and we had you play and mush and other thought sucks. Any good great big part of us until he got up got the Fargo you reach in there and he counted Indian mendini just throw a handful in and handful and a handful in

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the pot boiling

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yards to get up and away we go so how much would these guys buy? Oh, sacks like we had lots of sheep we had

Unknown Speaker 1:29
I really don't know how but they've come to three times in my life of life all the best. Really? Black bullets because that would be for the design where yeah, these are for couch and sweater. Yes. Yeah. So what time period are we talking about like me? See?

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About nine Dean 43 So we're set

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so they would they buy it or trade? Cash?

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Can we remember how much maybe 50 cents a sack or something like that? My dad could release your sheep he was he was really good at

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the old Creamery while when they had a fare down again just like

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he could donate when the sheep sharing contest every year. So they give him like a 20 pound box of butter from the creamy and eco home as

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well as made her own butter

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and then we got store buy butter that was a treat. And real

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Yeah, Starbuck

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my mother they delicious breads you made lots of rice you made a 10 loaves a week because there were so many of us what was it was homemade bread was it by hand and shadow bread makers

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Wow, we're right from scratch by the flour and 100 pound bags

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I was really good but it was kind of like a treat dust get some Bufferin to Yeah, because it was different.

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My kids are the same way like we make our own bread and get the store but

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that'd be that that property or the old the old ancestral

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place I mean the other side of a firmer here yeah 13 Yeah, that were probably that come I think I can remember that that's the or area right there.

Unknown Speaker 3:28
So do you do you recall any stories that your dad told you about the native people in Salt Spring and you said tell me about one the Indians come from so awesome across Oh yeah. And these guys from this are like Cooper and Galliano and all the main island and they used to go fight and Equifax those guys who used to come over and steal all their everything they could, you know, the women and their kids and whenever they can carry in a canoe.

Unknown Speaker 3:58
When they come through actor past all these guys that go there and they shoot arrows down and I'm gonna throw rocks or whatever they could, you know, so you're fighting with the tuason. But there'd be some relations there. I don't know, probably was

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what they wanted to read different tribes, I guess. Yeah.

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He used to tell me that and him and him and his brother. He had 11 sisters and one brother. And that's who I was named after his brother. Okay. And they used to go down to Fernwood area like Walker Hooker and watch them when they come through. Then they run away home and they were only kids

Unknown Speaker 4:37
needs or they're fighting then they when I was a kid, I could hear the tom toms drums going from Cooper Island all the time in our place. When they had to potlatches there was big houses used to have on the beach. I guess your family ever went to any of those or Yeah, my dad did several times.

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But yeah, okay. The drummer is going from our

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I was wow

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and then I never thought about not about it because just during the war that made him quit or whatever happened there potlatches

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Do you remember a native people come down here to clam Oh yeah. Where was it up Hudson pointlessly Hudson point this the squat?

Unknown Speaker 5:20
Did you talk about that? You remember where they kept there? I can't I don't really think so. I can't remember that. I can remember seeing gone from main island to Cooper island for their potlatches when no one arrived. I don't know how they knew when the spotlight was going to happen. But they did.

Unknown Speaker 5:41
Send smoke signals, the word of mouth. People go send out invitations from what I know. And they had canoes and egg rolls and rolls. Really. But they were dugouts. Yep. dugout canoes they roam like robots. So you would see these as a kid home by Fernwood Wow. Like how many at a time like one or two one or two the next day one or two the next day whatever what do you put in your teeth? Oh just nothing actually straight up great

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Do you remember the replay did the cleansing and walking remember them camping there ever? Yeah, no I can't remember the memory cap on there but I know they went there

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no Hudson points into the main I used to go and dig plant at some point myself and we sell them and sacks. Really? Yeah. It's still very

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you still got down no

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I can make mean plan shorter.

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Good clam chowder.

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So tell me about this winds guy.

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Yeah, his wife's name was Amy.

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Done him him and my folks are friends like because they all drove horses whenever had

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my dad used to get really mad at him because he didn't look after sources of good as my dad did.

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He's the guy to live down at Walker's hook.

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Corner forestry but

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he was a good guy

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we used to

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he led us horses Oh neat alongside the road. And they were nice. All horses there were tame like all horses. This is a walking tour. Welcome walking along. And if we fall into this horse's feet and alongside the road with a golf pylon and go for a ride, there's like six kids piling on one horse

Unknown Speaker 8:01
I'm curious about the history of sort of where I live. Like I live in the bay there. And what what was it like when you were a kid there that you recall with a lot was their log dumped down there. I logged on I Love

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My first job good.

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Tell me about

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my brother drove cat fur guy by name and Bill Swanson. Who actually does this fun Swanee pond up and Rainbow Road there. That was his property. I actually worked on that too with him. I was the children on the garden. My older brother Bruce was the cab driver.

Unknown Speaker 8:42
And I was in town. At school. I was going to school and Bruce and Phil Swanson were in town.

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And I was down there and I said what are you guys doing in town this time of day and they said I choke them and just quit and I said, Well, you just have another one. I'm ready for a job.

Unknown Speaker 9:02
So I got to work. I went to her for them. And I was long time before my folks did figure it out that I had quit school. I just go to go to work like I was going to school, take my lunch and we were actually falling down a walker hook. Well, what were they where were they logging down there? Right up above Fourth Street. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 9:25
That's probably the first existence of Fourth Street when we're loud enough on there with us on since cat so they're hauling logs down for see. Yep, well, the forest you didn't exist then. There was no street there. We just the Logan road coming down.

Unknown Speaker 9:40
And we'd follow these trees in the yard encounter lots of hemlock up in there. Right and run all Hemlock that stump like crazy. And then they were waterlogged when you put them in the water and on their net sink so you'd have to put a strap around them and put a dog in to hold it another loss so they won't say

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I was

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doing them in the bay there.

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I worked on the bone there.

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So did they actually have a lock down there? I noticed along the way there's some old houses they're like this is where my neighbors live now on the other side sort of cabins there, right

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you know ROTC was announced right down in the roster you

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see where we went down onto the beach? He didn't go further up at all no, because there's a winter selling old rusted winch down there and

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I probably worked on that

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probably part of our language Yeah. But that's where they've done what's right in the Wall Street and then we take the locks down or push them in the water

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and one time was down there I found that all staff hammer I don't even know where it's at. I got a little staff hammer here from Bill Swanson with a number on it

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I can tell where it's at right now.

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kicking around here someplace. So who would be living down there just this one fella and there's a guy down in the

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Ross street what

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probably Ross

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Yeah. Fred Ross that was his name he worked in what store?

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You ever hear a story of a plum orchard down there?

Unknown Speaker 11:22
No, I talked to Nate lady she said he's gonna walk in somebody's out of plum orchard that doesn't ring a bell I don't know if it was right down at Watkins hook like near the beach or what? Probably right down on what's his name's place

Unknown Speaker 11:41
right down in the hook because there's all kinds of fruit trees down in there. Yeah, like you know the grassy areas yeah he's yeah, there's some fruit trees have one in there but who owns a property called well Colas yeah

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they live in down there there. Somebody down there? I can't there was a house there but I don't know. actually lived in it.

Unknown Speaker 12:05
I don't know if they ever lived there. I can't remember. Maybe a sort of a summer place

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was a pretty big house.

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If you go there you can see where it was. Yeah. burnt down or fell down or something. Yeah.

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So I'm told me about those anchors again, just so I get that down on the tape. Well, I got those from Donald Fernwood. Yeah, and they just come walking along and I kick one one day night and I seen the hole in and I thought it was a hole for blasting.

Unknown Speaker 12:40
Well, why would anybody blast the rock the small so I dug it up and there was an anchor and Scrounger Alphonse I'll show you some arrows. Yeah, so yeah.

Unknown Speaker 12:52
No, but in the same area so I'm curious is it was this same relation to the don't work were about

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to the left to the left in that sort of?

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Bay Area. Okay. So maybe less than 100 feet from the dinette area. So that would be the old probably the old canoe landing area is quite shallow there you know when the tide goes out this No it's old till you bar that goes out to about where the dark goes

Unknown Speaker 13:24
and yeah, tell me again about that was interesting that account of the how the anchor the canoe, ride that

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take a rope, I'm guessing made the ropes on the deer right or whatever heater

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then they'd coil it up and they'd bounce the bouncy anchor right on top of it. So just bounce then they had the other end tied to the shore well along rope push as hard as they could and then they pull it

Unknown Speaker 13:54
on the anchor would top off off into the water. And then they'd make that even faster the shore. Yeah. That and then when they wanted to go get him in, they just take the shoreline and pull hard and that would come in because the those their anchors are rounded on the bottom so they won't grab into the into the rocker, whatever Stoner.

Unknown Speaker 14:15
And you mentioned a significant thing about shaper, the anchors

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there to drop like,

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yeah, so they don't grab in and just drag along. And of course, it doesn't take very much to hold a canoe. Just the way to the anchor. I'll do it. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 14:32
I kinda think the bigger the canoe the bigger the anchor they used.

Unknown Speaker 14:37
Yeah, like those are quite heavy anchors. They'd be for pretty big, maybe even working on. Yeah, definitely a big one. That's where, I mean, those are definitely a native occupation. You can see the mid and along. Yeah, lots of

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lots of shells and when they were heavy, they probably came there and got their plans.

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Maybe he stayed for a few days and Potlatch I don't know.

Unknown Speaker 15:04
Who knows I mean a lot of these old sites now and they haven't really been well studied at all some that are really old and new

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but well let's look at those arrowheads

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if they're handy

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so are you consulted

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for on from Saskatchewan? Oh anybody else in this

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like you know that you're not

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40 years so maybe I

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very close to 40 years well it's Wow You must like it

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well you connect with this huge family it's like all over the world you've been Sunday's reunion say oh yes amazing

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because like that Rocky is really amazing way to piece together all these genealogies and connections

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it's huge

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There you go. Oh yeah. This handle off of these are old hammers. I don't know where the rest Oh yeah.

Unknown Speaker 16:19
No, that would be from a club Yeah. That'd be for boxing

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club or some really

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busted in the crack go whack somebody too hard. Is it

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slay beads are yeah

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these are cool. slates these could be pretty old. Oh yeah. There's one real nice a real sharp

Unknown Speaker 16:44
I mean that whistling Yeah, you know the right philosophy that would go through anything. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's that's an even though because the real start point. You remember where you found these? Yeah, done for him would these would all be from firm would

Unknown Speaker 17:00
I see the picture those record keeping?

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You can take it outside? We're stealing what might be actually this thing

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do you want me to put

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this in there to see if we can get them all just so I can see each one sort of?

Unknown Speaker 17:24
That's another old one. That's pretty bow and arrow? I think so. atlatl points

Unknown Speaker 17:30
that's another one of these slight knives

Unknown Speaker 17:39
Yeah, no, no, it's funny.

Unknown Speaker 17:44
It could be part of a lab rat you know these things I used to put in there every year

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when they got thirsty

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just out to get a shot I want to get everyone Sudha

Unknown Speaker 18:03
a little a little friends a real professional here I would have some kind of a

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ruler. Oh yeah. Do you have a little talk around the hall

Unknown Speaker 18:20
Yeah, that's an old fashioned drill. Like the hole is drilled in the base of this stone club. I couldn't find the rest of

Unknown Speaker 18:29
the rest of this club. No, I couldn't find it. Oh probably stuck in somebody's head

Unknown Speaker 18:37
it's an odd material you know it's kind of fragile. Yeah, shifts do something Yeah.

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But they made a lot of things is that anything was perfect. Yeah, I think that'll be that'll be good. Just don't do it right here

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up might make some Why not very light

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helps a little bit

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the work yeah. Since I get used to this high tech camera, you guys have one of these things? No, no, it's beyond me.

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is the beauty of these things. You can take the picture. So you put it right in the screen there.

Unknown Speaker 19:37
You just it's just a whole different way. Then you go back and there's your picture. Then your chain you know if you don't like it you can delete it. That's the always know what kind of picture you took rather than the old fashioned way which I still use. Oh yeah. And this club Chuck.

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What's working

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sure that's good tea

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clubs really interesting

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so these were found on the beach or just Yeah, incidentally gardening or mostly on the beach. Yep. Great

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that's all my questions

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this amazing like a piece like this, you know, it'd be so well preserved. I mean that's that's pretty fragile.

Unknown Speaker 20:45
nationality are you Chris?

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mix of everything. Yeah.

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See about a half English quarter Norwegian when a small very

Unknown Speaker 21:00
dark? Yeah. My Dad Yeah, I'm a member of taboo, which is a Maori tribe. I have found the Zealand to my father, but through blood and like an eighth. Probably the same as you maybe native content?

Unknown Speaker 21:15
Quarter Okay.

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Definitely, yeah. But in the, in New Zealand,

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they don't.

Unknown Speaker 21:24
You know, unlike Canada, the the tribe decides who the members are. So our, our tribe recognized membership through genealogy, which is the old traditional way, which was, you know, who you're descended Trump. And, in fact, to be a member of nightowl, who you have to, you know, prove descent from

Unknown Speaker 21:40
an ancestor listed in this blue book, which was the census done in 1848. So if you have to trace ancestry from any individual, that book were descended from for those people.

Unknown Speaker 21:51
And so I have all the rights of Omari

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down there. Well, basically, that's the way they do it here, too, you know, you have to be connected to the tribe. Yeah, that's the way it is now. Wasn't that way before though,

Unknown Speaker 22:06
you lose your status, like a native woman would marry a white man. She'd lose her status. Yeah. It was crazy. And now, and as a result of that system, I mean, we set out to, you know, sort of destroy the native government governance system, but but under that system, I mean, I know white people, white women who are full fledged Indians, they got their full fledged Indian status that are no, not at all, just because they happen to marry a male. But this has changed now, as I understand, maybe they still get the status. But But yeah, it was it was not the same rule wasn't applied to women. No, no. And it caused a lot of trouble. You know, kids that were disenfranchised, and they kind of just broke up families and divorce people from their connections.

Unknown Speaker 22:53
But um, but my family's number 14 rated Vancouverite. So my, I can, I can barely remember when they all started bringing that stuff down with those Indians were allowed to go do their own thing, like have their potlatches and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, that was in the chaser.

Unknown Speaker 23:14
When they started it, it actually had effects in different parts of BC over time now, but during the war, they wouldn't

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do any of that stuff at all.

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Really, there was a big effort to stop it or

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get them off. Get them away from their natural heritage altogether. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 23:38
And then the Yeah, and that was their economy, like fishing and hunting was a native economy. And yeah, it was quite sustainable for

Unknown Speaker 23:46
1000s of years. Really? Yeah, they did. Okay. Yeah, no, they did. They did, okay, because

Unknown Speaker 23:53
the system worked fine. resources weren't depleted. And then they started getting once they started separating the natives from their economy. They became poverty cases, and they ended up on you lived on a reserve, you know, in the old days, when they flipped on their little plot of land, the village, I mean, they, they always had access to different places. Yeah, they could go to beaches to clam or pine, some, you know, that kind of life that they had and definitely done in a seasonal way. Do you remember your dad are talking about that? Or, you know, family? No, he was.

Unknown Speaker 24:26
He was pretty well wait, then, you know, he lived on the farm and worked on the farmer army. Belong to farmers and students? Imagine Yeah, I can probably do a gym.

Unknown Speaker 24:38
Because I'm wondering what is that what you're saying about that connected with the farmers and student representatives? Like maybe they only represented a certain group of farmers on the island? Maybe it wasn't all inclusive. Probably. I don't really know.

Unknown Speaker 24:51
Did they not have a membership thing going way back or do you know what they do? But they actually no one's ever put it together?

Unknown Speaker 25:01
Are you a member that pharmacists do? No, I'm not a farmer.

Unknown Speaker 25:06
Although you don't have to be really you know, I don't I don't think so or just have an interest in farming

Unknown Speaker 25:14
so anyway, first moved here, you know, we sort of have that idea of being back to the landers and we got 10 acres on September and grew garlic for a few years. We kept their foreign status for about six or seven years but man a lot of work just to grow enough to meet the requirement off of the farm status of the day which was I think 1500 bucks you have to make

Unknown Speaker 25:35
and so we made that a little bit over that and then it started going on now I hear it's up who knows where it's even more difficult.

Unknown Speaker 25:44
Yeah, that's amazing. But it was probably you know, what was it like when when your dad was running the farm it's sort of a mixed farm he had sheep and yes, yeah, mostly sheep. Mostly she

Unknown Speaker 25:57
you know, when I was a kid we never had two nickels to rub together. No money at all. I never saw any money but we never went hungry at all. If you want to somebody just go out and shoot a deer chop your head off a chicken or whatever happens to be handy and yeah, assume of my mom lots of times got a new job it off the chicken we'll have that chicken for supper that night in the studio.

Unknown Speaker 26:22
Good to a Oh yeah. So what would be luxuries in that lifestyle? And you'd have all your meat and veggies?

Unknown Speaker 26:29
I guess sugars in that salt would be Yeah, that debate. If you wanted to get that kind of stuff like flour and stuff he used to come in 100 pound sacks mush and sugar and whatever heavy and then you'd only get a once in a while and you had some money. Yeah. My dad was about the hardest working man Oliver North. He just worked from daylight to dark every day.

Unknown Speaker 26:53
And of course he never got fade 90% of the time because of that and money. Yeah

Unknown Speaker 26:59
you just get away so well to the Indian shopkeeper Island guys so look to the New City got work once a while like illegal logging.

Unknown Speaker 27:08
Nice logging No, no, his horses were farm horses. Oh, okay. He go all in again. He used to plow a field or flower garden for somebody and get paid to $3 and then go home again. He'd be gone all day because it took all day to go to Ganges. Yeah, we had some cousins down Isabella point and if we went to visit them we have to go on a long weekend because we couldn't go down and back and on a weekend what would be the route you take straight through Ganges what down fairway down? Yeah right from Fernwood right down through Ganges and right to its development.

Unknown Speaker 27:45
And I guess we went around the old road which would which is now Betis road. Was that the only route? Yeah, over the over the switchback. Right.

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But then

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we'd get there in time for software we left the morning

Unknown Speaker 28:01
stay a couple of nights and third when he would leave and come home again to get on night.

Unknown Speaker 28:10
Took a long time. Amazing.

Unknown Speaker 28:13
Yeah, so that one thing another thing I want to ask you about the road walkers. So crow between Fernwood and somebody told me that road used to end like around Fourth Street like you're coming from Ganges. Oh, well, could you go through there was as long as I can remember. Yeah, there was always some route. John Limsa. That road there riding into photo walk or Fourth Street went right to John winces yard.

Unknown Speaker 28:42
Every year he blocked that road off for 24 hours to claim it to keep claim of it.

Unknown Speaker 28:49
Lots of times we go along there you couldn't go through you'd have a fence across the road really? And then the next day can go through again but he had to do that to keep the landline over I guess or whatever. Really? Yeah, people was there sort of a farm in that area like see west of his place? She No no, no.

Unknown Speaker 29:12
He had the biggest clear junk around there I'm quite sure. But yeah, it's not really suitable area of farming anymore

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Unknown Speaker 29:31
story this is a black guy, Jim Anderson who live down here. Yeah, no, I didn't really know him. I just wonder was that place always considered to be kind of a black community over the dip? What do you call it? Rubs and road? Yeah. Okay. That's that'd be the sort of the old Starks Yes.

Unknown Speaker 29:49
Who was your

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tweet? That was Willa Starks? Yeah, huge feet. were scared of me walk around all summer. No shoes on because he couldn't get shoes big enough for me.

Unknown Speaker 30:00
Yeah, and in the wintertime we get a biggest period with the kid and cut the toll offs as his toes could stick out. Because they weren't big enough for him to walk around in the snow and wintertime with with his toe stick and others rubber boots, obviously a tough guy.

Unknown Speaker 30:16
Well, what else are you gonna do? Really? And he would have lived up in this dark place? Yeah, well yeah.

Unknown Speaker 30:23
Yeah, I remember him coming to our house and we were scared to

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go hi

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kid thanks. Yeah

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Unknown Speaker 30:48
yeah, it was fun when you really think about it. I can understand. Are there certain of us in our family and how come some of us never got killed for the things we did? You know?

Unknown Speaker 31:00
Unbelievable. Like, give me an example. Well, we take our dads Reagan take their the shafts off it, tie ropes to that to the axle and that's how we steered it. We go down Fernwood Hill.

Unknown Speaker 31:15
We're going down or like 90 miles an hour because you got no brakes on these things. And everybody's got lean over to one side going around the corner. You flip it right over just like assembled. It's like a big wagon. Yeah. Hey, wagon. Rig. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 31:29
I mean, they're smaller.

Unknown Speaker 31:32
No, I can't remember wave one. Oh, this is totally so my kids with you. Yeah, x is some way that I see kids aren't any different. No, it's just what they know if you're Anza like you

Unknown Speaker 31:44
used to race along the road, on the railing on the dock.

Unknown Speaker 31:51
One guy get on each ramming and we raced out the end whoever got out there first one. But we'd always race out because he fell off coming in. You're going to hit on the beach but going out you'd want land up in the water. Then you'd have to swim to shore. Yeah, he kept going. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 32:08
Yeah, that time used to boil through that by that firm would balk something like crazy Lisa swim out there and I'll just jump in and swim like crazy. It's a wonder someone nerves got swept out to sea or something. Yeah, I've noticed that just drops off there and it just boil through there. And people cut salmon off that apparently. Come in there. At least a good catch caught off the bat.

Unknown Speaker 32:35
probably way more caught around in your tongue. Yeah, in other words, a little scarce

Unknown Speaker 32:43
so what are the recall any cinch term native stuff? Hunters? My

Unknown Speaker 32:51
dad had no he was no, he was a good shot. He had a little 22 high power.

Unknown Speaker 32:57
Man could he shoot but I guess in those days you didn't waste any bullets because you never had any. So

Unknown Speaker 33:03
you better better good At first I'd like Gordon Gordy Lee was saying at the talk you know at the meeting you know about having that one last

Unknown Speaker 33:13
one round. You were there? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta

Unknown Speaker 33:18
Yeah, that was

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one bullet Have you miss you started us? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 33:25
You guys have no idea.

Unknown Speaker 33:29
Oh, no. We never started with that. We had lots of food. Yeah, like here at least you can eat clams on the beach in the very well we do have sometimes nothing

Unknown Speaker 33:40
and no tend to get anything. Exactly. Wow. Yeah, it would be hard. Well that's why everybody has to leave.

Unknown Speaker 33:47
The we had a huge

Unknown Speaker 33:50
my dad used to go under the trees down bear hugs a friend with their

Unknown Speaker 33:55
degree bit of a dip in the ground. Put some straw in there and then pilot pilot spuds in there. We had I guess there were like four feet, high spots and a big area. And then we put a bunch of straw over top and then we covered all over third. And that's how we care for I suppose to the winter

Unknown Speaker 34:15
and the guests could honor and dig a little hole in and reach in and pull out a bunch of sportsmen suffered. So this is sort of a hollow created by a cedar or something not just straw. He put straw underneath it and straw on top and then dirt over top of that looks like a big handsomeness. Okay. And then we'd go dig a hole in there and did they ever free? No, no, no. Yeah, I did that was potatoes. We moved here our little farm down there. Zach's thing we store in between plants and straw. Yeah, and they keep really well and the one year I didn't do annual throws No. Yeah, no that never frozen.

Unknown Speaker 34:52
Those trees it's quite dry. You know, it's they're wet on top and you dig inside and it's okay.

Unknown Speaker 35:00
Did you live near like the old family cabin and you must remember that or knew that well I don't know. I know where it was yeah and just from we had our we had a

Unknown Speaker 35:10
granary up there was was right next to it

Unknown Speaker 35:16
and our barn was right not far from that too.

Unknown Speaker 35:20
We had no hay and whatever have you, sir dad kept with horses

Unknown Speaker 35:27
you remember that Marcia was telling you moto?

Unknown Speaker 35:31
They're just by the way turn off go to school and March. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 35:36
We're down there. Hey, one time. And IV my older sister and my older brother George. Cameras are not. We're having lunch and sitting around and the horse has wandered ahead. My dad uses this letter Fico. We're having lunch and they walked right into business and they took off and they had their history up to the wagon. Like no one around through the gate all the way home. And they both tried to go into the barn at the same time with the wagon right behind the

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IV almost made it She almost got on there. jumped down but she couldn't quit and they were going too fast. They ran all the way home

Unknown Speaker 36:19
for horses Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 36:22
I was telling Andre this morning about when we were out there hanging let me my older brother George were thrown hate onto the wagon. My dad was up there on a wagon driving the horses

Unknown Speaker 36:34
we got this hay stack on there and there was a mouse underneath

Unknown Speaker 36:38
and just about the time I wanted this here this month of hay for George put his foot on it so I got stuck there for upgraded is what?

Unknown Speaker 36:49
You was tough. Georgia is a tough guy.

Unknown Speaker 36:52
My dad was mad because we're fighting George was mad because he had a fork stuck in his foot. I was mad because I got beat up and the most got away

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was only one

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funny yeah

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it's funny

Unknown Speaker 37:28
Well, I think I got everything I need. That's good. You got a picture those anchors? Yeah.

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Are you going oh,

Unknown Speaker 37:41
boy, I have to get my son feud going on. I gotta go back to work.

Sandstone canoe anchors from vicinity of Government dock, Fernwood. Approximately 10 kilos each. Circa 1,000 A.D. to mid 1800s.

Collection: Charles Sampson Collection

Accession number: 2005034003

Slate and basalt points, and steatite disc beads from beach at Fernwood. Collected by Charles Sampson. Slate points date from Locarno (Beach culture type c. 1200-400 B.C) Disc beads from Marpole culture type (c.400 B.C. Ð 400 A.D.)

Collection: Charles Sampson Collection

Accession number: 2005034005

Handle of stone (schist) club with drilled hole. Found at Fernwood Beach by Charles Sampson. Marpole culture type ? (400 B.C. to 400 A.D.)

Collection: Charles Sampson Collection

Accession number: 2005034007