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398_Deirdre-Cropper_Nuemann-Rautenbach-discuss-old-photos_2012.mp312
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12.02.2024
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Unknown Speaker 0:01
I got some because
Speaker 1 0:08
I was cruel to the children. I taught them herbal remedies for everything
Speaker 1 0:18
sort of worked out. Plantain That's right, exactly. The wasp sting is actually a miracle. Plantain works better than anything else you asked me but I don't know that Doc works on nettles things well enough to kill children let's move on. And yeah, but yeah, plantain works on the wasps thing,
Speaker 2 0:48
but plantain is getting rarer and rarer with all their stuff this spring around
Speaker 1 0:58
yeah doc action I can't find Doc as often as I used to and Doc ought to grow next every nettle in England does they're kind the antidote is grown right there whether the offense the offense
Unknown Speaker 1:17
wandering around so Hello Frank Hi. Yeah
Speaker 1 1:33
name Shah Sanskrit from India from U S. H A. No I'm not. I sound as if I'm in it from England but I'm not I'm from the Commonwealth. We're about South Africa. Really? Okay, run far with Northern Transvaal both understand
Speaker 1 2:06
Grahamstown stone Alright. And then Cape Town University. Okay. Yeah, I left when I was seven so I shouldn't but you know my parents were grown up in South Africa Yeah, lives wherever we left at 19 Okay, yeah
Speaker 3 2:28
typed out a bio of our family. Ah, remember and it's only a two full pages and then I went and got all the photographs See All right. Wonderful. How many of you are going to be using this massive display you're gonna
Speaker 4 2:57
be around in five years to see that it is going to be another one
Unknown Speaker 3:02
you will be interested in school
Unknown Speaker 3:11
Yes, yes. Yeah. I will find out turn on my this one
Speaker 2 3:21
no turn turn turn on. And this
Unknown Speaker 3:25
one says I never know if I haven't
Unknown Speaker 3:32
turned on the whole world
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because frankly to look at that first so
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once from those I
Speaker 5 3:41
wonder the at a glance one Lucia is a researcher
Unknown Speaker 3:48
is she good though?
Speaker 1 3:49
She's Yeah, no, that's one way I'm not good. It's that I really like finding things out but I don't want to get on with publishing them merging
Unknown Speaker 3:59
different ones I haven't seen Oh, okay.
Speaker 1 4:01
Oh yes. Yes, yes. Oh,
Unknown Speaker 4:05
you know the ones that are on Internet just see them
Speaker 1 4:10
here here's one lot of them and then there are others that are
Speaker 4 4:17
disease do these come from Bob rush are
Speaker 5 4:20
the ones that are on the internet I guess there are these one certain thing
Speaker 1 4:27
there's the school I think it's just a collection of everything.
Unknown Speaker 4:31
School it's not that's not for me.
Speaker 1 4:33
Ah thank you tell me if it's gonna be house or not see my
Speaker 2 4:39
work several. For me houses first it was started
Speaker 3 4:44
up in the Ganges Hill. And the Reverend Tolson started with nine students. And then they thought it was inadequate. So they moved down. Mrs. Oxenham did her husband passed away to the band does she He moved down there with Leslie Jenkins and her daughter Constance and their gardener, Mr. Walton, and they went down and took over from the house school after the left
Speaker 2 5:12
and then at the bottom of the know that that was on where the mortgage was.
Unknown Speaker 5:18
Yeah, goody, goody rowdy.
Unknown Speaker 5:22
There is no and
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the morgue itself.
Speaker 5 5:25
My mom said it was stolen.
Unknown Speaker 5:30
But then it moved over to the bottom of the hill. There
Speaker 1 5:35
are two parts of Leonard Tolson school because one part is the boarding house and the other parts the classroom and the classrooms down where his house was really close to the ocean and on the other side of the box. They're both on the same side of the road yet,
Speaker 3 5:51
because we're talking about the original one way up can
Speaker 1 5:56
unbutton court row Yes. That one was the book just a boardinghouse you never taught in that that's where they first cut no none of these Tulsans place Yeah.
Speaker 3 6:11
Road prices mirror sides of the pond and fountain dad built and that's the status as to Mr. Bearish and he's built. He built that there. And you got another picture that goes with it. That's it mom and dad their wedding day. June the fourth 1925 In the front door of the house
Speaker 3 6:44
and then dad of course make his own bows and arrows. Myself. Twin sisters. Yeah. Andy how's school? Doing he
Speaker 5 6:59
ended up moving inside of his. Oh, well, these you know, I haven't. These aren't none of these should let you have a look.
Unknown Speaker 7:10
He's written on the back of
Unknown Speaker 7:15
the phone. This is your father.
Speaker 4 7:18
That's me. It could be and he should see a picture of his grandfather. Same as same as
Speaker 3 7:29
never heard of mirrors, hide file. Windows mirrors. You're so young. You wouldn't remember that.
Unknown Speaker 7:35
No. And I didn't grow up here either. Oh two. Oh, there's my thumb. Right there.
Speaker 3 7:51
All right, guys, Johnny and myself. Jimmy Henry price and the mission, Mrs. Reid. Little Joanie Roberts. She had to help out because he has so many people can actually mind whenever he calls her LC price. Joyce Joyce rather
Speaker 2 8:17
named Cindy. No, no. Can I can I start right from the beginning. We are recording this. And
Unknown Speaker 8:32
can we start with your name?
Speaker 4 8:40
Yeah, but he and maybe Frank. Look at that.
Speaker 2 8:45
Oh, okay. You have it written down. Okay. Yeah. So random for the record is September 22 2012. I guess. Okay. You have to have that on the on the record somewhere. And your name is on Deirdre. Yes, Gayatri and Gladys.
Speaker 3 9:09
And when were you born? October 3 1927. At the original lady Mundo hospital up Ganges Hill.
Unknown Speaker 9:19
Now the community services.
Speaker 3 9:23
My mother was a registered nurse up there. And that's when she met dad who had these 20 acre farm up by Moorside farm on the Beaufort Ganges road. And anyway, that's where she lives and they got married and she moved out to the farm. And I arrived about two or three years later than five years after that my twin sisters arrived at that old street now Yeah
Speaker 5 10:05
so I was talking to John today.
Unknown Speaker 10:09
Oh, yes. Is he still a gun? Yeah, no,
Speaker 5 10:11
he's still a galleon when he's talking about coming over, right. Like right now. Joe, Joe John's good. He's so
Unknown Speaker 10:23
twin but you said they weren't
Speaker 5 10:26
twins or not. This one is this one is John.
Speaker 4 10:29
Oh my goodness. Yeah. And
Speaker 5 10:33
he was quite excited when I told him you were coming. I've been trying to phone him for days. Oh, yeah. hasn't been home. So I finally got him. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 3 10:43
that's in the front steps of the main classroom. FOB house. Cool. All right. About 1937. Is that all written on the
Speaker 2 10:57
back? Do we have the name? No, we don't have you. You have the fastest
Unknown Speaker 11:08
rates in shorthand does she know?
Unknown Speaker 11:16
told me, Oh, I see.
Speaker 1 11:22
Some cat. Yes. This Cat Boy.
Speaker 3 11:28
A big one. Got his name because they named it that. Oh, this was black long haired Persians. It was as black as Egypt night. So it got given the name Ptolemy. Everybody would call it tall. All right.
Unknown Speaker 11:44
For hunting elephants
Speaker 3 11:48
was almost big. tracking, tracking cougars. That would be about 1938 Sports Day. School was a little bit smaller. Shot there.
Speaker 1 12:05
So I do have one question, but I don't know how old he'd be now. So it would be before your time I'm sure. I think that Peter Blackburn.
Speaker 3 12:14
Yes. I know the name. Hi, my parents use Blackburn's right Blackburn's like Yeah. So
Unknown Speaker 12:21
your parents knew them as
Speaker 3 12:25
blank Blackman. He the one that married a mess, Ogilvy of Ogilvy oats. Yeah, please.
Unknown Speaker 12:39
I didn't know this and I ought to because she would be the mother of somebody who I mentioned things like
Unknown Speaker 12:52
that get all upset. No
Speaker 1 12:56
person has to know. I should think that lineage will be soup. Do you know Peter coming to the school? This is my question. Oh,
Speaker 3 13:08
no, no, I never knew. I don't think anyone even saw on it'd be quite a bit older than Yes.
Unknown Speaker 13:16
So do we know who this
Unknown Speaker 13:18
person whenever I call through
Unknown Speaker 13:26
the LC ath. LC price.
Unknown Speaker 13:35
Lipson Isabella point Yeah,
Speaker 4 13:36
we still a few two years ago. Very
Unknown Speaker 13:40
dang strong. Humble. She just died recently.
Unknown Speaker 13:47
So I haven't got anything she was really good because he was wonderful language.
Speaker 4 13:57
We were staying in her b&b Which wasn't actually a b&b that she'd given up but I had an old b&b actually mine contacted her and told her we were came over
Unknown Speaker 14:19
quite a rough time at the moment. She's
Unknown Speaker 14:26
got the DFC The festival
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is to shake.
Unknown Speaker 14:32
Joanie Robin, this all ends
Speaker 1 14:35
up losing a place and recognizing that it's just too old to keep going. But on top of that, this
Speaker 3 14:42
is really some places for juniors.
Speaker 1 14:46
Well, she's first of all people that aren't just so they're always trying to pass down. One of the ways to sending inspectors to police goods bestest in the attic these places are built
Unknown Speaker 15:05
wiggy spring
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is best left where
Unknown Speaker 15:10
nickname cookie
Speaker 1 15:16
spread it around by poking into it with an inspectors whatever they do and she's just had an offer took a long time refused yeah
Speaker 3 15:33
I believe are l t h
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start all over again
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to check culture
Speaker 1 15:42
she's already bought it oh it's pretty crazy I think we bought a little retired yes and she's looking forward to gardening something to
Unknown Speaker 15:58
think that around her
Speaker 3 16:01
not too sure about that one could be John the cubes patch and rice they live day
Unknown Speaker 16:10
to day
Unknown Speaker 16:16
What was your father's
Unknown Speaker 16:18
my father's name
Unknown Speaker 16:22
but I've been to something like that yeah so we haven't finished explaining me would
Unknown Speaker 16:33
be a general two
Speaker 1 16:39
schools of salt one for the private schools are really that many Oh heavens here by all depends on how well am I talking on top of
Unknown Speaker 16:55
guns because you know what to put in
Speaker 2 17:00
because two conversations going on at the same time in front of
Unknown Speaker 17:10
the camera walk with
Speaker 1 17:20
our eyes make a website that's what Jimmy's gonna do you got faith you cannot I was just telling you that research the only school to start to be on and yes indeed John scones private schools on outnumbered the others. Okay, and there were plenty of those eight schools. Each one three schools.
Unknown Speaker 17:53
They're smaller and smaller.
Unknown Speaker 17:59
Yeah. Independent
Speaker 1 18:06
finished in 1942 communities that held on to their schools and kept their kids going until 1953 when they lost but the private schools they some of them were very short lived. Some of them were not very high quality. Formby house lasted longer than any other. And I must have had some draw to it. I said some good to it. And one of the most beloved is isn't a Tolson score. Oh, you know, the Pete the students who went to it? Yes. Really appreciated the education they got. I love that. It was called Saltspring Island private school for boys as completely filled with girls. Because his daughter, his daughter, of course, was there. She was resident in the school.
Speaker 3 19:04
She became Nora Tolson. That's right. Yes. No Is he Renard Tolson then became Nixon Nixon. That's right. Captain commander Nixon. He went down on the Marguerite in the Mediterranean during the second world. Oh, really? I was expecting her third child. Then who really
Speaker 1 19:27
came over I would say she had she had a very happy childhood and then on not quite so good. He brought her up this is not well it is partly form because form these boys and girls together and very sporty. Yeah. So Leonard brought his daughter up. As a son, that is. All the girls played all the sports that the boys did, and they also were taught all of the honor system, you know, the old British boys school. Oh, yes. And So when she was when he when they left and went to Victoria, she was put into an all girls private school,
Speaker 3 20:08
maybe St. Margaret's St. Margaret's. And
Speaker 1 20:11
she did she was not happy and she lost her inner confidence and everything because she's told to sit in a corner Be quiet do needlework for the rest of your life. And, and neither her mother nor her father seem to have been able to help her to adjust and do something to retain her inner core. All she was thinking about them and not wanting to distress them or I don't know. But I really felt for her and wondered what everybody else all the other girls had gone through but barrel definitely was fine barrel Scott barrel Scott. Record court did not get stuck going to Thompson's school. And she had a wonderful story about when Leonard when she told him that she didn't really want to leave school and carry on learning at school. So he employed her as the teacher of the girls.
Speaker 4 21:13
So what's great, she wouldn't go Yeah, yeah. It would amaze me that when Arthur was saying that, they all did archery and 22 other girls as well and 22 was just passed around. Hills was shoot to target
Speaker 3 21:32
one side the boys and the other playing soccer. Then the mothers got upset. You're ruining a huge my daughter's soccer boots on. Dad played goalie for the girls. Good edge. Yeah, sure it right to the right wing, the left wing or whatever it was. And then we used to get up the bladder of a soccer ball rolling up real tight. And we used to have this slap it over Punchbowl we used to call it and it was like a hotkey on a user pass it to a person and had a goal. And yes, actually hitting the goal. We had more fun playing that in soccer. One time dad tried. He brought all his old cricket gear out from the old country. And of course it didn't go he tried her when we played it at one time or another there but it didn't. Didn't take it ready.
Speaker 5 22:32
I'm ready. All right. We need it. Do you need a magnifying glass? I do have one
Unknown Speaker 22:40
right down the other
Unknown Speaker 22:42
one years or whenever they call through? We're going right across the top Yes, yes. We're going Catherine problem. Your role and she was asking girls rifle shots. I see. She won the silver DCRA but don't be No. Okay, now we'll go on to Heather who she was.
Unknown Speaker 23:20
She'd be dead Angel. Oh
Unknown Speaker 23:23
le and this is George Robinson
Speaker 1 23:29
because I think she's completely contemporary.
Unknown Speaker 23:32
In a way he's no no I love her. And
Unknown Speaker 23:40
I don't know whether on turning
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across the tongue
Unknown Speaker 23:47
there's one here. John Laird le y ARD Oh, is it the other one is Kendrick price Lenny Tulsans
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son.
Unknown Speaker 24:03
I hope they're there right now.
Speaker 3 24:04
Yes that one is there is Matt visual woodland
Unknown Speaker 24:20
yeah there's the next one to younger John Price
Unknown Speaker 24:33
quite somewhere.
Unknown Speaker 24:36
And then John Shipley
Unknown Speaker 24:37
Peter was contemporary was no
Unknown Speaker 24:44
I don't know.
Unknown Speaker 24:49
I finally made the switch.
Unknown Speaker 24:59
Promote I have a twin twin.
Speaker 3 25:02
I tried to figure out I think that must be Muriel my sister yes and then he was Susan call through
Unknown Speaker 25:18
I've gone through
Unknown Speaker 25:21
the next one Ruth price. Yes. So John, do
Speaker 1 25:31
you have any sense of what these buildings might actually be
Unknown Speaker 25:41
but I wouldn't remember it.
Unknown Speaker 25:43
We just we just is that
Unknown Speaker 25:49
because there's I think that's it you are amazing. You really
Speaker 4 26:04
well, on the front post that post a little plaque Cropper family
Unknown Speaker 26:17
it's not actually a completely different border edge. Ashes but the ranch
Speaker 3 26:31
sick of going to Cape Town University and emigrated to London England. Yeah, I just wondered secretarial course, worked in London for five years. Yeah. Then emigrated to Canada and 60s, she worked in Ottawa and Toronto, then into drive across drove across Canberra
Unknown Speaker 26:55
Island was as far as I could get.
Unknown Speaker 26:58
Settled in Victoria. Yeah. And we
Speaker 4 27:00
met in 1970. playing badminton in Victoria. Yes. We didn't marry until 1996.
Speaker 1 27:10
Slow Burn check it out. Make sure it's lost.
Speaker 3 27:20
Anyway, good. Now what about the rest of these pictures? Do you want any help with them or explanation? written on the back of all of them what it is? Yeah.
Speaker 2 27:31
Internet at all? Yes, yes. Oh, so we can still communicate. I'll put things on and you can still identify things to maybe help us with.
Speaker 4 27:43
What are you going to do with the pictures? Are we going to get them back?
Unknown Speaker 27:47
You can have them back if you want. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 27:55
Okay, yeah. Should be better
Speaker 2 27:57
in case. They need your mailing address, I guess.
Unknown Speaker 28:02
Yeah.
Speaker 4 28:03
What did you want to just put it on here? Then the envelope? Everything. Okay.
Speaker 5 28:08
Oh, all right. Yeah, it's good. Oh, this is a terrible pin.
Unknown Speaker 28:13
It sounds a little scratchy. Yeah. You
Unknown Speaker 28:16
could try this one.
Unknown Speaker 28:19
address on the two L's for athel.
Speaker 1 28:25
Got another family. I wanted to ask you about. I know. For
Speaker 4 28:33
Springbank place Springbank. One word. Race. millbay. Por two p four
Speaker 3 28:46
have to be Boy, that must be a lot of age being late. Chickens.
Unknown Speaker 28:55
Yeah, yeah,
Unknown Speaker 28:56
I see.
Speaker 5 28:59
Yeah. So we can we can scan these photos and get them back. When are you planning on going back
Speaker 4 29:08
Monday morning, Monday morning. Two nights in.
Unknown Speaker 29:14
Plans are you
Unknown Speaker 29:16
around and
Speaker 3 29:18
visit you people give you all the information we could?
Speaker 5 29:22
Well, I was just wondering about maybe get them back to you before you even go home?
Unknown Speaker 29:29
Yeah.
Speaker 3 29:31
You see Bob rush at all? Yes. Yes, because he's got all sorts of enlargements of the school on sports day and on my
Speaker 5 29:41
computer and we'll look to see them outside but I can certainly give it a go. Look at the ones that are on the website.
Unknown Speaker 29:51
The one from Bob says
Speaker 5 29:54
he gave them all to you and then you sent me or you showed me some Then I hadn't seen before so they're probably the ones that he gave to you not
Unknown Speaker 30:17
that they do have a mending lamp
Unknown Speaker 30:21
oh because because he'd given up the phone
Unknown Speaker 30:25
when he went to the post
Speaker 5 30:29
Oh my mirror getting ready for the for the old timers i As for
Unknown Speaker 30:37
a house that he built on the
Unknown Speaker 30:43
27th and then this
Speaker 3 30:46
every five years I love pictures so I packed out maybe six or eight color prints are written on the back who they weren't
Speaker 5 31:07
right so I asked him about that he said he had already given
Speaker 5 31:16
way put the photographs pictures Well yes. Oh
Unknown Speaker 31:23
yeah would have to be here but
Speaker 5 31:29
sent me the pictures had and they were there were quite a few more than I had ever seen. So I did
Unknown Speaker 31:44
pretty good. Pretty conscientious.
Speaker 1 31:49
told me about these buildings that form B house as our website I can see that this one is the same building is that
Speaker 3 32:03
you said they are. That website says
Speaker 1 32:08
that media recognize somebody once said that they reformed the House School?
Unknown Speaker 32:15
Not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 1 32:17
I know. I see. I've encountered this from people who've gone to Formby House School before. Oh, I see. Yeah. So I want I just wonder whether it could have been clad in this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 32:31
School was the whole school was this sort of tongue and groove. Egencia hide plank. Okay, not normally. Right? No. And then we have the individual. Charles Kahn bought his book.
Unknown Speaker 32:50
He had a whole lot of Yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 32:54
I went to see him. And I wrote him a letter. They said there are a lot of inaccuracies in your book. He very apologetic, but obviously, we're doing our conversation. Somebody had fed him misinformation. That's right. Because he said that dad eventually was working with and teaching. This is oxygen. Never was possibly a voice because dad took over. Because the Oxenham Jenkins and all the rest of them. They all moved in 35. And he said you go back to England to go over the whole kit and caboodle then and started teaching. Yeah, I have I don't I don't recognize.
Speaker 1 33:38
So you again, don't recognize this has been formed behind school. Do you? Know what
Speaker 4 33:49
any pictures have told me house. Exactly. That's what I would
Speaker 3 33:53
one that Nora Tolson took. And you can see it. It was about 19 108 I think it was and it was it was in one of the books of that time with families of Salzburg
Unknown Speaker 34:09
snapshots, a snapshot
Speaker 3 34:11
as right, yeah. And it looking across the fairgrounds and all the stalls where the cows were or July the first livestock agricultural show, right in the background. up on the ridge. You can see two buildings. One is the barn and one is the school house and the home. Oh, that's in the book.
Speaker 2 34:36
I will find that so that was the building up. Were good is yes. Right. That's right. But what about the one up on the hill?
Speaker 3 34:45
I don't know. I never I never remembered.
Speaker 1 34:51
Yes, that's that's another mystery but
Speaker 3 34:56
one up on the hill might have been this place. Yeah, well that one. I
Unknown Speaker 35:01
think the background looks like it's
Speaker 3 35:03
still quite high up You look like you're looking down I think yeah, I think that's what that is. Oh ha okay
Speaker 2 35:14
yeah and the other pictures fit with it with it
Speaker 1 35:19
the first person who said that that was not for the house was actually million Peters son moved around Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 35:33
House with residents for the boy
Speaker 1 35:35
residents undergo Well, yes. Oh for the isolette No. It was
Unknown Speaker 35:43
yeah, let's have one again.
Speaker 1 35:45
That's another residence on the other side Logan Betancourt. Then at Towson. Oh yes. Tulsans residents part of his school was on Bittencourt road and Sue says the building still exists but it's been moved down Bittencourt road further.
Unknown Speaker 36:04
Oh, yes. And
Speaker 1 36:08
and I've yet to walk down I keep forgetting I could easily walk down but find any old building looks like being described as being a small like a barn of a place and a beautiful house like this. But I don't know. And Leonard Tolson called his school room, the cottage, and it was too small for them once they had all the hordes that came because he was so popular. Yes. So that can't be a fast barn example. And it was right next and Sue also knows that that building she knew that building when she was here. So I just get confused every time I try and do form B houses history as far as photographs go.
Speaker 3 36:59
Sports Day ones Bob brushes got
Speaker 1 37:02
these here. I know that terribly small. But not really. I've just fitted them all onto the page. That's everything we've got broken down. Oh, really?
Speaker 3 37:13
This is obviously must be a July the first lady. Lady the tug of war.
Speaker 1 37:20
And there's a sack race. This one's a sack race.
Unknown Speaker 37:25
Oh, yes. Yeah, that's right. And
Unknown Speaker 37:29
oh, what about this building here?
Unknown Speaker 37:32
Just looking at it
Speaker 1 37:41
that's got the pole sticking out the front. It just helps me.
Speaker 3 37:45
That might be for the house. There might be because it had the little white criss crossing on the veranda. That's right. That'd be the main the main school room. The steps that big photograph are taken is right there. The entrance formal entrance was here and the dining room. And then the living rooms there. And all upstairs was the rooms bedrooms.
Speaker 1 38:18
So when you say all upstairs was the bedrooms, are there many borders and fall behind?
Unknown Speaker 38:27
Three or four that I can remember.
Speaker 1 38:30
At all? Yeah. And would they have been from the outer islands or phone? No.
Speaker 3 38:35
They were usually from the Saltspring. Ashley more than his sister. And Matt as your would think he was just said that he keep actually, company actually didn't want to go there. So anyway. They were from perfect harbor. Yes. They were the only ones I can remember there. There were borders. They were like
Unknown Speaker 39:03
weekly borders weekly.
Speaker 1 39:06
I know. Okay. Yes. I just wondered whether there were any from off Island. Because Leonard Tolson that seems to have had some from off Island. No doubt, possibly even from Vancouver Island. Those
Unknown Speaker 39:19
photos we got from relative of oxygen.
Speaker 1 39:28
So they will be early. Isn't?
Speaker 3 39:33
Yeah, I'd be going way back 1920s. I'd imagine. They look like it. How
Speaker 1 39:42
did you know who Peter had married Peter Blackburn
Speaker 3 39:47
is if that's the right one I remember. We can only remember my mother say, Oh, yes. Peter Blackburn. He's laughing because he went back he married and Ogilvy. You know Ogilvy ouch Quaker Oats and all that had millions of dollars. And they were laughing
Speaker 1 40:05
already. I know the story of Peter Blackburn most extraordinary history. But we shouldn't get into all of that, should we? Why not? Okay. A dramatically romantic story that it should be a movie or something ridiculously romantic and sad actually learned stories. Glenn Tolson story is not that far off from what should be a little opera or something neither. These are the lives of Victorian gentleman. So the Blackburn's were Roman Catholic, which did not please either the parents either set of parents at all who were who were non practicing, but nevertheless, highly Protestant. Scottish Presbyterian Ogilvy's. No, no, no, I'm talking about the Blackburn's now and not Peter and
Unknown Speaker 41:04
Miss Ogilvy. I think we're American.
Unknown Speaker 41:07
Oh, okay.
Speaker 3 41:10
She married Peter Blackburn. The move to Scotland bought a castle and live there have
Speaker 1 41:17
to have to buy the castle. This is that this is what this romantic story is about Lynnie in his Peters son and he came to visit simply because he found that there was a Blackburn road on top Spring Island. So he turns up on Blackburn road and he pretty well stumbles into me immediately. And I'm a researcher, volunteer and know all these things live on Blackburn road myself and know all about the house ins and outs of it and all the rest of it. So it was cosmic. We decided his electorate at Portland University. Oh, yeah. And he his father said the most confusing things about his upbringing. This is piece of black and brown. But Peter Peters parents were both cut off without a penny for not renouncing your Pope. Oh, I see. And they were exiled to the Isle of Skye, which could have been that bad in exile. If you asked me. And they had it his Esther was an opera singer, and knew the opera singers of of Europe, and probably came across Roman Catholicism there. And she had a child who they called Carmen. Which straightaway I thought, Oh, there's the opera. And Ninian said to me, I never thought of that. I didn't know that. Carmen was always a great not to be mentioned sorrow, because she died age two. Oh, he's buried on the Isle of Skye. And Peter was born very soon afterwards. And was if you ask me completely neglected? Yeah. At least three years of their grief over common dying. Oh, yeah. So whatever was odd about Peter could be put down to that. stabbed me in the face is isolation on on. Yes. And the parents who are grieving not only for the child, but for their entire futures. They've grown up wealth Aliy knowing they were going to be part of I mean, he was not the eldest son by a long chalk. He's the fifth son of the family, but nevertheless should have been a part of everything they were rich enough to. And well known extremely well known family. Yes, Professor, mathematics professor at Glasgow, and the mother was the equivalent of Audubon, if not more brilliant than Audubon as a painter of wildlife. All these things that they're that they lost. And I think sitting on the Isle of Skye, they looked they looked at corresponded because Scott that the Scottish people corresponded with those on Saltspring island a great deal. I think they looked at the census reports that showed that there were a lot of Roman Catholics on the island. Yes, but they didn't realize that every single one of those Roman Catholics had had a First Nations mother. Or one Portuguese, yes.
Unknown Speaker 44:09
Everything that one Portuguese, right.
Speaker 1 44:12
And I can I just know because she dressed for dinner, which I've always delighted in myself, as you know, as if they've hung out naked till dinnertime. But Esther Blackburn dressed for dinner she lived in the Old Style completely. Yes. And all her letters show that she remains superior to those have been my
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mother dressed.
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You came down for dinner
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and I have to put a tie on
Speaker 1 44:42
All right, so Esther was dressing. She invited all of the Roman Catholics to come to mass at Blackburn house. Quite
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a sweet place, wasn't it?
Speaker 1 44:54
It was a very it was. The thing is I have to tell you how I met Ninian in a way. I mean, we were talking and we hadn't connected yet and I hadn't realized the poor soul was damaged from his father is a remarkable story for a researcher to get involved in all this. I fixed all of his problems in life by just simply telling him the history of his father and explained his father's behavior away. So he no longer hated him with a passion. Yes.
Speaker 4 45:27
The family were cut off his parents were cut off How did they manage this fancy house then they didn't.
Speaker 1 45:33
It is a replica of the castle. It is an absolutely identical replica of the huge Castle in Scotland is called rushman Ninian's Ninian was born there, because Peter went back there, that's the house that you're thinking that yeah, he and his wife bought, but what happened was that the Roman Catholic God on high was at work to redress this balance. Thomaston Indian, who doesn't believe in anything. He's not gonna believe in anything because of his father. So so what happened was they were exiled here. They built the house they lived in penury, but but lived as if they were rich.
Speaker 3 46:16
Black or White, you could see in the distance a great big, yes, beautiful,
Speaker 1 46:21
beautiful, beautiful class. It still stands there today. Still, I am very much involved in it by a yoga group that I am a part of. Oh, yeah. And it's been renovated and, and kept in some parts and had to be changed and others, but it has a certain feel to it. That is glorious. And I now have read the letters written from each room. Oh, yeah. Looking out through the window describing the gardens below that she she built up all these gardens like like LC nice perks. Yeah. And and the sadness in the family is immense and very silent. Yeah. And Ninian, completely silent person. Yeah, no emotions to display at all. Until after years and years of me of him coming back and you knowing him, I got to know him better and better and, and there's a great deal of emotion in there to just none of it's expressed. Or acknowledged all sorts of things. But what happened was that after Hugh Blackburn died here in Canada and is buried in the Roman Catholic church yard here on Saltspring Island, after Blackburn died in forfeit, yeah. After he died. Esther, his wife got a letter from the family back in Scotland, saying that all the other brothers had now died. Yeah. And that she was the inheritance of the entire estate. Peter is not a Peter was the inheritor of the entire estate and he was back 21 When that letter was sent over here in 1927, that's right. Yeah. Sounds like James.
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State. Yeah.
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Oh, James see the origin. Yeah.
Speaker 1 48:07
And beside that castle, there is a Roman Catholic diligence Scotland. Oh, yes. So I think Esther got got everything that she was longing for. There must have been such turnaround for those two. She moved back. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. She moved back and they ran the stage and they're very proud and and Ninian. Ninian Who's the youngest son of all these dreadful brothers also? He he's just stunned that his father was all right after. I know that Peter from Ninian I know Peter was trained as as a firefighter here on Saltspring. I know everybody's trained as a firefighter, every buildings but to the ground. I first started researching don't just collapse in laughter I'm trying to find a house. Oh, no, that got burned to the ground in let go for me it told me and I came from England where houses don't burn to
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the ground. They built a brick.
Speaker 1 49:07
So this this rapid turnover of buildings is not my norm. Well, it was in New Zealand, but they didn't burn to the ground in New Zealand. They fell down from the earthquakes. Yes.
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New Zealand as well.
Speaker 1 49:21
Yes, I'm a Commonwealth kid. And yeah, it's, for me. Absolutely extraordinary to know. And there they are still, that the descendants have died out now. Oh, yeah. But they're still they've died out of the castle. Rich people have bought the castle from them. Oh, yeah. And the rich people are their ancient enemies. The Mk Donald's or the MK something or others, a Scottish clan that were the Blackburn's enemies about 2000 years ago. That's it. It's always About so that's why I buy hotel Ninian Roman Catholics, the Roman Catholic God decided to reward them.
Unknown Speaker 50:08
Amazing. So you're still in touch with him.
Speaker 1 50:10
I'm still in touch with. He married I have a family he's married and and she's the one his wife is the one Caitlyn does all of the research of the family, while millions going No, don't touch any of it. Don't know anything about like, I've corresponded with her a great deal. And she's collected all these letters and things which the rest of the family is not interested in. And I asked her, What about your own family? Caitlin? Haven't you done research into your own family? And then he looked at me total science looked at his wife's clinical science, they both Caitlin went quiet. I said, What's the Scottish silence on she's Italian? Oh, her family is mafia. Uncle buried under the motorway. She was introduced everyday to an uncle because he's buried under the motorway in wherever he grew up. concrete. So she's not researching her family for her own reasons. reasons. They're both very funny. But he was forbidden to cross the border. Bye bye by President George Bush. Because the lesson from the White House saying he was he was not not to preach His teachings in school and yet to stick to his subject matter. Not teach anything about what what he might think about the Gulf War. And he wasn't allowed to go out and protest and carrier, a flat card. So Caitlin went out there and carried many, many more than she would have all these funny little bits. But he wasn't allowed to leave the country. They threatened him that he would lose his his green card. Citizenship. He came to Canada, so I haven't seen him for ages. It's sad. Speaking of George Bush's Yes, I suppose since the Iraq war. We correspond that's nothing to do with Formby house except that Ninian said that Peter said that he went to Hornby House School, but he couldn't quite tell whether he meant he visited it.
Speaker 3 52:17
Or that was a student. I don't know
Speaker 1 52:21
what Peter would do in Scotland in a stone castle, the father of the household, head of the household, what he would do every time a log fell out of the stone fireplace was he had a hatchet hanging on the side beside it, he would hack that log to death with extreme further. Yeah, and there is no purpose to doing that in Scotland because the coffee wasn't the ground. But I understood straightaway. He'd been trained to do that. Because he had already experienced the first place they lived in place. They bought a boat to the ground six months after they bought it.
Speaker 3 53:02
You talk about fires to St Paul's Anglican Church. Yes. Halfway up the Ganges. My parents were married. They're about 1938 that burned to the ground. Yes. So they must have had somebody left the candles burning I guess.
Speaker 1 53:18
You know exactly where that was. Can you remember precisely where it was situated on? Yes.
Speaker 3 53:26
You're going up the hill pastorally original Legion mental. Yes. Then those Croft ins house over here on the right. And then you go up and I don't know the name of the road that's been caught you might think is Dean road because that's where this goons is. When all six of them are going too far behind school, it was right in the corner Dean road and the lower Ganges roads I mean, drag their site in the corner.
Speaker 2 54:01
Right across from this boat.
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Oh, I see. Yes. Yeah.
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There you have it.
Speaker 1 54:17
We can reconstruct the hill and thank you. I have not had a person who was certain about where the church was. Well, they argued springs,
Speaker 3 54:31
my granddad the Reverend ch. D. Cropper married mom and dad in St. Paul's there in that church on the corner. I was amazed. We were going to school that time and said there's a big fire last night. Set up the Dean road where your family came from up there. Oh yeah, St. Paul's. They couldn't do anything about it. And according to result tend to dry wood. shingles, the roof around the sides and roof the whole thing. Where was it? Yep. And
Speaker 2 55:07
who knew about this? He was in that building. It was
Speaker 2 55:18
good is sun in the sun? Laurie Goodman he was charged when he was in that building. And he remembered the the bell falling
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in the fire
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I'm sitting on it long enough it all comes back. Yes.
Speaker 5 55:45
So did the Bennett's live there too. Right across the road from on Dean road. And the benefits
Speaker 3 55:58
Yeah, they all are the Elizabeth was it? There's two girls and John John was the youngest one. And my mother looked after John. That was her last baby that she had to care for in the lady mental before she got married and went to the farm. And he remember he was told that repeatedly. I want to go back to these reunions. He says Oh, yes. Your mother's still alive. And I said, Oh, she passed away. Three years ago. Johnny's gone to Yes, he passed away just a year or so ago. It's an officer on the BC Ferries.
Speaker 5 56:56
So are you filling in some blank Susa?
Speaker 1 56:59
Yes, I've got another blank that's now popped into my head, the cruft and it's going to form behalf.
Speaker 3 57:06
Silvia did Sylvia. Sylvia was there and she married Gail? Yes.
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Okay. Mr. Mr.
Speaker 3 57:16
Gale, she married. Right. And yeah, she was. She was just there about a year or two. Okay. And then as you went to high school, I guess. John Crofton was also slightly older. I don't know anything about him. Anyway, through the local high school, I guess. And then using the RCA F. Yes. After the joints.
Speaker 2 57:41
So how long were you on Saltspring? Me?
Speaker 3 57:45
Yep. Boom on there. And I was about 13 I think when we left the family left to go to Victoria 1949 to 40. The end of 1940
Unknown Speaker 58:08
So what is this picture?
Speaker 1 58:10
These are from the newspaper from driftwood. So these are old photographs from the house do yes, that's another one and they're pleading for people to recognize them. But this is way back in 1974. And way back in 1975.
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We got that one. Yeah.
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This one here. Yes. You've just done done
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that. But you haven't done this one. Okay, if you want to do this one. Alrighty. Great.
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Do you recognize them? Yes, I
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do. Okay.
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Wonderful. You're probably not of course, you know. She's an introverted thing. But he's
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top row
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okay, this child
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or you want to do it that way. Okay. Top left Gwen King.
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Boy, what a mess.
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You do have this one. Why did you have an extraordinary
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price system Muriel is the same.
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Sisters thought
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at this month.
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That was half of a show. I saw them a couple of weeks. Muriel Chapman. She was a very good Archer. She's in
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lots of the photograph.
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That Susan Coles Cauldre
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I certainly couldn't. Well I probably could fall at children's
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best to annoy her son because
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the one room school this
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one Catherine Croft apothem I would remember your p h am
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retired using that home that I can't believe how
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long it took to drive into Hamilton
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Greenwood scene about Greenwich Greenwich I can't remember her first name stay
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yes yes is the district
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so this pass
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supplementary and it's one of your sisters Muriel
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those years are still the most in memories of any it was at least 40 years about 63 now got some amazing
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parents when they're willing or knowing dad was Tanner and my mom sewed on the rifle and then they became
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like oh yes yeah
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neighbors to buy their own farm Barbara they were twins are supposed to fit in no no.
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Very much elastic about Bob a few years but John Price
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century Cropper and then of course they love to do with Laird my father was very
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Bob Shipley
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and he knew exactly what to do to make it right
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John just build up build
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up everything build up the goodwill everything every
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price and
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you could sell it for twice what you pay for it in the first place which would then
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get everyone else has been able to trouble
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with June, spring Mitchell.
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Spring furred this spring, spring food reserves.
Speaker 1 1:03:45
There is a Mitchell and there is a spring fed. And I think they may both be June.
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June, Mr.
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Mitchell was on spring.
Speaker 5 1:03:58
So that's not this isn't spring so this isn't just Frankford This is Jim metal.
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Metal Correct. Yeah.
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So do you know where the Mitchell's live? Yes,
Speaker 3 1:04:10
on the way down the bed this road. You go quite a way up. Croft ins house used to be on the right of main roads and you turn down as bad as road. They lived about a mile mile and a half down there. Then you turn left on their very long driveway. And they had a house fairly close to the beach looking out across Ganges Harbour.
Speaker 1 1:04:35
And do you have any sense of how long that family had been on toxic when were they
Speaker 3 1:04:40
new Mitchell's early settlers they must have come up there like so many did from the UK about an 18 2020s Okay. Early 1920s
Speaker 2 1:05:00
from their property could you see Walters who's said the down edits wrote down any one
Speaker 3 1:05:10
of those 50 comes out into the harbor yeah yes
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know
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your father was teaching he was running the school Yes. They were from like, grade one to grade eight Yes.
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Kindergarten kindergarten for your sisters your sisters would have been kidding
Speaker 3 1:05:50
one or two others were not courses used to go across the road to the high school yes yeah known as the chicken house. Yes.
Speaker 1 1:06:02
So they went across the road and down the slope and there wasn't anything in the way back then. And what were you just Am I Am I too many roads away from where you are now? I suppose there isn't your Yeah.
Speaker 3 1:06:25
No, we're at the end of her Hereford.
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Jackson Jackson Jackson's
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rainbow I'm thinking about the Dean Road House just getting
Speaker 2 1:06:40
all the way up the hill. You live that Rainbow Road perfect.
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Will we live for me how school which is
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nine acres which is nine acres Yeah. And so it was on the corner of Jackson Rainbow Road
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Hereford Jackson's
Speaker 4 1:07:03
now keep going to that temporary library is that's where the house was yes. Yeah. Yeah. When When did that when did that was
Speaker 1 1:07:11
Oh no, no, we just had an upgrade. No.
Speaker 2 1:07:15
Burned down the fire department. Oh, they did?
Speaker 4 1:07:20
Because we drove we drove we had Doris and Muriel over here one year I remember we drove up the driveway at the back of the house and it was still there I guess was quite a few
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few years who was teachers
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loose loose loose loose
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loose the captain sudden I think always is on yeah yeah yeah
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yeah
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No, I never noticed the building there. I must be busy doing other time
Speaker 3 1:08:00
when we drove up the driveway and had a quick look around the barn was gone dismantled somebody took all the chicken house was finished and they hadn't had the fire at that time. But there was all we could just see the some of the foundations and then they had a practice fire drill and burn all the rubbish cleaned it up
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that that was taken down. What
Speaker 3 1:08:39
was the chicken house now? Oh, the chicken pretty early. That was a very old one. Built I think by the Tolson delay to be self sufficient. And they had about 2535 laying hens.
Speaker 1 1:08:53
For these. This is your chicken. Chicken House School. I think Frank's asking about the chicken house school. School, the high school.
Speaker 3 1:09:04
Oh. Across from Formby High School, Rainbow Road, a soccer field fairgrounds. Then up here before the new consolidated school was built in 38. They had the old high school head off. Mr. forester was the headmaster and Miss Grove. And forest Hepburn. That's right. And it looked like a chicken house. Everybody called it the chicken house. chicken
Speaker 1 1:09:36
house, or was it Yes. During the summertime and the students weren't there for at least three years, it returned to being a chicken house. And then at the beginning of each term, they had to clean it up for fleas in
Unknown Speaker 1:09:57
the house in the summer
Speaker 1 1:10:00
That first year so they were there. Yeah. And, and there's some very dramatic stories. I'm not sure that I believe every word of these people who tell the stories, because it's Joe Garner, just for a star story
Speaker 1 1:10:22
so they tell stories of the fleas when you first went back, but also Mary England who was not fanciful person but that's Mary Purdy or Mary. She's not a fanciful person who would string you a wild tale. She told me stories about the fleece as well.
Speaker 5 1:10:45
And apparently, according to the book of historical buildings and the Gulf Islands, the chicken house school was dismantled and Vic Bettis not Bettis he, he dismantled it and brought it here and this is it.
Unknown Speaker 1:11:07
Yours No, you didn't know that. Constructed reconstructed as it was was just using all the added
Speaker 5 1:11:16
we added eight feet on this end. But other than that, I
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know a lot of history in that. But
Speaker 5 1:11:27
it wasn't. It wasn't reconstructed as it was. I think they just used all the windows because they were all very, very old windows.
Speaker 3 1:11:37
Lots of them. Yeah. vertical ones all the way on the sides of the building. Yeah. Beautiful.
Speaker 5 1:11:47
It was actually a lovely little before we renovated.
Speaker 3 1:11:51
I remember the day Mr. Campbell, a very good horseman. I mean, Dray horses had two big Clydesdales or something like that. And he had it all rigged up on the school thing. And he had great big grease poles and pull it off its foundations or whatever it is, and it's only gonna do and he was cracking that weaponed aid. And he's pulled the whole thing off the foundation right onto these Greek big poles. And after that, I don't know what happened. This fella you mentioned better. got a hold of it. Would you dismantle it?
Speaker 5 1:12:33
Yeah, brought up all the wood in the windows and everything. And he reconstructed it here. Yeah. I remember that. But it wasn't the same. But no, no.
Speaker 2 1:12:49
exactly where it was, where the building was,
Speaker 3 1:12:52
you know, as a consolidated school, or what? It's what they call it. Then when they built it. Yes, you. It was about 70 to 100 yards east of the consolidated school towards the water up in the bank. Right up in the bank, like the cop Park
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would be now. Oh, I'm not sure if it's as high as that though.
Speaker 5 1:13:22
But you can see photos of it with mon ha Yes, that's
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right. Yeah. Yeah.
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How about your time
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never saw a photo with I'm waiting for
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it comes in the water. I don't I think he called
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the end of the mind always here and part of the picture. You know, I'm just saying that that's all.
Speaker 1 1:14:06
See you you have one of those lovely memories for me to ask questions. Thank you must have a really great, yeah, no. I want to know about the croppers though. Because you lived in the house that the school was in, right? Yes. So the children go home at the end of school day. Yes. And there's your home and your life. And what What did that feel like? What was it like? Was it perfectly normal from your point of view?
Speaker 3 1:14:40
Aside from being run as a school, yes. And thundering herd of youngsters growing up into the boot room. All that sort of stuff. This age on that? Yes, it was normal. Because the things were tough there there isn't they In 1830, so, dad trying anything, he bought a Jersey cow. So we supply their own milk, made our own butter. And then eventually his good friend lived up the end of St. Mary's Lake, Sydney, who he sold a jury an old Jersey cow to dads where the two of them used to make bundles of butter, sell a little bit of it to neighbors. And every evening, supper time, I used to walk down. One of them was Norman West, who was the principal of the grade school. I used to take a quart of milk down there, they walk up near the end of the rainbow road and deliver a quart of milk to know the teacher focus focus focuses. And I used to go up there, deliver that every night. And I used to go and have to get the cow and put the hay down from the loft. And dad but he went into the milking
Speaker 1 1:16:14
Did he ever teach you how milking was done? No, I
Speaker 3 1:16:19
tried and made a mess out of it. Not right? To do that, and because Rosie had a habit or lifting her back leg up and putting it in the bucket filled the whole thing. So one of the other farmers said, Well, what do you got to do? Put your head you know your fetlock. Press your head hard in there when you're milking, then she can't she can't use that muscle to lift the leg up to spill the milk. So that's what happened. I did it and it worked. So we did that. And we one time had four young pigs and got them fattened up from market. sold three kept one, try making our own bacon Curie own bacon.
Speaker 4 1:17:14
And what about the eggs? Well,
Speaker 3 1:17:18
they were 35 Rhode Island reds, and I had to feed them at night as well and collect all the eggs. There's quite a lot of eggs. So we even though there is a lot of kids around the corner. So sold some tomorrow it's they marketed them if there is an overage and other friends are in dire need or give them maybe a half a dozen or a dozen on occasion. But that's about it.
Unknown Speaker 1:17:53
What did you feed the chickens?
Speaker 3 1:17:54
It looks like you know, a corn cob. And you get the little niblets of corn. I what it was it looked like that. But you got set 100 pound sacks that stuff. I used to throw that out with a little bit of oats. And they would eat that syndrome. Every time they saw me there come running like mad so I guess he liked it. Yeah, but the chicken has been there for quite a while. And Deadwood one summer. So we got to clean this out of here because all their droppings were piling up right? And so we took wheelbarrow loads out of there. And then all of a sudden, two or three great big rats ran out of there because what they'd be doing they'd be nesting in there coming up where we were they're feeding off the eggs and wondering why they were for all these chickens. How come those that shouldn't be more eggs. So he had this big long handle shovel and what the I think he killed everyone he saw the rats
Speaker 2 1:19:08
most of Where did you get the chicken feet? Did you get that from
Speaker 3 1:19:12
you usually either the emotes featured with the the page you're on the featured or from Matterley I think from trading company stuff. We got other feed for the cows there they had a certain next year and they also had the big block of tape of salt. They're gonna have so much salt and chemicals and in their diet stuff. So we got that latterly I think from the trading company but originally box
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which is the cow that came into the kitchen. Oh
Speaker 3 1:19:53
yes. Rosie there we had this really hot weather silver left the back door open this came into the backyard. Somebody left the gate open Rosie came in through there. We came in from the vegetable garden which is way down by the creek cave up in here. And here somebody left the radio lock lovely music. And here's Rosie Sani right in the kitchen with a head right in the doorway to the living room. Listen listening Julie her is loving the music. And dad says oh my god, we got to be very careful backing getting her out of here because it only shiplap floors and she was awake she could pull off right through Daisy didn't do that. But Daisy did like the music. Daisy came up once got out of the barn and was outside the wide open window and the very close to where the radio was and there was music playing again. Yes he was for the head right up very close to the open window chewing away on her card and all that thoroughly enjoying the music
Speaker 1 1:21:11
you know in New Zealand they taught us as children that music and cow's Jersey cows in particular goes very closely together and you have to play music for them because that lets the milk down more easily give it to you in floods
Speaker 3 1:21:32
out in Sweden to play music into barns. Yeah, they get a higher production
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any preference?
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Yeah.
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How about metal heavy metal I don't
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like Lawrence okay
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because we had our Go ghosts, Peter the ghost. Ghost. No, no, we haven't time. These people magazine.
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No, we're not. We're fine. Peter
Speaker 3 1:22:23
Well, the story goes that I've heard that the boys in the old days there and then in the 50s in the 1910 through two turn of the century through to about the 1920s there are pretty wild bunch up there used to have awful binges. And partly after after a hunting party. Whether they're successful or not, I don't know. But there's an awful lot of deer and a lot of growth and pheasant around the 100 Anyway they wanted and they got pretty well inebriated at. Some of them were coming up through the big Tulsans big orchard and one of the guns discharged and hit the owner and he was killed. And they were so pickled and having such a bin that I think we had between two and three days before they realize that somebody was missing. They went out and found him leaning against one of the walnut trees out in the orchard. And they figure that this Peter the ghost that was your origin origin up to the ghost because he acted up my dad was a very level headed Englishman. You couldn't rattle him. But dad knew there was something around there because neighbor down the road on Hereford street looked up there one night and they saw look like somebody holding all Gaslamp swinging around like that, but he couldn't see anybody there. Now that's been seen at least three times. And dad went out there he was correcting some exams and he went down the stairs quickly with the big gas lamp and looked around there. And he saw something swinging down and there was a time he got there is sort of vanished. And another time there they were good habits supper. went down there and they saw them walking out front gate and along Jackson Avenue. There were these gas lamps and that's what they use these wild boys over during the hunting time. out there, put your church or one of them. And these two go along the road there. And they could see these guys now swinging, that they couldn't see anybody there. And what was the they sold one rental? upstairs where they dormitory was for the people that stayed there. During the week. Dad were down correcting papers in the main school room and they heard this things and the little neural neural plop removed their own plot. They couldn't figure out what it was. He went up there, the flashlight, looked around, couldn't see a thing. And then he went up there another night when things started there. And sure enough, a rat was up there. We had harvested about four or five big wheelbarrow loads of these English walnuts, it would be that tops would be taken off. And the rat had got there. I would rolling these walnuts across the wooden floor. I'd cut the hole in there were smashed, and then that's it. And through that solve that problem. Another nine years, he was correcting papers and he's a knock at the door, which is right beside him. He looked around the knock again looked around again and went right around opened it. There's nothing there. But there's these weird things that happened many years later when goodie it was Goodmans Goodmans funeral home I said I'll go up and see the old place he wouldn't actually told him who I was as
Speaker 3 1:26:59
you ever heard a few years ago? Oh good. He just laughed. He said oh, yeah, he's still around. People very very much so. So what happens with spirits is a very strange thing. Oh,
Speaker 1 1:27:14
I know how perhaps I'm I'm completely completely bowled over by harbour houses go I never was loud now left. Oh, yeah. My renovation too many I think. Tell me what you know of hubhaus. Ghost.
Speaker 3 1:27:34
No, I never heard you haven't I said that might have been one. But I don't know. I
Speaker 1 1:27:39
mean, there was a real murder there. Yes. And a young Scotsman Islander went away to jail. To jail for it? Well, yes, there was. There are rumors of it having been more like a conspiracy and the young man being used to do it for them. Oh, so exciting, dreadful stories. But anyway, the ghost seems to have had a really good time. So he's not an angry fed up. Oh, good. revengeful ghost at all. There were specialists in the supernatural. You're attracted to harbor house and it's ghost because of the stories that were told. Mostly because every Saturday night there was the music and then there would be people from off Island come to play. Oh, yeah. And they would be the ones who played these tricks on more like poltergeist the kind of ghost so they would go away from here and tell about their ghost stories. So then the psychics would come but there were three psychics at separate times who came in and Hobhouse didn't want to get rid of the ghost use it draw the whole story once the including the murder and everything. So there was one woman who who offered to she wanted to try and talk to the ghost and see whether he would like to be got rid of and he also agreed with the management that no you're gonna leave. Yes Was his place so he was not an unhappy ghost.
Speaker 3 1:29:17
The other one was that right from the kitchen of the house. He went up for stairs and there was a landing the long plate of stairs to the bedrooms and the rooms where borders were and all that sort of stuff. And on more than one occasion. Dad were in. We were all in bed. And dad heard this creaking somebody obviously would heavy shoes, walking down the stairs. And he said Who is that? There's no answer and he went around flashlight again. This happened a few times, walking up and down the stairs and never did see anything and he shouted out. And the other time was in the dining room. Somebody were playing the piano. And there again, we're getting a little bit edgy about this sort of thing going on. And you were down there and you Yeah, a lot of who's there and this happened about three, three or four times somebody playing the piano in the middle of the night is down in the dining room. And there's no explanation, right. Well, that's that's a real tea party. I know.
Unknown Speaker 1:30:38
from the old country.
Unknown Speaker 1:30:42
You like milk? Thank you.
Unknown Speaker 1:30:45
I like milk in my tea.
Speaker 2 1:30:52
Tell me I cross. Try to visualize what what the world looked like in those days. There was an essence bakery. Anderson's? Yeah, that's right. And across the street. Peters
Speaker 3 1:31:06
he was the machine has run the machine shop. And all the repair. Right over the water. Very close to the Turner's store. Oh, as he doesn't, yeah. Nice. Yeah.
Speaker 2 1:31:18
Right across. Perfect Street. Right across from Anderson. Bakery. Yeah,
Speaker 3 1:31:24
there was Peters. There. And then there's another new house built in 1938. This is over m. And over NS were I think, I think they were the parents of Mrs. Anderson. Oh, I see. Thank you. Yes, still big old jam factory nice. We're building still very many people there. I remember when I was a Cub. And we used to go down there. They used to use the big hall Upstairs there for boxing. For boxing my dad had is all written down here. He was asked to be the to instruct and be the president of the Ganges boys club. But it was senior boys senior high school or just out of school. They wanted something to do. So they had athletics, they had boxing and all sorts of stuff like that. But underneath a course that was originally than 1820s, the the jam factory and some of those great big cauldrons that you could rock like this on a pedestal as where they used to cook this stuff up. And they used to have these jams and jellies and even though it does 20 acre farm up by their side farm, they had bags of apples, but plums and wheelbarrow loads of raspberries and these cars all these things into the jam factory that sort of died a natural death. It didn't. didn't go over too well for too long.
Unknown Speaker 1:33:16
Better things out of the fruit like Seido
Speaker 3 1:33:20
I know a few people who did ranches. Mr. Rogers, he used to sell he had a huge orchard and he up in the cranberry and he had a huge orchard and he had all sorts of stuff. He used me cider, pear wine and used to sell it for 25 cents for 26 ounce bottle. Pretty Good bye. Goodbye. And then you mentioned Hilary Purdy party Hillary party or party hat is still going there to our only I think he was pretty cagey. You have these old water towers he used to have I think he that was a front for him he's pretending that he was doing is percolating up in the water and there's always some rat around spills the beans to the local church group group church group got after the then provincial police Salt Spring Island and then they closed them down take them too long to start
Unknown Speaker 1:34:33
Mr very very upright party a good man I thought that he rule or other
Unknown Speaker 1:34:46
run running? Oh,
Unknown Speaker 1:34:48
yes, yes in the harbor a little bit more.
Speaker 3 1:34:56
My mother same place The craft of girls 50 spirited and so this guy come in when hate because they were loving it and the guy looked like he had money. Anyway the craft and girls spotted this guy. He came down to Bucha row can now for supper. And he's Tux oh very dapper. And he had his supper, retire to bed and went up the next morning wondering why he just wasn't coming down for breakfast, knocking on his door and got a bit worried too. They had a passkey went in there, he was gone. What it was, he was setting up a big load of booze to be run out in Long harbor. He had these high speed cutters, as they call them for the aeroplane engineer, put on a full load over there. And those days long harbor was pretty remote. There's several other bays, and they run it across the American side there. Because the guy had come in and got his his meal and he's role free. Then took off. Put on a wonderful front
Speaker 4 1:36:21
like whiskey pointing in millbay. Yes, that was run running whiskey running whenever one of
Speaker 3 1:36:27
the big places were taught Renfrew that was really remote. There were no roads going in there in those days. Nice, small little, little cottage middles steamers, Port Renfrew. And I guess the smaller fish courts used to bring the stuff around, stockpile it there and run it right across to Clallam Bay, which is very remote in those days. And that went on for a long time. They never caught.
Speaker 5 1:36:57
And Loriot to Loney, do you remember the auto loan is on Pender? Opt Aloni Thank you. Well, Laurie acrimony apparently was a Rum Runner. Oh, yeah. He was the John's first wife. Father. Yeah. Lots of stories about him. Too bad. John
Speaker 3 1:37:22
didn't make it. Oddly enough. What am I twin sisters, Doris took her training, secretarial training. And this is coming up into the 50s well into the 50s. The two of them moved to Vancouver. And she got a job working with the head office of Lucky lager breweries. Mr Big lucky Lago there was a Mr. norgan. And yes, some tours big yacht. And he used to take all the staff Oh, once a year in summer, cruise way up Princess Louisa and back again. And anyway. eventually found out but Mr. Norton got some background on him. Yeah, that's what he did during the Depression, run running to beat a stack of money and never got caught. These not too bad. Lovely, nice. Yeah.
Speaker 1 1:38:27
In the driftwood. There's a story about my mother, Doris Cropper secretary at Lucky lager. It's it's a little article called facts, tables and foibles, probably written by B Hamilton Qc is really Jack Wasserman Sun columnist wrote, When Doris Cropper Secretary lucky lager, wrote to Ottawa for a passport she filled in the first place blank with the answer Saltspring island that came the form from Ottawa this week with this note, what country is that in? Jack Bosman went on to say Come to think of it. That's a good question. And in the same facts, fables and foibles of that day, June 15 1961, was one of our census takers had to interview two people in sleeping bags 60s early early
Unknown Speaker 1:39:32
quite a haven in those days.
Unknown Speaker 1:39:40
snippets of
Speaker 5 1:39:44
time for you are a remarkable person. Memories just Yeah, amazing.
Unknown Speaker 1:39:51
Just lucky that's
Speaker 1 1:39:54
just like see, I don't have the memory because right now I can't even remember her name and I know extremely well. Lotus Rachael Lotus. Rachael had a remarkable memory. Lotus.
Unknown Speaker 1:40:08
She had a sister. Oh, is that the mother? The mother of Gwen? Right. And the records were Finn's.
Unknown Speaker 1:40:18
That's right. Yes.
Unknown Speaker 1:40:22
And they used to make their own violins. That's
Speaker 1 1:40:24
right. And Lotus used to come on board in Ganges was the only member of her family that sit around and decide which one would be the most worst being educated Lotus one and she she never ceased to complain about the fact she didn't think that was a winning thing to do to be separated from your family go very, very early in the morning on the milk cut all the way to Ganges and board I think Dean road and to go to the high school there and get a better education than the rest of her family. But very, excellently well self educated, but she had a I love talking with her because her memory would go off in all directions. She just never ceased to remember yet. Another thing
Speaker 3 1:41:11
and Rachael there, I went down.
Speaker 4 1:41:15
Was that that was the that was the uncle. Who was that?
Speaker 3 1:41:20
Gwen, Gwen, Gwen? And you go in the lobby of that old rucklehaus like a museum terrific. The gun collector becoming Oh, yeah. Toria He's terrific. Into this gun rifles and pistols and all that sort of stuff. And he went up there and he was amazed of the collection. All right. Right. That was a very good thing that they made a deal with the provincial government and they bought it painted the place and and she was allowed to stay there. And we kept as a provincial historical site, a wonderful garden. Yeah, remember the vegetable gardens that smart? When they went in there? I believe it's almost 400 acres they had right up to the end of that valley. Right down to the salt charter.
Unknown Speaker 1:42:18
Hardworking,
Speaker 3 1:42:19
they were very remember when I was young. I used to have to butcher their own animals the beef cattle and all that as my father those hanging over there and these were the taking the hides off all the butchered steers or whatever was hanging out to dry all along the fence. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:42:46
Finish thing to do.
Speaker 1 1:42:53
Lotus of course was not finished. He was from the nice place, you know, late. Fraser, Garner member. But I asked her a question about when they went to school at Beaver point. And I said, I see from the beaver points records that they have that you were sitting right behind the man you were to Mary. And were you aware of that at all when you were a child? And she said, Oh, yes.
Unknown Speaker 1:43:26
There's all figured out.
Speaker 1 1:43:29
And then she proceeded to tell me all about the desks and I didn't have a tape recorder with me.
Unknown Speaker 1:43:37
And then there's the Garner family.
Unknown Speaker 1:43:39
Oh, god, yes. For
Speaker 3 1:43:41
me how school just Joe, just. I'll throw this in. My first day for me how horrible. This is Oxenham. She's like a sergeant major. And you will sit there and they're all doubles. The dash or double. You pull them up like that and give all your books inside. You will sit there and this lady will sit beside you. And it was Glen King, her first day of school ah. Grant she passed away a few years ago. We adopted a visitor and Courtney
Speaker 5 1:44:26
Alonso John, I should let him tell his story of his first day at Formby High School. He was just tiny because they apparently needed another child to make Oh, yeah, number. So he went before he went as Jim's twin but he was he was 14 months younger. That's why
Unknown Speaker 1:44:45
I thought they would
Speaker 5 1:44:49
try to pull the wool over there a bit. And he said he went and sat in the classroom. And Mrs. Oxenham was using dried peas to teach them how to count Oh, and she gave them all. A little grouping of dry peas, putting them on everybody's desk. And then she went to the front of class and she's talking about counting the numbers. And then she came around and John's peas were gone. And she said, What are your peace, young man? When he said
Unknown Speaker 1:45:29
he didn't know what was going on at the time he said he had no idea what was going on.
Speaker 1 1:45:38
But it was a memorably memorably confusing
Speaker 3 1:45:45
remember that fellow there little bob Shipley. He came at the same time his big brother John did. But anyway, he was a year behind, I guess, or two years behind. And I remember Bob sitting in there the first day in the classroom there, heard this little fellow that was laying his head off, he said all over the place. And as I said, Dr. Bob, we don't do that when the class is in session. You don't wish to ask him what I'm trying to teach her I laughed at him. He didn't know any different
Unknown Speaker 1:46:25
probably didn't even know he was whistling
Speaker 5 1:46:28
family of whistlers No. Weaver we all do all children. My mother. We all whistling still whistle
Speaker 1 1:46:46
together and for fun or is in just it's just a solitaries out? Yes. I would say you probably didn't even know he was doing it. And
Speaker 5 1:46:54
my my youngest brother has four girls, and he had them and he was quite a bit older. He was almost 50 And they all whistle
Speaker 3 1:47:10
two generations it used to be a big thing over that, that young if you could learn to whistle and he tried to learn to whistle and if you could, yeah, that was quite a big thing that we're very young.
Speaker 5 1:47:26
Oh, I see why they did it. Then we just picked it up. And when I was 11 years old, I knocked out my front teeth. I was launching a boat over the bell houses over and so it was on a winch and I I hooked it up at both ends and we pushed it out over the water and it had a little sort of excuse me it had a little catch thing that as the boat went down it go click click click click Yes, but I flicked it up and it didn't catch so the boat went crashing down into the water and then handle came back and hit me in the mouth and knocked out my front teeth. Which was you know, it was a drama. But the worst thing for me was that I couldn't whistle I just couldn't whistle but I did learn after that I learned to accommodate the gap. And of course I got it filled in rather quickly
Speaker 4 1:48:49
I love the story about the opposite only Olson with a sheep stopping your mother on the road know which Elson Garner
Speaker 3 1:49:00
only only only guy dad was away working at the time and were away up on the 20 acre ranch and she had dragged me into for the house one morning and is going in waves with mum down always uh yeah, I can do me a favor, is I got this. I got two sheep here. I said you got room in the back. He said I'll pull the the seat goes up like this. And I'll put the sheep in here and take it out. Take them to market when you leave them but boy it's Bob said no way. urinate in the back of the car. They got it boy. They had the gall to the devil. Did you ever read they will fly over an eagle's nest. That was a pit that when I thoroughly enjoyed that, oh yeah.
Speaker 4 1:49:57
They come at night and put his sheep in your pastures. Yeah,
Speaker 3 1:50:01
you wake up in the morning and you see 20 of his sheep in there. And he had Jimmy's way in through a gate or something like that, shove them in there and take off. And of course, I guess, I guess you couldn't snag about six of them and have the budget to send them away, because he could legally get a hold of you for stealing sheep, although he shoved them onto your things and into you this seminal bag, he did that three different times, put them onto our pasture land. So
Speaker 5 1:50:37
Ali moved to Galliano, and so did Margaret. Margaret. Oh. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Not only was a bit of a friend of my father's after my father retired,
Speaker 1 1:50:51
not the father but the Son. Ali was,
Speaker 5 1:50:55
was the father's name was wasn't spin. It was something like that.
Unknown Speaker 1:51:00
Your father? You said his friend.
Speaker 5 1:51:06
I don't know. It was something. I know Joe and Ollie and Margaret. Oh, yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:51:15
Yeah. Big Family. Family. Yes.
Unknown Speaker 1:51:18
Those are the only ones that
Speaker 1 1:51:20
gosh, I can't remember them. The I just think of Margaret and Joe because they were the divide.
Speaker 3 1:51:27
Remember? Yeah. The mother. When I was born, Dr. Eva Sutherland brought me into the world. And she looked after Mrs. Garner when she had these children after children after. And she told us she said she nearly died when the last one arrived. And she said you're to have no more children. She said, Because you do. Chances are you and the child are most likely die leaving the other children. Yeah. So only was running around. He loved his own life. You I think they all lived in the big Garner house there, but that's the way it has to be. And anyway, I remember her read the book and I saw the picture of her the mother when they first came up to Canada. That has to head on.
Speaker 1 1:52:29
Again, I don't remember. That
Unknown Speaker 1:52:32
was a hub digger. I
Unknown Speaker 1:52:36
don't think I had it seemed to have noticed it. But anyway.
Speaker 3 1:52:41
A friend of mine, the camera clip EU of the gardeners and what else was about? Yeah, and his lifelong friend was sit and said retired and was doing volunteer work in a nursing home or nursing facility around yellow point. And one of the last fellows he looked after in there was Joe Garner. He had moved from
Speaker 4 1:53:14
may go up to Courtney cinnabar.
Speaker 3 1:53:17
Ranch cinnabar Ranch was outside in Nanaimo in there somewhere. And I seen an aerial view. It was a pretty nice looking ranch too.
Speaker 3 1:53:40
Yeah, he was a character and a half, and I go back to Monterey of your school. Some of the guys get together once a year. We men mentioned I mentioned about this Jolkona because I recognize this fellow's name.
Speaker 3 1:54:06
His father was Hagar, Stewart Hagar, Hagar investments in Victoria. And I was talking to this guy. I forget what his name was. His father's name was Stuart Hager. And I said, Well, I recognize you used to go past our old place, and we're going to be an avenue when you go to school and Margaret Jenkins. And he says, Oh, yeah. They said, your father was a really good friend of Joe Garner. And I said, you know, He's quite a character. After I roll back in his head. Joe got it. Oh, he was a rough diamond. Yeah, he was highly entertaining, but what would you call that? We used to write in the colonist, the author out
Speaker 1 1:55:07
the one the one who lived on top to bring in at the end of Blackburn road up.
Speaker 3 1:55:12
You know, not not him, not him
Unknown Speaker 1:55:23
Hutchison
Unknown Speaker 1:55:23
Oh Bruce had Bruce
Speaker 3 1:55:27
Bruce Hutchison got ahold of that book, Devil fly over an eagle's nest. And he said, you know, he'd been around, he'd written a lot of books that he said I couldn't put that book down. I stayed up till three o'clock in the morning to finish it. He said, you might have been a pretty rough guy, but tell us the raw material. It was very, very good.
Unknown Speaker 1:55:53
He wrote more
Speaker 1 1:55:55
people called never fly or logging. Lots of lots of them have sought to bring in them because everyone remembers his childhood and off he goes and they're quite embroidered from time to time. Yeah, hello.
Speaker 5 1:56:16
Fine, how are you? Good. Oh, good. You kind of wonderful afternoon. And you haven't met DJ?
Unknown Speaker 1:56:34
Thanks. Oh. Wandering around all over the
Speaker 5 1:56:43
tea. I'm sure if you still have fun in the pie. Okay, do pretty sure. Everyone would anybody else likes life,
Speaker 3 1:56:57
buddy? Thanks. Yeah. Are you from Saltspring? Now,
Speaker 5 1:57:02
but no, yeah, yeah. No, I grew up in Ontario. Oh, I
Unknown Speaker 1:57:06
see. Quite a way away.
Speaker 2 1:57:08
Now. The refugee from eastern Canada. Oh, yeah. Grow up.
Unknown Speaker 1:57:13
I didn't think of you as growing up. 21 year old you
Speaker 2 1:57:21
didn't know that. She? She claims that she grew up in Ontario.
Speaker 1 1:57:27
I don't think she did either. Right. So tell me begin Frank. Did I begin in Germany? In Germany? Okay. And that's why your sister is in Germany. Yeah. Because she stayed where she began. Yeah. Okay. I'd assume she moved there.
Speaker 4 1:57:48
Frank reminds me of Manfred. We have German friends in Vancouver. Burnaby. And
Speaker 3 1:57:55
Fred Fred Frank. Manfred Frank. He's, he's from Germany. He's from Germany. Originally East Germany. That's Christian as Christians. Yeah. That's Christian. Another fan? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 1:58:11
I mean, it's Germany.
Speaker 3 1:58:12
Yeah. Mantra is structural steel engineer. And they've worked with a huge outfit. And finishing off the the big bridge patello bridges. Huge thing there. And one of his jobs before that they finished was The addition to the new convention center and waterfront in Vancouver. And he said, you know, he said they put 20,000 tons of structural steel into that place. And he one of his jobs was to make sure that the supplier wasn't fiddling the padding the books, and making it more expensive for that should be pretty sure boy, very nice people.
Speaker 4 1:59:01
Also a singer his wife is German too but she's from South Africa. And her mother was from Namibia, Southwest Africa and those days.
Unknown Speaker 1:59:11
What do they call the choir
Speaker 4 1:59:18
we don't listen to them when they have the the best
Speaker 3 1:59:23
Pacific Northwest and all the choir and choir session all the German choirs from British Columbia, Alberta, Washington, Oregon and all that the the different every year. And the last year was Kelowna and the other one that you Vic in Victoria, we went to that one. And they put on a big, big effort. Not really nice. Good thing I can't
Speaker 4 1:59:50
remember the name of the choir. But the wonderful thing is, he plays a guitar as well Manfred plus
Unknown Speaker 2:00:00
Are you going to this?
Speaker 4 2:00:01
No, we've been to several I was just saying to altho that Frank reminds me of our friend, Manfred. And then and his it's Manford. Frank
Unknown Speaker 2:00:15
with a nice voice.
Unknown Speaker 2:00:16
Yeah. What have you got?
Speaker 5 2:00:19
I just had a picture of John. Yeah, kind of fine, but you can't see very well in the in the day night. But anyway, he. I do have a few pictures of him.
Speaker 1 2:00:32
So I do have a question for for John. And for you, which is about the borders who looked after them? Did they get fed by your family?
Speaker 3 2:00:43
Oh, yes. They have to be. I don't know. I can't remember the laundry have been done for them. They probably just mail lunch was a hot meal. And anybody else in the school who like to pay 25 cents. Okay. Did that. And yeah, they were looked after. And then Friday night, parents would pick them up and go,
Speaker 4 2:01:09
because I said, so how many bathrooms did you have in your house? Probably only one. I said did these cuz they were a family of five. So where did these kids wash the borders down to the creek? No, no, you said that was a big trouble or something.
Speaker 3 2:01:31
Oh, the kids would come up there. hang their hat in the coat and leave the muddy boots if necessary. Yes. And if you're out playing during the day and playing soccer or anything else, great big bass in there. Bar Soap and some water cold water. You washed up there and that was that. And there's one of these little airtight heaters to get some heat into the place. But no house but there was a Earth Earth out house for the boys over there. And the girls on the other side of the family use the flush one. Oh, the end of the boot boot. Room. Enclosed not in the boot. I wanted these old fashioned ones. The chain pull it down to get there work very well.
Unknown Speaker 2:02:28
You said a creek was the creek.
Speaker 3 2:02:30
Oh yeah. This one came from Rainbow Road. Right down rainbow row. It
Speaker 1 2:02:38
is the creek. The children. The children in the elementary school now make signs that says this is Ganges Creek. It is not a ditch.
Speaker 2 2:02:49
Do you remember where it went? From? I guess there's a gas station now or
Unknown Speaker 2:02:56
how did it negotiate the corner
Speaker 3 2:03:00
came through Cartwright's property, right across Rainbow Road, right through that creek and right through one of the far apple orchard. Rainbow roads here. And Mike Phillips. No Jackson, Jackson. orchard here. It comes in behind it. And there was a bridge and went right through there underneath Anderson's bakery. And then right on up through where the big place was today. They're having selling all this stuff there. The other one went through Rainbow Road. fierce eyes, one, two, and the right diagonally right through our farmhouse property right through the middle of it. And it came out right where the art spring is now there's a bridge. Yes, yes. It comes right through there that comes right through for me as property from away at the end of Rainbow Road,
Unknown Speaker 2:03:57
which was Cartwright's property.
Speaker 3 2:04:02
You know where the consolidated school is? Yeah, it's southwest of that right across there used to be a road going up to their house there and
Speaker 1 2:04:24
I'm disoriented as to what's on opposite each other on the side. It's no it's it's further up and
Speaker 3 2:04:34
might not still be standing. I couldn't be sure. I didn't know that it's for still stay used to the way and was. Cartwright used to work for Lord brothers and they had a son or daughter the son. He was in pubs with me. Laurie as he married a tiny little, she looked like she was about 90 Barely 90 pounds. She's from Wales. They had seven children. I seen and they were living in Calgary and he came out to one of these reunions every five years. So you look familiar. Laurie is always pretty sturdy. Great big pine on him like that and a big step white Stetson gallon hat. Everything like that. And he said, Oh looking like a million dollars. He's a great wife and his little wife my wife, she was about a quarter of the size of Lori
Speaker 5 2:05:40
cream milk please No, thank you I bet you Alpha Would you like some more? Oh take barely a half any more milk that's it. That's good like a whiskey
Unknown Speaker 2:06:10
you come from Germany. Yeah. What part what city was
Unknown Speaker 2:06:14
born in Berlin but
Speaker 3 2:06:21
Oh, I see. The various lovely north or south. That was very beautiful part of the country.
Unknown Speaker 2:06:37
We've been enjoying When
Speaker 3 2:06:38
did you when did you come out? Oh, I see. Yeah. What did you do to earn a living?
Unknown Speaker 2:06:47
No. You name it.
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Jack of all trades.
Speaker 1 2:06:56
But he's a webmaster now. Good. We've still Had he ever is he wonderful?
Unknown Speaker 2:07:03
Real brain. I
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know I'm sitting on it
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transformed the archives. It's wonderful.
Speaker 5 2:07:15
Yeah, I'll see. Ya, he's managed to get a lot of people very excited about saving Saltspring history. Good.
Unknown Speaker 2:07:25
That's important.
Speaker 3 2:07:28
You know, bull part. Four part on the Rhine River. all by heart. Yeah. Yeah, I stayed there for a night has a beautiful little town. And what's the other place? I don't have a big Heidelberg. I don't I surprise a walk through Heidelberg. Looking around it's not that big a place got a beautiful bridge with towers on each end of it there to get taken up to this winery. Why wine Stuber and went up there and they sold the biggest supposedly because they the supposedly the biggest wine cask or barrel in the world. They actually it was ascending up like this and a top there's enough room six people got up there and danced the top of this 800,000 liters or something like that. And it's amazing. Come back into town. What's that doing in there? No showroom, John Deere tractors doing here said only import all sorts of American stuff. But this is in Heidelberg.
Unknown Speaker 2:08:48
I know what I need to do what? Get my camera. Talking
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Books brownie.
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How long have you lived on my
Speaker 3 2:09:00
first 2000 Camera interested ever since I got out of school interested in photography. Learn how to develop my own films. When I have a used icon, Ico flights twin Lens Reflex. medium format. had that for years. Built like a battleship. Always solidly built by a friend Frank before you're one of those fancy women. I
Speaker 1 2:09:34
see one another bloom was I loved your school's website. I
Speaker 4 2:09:41
loved it. Yeah. Oh, it's camera time. Yeah, goodness. Well,
Speaker 5 2:09:48
if you get a chance to listen to some of the interviews that are on the internet. It's nice to have a photograph to go. If you allow us to do She'll probably edit this somewhat or Yeah, I think yeah then put these pictures with it
Unknown Speaker 2:10:11
maybe you should better be a good one. Yeah, you're probably right
Unknown Speaker 2:10:15
yeah well certainly
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you're married to some spring
Speaker 4 2:10:25
he brought me here in 1970 Oh to visit and I had to do long head Dexys lessons we came we brought the axes over because I remember the picture of a sitting waiting for the ferry at forefoot Yeah. And it was a two taxis. Yeah, wasn't that wasn't it and seven
Speaker 3 2:10:45
that time we went to Rocco park in the middle of winter and built a big fire in that fire pit.
Speaker 4 2:10:52
Well, yeah, we did that with my mother. One time Well, that was a long time
Unknown Speaker 2:10:57
Yeah. Wonderful.
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Lovely for us. To to
Speaker 3 2:11:07
Whitehorse in in the Lake District. That's in going into Austria. Yes. Austria German. Very important. Is the White Horse in the Lake District. That beautiful in there. Nice. Oh, lovely.
Unknown Speaker 2:11:28
After Tamil country
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whose country? Oh alpha,
Speaker 1 2:11:32
alpha tempo painted the murals in harbor house. Oh.
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Currently
Speaker 1 2:11:40
19 Seven T 201 or two or three somewhere in there. I've forgotten that definitely. Yeah. And he has for me sadly died. is a gentleman a lovely man. But his murals are stunning. I just I love the whole story. Because in Hobhouse the murals tell the history of Saltspring Island
Unknown Speaker 2:12:08
yeah we stayed there we stay
Unknown Speaker 2:12:15
upstairs the old pictures Yeah,
Speaker 1 2:12:17
no, they were destroyed because harbor house keeps getting sold and re bought and sold and reboard and every owner isn't off island until now. And now we've got John who isn't Jack Jack Woodward. But, but it's still changing anyway. Yeah. But somebody just you know, they just got rid of the murals. That's too bad. In fact, there's one quote what was the quote? Got enough of you've got enough of Saltspring scenery outside I think what we need here is some prairie views I wasn't here to see what that ended in but lots of them by and very soon go
Unknown Speaker 2:13:08
have some old panels. I
Speaker 1 2:13:10
I discovered them I don't have them. Oh, farms Institute now has them and they're drying out because they had to dry out because I couldn't find a home for them. That was quite exciting. Yes. For for years and years and years. I only knew of one and I didn't even know that it was a series of panels because it's any be Hamilton's book. And it's the picture of John Craven Jones is black and white photograph. And John Craven Jones was the first teacher and he was a black man and the alphabet little ditties along with lots of his little scenes that he did for his girls. So I love that picture. But I didn't know that there were many more and the caption be just put in one of Saltspring Island pubs. She didn't say Hobhouse. Then I I heard about the the murals from a wife who was constantly dragged there for her husband to drink and smoke along with everybody else who was drinking smoking. She didn't drink and smoke. So what she did was go and study the murals. And she said you couldn't see them from across the room through the haze.
Speaker 3 2:14:29
That was the famous I was about the only watering hole. Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 1 2:14:34
And it acquired the wonderful name horrible house in the 80s. Yeah. And my favorite is, do you know Jack, Dan, Jason at all. Do you know him personally?
Unknown Speaker 2:14:46
He's a guy.
Speaker 1 2:14:49
He's got seats and everything. Well, he's he's basically a teetotaler, but he was a bomb. He was the bartender at the heart of the house for somebody years, and he wrote many song about what he saw there. rip roaring songs, you'd have thought that
Unknown Speaker 2:15:10
you could write a book about where you saw them.
Unknown Speaker 2:15:12
Oh, yeah. Very much so.
Speaker 3 2:15:19
They might be kind of rough some of them but yeah, very good that they come out. Yes. highly entertaining. Yes. And it's trapped.
Speaker 1 2:15:27
Yes. The woman had her rode her horse in to the pub because it was thirsty and they gave it some beer and enjoyed it. And many, many, many more. As as Dan told me, Oh, there's a rare event. It wasn't blood running on the floor. But this was the makeup of Salt Spring and he's describing to me how you've got all these clicks, but it's the only watering hole. So all the enemies are drinking together. What do you expect that in blood on the floor? But and yeah, there was the hippies with with their drugs there was that. The motorbike gangs who was selling the drugs, there was the old people of Saltspring Island who just always been there in summer put up with almost lot with the Redneck loggers who would get into fights with the tree huggers. And then, as Dan said, and then there were the women, nothing like women on sort of drinking and entertainment. So you're
Speaker 3 2:16:40
saying that there's always a floor show about 10 o'clock or 1011 every night? And no one else was ever in any way. There's always a lot of activity. Yes. Throw beer around. Yes. Then the fun started a few fistfights and
Speaker 1 2:17:04
the telephones from Billy ink. Oh, did you know filling in the cook at Harbor
Unknown Speaker 2:17:11
I'd heard about
Speaker 1 2:17:16
what a splendid character of the opposite sorts and we're talking about
Speaker 3 2:17:23
federal I know my Gregor McIntosh. He was there with a buddy of his and Billy gang. And they had a summer job. They're appealing potatoes. Oh yes. In the kitchen. All that sort of stuff there. And Greg spotted Billy Aang they're one of the reunions we have sort of stuff and they used to have in their spare time used to pay play an awful lot of poker and he spotted Billy way over there and went like this Greg did and he said that Billy face just lit right up oh yeah so rare characters up there. Yeah.
Speaker 5 2:18:15
So for me house I don't quite understand it was a private schools. The families pay for each student is that yes.
Unknown Speaker 2:18:23
Yeah. That's right.
Speaker 5 2:18:28
That must have been Joe McCall. For some years.
Unknown Speaker 2:18:31
I was gonna say some of them couldn't pay cuz they
Speaker 3 2:18:35
were daily because before we got Rosie the cow from Mirsad farm. They had two children there John and Ruth. And they might have been having a little bit of trouble getting enough money together to pay their fee. So before we got Rosie, we had two courts every morning dropped about the front gate there and that helped alleviate that. And I have a hunch that both the whole Sydney hall here Heather and for a little while Ronnie came to the school as well. And I have a hunch there was maybe a deal done within your between him and dad and that's why we got Daisy that jersey, huh? A lot of bartering going on there. I guess. And then when they used to have quite a few years to have a hot lunch there used to get Joe royal there was the royal family now betters road and always get a great big rose from him. Massive big thing. I guess there is it lasts maybe three days, but you could just get it in the oven. So you didn't have anybody going there. But anyway, maybe
Speaker 1 2:20:04
he was paying through a third party. Somebody whose children are going to the school. Yeah, this is the story of the Saltspring Center School and it's beginning the things that I got paid in fees. Really? Oh yes, I got an awful lot of yarn that was spun and hand dyed. And I never did anything with it. I just accepted it. And I got meals and I got clothing handed down to me. Oh my god. And rides just an I ended up feeling like this is better than a salary. Really well.
Speaker 3 2:20:46
Sorry, that is because teachers even in the public schools, they didn't get very much in the way of pay they can just get by Yes.
Unknown Speaker 2:20:57
That's That's, yeah.
Speaker 2 2:20:58
Tell me Mirsad farm. We're worries that wasn't done by Ford Lake. Is
Speaker 3 2:21:05
for length. We'll used to call it prices late. Because there was Harold and REG price and Mrs. Price. The VA was there 400 acres, and it was Ford F O rd.
Speaker 1 2:21:19
I think all of you should come back in March around Ganges with placards saying how to spell things around
Speaker 3 2:21:28
we airside course I believe that was. I'm not too sure where that name came from, I think from England, I think or something like that. But Formby house was named after the Formby sands out just outside of Liverpool. Don't go there quicksands. To name for house. I mean for school. Very, very odd. It was terrible. My dad was a youngster in school at the time. And they went out there during a break. And they saw this old fellow these two girls, they're low tight. I don't know what they're doing picking up clubs. And he went too close to these quick sounds. And he saw the cart the fellow and his horse right down into Oh, that was a form based sense.
Speaker 1 2:22:31
And then he names his did he Oh, he didn't name the school it was it?
Speaker 3 2:22:36
I don't know. named it. oxygen, oxygen. Oxygen was it but I don't know whether it was oxygen or Tolson that named at Formby house. I couldn't be sure.
Unknown Speaker 2:22:47
I didn't Coulson did.
Unknown Speaker 2:22:51
I think he maybe it was oxygen.
Speaker 1 2:22:54
It was it was Miss Miss Ashton who started the school. That's Mrs. Oxygen. Yes, that's right. So she started the school and then rapidly decided that forget that she's going to get a teacher she advertised in Britain for a teacher Oh yes. Okay Mr. Oxenham and then they
Speaker 3 2:23:15
they seem to get along quite well together they had a daughter Yes. Get married
Speaker 5 2:23:21
is nothing sketchy. Oh no. Look at the big frayed or there's a lot No, that wasn't the best No. Oh, that was somebody Oh Okay big ones a really big one this way I've never seen one so big one of them I was coming down from wardrobe They're huge. So what's what's today
Speaker 2 2:23:45
somebody out there with a big voice a big chair? Yes.
Speaker 3 2:23:54
You need an air horn. Yeah, and I searched late for the dark
Speaker 1 2:24:02
yeah Frank racist the cars up Rainbow Road.
Unknown Speaker 2:24:06
Oh, I see.
Unknown Speaker 2:24:13
Morning
Speaker 5 2:24:19
Oh, not from Yeah. So do you have any tricks how to deal with a nest of hornets?
Speaker 1 2:24:29
Oh, yes this afternoon? Away from I
Unknown Speaker 2:24:35
don't know Yeah,
Speaker 5 2:24:36
I do and it's helped by the truck and Mike was coming today to help me get the truck started. Oh man. He's just he. I know better than to have him come today until I deal with it. Yeah, yes. Wait
Unknown Speaker 2:24:51
till after dark and then spread
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out there and they're still there.
Speaker 3 2:24:59
They should you We just had a new roof on our house millbay There. And we told them about because we had this young fellow that does the heavy work. And he was going on cleaning the gutters out. He said, You got to beat us in the, you know, you see them coming in and out, and 15 feet down. You got a black hornet's nest. I said, Well, we'll have to tell the gang when they come around to put the new roof on. We told them, they said, Oh, don't worry about that. You got one of the big aerosol bear spray. Give it one shot. The lifted the whole thing out and put it up in the compost.
Unknown Speaker 2:25:37
sprayer winder.
Speaker 3 2:25:38
That's pretty powerful stuff. Yeah. Well, I
Speaker 5 2:25:41
know the the Wasp spray that I used last night. It's some kind of petroleum based you can smell it.
Unknown Speaker 2:25:51
Yeah. Oh, yeah. But it didn't do
Speaker 5 2:25:53
the actually. Even though I came out at 4am they were still Oh, really? Oh, really. And so then of course, I gave it a spray. And they started so I
Speaker 3 2:26:07
ran around. Trouble is when you do that you get the mad. They'll really come after you.
Speaker 5 2:26:16
After you. Yeah. Yeah, it was the first time I'd ever been stung. When attacked me as a rule, you know they're there. Yep, so something just came at me.
Speaker 3 2:26:35
Oh, the other thing we had trouble with foamy house when some of the fruit started dropping, to get a certain type of Wasp, or B, it would black and white. And they were about twice the size of the the ordinary yellow jackets. And they used to go down and feed on all the drop fruit. And then of course there twice there. I noticed we had our cows got out, they got into the orchard and started eating us and they and they get a was one of these big guns and the cinema on that once on that Rosie got it on the tongue, the other one on the inside of the cheek. And the poor things. You can't get near them because they're so upset. So it takes about a day for them to get rid of this sting.
Unknown Speaker 2:27:22
Yeah, the swelling to go down. Yes, I
Speaker 3 2:27:25
know. Because you got to get that Stinger out. But you couldn't do it with them. Yeah, but anyway, they survived. But anyway, sounds
Speaker 1 2:27:34
like you were quite fond of Rosie and Daisy, Rosie anyway,
Speaker 3 2:27:38
try to find it. Try to find a picture Muriel's got nothing but a reproduction picture of myself and the twins. And Rosie or the Bighorn sitting right up behind us. Up near the front by a picture I did. Yeah. Maybe you hang on. I might get
Unknown Speaker 2:28:04
enough stories about Rosie
Speaker 3 2:28:08
because that time I was about seven years old. We had bought data via Rosie from price brothers or Ford Lake prices leak we call it in the summertime and we put a rope around Rosie's neck, Dad and I watch her five miles all the way to Ganges a for me has no trouble at all. Inside you just like a dog.
Unknown Speaker 2:28:38
Jessie cow used to say
Speaker 3 2:28:45
was Daisy and Daisy had crooked horns. All right? Beachwood. Ugly, but she was the one that gave the cream that far down the court bottle there was orange a heavy thick cream. Fabulous. Then the kids used to go into the kitchen. They're in recess and get the paddles and make the butter balls. Yeah,
Speaker 5 2:29:13
well, they had they were churning butter at the old was it the old timers of the heritage day? It was good.
Speaker 3 2:29:23
Billy straight out. Billy Billy scones and Margie I think it was. What did they do? Yeah. Don't throw out that buttermilk because he didn't drink he buttermilk. And they drink a whole tumbler each with his buttermilk. And they used to enrich us do the old churn and all that until the butter got solid. Pour the buttermilk out and they would drink it. And the other kids who get these butter Pat's squeezed the milk in the water out of it and make little squares and little butter balls and all the rest of it. Let's have fun school days.
Speaker 1 2:30:01
For me, that was my home life. All the butter that came well, I don't know whether it was all a bit but certainly around the area that I lived in the Waikato district in New Zealand, and butter that went up to feed the Commonwealth from New Zealand to feed the Commonwealth made by children at the kitchen table. Oh, yes, yeah, we had the wooden paddles to make them into the shape and everything. And we also had the wooden one with the fern on it. Make it
Unknown Speaker 2:30:30
easy. Yeah. Oh, yes. Yeah.
Speaker 1 2:30:33
And it was, it was adults who wrapped it up in those kinds of quacks, people. were
Speaker 3 2:30:38
quite surprised that last time did you know down in New Zealand that people can't make as much money out of raising sheep now as they can out of milk cows, because they got a process now where they put it into powder and exported to Southeast Asia in India, by the boatload really? Oh, yes. A lot of them are going into nearly 70 million album.
Speaker 5 2:31:08
My brother must have the right one. But we have pictures of mum and bill with a Jersey cow when they lived here. But I thought it was this album and it's not just once later.
Unknown Speaker 2:31:23
That was Betsy wasn't it?
Speaker 5 2:31:27
Yeah, no, it's not. These are after, after my parents were married. All of these so I guess my brother has their online No. And Galliano. museum.ca Yeah. And there's a link to that on the salt website. You're looking to schools. You might see some old pictures. Yeah.
Speaker 3 2:31:52
What did John do? What did he do for a living? Yeah,
Speaker 5 2:31:55
he was a logger. And then he still working. He has an excavator business. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he has his dump trucks and his all his toys.
Unknown Speaker 2:32:13
Retired last week.
Unknown Speaker 2:32:16
For the first time. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 2:32:20
Oh, yeah. I saw one of your
Unknown Speaker 2:32:23
brother. One of my uncle's Oh,
Speaker 3 2:32:26
cool. So I should say, Time Warp their work for a while logging on Main was probably John.
Speaker 5 2:32:35
And he married. And Dr. Looney from Pender had three children and then he was married again to any bow back. I don't know if you remember?
Speaker 3 2:32:52
No. They lived on when
Speaker 5 2:32:56
the pull backs were an old family. And I think they were in Victoria, actually. Is her first thing, her maiden name. Just it's Molly bow back and she's a very famous painter. She and her husband Bruno. Yeah. And her mother's name. She lived on Galliano too, but anyway, he was married twice.
Speaker 3 2:33:26
Oh, yeah. I seen him not this last time this summer, but the time before five years ago a little over five years ago. And I seen John then look in pretty good shape. Yeah.
Speaker 2 2:33:49
Another question I have is where was that big lager Jack Jacques in millbay? Or is he still around culture of a big blogger
Unknown Speaker 2:34:08
Oh, no.
Speaker 4 2:34:10
You know where it is? If it's the same one on Chapman used to be was like about 1010 feet tall. I don't know if it's still a you know, when you walk from like you were doing the other day from the church was one of the in one of those properties. I used to see it there. Oh, yeah. It's Cobble Hill, um, Chapman road. Yes.
Speaker 2 2:34:38
I thought it was new Bay, but I don't watch it closely.
Unknown Speaker 2:34:42
Very close to it. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 2:34:46
Yeah, I remember seeing a log lager. No, and that was a big thing. Yeah, I haven't seen it for a while. On
Speaker 3 2:34:57
a private property. Yeah. Oh, is progress oh I see in amongst the trees yeah,
Unknown Speaker 2:35:03
maybe still where I could be. Next
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time I can't recall it.
Speaker 5 2:35:09
So So yeah, what did you do in your work life? Oh
Unknown Speaker 2:35:13
are you citing work for Safeway?
Speaker 3 2:35:26
Well actually, it was McDonald's consolidated, which is a wholesale distribution for all Safeway stores. And a lot of the independent trade we picked up to including at one time Saltspring trading, and then it was various places on the Island Reserve. Yes, grocery was one of them. Patterson's and Fulford and all the way up Vancouver Island, all independent stores as well as Safeway. So after 36 years of that, I packed it in
Speaker 1 2:36:02
Wow, you've stayed in? That's called loyalty.
Unknown Speaker 2:36:08
No, it means putting bread on the table
Speaker 3 2:36:16
so Do you have children? No, we don't have very late in life
Unknown Speaker 2:36:25
this is really wonderful.
Speaker 1 2:36:28
Yes, I'll have to read that. I might even have a question or two. Correct. Can
Unknown Speaker 2:36:35
I get it together
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for tomorrow sometime?
Unknown Speaker 2:36:38
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 2:36:39
I wonder if I guess Yeah, so and
Speaker 2 2:36:45
so if I don't get it together, is that a possibility to mail them back? Or shall we
Unknown Speaker 2:36:52
address are you talking about us
Speaker 3 2:37:00
keeping you here Yeah. Well, you rush you need a little bit of time to get together. Yeah. Too much in a hurry and make a mess out of it.
Unknown Speaker 2:37:11
I'd say you know, hang on to
Speaker 3 2:37:16
the back of inch hang on as long as you want and then next time we come in next time we'll come over we can pick it up come and say oh
Unknown Speaker 2:37:25
well no
Speaker 3 2:37:28
and then of course if you got you said like if we're on the internet something like that any you're more information or questions you want answered? We can get them all straight? No.
Speaker 5 2:37:41
Do you have any problem with the pictures and descriptions being on the internet for everyone to look at?
Unknown Speaker 2:37:50
I don't think so. I got nothing tied jailbird?
Unknown Speaker 2:37:57
Well, normally I'd get you to sign a form that I don't know have that form with
Speaker 3 2:38:05
you as you mentioned there. Maybe next time you get signed up it's a release form. Yes,
Speaker 5 2:38:14
I do. It's just not quite the right one. Lucia I think you you put this form together.
Speaker 1 2:38:22
Yes. When I did my course. So it's all very proper.
Speaker 5 2:38:25
Is it all proper? We do not hear from you by me write the date in we will assume that we have permission for including your interest rate on our website is the interview. Yes. You can of course change your permission status at any time if you have any questions. So how about that? About that? That's the interview that little thing of you saying they're
Speaker 1 2:39:02
nicely phrased. I shall I shall quote you. You need permission for me to quote you. I shall always credit you
Speaker 5 2:39:13
for that's wonderful. All right. All right. I think that's all we really need. If you do give permission for internet access this is about having your photo linked to the interview. So you're alright with that. Yeah. Okay, that's good. No, I think that this is all we need. Yeah.
Speaker 2 2:39:45
Don't move. Head is in the shade now. So I need another picture without something on his head.
Unknown Speaker 2:39:56
On my stomach Oh
Unknown Speaker 2:40:06
shady lady turned out it didn't get any film in your camera
Unknown Speaker 2:40:22
yeah things are changing every bloody weekend
Unknown Speaker 2:40:30
yeah they're getting up to a limit still not up to the quality of photos 100 years ago
Unknown Speaker 2:40:46
not enough yellow and brown in yeah okay it's been very nice thank you very much Thank you so much
Unknown Speaker 2:41:04
do you think we'll have a chance to get a stand up photo
Speaker 1 2:41:16
a gathering together just the two of them yes yeah yeah
Unknown Speaker 2:41:25
you're gonna have this in the background this
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equally yeah and
Unknown Speaker 2:41:38
the whales you want to get in the big picture yeah that's right
Unknown Speaker 2:42:07
you bill we'll send you a link
Speaker 1 2:42:44
Yes, very nice meeting you. Thank you. I
Unknown Speaker 2:42:47
hope I gave you enough information.
Speaker 1 2:42:49
I might just email more
Unknown Speaker 2:42:52
Oh yeah sure.ca
Speaker 1 2:42:58
Very simple and I'm also at Saltspring dot though that's always forgotten
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to love lovely yeah
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yeah bye bye
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okay
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